From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #419 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, December 5 2002 Volume 02 : Number 419 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] plexi baffles [Dana Paoli ] [loud-fans] a question from the dark ages ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] plexi baffles [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] plexi baffles while rome burns [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] i love our president ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] i love our president ["Michael Zwirn" ] [loud-fans] gangs of new spork [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] plexi baffles [Bill Silvers ] [loud-fans] sammy again (ns) [Dana Paoli ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:38:26 -0500 From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] plexi baffles Try http://www.etymotic.com/ The ER-20's are relatively inexpensive and should suit you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And while you're there, check out their earphones, which remain my favorite music-related purchase of the last 5 years. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 08:59:45 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: [loud-fans] a question from the dark ages Can anyone recommend an online music store that still sells cassettes? I'm looking specifically for children's music. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 08:57:25 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Interracial love songs At 07:38 PM 12/3/2002 -0500, John Sharples wrote: >Quoting John F Butland : > >> Well, "young girl" was certainly the way that Bob Dylan was singing it >> throughout his fall tour. > >The lyrics (original version) alternate between "young girl" and "black >girl" - >the radio edit probably uses "young girl" every time, Exactly. And at the Stones show, I heard "young girl" every time as per the radio edit. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 09:24:21 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] plexi baffles while rome burns At 05:42 PM 12/3/2002 -0500, Stewart Mason wrote: >NP: ABC MUSIC -- Stereolab (recommended for fans -- there's enough >differences between these BBC sessions and the studio takes to make them >interesting, and there's some nice versions of lesser-known songs like my >personal all-time favorite Stereolab song, "Brigitte" -- but nothing that >will make Miles change his mind) Not that Stewart didn't try several years ago with what I take to be a well-chosen Stereolab comp. Liked the Velvetsy influence, hated the loungy sections, can't have one without the other. Speaking of things about which Stewart and I disagree, I saw a big chunk of the Learning Channel's CHANGING ROOMS Thanksgiving Day marathon. Maybe those weren't the eight or nine most sterling episodes of the BBC's series, but I didn't see anything that made me think that it was any better (or worse) than its American offspring, TRADING SPACES. IMO, CHANGING ROOMS had about the same ratio of yeeech!::wow! However, based on the fragmentary evidence I've gathered from discussions with my fellow Loud-Fans, I suspect that taste in decorating varies far more widely than taste in music or film. It is worth noting, I think, that (based on this admittedly small sample, though each hour of CHANGING ROOMS blows through two sets of neighbors, so it's twice the designers and remodels per hour) I'd rank the CHANGING ROOMS designers in about the same order Stewart had them, despite our conflicting opinions about the relative merits of the UK and US versions of the show. I also had no idea that paint was so thick in the UK -- as Geneveive said on the "TRADING SPACES goes to London" episode, "it's like pudding." And while I'm mentioning TRADING SPACES, I would like to extend an apology on behalf of all citizens of the United States to all citizens of the U.K. for the awful, bitchy, mean-spirited American women that Hildi and Genevieve got stuck with on that "TRADING SPACES goes to London" episode. Nevertheless, I hope these two women are not readmitted on this side of the Atlantic. Run, Murray, run! later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:15:11 +0000 From: "Brendan Curry" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] plexi baffles >Jenny Grover wrote: > >>My trouble is not only in finding earplugs that work without blocking >>out too much, but also ones that stay put. I have very small ear >>openings, and one rejects plugs more than the other. Some of the >>collapsible foam ones stay in, but others creep out, and all block too >>much. I tend to wear them for opening bands and take them out for the >>headliner (or whatever band I most came to see). I got a different kind >>recently (Rock and Roll Hear-os) that don't block out the sound as much, >>but also afford only minimal protection, and one of them won't stay in >>place. I still ended up taking them out for the headlining band. I >>want to protect my hearing, but I also want to hear what the band >>actually sounds like. The way most plugs I've tried sound, I might as >>well just stick my fingers in my ears. then Bill Silvers wrot: >Try http://www.etymotic.com/ > >The ER-20's are relatively inexpensive and should suit you. > >b.s. I say: ER-20s are often available in music gear shops but are usually re-branded under the HEAROS name. I've seen a ton of what look to be ER-20s under a myriad of brands, but HEAROS is the only one that Etymotic officially acknowledges (http://www.etymotic.com/pnd/er20distributors.html). Brendan _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 10:39:06 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] plexi baffles At 04:15 PM 12/4/2002 +0000, Brendan Curry wrote: >ER-20s are often available in music gear shops but are usually re-branded >under the HEAROS name. I've seen a ton of what look to be ER-20s under a >myriad of brands, but HEAROS is the only one that Etymotic officially >acknowledges (http://www.etymotic.com/pnd/er20distributors.html). Yeah, after Bill Silvers' post, I had a look at the Etymotic webpage and realized that I'd been wearing the ER-20s in their Hearos guise for years. I had to order them straight from the Hearos company, though -- I've never seen a pair in, say, Walgreen's, though all of the other Hearos variants have appeared there over the years, including the Rock and Roll Hearos that Jen mentions. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:27:33 -0800 From: "me" Subject: [loud-fans] i love our president bush, in all his wisdom, he decreed that there is a new TLD (like .com, .net, .org, .biz) - .kids. i hope he has a crew of engineers to build his very own registry and set up a registrar for the thing (two crews, actully, because the feds already made it illegal to own both the registry and the registrar). and i hope he realizes that you can't just sign technology into existence. it took a long time to set up .biz and .info - if .kids ever exists, it will be after he's gone. at least it was good for a hearty belly laugh on the way to work. farking idjit. next maybe he'll decree that all security sceeners be psychic. i love that guy. - -- It's well known that if you take a lot of random noise, you can find chance patterns in it, and the Net makes it easier to collect random noise. Dr. James M. Robins, Professor of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at Harvard - -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 13:37:34 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] plexi baffles while rome burns At 09:24 AM 12/4/2002 -0600, Miles Goosens wrote: >Speaking of things about which Stewart and I disagree, I saw a big chunk of >the Learning Channel's CHANGING ROOMS Thanksgiving Day marathon. Maybe >those weren't the eight or nine most sterling episodes of the BBC's series, >but I didn't see anything that made me think that it was any better (or >worse) than its American offspring, TRADING SPACES. IMO, CHANGING ROOMS >had about the same ratio of yeeech!::wow! However, based on the >fragmentary evidence I've gathered from discussions with my fellow >Loud-Fans, I suspect that taste in decorating varies far more widely than >taste in music or film. It's also important to note that the sample was absurdly heavy on the trainwrecks. I don't know why the folks at TLC think that's what the viewers want to see, but they went out of their way to show the episodes with bad outcomes, which are much fewer on CHANGING ROOMS. And really, I just think it's a better show because Carole Smillie is a better host than Paige Davis roughly to the extent that Johnny Carson was better than Chevy Chase. >It is worth noting, I think, that (based on this >admittedly small sample, though each hour of CHANGING ROOMS blows through >two sets of neighbors, so it's twice the designers and remodels per hour) What was up with that weird re-editing? They were showing the intro of one episode, followed by the intro of another episode, followed by the rest of the first episode and then the rest of the second, which made absolutely no sense at all. (They're self-contained half-hours on BBC America, and commercial-free 28 minutes in their original UK incarnation.) They hacked out huge hunks of the shows as well, probably to fit in more commercials. The problem I see is that the US versions of CHANGING ROOMS feel too short at half an hour, but TRADING SPACES feels much too long at one hour, not least since so much of that time consists of Paige running around acting like a ninny and Ty showing why extensive and habitual marijuana use is a very bad idea. S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:38:00 -0800 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] i love our president wow - my mistake. i eat, sleep, and breathe this stuff and hadn't heard about it, but apparently it's going to be handled by TUCOWS, according to this document: http://www.icann.org/tlds/report/kids4.html. i'd bet, though, that it won't be up and running for some time - even with tons of push behind these things, they don't happen quickly. if they do, they're disastrous. - -- It's well known that if you take a lot of random noise, you can find chance patterns in it, and the Net makes it easier to collect random noise. Dr. James M. Robins, Professor of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at Harvard - -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:46:56 -0800 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] i love our president and since i'm yakking away here, it seems the media can't get their story straight. here - i think- is the whole story: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8016-2002Dec4.html and it's .kids.us - so you could buy legos.kids.us, but not just legos.kids . so it's actually a second level domain, just like what most of us are used to using all the time. ("microsoft" in "www.microsoft.com" is a second level - "www" is a third level.) anyhow... - -- It's well known that if you take a lot of random noise, you can find chance patterns in it, and the Net makes it easier to collect random noise. Dr. James M. Robins, Professor of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at Harvard - -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:53:21 -0800 From: "Michael Zwirn" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] i love our president > and it's .kids.us - so you could buy legos.kids.us, but not just legos.kids just a pity you probably can't get .kids.r.us n.p. Happy Rhodes, Rhodesongs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 13:04:28 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] gangs of new spork OK, is it just me, or do the trailers for GANGS OF NEW YORK make the movie look horribly, laughably, epically bad? I haven't laughed so much at an unintentionally funny movie preview since DEVIL'S ADVOCATE (yeah, Pacino tried to ex post facto spin the latter into "we were going for funny all along" -- uh, yeah, right). It looked like the aftermath of a trainwreck where LES MISERABLES collided with RIVERDANCE on the set of GRAFFITI BRIDGE. Amazingly, it also stars Daniel Day-Lewis as Snidely Whiplash. I'll be happy for Scorsese to prove me wrong. But usually when his movies take so long to make, and start clearing the 2 hr 30 min mark, he ends up with NEW YORK, NEW YORK or CASINO more often than RAGING BULL, and this one looks headed direct to an MST3K DVD. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:03:00 -0500 From: John Sharples Subject: [loud-fans] Happy Holidays! I just wanted to be the first to wish everyone here a very Happy Idul-Fitr, the Holiest of all the New York City Alternate Side of the Street Parking holidays. JS - ------------------------------- This mail sent through Brooklyn Law School WebMail http://www.brooklaw.edu/webmail - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:12:16 -0600 From: Bill Silvers Subject: Re: [loud-fans] plexi baffles >At 04:15 PM 12/4/2002 +0000, Brendan Curry wrote: > >ER-20s are often available in music gear shops but are usually re-branded > >under the HEAROS name. I've seen a ton of what look to be ER-20s under a > >myriad of brands, but HEAROS is the only one that Etymotic officially > >acknowledges (http://www.etymotic.com/pnd/er20distributors.html). > >Yeah, after Bill Silvers' post, I had a look at the Etymotic webpage and >realized that I'd been wearing the ER-20s in their Hearos guise for >years. I had to order them straight from the Hearos company, though -- >I've never seen a pair in, say, Walgreen's, though all of the other Hearos >variants have appeared there over the years, including the Rock and Roll >Hearos that Jen mentions. >Miles Oops. Hope I'm not the exact opposite of your hearo now, Jen. The ER-20's do the job well for me, but like the ad says, your mileage may vary. b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:23:04 -0500 From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] sammy again (ns) Not sure if anyone else will care, but I finally managed to get ahold of the most recent Laptop single, which (as far as I can tell) is only available via mail order from Norway. Obscurity is fun, but this is getting out of hand. Anyway, we've done Laptop here, so I won't discuss the title track ("Don't Try This at Home"). Of possible interest, though, are the b-sides, which are covers of three Sammy songs from their debut album "Debut Album." They're done with acoustic guitars, electronic bloops and Jesse singing in a mix of his Laptop voice and his Sammy voice. The first, "Hi Fi Killers" has a sort of annoying high-pitched noise and distorted vocals, but the other two, "Rudy" and "Babe Come Down" are really nice. Since Debut Album has kind of lousy sound, fans might want to check this out. Not that "Debut Album" isn't wonderful, but I wish someone would come along and re-record it someday. Actually on the same subject, I recently picked up a couple of Sammy singles from the "Tales of Great Neck Glory" period, and the b-sides on those are pretty nice as well. What with the new stuff, you could almost construct a pretty decent third Sammy album out of all their non-album tracks. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #419 *******************************