From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #416 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, December 3 2002 Volume 02 : Number 416 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] You say tinnAYto and I say tinnAHto [John Sharples ] Re: [loud-fans] reading material [John Cooper ] [loud-fans] on the topic of sushi etiquette [dmw ] [loud-fans] More iPod (ns) [Dana Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] More iPod (ns) [Elizabeth Brion ] Re: [loud-fans] My shopping dilemma [Dan Sallitt ] Re: [loud-fans] My shopping dilemma [Michael Bowen ] [loud-fans] artwork request [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] spam question [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] spam question [jenny grover ] RE: [loud-fans] spam question ["glenn mcdonald" ] Re: [loud-fans] My shopping dilemma [Elizabeth Brion ] Re: [loud-fans] spam question ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] spam question [Michael Zwirn ] [loud-fans] iPods, spam & glasses ["Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] You say tinnAYto and I say tinnAHto Quoting LeftyZ@aol.com: > << So the chefs at Sushi on Sunset were cracking up at me and told me only > gringos eat sushi and maki with chopsticks in a wrongheaded attempt to appear > authentic. >> > > The same reason that gringos inSIST on eating CHINESE food with chopsticks, > eh? Nope! I think eating Chinese food with chopsticks works better than with steel utensils. It's already been said here that it's preferable to not have the utensil in your mouth and not have that metallic taste, but I'll add that if I'm forced to eat Chinese without chopsticks I find myself shovelling huge amounts of food in my mouth. With chopsticks that's hard to do, so it forces you to slow down and savor the meal. Now I'll eat any kind of rice-based stir- fry dish, regardless of its cultural origin, with chopsticks if available. > Since the fork HAS now been invented, and since it IS the 21st Century, I use > a fork. See, I don't know why ANY of that should matter. I think my point about the Japanese sushi chefs laughing at me has been misconstrued here. My point isn't that they pointed me towards the "culturally correct" way of eating it. They pointed me towards the only workable method! (And was thereby disabused of trying to be culturally correct.) And I think all this talk about the wasabi and which bit to dip in the sauce is ridiculous. That's entirely a personal matter of taste. JS - ------------------------------- This mail sent through Brooklyn Law School WebMail http://www.brooklaw.edu/webmail - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 12:01:49 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: [loud-fans] reading material So, can anybody here recommend some good conspiracy theory books? I've already read (and am friends with one of the authors of) THE 60 GREATEST CONSPIRACIES OF ALL TIME. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 09:18:57 -0800 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] reading material > From: "Aaron Milenski" > > So, can anybody here recommend some good conspiracy theory books? I've > already read (and am friends with one of the authors of) THE 60 GREATEST > CONSPIRACIES OF ALL TIME. On the JFK assassination, I highly recommend WHO SHOT JFK? by Bob Callahan. It's out of print, but Amazon lists several used copies at under $5.00. Even if the text weren't fascinating, the illustrations by Mark Zingarelli would be worth the cover price. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:07:35 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] on the topic of sushi etiquette there is much you do not yet know, grasshopper http://yoga.tripod.co.jp/flash/kikkomaso.swf - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:30:51 -0500 From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] More iPod (ns) A lot of iPod owners replied to my question, and I was pretty much convinced. Then today, the new Best Buy catalog shows up in my mail, with a listing for the Nomad 10Gig jukebox for $99.99!! (A rebate is involved). So granted it's not as good as the iPod, or at least I'm assuming that. But if I understand correctly, it's selling for almost $200 less. And since I'd have to buy a Firewire port to use iPod (right?) we might be talking almost $300 less. So... Has anyone bought/heard about/read about this alternative? It's looking mighty tempting, even if it isn't as good as the Apple. I'll do some research myself, but I thought I'd start here. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 15:41:03 -0800 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: Re: [loud-fans] More iPod (ns) Dana Paoli wrote: > Has anyone bought/heard about/read about this alternative? It's looking > mighty tempting, even if it isn't as good as the Apple. I'll do some > research myself, but I thought I'd start here. The first time I was looking into buying an iPod, I checked out the Nomad, because I enjoy spending less money as much as the next little sprite. The only drawback - but a deal-killer for me - was that it was huge. I would mostly use mine at the gym, so that's not gonna do me much more good than the big clunky cassette Walkman I'm not using now. They may have done some fine-tuning since then, though. If size doesn't matter to you, though, I don't recall any other problems with it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 15:57:26 -0800 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: [loud-fans] My shopping dilemma I was at the mall last week - foolishly, without a second person to help me weigh crucial decisions like this one. I found these sunglasses that I thought looked sort of adorable on me - then I discovered that not only were they part of the J. Lo fashion line, but they actually said J. Lo on them in curly gold script. What to do? If I bought such a thing, would I be shunned and mocked by all? And is curly gold script acceptable under any circumstances? I didn't really have $40 to drop on sunglasses anyway, so I postponed the decision. So at Thanksgiving dinner, I asked my sister, who felt it was an excellent thing I hadn't bought them, not least because it would just encourage J. Lo. My brother-in-law, however, thought I should go back and buy them immediately, because I'd be really happy I had them in 25 years' time, and in the meantime who gives a rat's ass what other people think. Actually, it got a little heated in there for a while. These are all fine points, of course - except for not caring what other people think because I apparently do - so I'm still completely torn on the issue. So what would you do, if you were unlucky enough to have the right sort of head for J. Lo fashion eyewear? Should I bow to my reverse snobbery or whatever it is, or embrace it? E ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:15:50 -0700 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] My shopping dilemma Elizabeth Brion on 12/2/2002 4:57:26 PM wrote: > So what would you do, if you were unlucky enough to have the right sort > of head for J. Lo fashion eyewear? Should I bow to my reverse snobbery > or whatever it is, or embrace it? This is an interesting dilemma. Have you considered moving to someplace that rains a lot, like Seattle or Portland, so that you wouldn't have to wear sunglasses? If that's not an option, try painting over the "J.Lo" logo with "B.Af" (Ben Affleck). Then you'll be the only one around sporting those babies! Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 19:47:50 -0500 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] My shopping dilemma > What to do? If I bought such a thing, would I be shunned and mocked by > all? Well, yes. I'm not making a judgment or anything, just pointing out the facts. > And is curly gold script acceptable under any circumstances? I think this is the problem, more than J-Lo. Would the situation be improved if the script said David Bowie, or John Lennon? No. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 20:08:04 -0500 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: [loud-fans] spam question I read this article below about spam and it says the average person receives more than 2200 spam hits a year. I get nothing like that. Maybe once or a month I'll get a message. Do fellow listers get alot of spam? http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=569&u=/nm/20021202/tc_nm/t ech_spam_dc&printer=1 Regarding the sunglasses question-this is a dilemma. I would get them. Does the curly gold script appear on the outside or the inside? Maybe it could be removed if it looks too gold and shiny. I'm rediscovering Ghost's Snuffbox Immanence after a couple of years. Also recently purchased--an excellent Balinese Gamelan ensemble recording called Cudamani. It was recorded this year. Some of the drum flourishes seem a little more contemporary in feeling, but it has a really beautiful traditional gamelan effect. A movies I would recommend that I saw recently is out on video-The Lady and The Duke, by Eric Rohmer. It's set during the French revolution. It's about an Englishwoman who lives in Paris and her political associations, and about some dangerous risks she takes. And it has the feeling of a play because the backdrops are painterly like stage sets. They've been digitally merged into three dimensional appearing perspectives but keep a hand painted look. It's in French with English subtitles. This reviewer says it better than I could- http://www.metromix.com/top/1,1419,M-Metromix-Movies-ladyanddukemoviefront!A rticleDetail-16930,00.html Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 20:25:26 -0500 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] My shopping dilemma At 03:57 PM 12/2/2002 -0800, Elizabeth Brion wrote: >So at Thanksgiving dinner, I asked my sister, who felt it was an excellent >thing I hadn't bought them, not least because it would just encourage J. Lo. Having spent a summer with your sister cleaning toilets, I will vouch for her perspicacity. Even if they looked great, the curly gold script is a dealbreaker. MB np: Richard Shindell - "Fishing" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:50:49 -0500 From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] strange bedfellows (low, ns) For my birthday, I decided to treat myself to a CD, and as pickings were slim at Holy Cow, and because I'd just read an interesting review of Low's new one, I picked up "Trust." This isn't a review, but I have to say that I'm fascinated by the fact (possibly un-noted by their fan base) that they seem to be evolving in the direction of...Swans, of all people. It's really kind of striking. The CD case (especially the back cover) is a dead ringer for a Young God production. The lyrics frequently stray into Gira territory: "They'll take my name, / And feed my children / With my remains / In the holy temple" could have sprung straight from Gira's or Jarboe's mouth. There's one song that's a minor chord dirge, ending with a sha-la-la-la chorus that could have fit right onto Children of God if you just change the vocalist. Examples abound. Obviously, the voices are dissimilar, but much (not all, by any means) of the album sounds almost *exactly* like mid period Swans. Which is making me very happy. I can't imagine that Low did this on purpose. I'm assuming that it's one of those situations where different people take different paths to similar places. Nonetheless, I hope that they keep heading in this direction. - --dana ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:56:26 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] artwork request If anyone here has a copy of Portastatic's _The Nature of Sap_, I'm wondering if you might scan its back cover insert at fairly high resolution, zip the file, and either e-mail it to me or (preferred) put it up at yr website. I bought a used copy that was missing the back cover. TIA - e-mail me o/l. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: Solipsism is its own reward :: :: --Crow T. Robot np: Sigur Ros _Agaetis Byrjun_ (add diacritics to taste): thanks Miles! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:59:41 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] spam question On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Carolyn Dorsey wrote: > I read this article below about spam and it says the average person > receives more than 2200 spam hits a year. I get nothing like that. > Maybe once or a month I'll get a message. Do fellow listers get alot of > spam? That's what, six pieces per day? I average about ten. So, yeah. Thanks to SpamAssassin, I don't see most of them. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 21:34:12 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] spam question Carolyn Dorsey wrote: > > I read this article below about spam and it says the average person receives > more than 2200 spam hits a year. I get nothing like that. Maybe once or a > month I'll get a message. Do fellow listers get alot of spam? It depends on the email addy. This one gets very little because I keep it pretty private and my server has a lot of filters on it. My Yahoo address (which I have for Yahoogroups mail, because my server blocks them as spam) has a filter on it that puts anything questionable in a "bulk mail" folder, where you can read, delete, or whatever, and if something comes in that you would rather have come to your regular box, you can send it in and they will review it and add it if it's harmless. My other email addy is the spam magnet, because it is up on my webpages, and that's where spammers glean a lot of addy's from. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:39:17 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] spam question I get somewhere around 200 spam emails a day, but SpamPal is currently doing a very good job of catching almost all of them. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 18:39:35 -0800 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: Re: [loud-fans] My shopping dilemma Michael Bowen wrote: > Having spent a summer with your sister cleaning toilets, I will vouch > for her perspicacity. Even if they looked great, the curly gold script > is a dealbreaker. Ah, but that was my sister-in-law; my sister is known for many things, but toilet-cleaning is truly, TRULY not among them. :-) For the record, my sister-in-law voiced no opinion, but there's every chance that she was just afraid to get between the combatants and really feels strongly about it one way or the other. The curly gold script is on the outside; however, it's small enough that I didn't notice it at first. But not small enough that I won't be constantly aware of it from now on. I couldn't think of any obvious way to cover it up (they're a funny clear pinky color, or I'd just find the matching Sharpie and obliterate). What I forgot to mention is the factor that weighs toward the other side, which is that I have kind of a weird bridge and as a result almost never find sunglasses that don't make me look like I have a boiled potato in the middle of my face. Otherwise, I'd just have moved on immediately. Thanks for all of your input - it's nice to have a place where I can solve my occasional fashion/pop culture dilemmas. :-) Oh. "Standing In The Shadows Of Motown." See it. If it's not playing where you live, drive (or move) to a place where it is. E ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 21:55:01 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] My shopping dilemma Elizabeth, If the cool/uncool factor bothers you so much that you will always be subconscious about that gold script, regardless of how inconspicuous it is, then they are not the sunglasses for you. I once bought a cheap pair of sunglasses that fit well, and didn't realize until later that they said NASCAR on them. Didn't matter, since I mostly wore them fishing. If you truly do have trouble finding ones that fit, then maybe you should just get them, ignore the name on them, and realize that most other people will never notice it. Sometimes that script stuff can be removed with alcohol. Don't use a solvent on them if they are plastic lenses, though. I saw some cute sunglasses I almost tried on, until I saw that they were Britney Spears models, with her name on the lenses. I fled. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 22:00:13 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: [loud-fans] stop making sense Oops. I realize I typed something that veers slightly away from actual sense (though it does make tangential sense). Give me a break- I didn't sleep well last night. I wrote: > If the cool/uncool factor bothers you so much that you will always be > subconscious about that gold script... I meant "self-conscious", of course. But I guess it would always be in her subconscious that it was there. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 22:24:02 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] spam question >I read this article below about spam and it says the average person >receives >more than 2200 spam hits a year. I get nothing like that. Maybe once or a >month I'll get a message. Do fellow listers get alot of spam? All of us fools on hotmail bring up the average for you. I would bet I get 2200 per month. I love Eric Rohmer, by the way. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 20:48:16 -0800 From: Michael Zwirn Subject: Re: [loud-fans] spam question On 12/2/02 6:39 PM, glenn mcdonald wrote: > I get somewhere around 200 spam emails a day, but SpamPal is currently > doing a very good job of catching almost all of them. I didn't see any of these messages until I skimmed my deleted items folder, so ... l.p. NIN, whichever one has "March of the Pigs" on it - -------------------------------------- Michael J. Zwirn http://zwirn.com michael@zwirn.com Home: 503/232-8919 Cell: 503/887-9800 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:40:04 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: [loud-fans] iPods, spam & glasses On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Elizabeth Brion wrote: > The first time I was looking into buying an iPod, I checked out the > Nomad, because I enjoy spending less money as much as the next little > sprite. The only drawback - but a deal-killer for me - was that it was > huge. I would mostly use mine at the gym, so that's not gonna do me much > more good than the big clunky cassette Walkman I'm not using now. > If size doesn't matter to you, though, I don't recall any other problems > with it. I got a Nomad Jukebox a couple years ago, and could never get the thing to work right. I called tech support several times, and even they said, "Well, it's broken". Plus, it's the size of a CD Walkman vs. the iPod's "size of a pack of ciggies". On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Carolyn Dorsey wrote: > > > I read this article below about spam and it says the average person > > receives more than 2200 spam hits a year. I get nothing like that. > > Maybe once or a month I'll get a message. Do fellow listers get alot of > > spam? > > That's what, six pieces per day? I average about ten. So, yeah. Thanks to > SpamAssassin, I don't see most of them. Kudos indeed to SpamAssassin - I get more than 50 spams a day, and see none of them. Elizabeth - I'd pass on the glasses. The J. Lo-go will make you feel cheap when you're on your own third hubby... ;) Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:38:20 -0800 From: "West Moran" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] reading material > So, can anybody here recommend some good conspiracy theory books? I've > already read (and am friends with one of the authors of) THE 60 GREATEST > CONSPIRACIES OF ALL TIME. I recommend "The Conspiracy Reader" by Al Hidell and Joan D'Arc. It's similar to the "60 Greatest", a sort of catalogue of conspiratorial fun and frolic, and it also contains my favorite conspiracy theory of all time: Alternative Three. Another good one is "It's A Conspiracy!" by The National Insecurity Council. I am the October Surprise, West. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #416 *******************************