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loud-fans-digest      Tuesday, November 12 2002      Volume 02 : Number 394



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Re: [loud-fans] Soft Boys Question                 [boyof100lists@juno.com]
  Re: [loud-fans] Fwd: OT -- Ignorance is Strength: Big Brother  in Libraries  [John Sharples <jsharple@brooklaw.]
  Re: [loud-fans] Fwd: OT -- Ignorance is Strength: Big Brother  in Libraries  [Dan Sallitt <sallitt@post.harvard.]
  [loud-fans] Happiness is a warm filter             [boyof100lists@juno.com]
  Re: [loud-fans] she needs to get out more             [dmw <dmw@radix.net>]
  RE: [loud-fans] Fwd: Whoa! ... Beefheart [doesn't] return as if by Magic  ["Larry Tucker" <ltucker@townofchapelhill.org]
  [loud-fans] OT - incredible photography   ["me" <me@justanotherfuckin.com>]
  [loud-fans] aimee mann on XM              ["me" <me@justanotherfuckin.com>]
  Re: [loud-fans] she needs to get out more  ["Andrew Hamlin" <zoom@muppetla]

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 07:26:38 -0500
From: boyof100lists@juno.com
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Soft Boys Question

Jeffrey says, so sweetly:

No. And they wouldn't be dashes (two hyphens in e-mail), they'd be
hyphens--and
they'd be there if you were using the phrase "ins and outs" adjectivally.
 

Well, this is good to know Jeffrey, and I'm glad you're there to clue me
in on forgotten stuff from English class without trying to be an ass
about it.  I know you have nothing but my best interests at heart.  I
made an effort to look  this up FYI, but my _Harbrace College Handbook_
has disappeared, and my dictionary seemed kind of vague on it, so I took
a chance.  Oh but I over explained myself again, didn't I?  

I'd filter you as well, but that would be too complicated a task for me,
you know.  Or maybe I won't because I think that's really immature, kind
of like the way you think I am.

Thanks again, sugar pie orange stuffin'. <smack>

- -Mark S.





 

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:10:46 -0500
From: John Sharples <jsharple@brooklaw.edu>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fwd: OT -- Ignorance is Strength: Big Brother  in Libraries

Quoting Andrew Hamlin <zoom@muppetlabs.com>:

> Anyone wishing to bridge that seemingly impassable chasm between a right
> believing "that it's not the government's job to tell people what to do"
> and
> the right's long record of attempting (often succeeding) the forceful
> governmental dictation of what people should, or should not:  read, view,
> hear, compute, think, have done to their own bodies...

Don't forget enforced prayer in public schools, one of my favorites...

JS






















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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:47:30 -0500
From: Dan Sallitt <sallitt@post.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fwd: OT -- Ignorance is Strength: Big Brother  in Libraries

 > The mystery to
> me is that the southern Democrats had the vote of the "common"
> Southerner.  Now that has gone to the Republicans in the South, whereas
> in other places it goes to the Democrats.  It can't be about civil rights
> in this day and age.  So why?

I'm not sure that I'm understanding the question, but there's a big 
historical reason for the "solid South" having a Democratic tradition: 
the Civil War was waged by Lincoln, a Republican.  In recent years 
(maybe since 1932 and FDR), the Republican-Democrat relationship has 
increasingly taken on a conservative-liberal polarity, and so the 
Democrats gradually lost their hold on conservative Southerners.  But it 
took a long time. - Dan

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:58:14 -0500
From: boyof100lists@juno.com
Subject: [loud-fans] Happiness is a warm filter

First of all, I apologize to Jeffrey for losing my cool.  I'm sorry,
Jeffrey.  Second, I wanted to tell you guys that you need not bother
filtering me, because I think it best to do as I intended to do back when
I rejoined when the live LF record came out and just lurk.  I may post
something every blood moon, but not anymore like I have been.  The thing
is, it is blatantly obvious that I do nothing but cause annoyance.  I
equate myself to Bill Murray in "What About Bob?" where I slowly drive
Richard Dreyfuss, or in this case, the list, insane.  I'm always going to
be me, and that means I'll always give TMI and be chatty and personal. 
Always have been, always will be.  A good analogy of me to the list would
be the old Beetle to the new one.  I may have the same shape as the new
one and even be the same color, but I will never be the new one.  I will
always be rear-engined (look, a hyphen) and slow, and leave a puddle of
oil wherever I go.  You can slap a 20K price tag on me, but ain't nobody
gonna buy it.  (I'm not trying to pull an "I'm such a loser, feel sorry
for me" bit here.  I'm quite proud of who I am)  I just get tired of it
all.  The drama, the sarcasm, the backbiting.  It's a real drag for you
and it's a real drag for me.  However, this list is an amazing resource
of musical info. for a pop junkie like me, so I intend to stay to stay
hip to what's coming out.  I wouldn't have known about the new Sixpence
record had I not been on here, for example.

Baby steps to lurk mode.  See you next blood moon,
- -Mark Staples

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:27:11 -0500 (EST)
From: dmw <dmw@radix.net>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] she needs to get out more

On Sun, 10 Nov 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote:

> Quoting Carolyn Dorsey <dorseycc@earthlink.net>:
>
> > This is cute.  A girl made this to memorialize her cat.
> >
> > http://www.amyhughes.org/lego/church/index.html
>
> As far as the subject line: maybe...but as she says, it took her less time than a
> lot of people spend vegetating in front of the TV.


i knew a guy who made similarly-sized medieval fortifications from lego.
he often used to work with his brother, who committed the sin of
improvisation (he would therefore typically get one of the towers to
design for himself).  steve would lay it all on out graph paper before he
put two bricks together.

the construction would depict the castle at a very specific point in its
history, not usually the earliest.  for example, it might include a set of
walls that was added, rebuilt or reinforced following an earlier
successful siege.  they weren't modeled on specific castles, but they were
thoroughly researched and the architecture (except for the regenegade
towers) was about as historically accurate, it seems to me, as is possible
for something predominantly made of brightly colored plastic bricks.

- -- d.

np some brahms

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:14:24 -0500
From: "Larry Tucker" <ltucker@townofchapelhill.org>
Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Fwd: Whoa! ... Beefheart [doesn't] return as if by Magic

Actually Beefheart now lives on the Northern Calf. Coast, up near Eureka
I think. He built a house/studio there many years ago after leaving the
desert. 

Highly recommended reading is Mike Barnes' definitive bio, CAPTAIN
BEEFHEART, which is now available in the US. In Barnes' book it said
that since Beefheart couldn't write down his music he would usually hum
it to another band member, usually French, who would transcribe it to
paper. When they were rehearsing or recording the band would play some
of the songs numerous times, sometimes for literally days on end until
Beefheart would tell them "yeah that's what's supposed to sound like."
So it sounds like Beefheart provided the rough framework for the songs
that the band surely filled out, but he always insisted on sole writing
credits regardless of the amount of input from other Magic Band members.

- -Larry

|-----Original Message-----
|From: Jeffrey Norman [mailto:jenor@uwm.edu] 
|Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 6:15 PM
|To: Account 7870
|Subject: [loud-fans] Fwd: Whoa! ... Beefheart [doesn't] return 
|as if by Magic
|
|
|Key here is that the Captain himself is still hiding out in 
|his trailer in the Mojave. But do not underestimate the power, 
|or influence, of the Magic Band: as the book-length essay in 
|_Grow Fins_ points out (and didn't Drumbo write a book saying 
|much the same thing?), a lot of the arrangements were, 
|perforce, band creations.
|
|Not to underestimate Beefheart's inimitable 
|contributions...but this band will probably still produce 
|interesting music, even if it's not necessarily Beefheartian 
|in the true sense.
|
|--jjn
|
|----- Forwarded message from MPys2626 -----
|    Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:35:24 EST
| Subject: Whoa! ... Beefheart returns as if by Magic
|    
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|
|CAPTAIN BEEFHEART'S LEGENDARY MAGIC BAND REUNITES AFTER 20 YEARS!
|
|  BAND IS SLATED TO RECORD IN WINTER 2002 AND PERFORM AT 2 UPCOMING 
|2003 ALL 
|TOMORROW'S PARTIES FESTIVALS AND AT LONDON'S SHEPHERD'S BUSH EMPIRE
|
|  After 20 over years dormant, Captain Beefheart's legendary group, the
|  Magic Band is slated to reunite this year.
|
|  The news comes after the member's decision to accept a 
|request to perform, on Sunday April 6th, at the upcoming All 
|Tomorrow's Parties festival in the UK, which will be curated 
|by notable experimental/electronic group Autechre. They will 
|also play at  Londons 
|Shepherds Bush Empire the following night (April 7th), and later, at 
|yet 
|another All Tomorrow's Parties Festival, this time in Los Angeles.
|
|  The L.A. show, which will be curated this year by visionary 
|animator/producer Matt Groening, and was curated last year by 
|Sonic Youth, will take place on the campus of UCLA as well as at other 
|selected 
|venues in downtown Los Angeles.
|
|  For Beefheart/Magic Band fans these are momentous occasions. For 
|those 
|unexposed to their genius, the shows will be a rare chance to 
|experience the 
|wildly influential and seminal group first hand.
|
|  Tickets for ATP UK cuarted by Autechre are currently on sale 
|via the festival website www.alltomorrowsparties.co.uk and 
|tickets for the Shepherds Bush Empire will go on sale Weds 
|October 30th 2002 from www.wayahead.com Tickets for ATP LA are 
|likely to go on sale before the 
|end 
|of the year. Go to www.alltomorrowsparties.co.uk for the details.
|
|  The first order of biz will see the Magic Band, sans 
|much-celebrated leader Captain Beefheart, (Don Van Vliet) who 
|retired from music altogether over twenty years ago, re-enter 
|the recording studio. The unexpected 'next' record will 
|essentially be a recorded rehearsal with 
|the 
|band playing numbers live-to-tape from heralded records like 
|Trout Mask 
|Replica, Safe As Milk and Lick My Decals Off, Baby at a secret studio 
|location. The new record will be available for purchase at, 
|among other 
|points, the UK All Tomorrow's Parties festival in the Spring, and will 
|be 
|widely available elsewhere in early summer.
|
|  The formative lineup is expected to be in place and will include Mark
|  "Rockette Morton" Boston on bass, John "Drumbo" French on drums, Gary
|  "Mantis" Lucas and Denny "Feelers Reebo" Walley on Guitars.
|
|  www.alltomorrowsparties.co.uk
|
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|
|np ~ RoadRews (Kimberley Rew carcomp ceedeeare) ...YEAH!
|
|
|You Can Chop Em Down Like Weeds ...
|      ...But You'll Never Make Them Love You ~ R.H.
|
|<A 
|HREF="http://www.mitchworldusa.net/">http://www.mitchworldusa.net/</A>
|
|----- End forwarded message -----
|
|
|
|..Jeff
|
|J e f f r e y   N o r m a n
|The Architectural Dance Society
|www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html
|:: crumple zones:::harmful or fatal if swallowed:::small-craft 
|warning ::
|

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:51:58 -0800
From: "me" <me@justanotherfuckin.com>
Subject: [loud-fans] OT - incredible photography

http://heatherfirth.com - Earth Erotica

safe for work - there are no people in these picutres.  they're photos of
rocks.  very sexy rocks, but rocks none-the-less.


- --
It's well known that if you take a lot of random noise, you can find chance
patterns in it, and the Net makes it easier to collect random noise.
Dr. James M. Robins, Professor of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at Harvard
- --

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:14:03 -0800
From: "me" <me@justanotherfuckin.com>
Subject: [loud-fans] aimee mann on XM

if you have XM radio, which i don't, you might be interested in this:

Tuesday: 11/12 - Aimee Mann
Tuesday - 1:00 AM ET
The folk-pop princess drops by the VH1 Satellite Radio Studio to be our tour
guide as we take a cosmic trip through her latest album, Lost in Space.
Encore Presentations:
Tuesday - 7:00 AM ET
Tuesday - 1:00 PM ET
Tuesday - 7:00 PM ET
On VH1-XM26
http://www.xmradio.com/programming/channel_guide.jsp?ch=26

- --
It's well known that if you take a lot of random noise, you can find chance
patterns in it, and the Net makes it easier to collect random noise.
Dr. James M. Robins, Professor of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at Harvard
- --

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:54:57 -0800
From: "Andrew Hamlin" <zoom@muppetlabs.com>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] she needs to get out more

>i knew a guy who made similarly-sized medieval fortifications from lego.
>he often used to work with his brother, who committed the sin of
>improvisation (he would therefore typically get one of the towers to
>design for himself).  steve would lay it all on out graph paper before he
>put two bricks together.

Steve, wherever he is, should hear about the following folks:

http://www.ericharshbarger.org/lego/index.html

http://legojoes.homestead.com/Main.html

http://www.angelfire.com/wa2/legowars2000/home.html

http://www5b.biglobe.ne.jp/~mbsf/sworde.htm

http://www.geocities.co.jp/Hollywood/9060/cinemae.html

More at www.portalofevil.com if you want it.  I left out the Lego porn and
the Lego concentration camps.

Wondering if Calista and Natalie ever cast a peek,

Andy

"Mifune [Toshiro] began acting at a time and in a place where conventions of
manliness did not preclude being expressive. Picture Gary Cooper tearing out
his hair and stamping his feet; imagine John Wayne shrinking in terror;
think about how Gregory Peck would look scratching his stomach; fancy
Charlton Heston in tears--no casting director ever asked Charlton Heston to
cry. And yet at the same time when male American actors were in their
rock-jawed, reticent heyday, Mifune was, true to form, tearing up the place.
For me, as a young heterosexual woman in the '50s, Mifune was a revelation.
Masculinity did not require impassivity. Mifune was nothing if not emotive,
and indubitably a stud. He was also comically, wittily vulgar--Marlon Brando
with a sense of humor."

- --Barley Blair, from http://www.thestranger.com/current/film3.html

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