From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #379 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, October 29 2002 Volume 02 : Number 379 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] ___is the new___ [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] utterly ns [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] utterly ns [Dave Walker ] Re: [loud-fans] ___is the new___ ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] utterly ns [zkk46@ttacs.ttu.edu] Re: [loud-fans] utterly ns [Aaron Mandel ] [loud-fans] GTA? WTF? [John Cooper ] Re: [loud-fans] utterly ns ["Roger Winston" ] Re: [loud-fans] GTA? WTF? [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] utterly ns [Dave Walker ] Re: [loud-fans] GTA? WTF? [Elizabeth Brion ] [loud-fans] Today's other big New Releases (ns) [Dave Walker ] Re:Re: [loud-fans] GTA? WTF? ["Pete O." ] Re:Re: [loud-fans] GTA? WTF? [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] GTA? WTF? [jenny grover ] [loud-fans] attn language geeks ["Roger Winston" ] Re: [loud-fans] attn language geeks [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] attn language geeks ["glenn mcdonald" ] Re: [loud-fans] attn language geeks [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] GTA? WTF? ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] [loud-fans] Assuming somebody or another 'round here knows everything about music... [Elizabeth Brion ] [loud-fans] PDL [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] GTA? WTF? [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] Bubble Tea [Dana Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] PDL ["Elizabeth Brion" ] Fw: [loud-fans] GTA? WTF? ["Jo Brown" ] Re: [loud-fans] utterly ns [Boyof100lists@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:52:06 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] ___is the new___ At 10:33 PM 10/28/2002 -0800, Matthew Weber wrote: >At 10:15 PM -0500 10/28/02, Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: >>Where and when did this phrase first pop up in the popular culture? Was it >>Kings of Convenience's album, or in the Josie and the Pussycats movie? I'm >>getting tired of it. I think it has reached critical mass in the new Mini >>ads. >> >>Scott is the new Alex, >>-Mark S. >> >>np: Morella's Forest _Tiny Lights of Heaven_ > >Long before either, I think. I remember reading that Eric Andersen >was the new Dylan, e.g. Heck, there was probably someone saying "Beowulf is the new Gilgamesh." (Anyway, Mark, the point is that "X is the new Y" goes back as far as I can remember.) The most entertaining part of the Rock Book of Lists, IMO, was the New Dylan list -- which included Bob himself about four or five times, and that was just through 1980. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:18:53 EST From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] ___is the new___ In a message dated 10/29/02 10:49:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, outdoorminer@mindspring.com writes: > Heck, there was probably someone saying "Beowulf is the new Gilgamesh." > > (Anyway, Mark, the point is that "X is the new Y" goes back as far as I can > > remember.) > > It just seems to be the vogue phrase of the moment. I think I noticed it in two different Magnet reviews as well. Eczema is the new psoriasis, George W. is the new George.... I know where the beef is, and have milk, - -Mark S. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:24:13 -0500 From: Dave Walker Subject: [loud-fans] utterly ns So does anyone have _GTA:Vice City_ yet? I was sold the minute I found out there was a Philip Michael Thomas cameo. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:45:04 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] utterly ns At 11:24 AM 10/29/2002 -0500, Dave Walker wrote: >So does anyone have _GTA:Vice City_ yet? >I was sold the minute I found out there >was a Philip Michael Thomas cameo. I'm picking mine up today, though I won't have a chance to play it until tomorrow evening -- got Wilco at the Ryman tonight! Is PMT actually in GTA:VC somewhere? There's a Tubbs-lookalike sidekick, but I didn't realize PMT actually guested somewhere in the game. However, I am pretty sure that Miss Cleo does. Flamingo Road is such a pretty street, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:23:40 -0500 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] utterly ns On Tuesday, October 29, 2002, at 11:45 AM, Miles Goosens wrote: > Is PMT actually in GTA:VC somewhere? There's a Tubbs-lookalike > sidekick, but I didn't realize PMT actually guested somewhere in the > game. However, I am pretty sure that Miss Cleo does. I was going by the info here: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/27/fashion/27GRAN.html Of course, we'll know for sure after we get a look at the voice credits. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:53:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] ___is the new___ On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > It just seems to be the vogue phrase of the moment. I think I noticed it in > two different Magnet reviews as well. I think its most recent popularity stems from the fashion world's use of it: (Orange|Pink|Gray|Chartreuse) is the next black. "___ is the next black" has been au courant for the last few years, enough to invite parody. Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:54:15 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] ___is the new___ On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > I think its most recent popularity stems from the fashion world's use of > it: > (Orange|Pink|Gray|Chartreuse) is the next black. > > "___ is the next black" has been au courant for the last few years, enough > to invite parody. Had the dumb filter on this morning. Of course I mean "___ is the *new* black". Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:34:48 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: [loud-fans] Scary tempting thing http://www.playsite.com/index.gsp Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:44:56 -0800 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Scary tempting thing dooood.... Super Breakout! Centipede! ohmigod ohmigod ohmigod ohmigod ohmigod - -- It's well known that if you take a lot of random noise, you can find chance patterns in it, and the Net makes it easier to collect random noise. Dr. James M. Robins, Professor of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at Harvard - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph M. Mallon" To: "LFList" Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:34 AM Subject: [loud-fans] Scary tempting thing > http://www.playsite.com/index.gsp > > Joe Mallon > jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:15:31 -0600 From: zkk46@ttacs.ttu.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] utterly ns Quoting Dave Walker : > So does anyone have _GTA:Vice City_ yet? > I was sold the minute I found out there > was a Philip Michael Thomas cameo. > > -d.w. > I got it, haven't played it much yet, but a few differences are: 1. the music on the car radio stations is real: Judas Priest, INXS, Blondie, Megadeth, Run DMC, Human League, Michael Jackson and lots of others. 2. More swearing in the story, and on the talk radio. I don't care, but some people might. 3. You can go into alot of the buildings. Instead of just attacking police on the street, you can get them in their headquarters, Terminator-style. 4. More of a story. You can change clothes, you live out of a hotel instead of out of a garage, etc. Definately an improvement over the last one, so if you liked it, you'll like this one just as much, if not more. There was lots of wierd slowdown for who-knows-what- reason, and sometimes, it made walking around kind of hard and not very fluid, but that's the only negative aspect I saw in the hour I played. I may just need to dust the ps2 though, so I don't know if that effects all copies or not. the moped is kind of fun to drive on and crash into people too. Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:51:13 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] utterly ns On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 zkk46@ttacs.ttu.edu wrote: > 1. the music on the car radio stations is real: > Judas Priest, INXS, Blondie, Megadeth, Run DMC, Human > League, Michael Jackson and lots of others. Holy cats, is it all of the right vintage for the Miami Vice retro thing? I saw the 7 soundtracks in the store this morning and glanced at them, but that angle didn't occur to me. No track later than 1986. Well done! I'm glad they went so far over the top with that; it strikes me as a pretty new thing -- movies set in the 80s, for example, might have a soundtrack made up of songs from the right era, but they almost always have a revisionist tinge to them (perhaps because of how short a CD is). Whereas the tone of this GTA launch seems to be that of using pop music as an actual *soundtrack* rather than an advertising jingle. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:26:17 -0800 From: John Cooper Subject: [loud-fans] GTA? WTF? Holy cow! Am I the only person on the list who didn't know what GTA was? Global Technology Associates? Greater Toronto Area? German Top Awards? Getting Twisted Already? Am I the only listmember who never guessed that many Loudlisters in their 30s actually had time left over after watching the Gilmore Girls, insulting each other and (in a few cases) maintaining professional positions and marriages to hang at computer stores checking out the boxes of newly released car-wreck-and-mayhem simulation games? Not that there's anything wrong with that; we all spend time doing unproductive things (in my case, sitting with a cute little cat nestled between my chest and my iBook, pinning my left arm as I try to write a message to the list which is bound to piss off as many people as it amuses, when I should be completing a set of complicated instructions due tonight at my class in technical communication). Anyway: just wanted to beg for mercy here. I'll grant that crash-and-shoot games are interesting to large numbers of intelligent adults (which is fine; I myself go to see James Bond films *in the theater*) if you will just spell out their acronyms so when you talk about WTF3: The Return of Mr. T, I know you're talking about complex and sophisticated computer software rather than the newest Fox TV movie. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:41:15 -0700 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] utterly ns Dave Walker on 10/29/2002 9:24:13 AM wrote: > So does anyone have _GTA:Vice City_ yet? > I was sold the minute I found out there > was a Philip Michael Thomas cameo. I've got GTA: Vice City (that's Grand Theft Auto, Mr. Cooper) on preorder at an online retailer and got a note today that it was in "Pending Shipment" mode. I kind of wish I'd not done that, since Best Buy had it advertised in last weekend's circular for $39.99, and I'm paying $49.29 with free shipping. But then again, BB probably sold out right away. I've vowed that I'm not even going to pop Vice City in the PS2 until I've completed GTA3. I'm stuck on that damn last mission where you have to shoot down the drug-laden plane from the boat using the rocket launcher. Damn, that's tough! Makes me want to throw the controller at the wall. Maybe I should get my 5-year old nephew to complete it for me. Vice City sure does look sweet though. I can't wait to try the pizza delivery missions. And no, that wasn't a slam at you, Mr. Staples. I sure hope they have some good tippers in that city. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:47:49 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] GTA? WTF? On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, John Cooper wrote: > Am I the only listmember who never guessed that many Loudlisters in > their 30s actually had time left over [...] Andrew Heyman and I are both in our 20s, if memory serves. > [...] to hang at computer stores checking out the boxes of newly > released car-wreck-and-mayhem simulation games? Not that I'm horribly offended, but there are several false assumptions here. When I went to the record store this morning (an activity more acceptable for loudfans, yes?) I saw seven discs taking up a whole row on the New Releases rack with coordinated covers. I checked it out and saw they were differently-themed soundtracks for Grand Theft Auto 3: Vice City. I thought that was a neat idea. Yes, I play video games enough to know that Vice City was coming out and was expected to be a big enough hit that they could do things like that. Sorry about the acronym thing. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:49:58 -0500 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] utterly ns On Tuesday, October 29, 2002, at 11:45 AM, Miles Goosens wrote: > Is PMT actually in GTA:VC somewhere? There's a Tubbs-lookalike > sidekick, but I didn't realize PMT actually guested somewhere in the > game. Checking the liner notes (heh) PMT indeed plays the role of Lance Vance. On Tuesday, Oct 29, 2002 at 2:51 PM, Aaron Mandel wrote: > Whereas the tone of this GTA launch seems to be that of using pop > music as > an actual *soundtrack* rather than an advertising jingle. The hip hop station, in particular, absolutely NAILS the music -- Cybotron, Hashim, Run DMC, Man Parrish, Whodini. Nice. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:56:52 -0700 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: Re: [loud-fans] GTA? WTF? John Cooper wrote: > Holy cow! Am I the only person on the list who didn't know what GTA was? Nope - there were at least two of us. I figured eventually someone would drop a hint... :-) So to keep the wildly off-topic thing going, I am woefully late on the trendy beverage bandwagon, but I've become pitifully addicted to iced chai. I buy the concentrated stuff & mix up pitchers with rice milk, which I find less oppressive than soy. Why am I telling you this? Because the first six glasses I had, I kept saying, "I can't believe nobody told me how good this is!" So just in case you, too, are post-fashionable, consider yourself told. Elizabeth (is the new Ann-Margret!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:01:12 -0500 From: Dave Walker Subject: [loud-fans] Today's other big New Releases (ns) Anyone hear the new Sigur Ros yet? Also, don't forget tonight's commercial-free _24_ premiere... -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:06:22 -0700 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: [Fwd: Re: [loud-fans] GTA? WTF?] This was meant for the list... - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [loud-fans] GTA? WTF? Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:01:34 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" To: elizabeth@fringehead.com >>Holy cow! Am I the only person on the list who didn't know what GTA was? > >Nope - there were at least two of us. I figured eventually someone would >drop a hint... :-) At least three--I would have guessed it was the Game Theory Army or something. Not that I mind when people post about things I have no knowledge of. I learn more about pop culture here than I do anywhere else. _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:27:59 GMT From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re:Re: [loud-fans] GTA? WTF? So to keep the wildly off-topic thing going, I am woefully late on the trendy beverage bandwagon >>>>>>>>>>>>> Just out of curiosity, has the bubble-tea thing hit everywhere? - --dana ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:45:16 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re:Re: [loud-fans] GTA? WTF? On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 dana-boy@juno.com wrote: > Just out of curiosity, has the bubble-tea thing hit everywhere? They serve it at the student commons here. I haven't investigated. Back on topic, sort of, what's on the Tori bonus DVD? The packaging doesn't say, I don't think, though a helpful sticker pointed out that the CD contained lots of songs. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:50:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Pete O." Subject: Re:Re: [loud-fans] GTA? WTF? Apparently... THIS SPECIAL EDITION OF 'SCARLET'S WALK' COMES IN EXTENSIVE LIMITED EDTION PACKAGING, INCLUDING A KEEPSAKE BOX, MAP, CHARM, STICKERS, 12 PERFORATED POLAROIDS, AND A DVD (CONTAINING BEHIND THE SCENES FOOTAGE AND A TORI EPK). - --- Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 dana-boy@juno.com wrote: > > > Just out of curiosity, has the bubble-tea thing hit everywhere? > > They serve it at the student commons here. I haven't investigated. > > Back on topic, sort of, what's on the Tori bonus DVD? The packaging > doesn't say, I don't think, though a helpful sticker pointed out that the > CD contained lots of songs. > > a HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:16:58 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re:Re: [loud-fans] GTA? WTF? At 09:27 PM 10/29/2002 GMT, dana-boy@juno.com wrote: >So to keep the wildly off-topic thing going, I am woefully late on the trendy beverage bandwagon >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >Just out of curiosity, has the bubble-tea thing hit everywhere? I don't think it's quite everywhere yet. It's old hat in the metropolitan centers of Canada (if I recall an article I read a couple years ago, bubble tea actually started as a fad in Vancouver's Chinatown and then spread to Japan and Hong Kong, not the other way around) and easy enough to find in any American city with a significant Asian population -- I can think of three or four places that serve it within walking distance of my house -- but there's no bubble tea in, say, Albuquerque. Salted plum bubble tea is fucking *nasty*. But as long as we're discussing non-musical things that make us happy, let's hear a big ol' round of applause for fall, shall we? Having lived 13 years in a place that goes from the mid-60s straight down to the low 30s with no stops in between, I'm finding the return to a climate that spends a few weeks in between refreshingly novel. S NP: "Pink Lemonade Lady (You're So Sweet)" -- Acid Mothers Temple ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:24:42 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] GTA? WTF? dana-boy@juno.com wrote: > > So to keep the wildly off-topic thing going, I am woefully late on the trendy beverage bandwagon > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Just out of curiosity, has the bubble-tea thing hit everywhere? > > --dana What is bubble-tea? (Obviously it hasn't hit here yet). Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:24:52 -0700 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: [loud-fans] attn language geeks Got one for you. This has been bugging me for a long time. What is the correct (or at least more socially acceptable) spelling of "canceled"? Spell checkers seem to accept both "cancelled" and "canceled". Ditto travelled/traveled. Double L or no Double L? Why? (In 30 words or less, please.) Thanks. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:31:39 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] attn language geeks At 03:24 PM 10/29/2002 -0700, Roger Winston wrote: >Got one for you. This has been bugging me for a long time. > >What is the correct (or at least more socially acceptable) spelling of "canceled"? Spell checkers seem to accept both "cancelled" and "canceled". Ditto travelled/traveled. Double L or no Double L? Why? (In 30 words or less, please.) British English versus American English. The UK form is "travelled," the American "traveled." Why? Damfino. Same reason the Brits consider "colour," "kidnaped" and "judgement" the proper spellings and we don't, I guess. Hurrah for regional variation! Jen: Bubble tea is green or black tea plus (usually) flavoring and (sometimes) milk and these balls of tapioca that are about the size of small marbles. I quite like it, especially the guava and passionfruit versions. S NP: still the Acid Mothers Temple song -- there's a good 45 minutes of it left to go, actually ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:36:23 -0800 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] attn language geeks You wrote: > Got one for you. This has been bugging me for a long time. > > What is the correct (or at least more socially acceptable) spelling of > "canceled"? Spell checkers seem to accept both "cancelled" and "canceled". > Ditto travelled/traveled. Double L or no Double L? Why? (In 30 words or > less, please.) "Cancelled" and "Travelled" conform better to traditional rules of English orthography. "Canceled" and "Traveled" are increasingly considered more correct. I wish it weren't so. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:37:40 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] attn language geeks > "cancelled" and "canceled". Ditto travelled/traveled. Double L or no Double L? > Why? (In 30 words or less, please.) US: "-eled"; UK: "-elled". Now, what am I going to do with the other 26 words? Oops, only 14 left. Wah, now just 10! Ack, six! Four! Running out! Bye! glenn (my name doesn't count as one of the thirty, right?) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:08:16 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] attn language geeks Stewart Mason wrote: > > Jen: Bubble tea is green or black tea plus (usually) flavoring and > (sometimes) milk and these balls of tapioca that are about the size of > small marbles. I quite like it, especially the guava and passionfruit > versions. Wow, that sounds pretty cool! As a tea lover, I'll have to keep an eye out for that. Maybe I will encounter it in my upcoming travels. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:14:47 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] GTA? WTF? At 12:26 PM 10/29/2002 -0800, John Cooper wrote: >Am I the only listmember who never guessed that >many Loudlisters in their 30s actually had time left over after watching the >Gilmore Girls, insulting each other and (in a few cases) maintaining >professional positions and marriages to hang at computer stores checking out >the boxes of newly released car-wreck-and-mayhem simulation games? Hey, I hate GILMORE GIRLS! >Anyway: just wanted to beg for mercy here. I'll >grant that crash-and-shoot games are interesting to large numbers of >intelligent adults (which is fine; I myself go to see James Bond films *in >the theater*) Not to take your post overly seriously (or to claim that playing GRAND THEFT AUTO games is productive), but calling GTA a "crash-and-shoot game" is like calling LOLITA NATION a "pop album" or SPIRITED AWAY a "cartoon" and leaving it at that -- it's not *wrong,* but it also masks the innovation, appeal, and startling level of craftsmanship behind each. You shoot things in DEER HUNTER, you shoot things in GTA, but qualitatively they're about as similar as, oh, SLIPPERY WHEN WET and LOLITA NATION. A big part of the appeal of GRAND THEFT AUTO III and the new VICE CITY installment has to do with the way the games are structured -- or rather, *not* structured. If you don't want to run over pedestrians or do hits for the mob, you're free to boost a taxi or ambulance and spend your time delivering passengers or responding to emergencies. Of course, you're also welcome to run over someone with a car, wait for the paramedics to arrive, then steal the ambulance and run them over with it. And there are so many little bells and whistles from the radio stations to the surprises behind almost every corner, things that reward the careful and attentive fan -- much like there's always something new every time you spin LN or IBC. Not that the GTA games are the first to boast this kind of near-total freedom -- I'd cite Bethesda's ELDER SCROLLS series and the vastly underappreciated DARKLANDS (also an underappreciated Jesus & Mary Chain album) as important predecessors -- but IMO none have done it with the panache and immersiveness of GTA. By the way, when picking up my copy of GTA:VC today, I saw more copies of Cristina Aguilera's new album, STRIPPED, than I've seen of any new release ever. I think we now have the leading candidate for "album most often found in used bins in 2005." later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:17:54 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] GTA? WTF? On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > By the way, when picking up my copy of GTA:VC today, I saw more copies of > Cristina Aguilera's new album, STRIPPED, than I've seen of any new release > ever. I think we now have the leading candidate for "album most often > found in used bins in 2005." Why wait? How about 2003 (or late 2002)? Joe Mallon jmmallon@joescafe.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:26:25 -0700 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: [loud-fans] Assuming somebody or another 'round here knows everything about music... I have a question about Kay Starr. I bought a collection of her music that Cocktail Hour put out and completely fell in love with her voice... but I have no clue what to buy next. Cocktail Hour isn't exactly great on liner notes, so I'm not even sure what era the tracks I have are from. I know she's done some very different styles of music, but it's not totally clear from track listings which ones were when. I'm looking at customer reviews on Amazon, but it's not helping all that much. I have a request from my husband to update my wish list before my birthday next week, so this could be a crucial decision. :-) Anyone know anything at all? Thanks! E (no bubble tea here either) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:45:36 -0500 From: Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] attn language geeks > Stewart Mason wrote: > > > > Jen: Bubble tea is green or black tea plus (usually) flavoring and > > (sometimes) milk and these balls of tapioca that are about > the size of > > small marbles. I quite like it, especially the guava and > passionfruit > > versions. > > Wow, that sounds pretty cool! As a tea lover, I'll have to > keep an eye > out for that. Maybe I will encounter it in my upcoming travels. And as a tapioca lover I'll be on the lookout for bubble tea as well. -julianne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:59:06 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Assuming somebody or another 'round here knows everything about music... At 03:26 PM 10/29/2002 -0700, Elizabeth Brion wrote: >I have a question about Kay Starr. I bought a collection of her music >that Cocktail Hour put out and completely fell in love with her voice... >but I have no clue what to buy next. Cocktail Hour isn't exactly great >on liner notes, so I'm not even sure what era the tracks I have are >from. I know she's done some very different styles of music, but it's >not totally clear from track listings which ones were when. Based on the liner notes from the one Kay Starr album I own, THE ESSENTIAL RCA SINGLES, and a look at her AMG bio, it looks like her career can be broken down as follows: mid-40s: straight-up jazz for tiny indie labels like Lamplighter and Metronome. (There's a collection called THE COMPLETE LAMPLIGHTER RECORDINGS 1945-46 that looks like a winner, because the bandleader is Barney Bigard, best known as Duke Ellington's clarinet player for decades.) 1948-1954: non-jazz pop material with blues, folk and country influences for Capitol, including her biggest hits, "Wheel of Fortune" and "Hoop-De-Doo." (Which I've just learned was written by Johnny Carson's mid-60s musical director, Milton DeLugg, who also wrote the immortal "Hooray For Santy Claus" and the rest of the score for SANTA CLAUS CONQUERS THE MARTIANS.) The best-looking comp I see is the newish THE DEFINITIVE KAY STARR ON CAPITOL. 1955-early 60s: pure pop for RCA Victor: think Perry Como with breasts. THE ESSENTIAL RCA SINGLES is probably as much as you need, but honestly, this is comparatively dire based on what I've heard of Starr's earlier work. My advice would be to get one of the '40s jazz collections (there are apparently also several comps of her earlier years as the chick singer for a variety of big bands) and work forward until you start gagging. S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:17:41 EST From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] attn language geeks In a message dated 10/29/02 6:46:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com writes: > Jen: Bubble tea is green or black tea plus (usually) flavoring and > > > (sometimes) milk and these balls of tapioca that are about > > the size of > > > small marbles. I quite like it, especially the guava and > > passionfruit > > > versions. > > > > Wow, that sounds pretty cool! As a tea lover, I'll have to > > keep an eye > > out for that. Maybe I will encounter it in my upcoming travels. > > And as a tapioca lover I'll be on the lookout for bubble tea as well. > Sounds yummy, as a tea lover myself. I'll have to look around in some of the gourmet food stores and see if I can find it. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:53:24 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] attn language geeks On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, glenn mcdonald wrote: > > "cancelled" and "canceled". Ditto travelled/traveled. Double L or no > Double L? > > Why? (In 30 words or less, please.) > glenn > (my name doesn't count as one of the thirty, right?) No, but I'd count the parenthetical words. Bwah-ha-ha-ha! John's right re orthography - esp. "kidnaped," which should involve the neck. Plus Noah Webster be damned, "judgement" makes way more sense. 30! Jeff Ceci n'est pas une .sig ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:53:58 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] bubble tea so that's what you call that stuff! thanks. i had this ginger/peach black tea thing that was so ginger-y it almost blew the top of my skull off. it was almost enough to keep me warm on the frigid street i was staggering around on at the time. very definitely one of the highlights of my "tour" as lesbian boy jr.'s guitarist-for-hire. i was very surprised by the tapioca thing, though, and i'm relieved to hear definitively, finally, that it was in fact vegetarian. "cancelled" and "traveled" both look "right" to me, although i may get to blame the latter on my work on a travel voucher processing system, which may have indoctrinated me to an inordinate degree in favor of the single ell. of course, i don't hold with the way you yanks write day of month/month combos either. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:29:20 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: [loud-fans] PDL Has anyone seen PUNCH-DRUNK LOVE? Forgive me if we've already discussed it - - I'm too lazy to check the archives. I saw it this weekend. Without saying what I thought (yet), I'm curious as to what others thought of the music... People with the last name of Brion are not allowed to reply to this thread. Sorry. Oh, the movie itself was weird but entertaining. I had a lot of problems with the Emily Watson character (why why why?), but I strangely did not want to kill Adam Sandler, for once. Good thing it was a short movie though. One guy in the front row obviously thought this was a "real" Adam Sandler movie and kept laughing hysterically at everything he did. It felt weird to be in a theater watching a movie where someone *else* in the audience was from another planet instead of me. BTW, I like the new Apples In Stereo CD. So there. Though at what point did Robert Schneider decide he wanted to sound like Mitch Easter (vocally)? Did I miss the memo? Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:46:25 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] GTA? WTF? At Tuesday 10/29/2002 05:14 PM -0600, Miles Goosens wrote: >Hey, I hate GILMORE GIRLS! And as a fellow David E. Kelley hater, you'll be happy to hear that it looks like gIRLS cLUB is on the chopping block. >A big part of the appeal of GRAND THEFT AUTO III and the new VICE CITY >installment has to do with the way the games are structured -- or rather, >*not* structured. If you don't want to run over pedestrians or do hits >for the mob, you're free to boost a taxi or ambulance and spend your time >delivering passengers or responding to emergencies. Of course, you're >also welcome to run over someone with a car, wait for the paramedics to >arrive, then steal the ambulance and run them over with it. And there are >so many little bells and whistles from the radio stations to the surprises >behind almost every corner, things that reward the careful and attentive >fan -- much like there's always something new every time you spin LN or IBC. You forgot to mention the prostitutes. And the insane jumps. And the trains. I haven't been much for video games the past decade or so, but I am totally addicted to GTA. I just love the freedom and the vastness of it. It's a great stress reliever after a long, hard day at the office. Although it does kind of make you want to drive on the sidewalk and such when getting behind the wheel of a real car. Speaking of things that really shouldn't entertain me but do anyway, this week's Curb Your Enthusiasm had me peeing my pants with laughter during that scene where Susie is cussing Larry out for what he did to her daughter. I couldn't see through the tears. This week's Sopranos had an interesting ending also. I live for TV (both interactive and non-interactive), Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:29:06 -0500 From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Bubble Tea > Jen: Bubble tea is green or black tea plus (usually) flavoring and > (sometimes) milk and these balls of tapioca that are about the size of > small marbles. I quite like it, especially the guava and passionfruit > versions. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The one aspect of it that Stewart leaves out is the oversized straw that allows said tapioca balls to come rocketing up into your mouth/throat/lungs whenever you stop paying attention to your drinking. My favorite flavor is the almond, but I've yet to meet a bubble tea I didn't like. Do not go to see Ring, then come home and listen to "( )" in an empty house. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:01:06 -0500 From: "Elizabeth Brion" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] PDL Roger Winston wrote: > Has anyone seen PUNCH-DRUNK LOVE? Forgive me if we've already discussed it > - I'm too lazy to check the archives. I saw it this weekend. Without > saying what I thought (yet), I'm curious as to what others thought of the > music... > > People with the last name of Brion are not allowed to reply to this > thread. Sorry. Aww, MAN! Oh, what the hell, I'm a rebel. I have only one thing to say about the music: Maybe it was the theater we saw it in, but it was far less jarring and/or overwhelming than I'd been led to believe it would be from various reviews. Otherwise, I had no strong feelings about it either way. I did really, really like the movie. Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:37:54 -0800 From: "Jo Brown" Subject: Fw: [loud-fans] GTA? WTF? Whoa, Miles. That GTA endorsement almost has me sold. Sounds like a rip-roaring good time, dammit! Calling all loud-gamers: Don't let the JDC's psuedo-high-minded ribbing fool you--he's been known to stay up until all hours conquering his share of electronic foes. Methinks he was just cranky because he procrastinated on homework ... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miles Goosens" To: "quercian rosicrucian psychobabble" Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] GTA? WTF? > At 12:26 PM 10/29/2002 -0800, John Cooper wrote: > >Am I the only listmember who never guessed that > >many Loudlisters in their 30s actually had time left over after watching the > >Gilmore Girls, insulting each other and (in a few cases) maintaining > >professional positions and marriages to hang at computer stores checking out > >the boxes of newly released car-wreck-and-mayhem simulation games? > > Hey, I hate GILMORE GIRLS! > > >Anyway: just wanted to beg for mercy here. I'll > >grant that crash-and-shoot games are interesting to large numbers of > >intelligent adults (which is fine; I myself go to see James Bond films *in > >the theater*) > > Not to take your post overly seriously (or to claim that playing GRAND > THEFT AUTO games is productive), > but calling GTA a "crash-and-shoot game" is like calling LOLITA NATION a > "pop album" or SPIRITED AWAY a "cartoon" and leaving it at that -- it's not > *wrong,* but it also masks the innovation, appeal, and startling level of > craftsmanship behind each. You shoot things in DEER HUNTER, you shoot > things in GTA, but qualitatively they're about as similar as, oh, SLIPPERY > WHEN WET and LOLITA NATION. > > A big part of the appeal of GRAND THEFT AUTO III and the new VICE CITY > installment has to do with the way the games are structured -- or rather, > *not* structured. If you don't want to run over pedestrians or do hits for > the mob, you're free to boost a taxi or ambulance and spend your time > delivering passengers or responding to emergencies. Of course, you're also > welcome to run over someone with a car, wait for the paramedics to arrive, > then steal the ambulance and run them over with it. And there are so many > little bells and whistles from the radio stations to the surprises behind > almost every corner, things that reward the careful and attentive fan -- > much like there's always something new every time you spin LN or IBC. > > Not that the GTA games are the first to boast this kind of near-total > freedom -- I'd cite Bethesda's ELDER SCROLLS series and the vastly > underappreciated DARKLANDS (also an underappreciated Jesus & Mary Chain > album) as important predecessors -- but IMO none have done it with the > panache and immersiveness of GTA. > > By the way, when picking up my copy of GTA:VC today, I saw more copies of > Cristina Aguilera's new album, STRIPPED, than I've seen of any new release > ever. I think we now have the leading candidate for "album most often > found in used bins in 2005." > > later, > > Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:39:14 EST From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] utterly ns In a message dated 10/29/02 3:42:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, rwinston@tde.com writes: > I can't wait to try the pizza delivery missions. And no, that wasn't a slam > at you, Mr. Staples. I sure hope they have some good tippers in that city. > > I just got a nine dollar tip on Sunday, which was great (happens maybe once every month or so), but usually it is a dollar and some change to about three a run. I read the first three chapters of _Snow Crash_ today and really enjoyed the concept of the "Deliverator," (which makes me think of "The Tooncinator" from SNL) though I find it difficult to imagine my Suzuki Swift as that sleek "black lozenge" in SC. My uniform could never be the tough, black, ninja-like number our hero in the book wears (I refuse to wear the goober Domino's hat anywhere except in the store, where I have to). Oh, that 30 minutes deal in _Snow Crash_ and with Domino's ended probably about ten years ago, after that guy ran over that kid and Domino's changed their policy (spending huge amounts in reparative PR...I studied the case in a college PR class), which is good, 'cause if they still had that policy I certainly wouldn't be working for them. Too stressful. How do you spell Zantac? I'm not known for speed, just dependability, - -Mark S. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #379 *******************************