From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #375 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, October 26 2002 Volume 02 : Number 375 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] sakamoto help [jenny grover ] [loud-fans] please be the Grays and not Little Village... [] Re: [loud-fans] John Cunningham (ns) [Stewart Mason ] [loud-fans] Boxes ["richblath" ] Re: [loud-fans] Top Ten and movies [Dave Walker ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 04:28:00 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: [loud-fans] sakamoto help I'm trying to find out what an old Riuichi Sakamoto song is, and I'm not having much luck. I'm almost certain it's pre-'85, and it's not Yellow Magic Orchestra. Key lyrics in the chorus are, "How many times have I asked myself/is your reflection for real?" Anyone know? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 9:51:44 +0000 From: Subject: [loud-fans] please be the Grays and not Little Village... From http://launch.yahoo.com/ 'Rock singer-songwriters Matthew Sweet, Shawn Mullins, and Pete Droge have started working on their first group album with producer Brendan O'Brien in Atlanta. Each member of the trio has enjoyed hits on his own, and they decided to start a band earlier this year and named the collective Thorns. However, a copyright search revealed a British heavy metal band with the same name, so the band moniker is up in the air until they can find out whether or not the U.K. group still exists. Sessions began Tuesday (October 22) and the resulting album is expected out in the first half of 2003 via Aware/Columbia Records. Sweet guested earlier this year on the Counting Crows album, Hard Candy, while Droge assisted singer-songwriter Kim Richey on her new effort, Rise.' peace & love phil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:45:51 GMT From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] John Cunningham (ns) Ever since the Fugu album, Mr. Cunningham has been on my list of people to investigate more thoroughly. Emusic recently posted a track off of his new album, and it's pretty great, sounding an awful lot like a lost McCartney/Wings track. Any advice on items from his early catalog to pick up? I see Prefab Sprout comparisons, and I'm not a great fan of that band. On the other hand, I also saw a Shack/Talk Talk comparison for one of his early records, and the thought of pop songs with Talk Talk production gets my notice. (Can't throw a cat on Allmusic without hitting a Stewart Mason review these days!!) - --dana ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:47:19 -0400 From: jsharple@brooklaw.edu Subject: [loud-fans] crappy children's art This links to a plain ole web page, no Flash or pop-ups or whatnot. Contains: humor. http://maddox.jadebuddha.com/irule.html Enjoy, JS - ------------------------------- This mail sent through Brooklyn Law School WebMail http://www.brooklaw.edu/webmail - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:46:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil Fleming Subject: Re: [loud-fans] please be the Grays and not Little Village... Good to see it's finally happening. I'd much rather get a Matthew Sweet record, but I'll take what I can get. From one Phil to the other, Phil F. NP... The Thungs II - --- phil.gerrard@ntlworld.com wrote: > From http://launch.yahoo.com/ > > 'Rock singer-songwriters Matthew Sweet, Shawn > Mullins, and Pete Droge have started working on > their first group album with producer Brendan > O'Brien in Atlanta. Each member of the trio has > enjoyed hits on his own, and they decided to start a > band earlier this year and named the collective > Thorns. However, a copyright search revealed a > British heavy metal band with the same name, so the > band moniker is up in the air until they can find > out whether or not the U.K. group still exists. > Sessions began Tuesday (October 22) and the > resulting album is expected out in the first half of > 2003 via Aware/Columbia Records. Sweet guested > earlier this year on the Counting Crows album, Hard > Candy, while Droge assisted singer-songwriter Kim > Richey on her new effort, Rise.' > > peace & love > > phil Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:02:36 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] My Top 10 >Is anyone tabulating these? That's a great idea, and I suspect the usual suspects would be up to it. (cue usual suspects) Another idea: would everybody please type in their lists at the Q magazine site? I think that'd be really cool, and fun to talk about when their results pop up. 1. Meat Loaf--BAT OUT OF HELL 2. Van Morrison--ASTRAL WEEKS 3. The Beatles--REVOLVER 4. Captain Beefheart And His Magic Band--TROUT MASK REPLICA 5. Television--MARQUEE MOON 6. The Ramones--ROCKET TO RUSSIA 7. The Dickies--STUKAS OVER DISNEYLAND (vinyl or tape preferred, but that's mostly because I've never had the CD) 8. Question Mark And The Mysterians--96 TEARS FOREVER: THE DALLAS REUNION TAPE 9. The Modern Lovers--THE MODERN LOVERS 10. Rod Stewart--EVERY PICTURE TELLS A STORY Chumming the fog of the last time I did this a decade or so ago, I see I've dropped Steppenwolf's SKULLDUGGERY (still a heartfelt platter to me), elevated THE MODERN LOVERS, moved titles up and down. The above makes sense to me, though. The two albums which most devastate and fascinate me emotionally, followed by the pinnacle of conventional rock and roll, followed by the pinnacle of conventional rock and roll in the antimatter universe, followed by the pinnacle of guitar rock, followed by the respective pinnacles of the Ramones and the Dickies (how I styled myself in high school vs. how I actually came out in high school), followed by one of the most amazing live albums, followed by Jonathan and his critical, surprisingly adult message of sincerity and vulnerability, followed by the heartfelt crudities of Rod. A list of the Top Ten records I've discovered since 1994, though, would go something like this: 1. Johnny Cash--AMERICAN RECORDINGS 2. Scott Walker--TILT 3. The Loud Family--INTERBABE CONCERN 4. Royal Trux--THANK YOU 5. Mary Lou Lord--GOT NO SHADOW 6. Talk Talk--SPIRIT OF EDEN 7. Gary Numan--EXILE EXTENDED 8. The Loud Family--ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE 9. The Shaggs--PHILOSOPHY OF THE WORLD 10. Jandek--PUT MY DREAM ON THIS PLANET Knowing Atlantic City mostly from the Bruce song, Andy Why would we take a break from our original bands to play in a "pseudo-group" (aka a tribute band)--when we could sit on our high horse bemoaning the lost innocence of art? Hmmmm, let's see. Your show: After calling for months, you book a Tuesday by lying about your anticipated crowd. Our show: We call once and describe our "act." They laugh and book us for a Saturday. Your show: You call and beg everyone you know to come watch you "headline" at midnight on a school night. Two people show up. Our show: We call no one. A crowd of 300 shows up. Your show: You sing excerpts from your diary while staring at your feet. You end the song, tear on cheek, to clinking glasses. Your girlfriend stops talking to applaud alone. Our show: We play songs that someone else wrote, and the audience sings along. Girls run onstage to be spanked and flash their breasts. Your show: Afterward, the club presents their payout invoice showing that after paying for sound and posters, you made nothing. Your girlfriend holds you while you complain. Our show: We make great money, which we immediately squander on a coked-out boozefest with our fans. Our girlfriends hold the video camera. Your show: We have all been there, and probably will be again. Our show: Reminds us that we started playing music to have fun. We learn that people have grown bored with hipster angst and want to be entertained. The nostalgia we exploit isn't for the bands, but for the time when it was cool to enjoy yourself. While you're feeling high on righteous indignation (and who hasn't?), consider this: Symphony orchestras are cover bands. Jazz musicians improvise over cover tunes. Even Van Halen started out as a cover band. It is heartbreaking to put your soul on the line and not succeed. We feel for you. Rather than taking the blame for not promoting yourself aggressively, we agree that it is better to blame the fans. Stupid, stupid fans--you suck! [--written by "Mandonna" for The Stranger's revolving-writer "The Band" column, http://www.thestranger.com/current/music7.html ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:20:40 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] John Cunningham (ns) At 01:45 PM 10/25/2002 GMT, dana-boy@juno.com wrote: >Ever since the Fugu album, Mr. Cunningham has been on my list of >people to investigate more thoroughly. Emusic recently posted a >track off of his new album, and it's pretty great, sounding an awful >lot like a lost McCartney/Wings track. Any advice on items from his >early catalog to pick up? I see Prefab Sprout comparisons, and I'm >not a great fan of that band. On the other hand, I also saw a >Shack/Talk Talk comparison for one of his early records, and the >thought of pop songs with Talk Talk production gets my notice. With the exception of his first EP, BACKWARDS STEPS (which is nothing-special '80s indie guitar jangle), all of Cunningham's albums are of a piece, and if you like one of them, you'll like all of them. However, you'll need both luck and money to find any of them, since they're French-only releases on a label that I believe no longer exists. > >(Can't throw a cat on Allmusic without hitting a Stewart Mason review >these days!!) But it'll be years before I'm as omnipresent as Jason Ankeny, who I'm pretty sure has written a good third of all reviews on the site. S NP: McCARTHY -- Helms ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:43:29 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] coming of age with Dr. Jacoby Every time I see Y TU MAMA TAMBIEN in passing, I always read it as YO MAMA, RUSS TAMBLYN! just Riffing, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:33:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] Buffy Alert! (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:54:35 GMT From: bohunk Subject: Buffy Alert! See http://www.tvguide.com/newsgossip/insider/021025a.asp for an article on Joss Whedon speculating that this will be the last season of slayage. T --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email at http://quickmail.quickhosts.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 17:21:04 -0400 From: jsharple@brooklaw.edu Subject: [loud-fans] Chandler Travis (was John Cunningham) Quoting dana-boy@juno.com: > (Can't throw a cat on Allmusic without hitting a Stewart Mason review these > days!!) And before Dana posted this I was all set to tell this story: the other day I was browsing AMG and was surprised to see that an old friend of mine from when I lived in Boston, Chandler Travis, is credited as an engineer on LOST IN SPACE. Chandler is a fascinating fixture on the Eastern Mass. rock scene - I knew him because my old band was for some reason always being put on the same bill as Travis' band The Incredible Casuals (which included Johnny Spampinato, Joey's brother, who later replaced Big Al in NRBQ). Anyhoo, I click on Chandler's link and I'm astonished and delighted to read an extensive and fascinating bio of the man, including tons of stuff I never knew. It didn't even occurr to me that it might be written by Our Stewart, but it was, which actually figures given his excellent Christmas bio (and certainly explains all those R. Stevie references!). So, what gives, Stewart, do you have the Oddball New England Fringe Music Scene beat? Where'd you dig up all the data on Chandler? If you have his email, could you please send it to me off list? Gosh, I haven't seen Chandler in a couple of years, but he actually came through here with his new band and played a terrific set at the Mercury Lounge. Worth checking out if you get the chance. It is balloon, JS - ------------------------------- This mail sent through Brooklyn Law School WebMail http://www.brooklaw.edu/webmail - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:35:31 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Top Ten and movies At 04:40 PM 10/22/2002 -0700, Douglas Stanley wrote: >I saw 'Spirited Away' this weekend too. We all loved it (including the >four-year-old). It's pretty wild - I can't think of anything I've seen that >could compare to it. Couple that with the Donnie Darko DVD I rented and it >was quite a twisted cinematic weekend. But how many people, especially those sans offspring, are going to see both POKEMON 4EVER and (yay, it's finally hit Nashville!) IGBY GOES DOWN on the same weekend? (Or ever, for that matter?) Dana and Shari have to be the only other probables in this category. We too saw SPIRITED AWAY last weekend, and were thoroughly won over. No surprise, given how much we loved PRINCESS MONONOKE and MY NEIGHBOR TOTORO (TOTORO Region 1 DVD on December 3rd!). We liked that the "message" subtext was much more subtextual than in PRINCESS MONONOKE, but that's hardly a complaint about the latter. But hoo boy, just try describing SPIRITED AWAY to your coworkers! "There was this boy, who was a dragon, who was a river spirit, and there was this stink-spirit who was a river spirit, and there was this giant baby, and..." later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 17:42:58 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Spirited Away (was Top Ten and movies) On Friday, October 25, 2002, at 04:35 PM, Miles Goosens wrote: > We too saw SPIRITED AWAY last weekend, and were thoroughly won over. > No surprise, given how much we loved PRINCESS MONONOKE and MY NEIGHBOR > TOTORO (TOTORO Region 1 DVD on December 3rd!). We liked that the > "message" subtext was much more subtextual than in PRINCESS MONONOKE, > but that's hardly a complaint about the latter. But hoo boy, just try > describing SPIRITED AWAY to your coworkers! "There was this boy, who > was a dragon, who was a river spirit, and there was this stink-spirit > who was a river spirit, and there was this giant baby, and..." If Spirited Away has been showing in your area and you've been thinking about going, it might not be a bad idea to go this week. Word is that Disney will not be making any more prints and might shift the existing ones to other markets. This is a rough guide to current theaters - http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/sen/theaters.php The upcoming Tototo DVD is the Fox pan & scan version, but the dub is good and the price won't be too much. Rights revert to Disney in 2004, and there's hope that the Disney/Ghibli deal requires the original picture ratios for DVD releases. Another Studio Ghibli film, Grave Of The Fireflies, has just been re-released as a 2 disc set. It's not necessarily a children's film. - - Steve __________ Our previous president studied at Oxford. This one was given a sightseeing tour of London and said it was ''diverse and clean.'' The Times also said Bush gave a ''pep talk'' to children about the advantages of reading over television. The children did not ask him to name the last book he had read. Just good manners, I guess. - Roger Ebert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:28:52 +0100 From: "richblath" Subject: [loud-fans] Top 10 After kicking off that round of publication I thought I should add my own list, with the revision process almost finished. This comes with all the previously mentioned provisos for other times and places. 1. HEYDAY - The Church 2. WEEPS - Daryll-Ann 3. BIG SHOT CHRONICLES - Game Theory 4. THE IDEAL CRASH - dEUS 5. FOREVER CHANGES - Love 6. BORN SANDY DEVOTIONAL - The Triffids 7. THE MEDICINE SHOW - The Dream Syndicate 8. PET SOUNDS - The Beach Boys 9. NATIVE SONS - The Long Ryders 10. s/t - The Stone Roses and the next 10... 11. TREELESS PLAIN - The Triffids 12. RO SHAM BO - The Grays 13. INTERBABE CONCERN - The Loud Family 14. GRACE - Jeff Buckley 15. KONTIKI - Cotton Mather 16. LAUGHING DOWN THE LIMEHOUSE - Anastasia Screamed 17. THE SPLENDOUR OF FEAR - Felt 18. AUGUST AND EVERYTHING AFTER - Counting Crows 19. MASSACHUSETTS - Scud Mountain Boys 20. NOBODY'S COOL - Lotion. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:18:28 +0100 From: "richblath" Subject: [loud-fans] Boxes Just got my copy of the new J Mascis album and thought I was going to have the usual fun with one of those sticky strips beloved of folks on this list, as the album info was noted on the top spine. Then I discovered that said info was in fact on all 4 edges of the case and that I'd found my 1st CD packaged in a (fanfare please...) SUPER JEWEL BOX!! This features rounder corners and a slightly thicker feel - though it is in fact no deeper than an ordinary jewel case. Anyone else come across any of these? Is it only City Slang releases? Richard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:19:02 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Top Ten and movies On Friday, October 25, 2002, at 05:35 PM, Miles Goosens wrote: > But how many people, especially those sans offspring, are going to see > both POKEMON 4EVER and (yay, it's finally hit Nashville!) IGBY GOES > DOWN on the same weekend? (Or ever, for that matter?) Dana and Shari > have to be the only other probables in this category. Has anyone else here seen _The Ring_? Creepiest mainstream film since _Se7en_, I think. I guess it's doing (deservedly) good box office, too. -d.w. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #375 *******************************