From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #373 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, October 24 2002 Volume 02 : Number 373 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Exercises in journalism (fwd) [Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com] [loud-fans] virtual Buffy list (was: opera?) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey <] Re: [loud-fans] I don't know if it's real, but... [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeff] [loud-fans] The Annotated Mark Staples (vers. 2.0) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jef] Re: [loud-fans] The Annotated Mark Staples (vers. 2.0) ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] The Annotated Mark Staples (vers. 2.0) [Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Exercises in journalism (fwd) Sent by: owner-loud-fans@s moe.org 10/23/02 04:29 PM On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, jenny grover wrote: > Stewart Mason wrote: > > > > The "No Shit, Sherlock" headline of the year: > > > > http://www2.bostonherald.com/news/national/prof10232002.htm > > "S.T.A.L.K. (System to Apprehend Lethal Killers) > > So, are there non-lethal killers? Well, there's Jerry Lee Lewis, the Alice Cooper album... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:01:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] virtual Buffy list (was: opera?) On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Roger Winston wrote: > ...and chatting it up with some evil thing who can apparently turn into > all other evil (and not so evil) things. Oh yeah: I'd forgotten about Big Shifty. > [tvgush] > Wasn't last night's Buffy just the *best*? uh, no... > Anya's (and Olaf's) backstory, bunnies, long sessions of subtitled > Swedish (Norwegian?) dialog This, though, was priceless: I loved the old, scratchy film stock - as if the further back the flashback, the older the "film"... But they never did explain why Anya now hates bunnies so...they were no problem for her then. > the Once More With Feeling redux (including the precursor to the > Mustard Song) As I said to Miles offlist, I smell outtake: would they really hire an arranger, contract an orchestra, etc., just for two minutes of song? (Is it on the soundtrack album? If so, obviously outtake...) Willow/D'Hofrin exchange ("so-and-so has your picture on his bathroom wall") D'Hoffrin's great - even though when I first heard his name, I thought it was a brand of cough syrup (New Bayer Tehofren(tm) - take vengeance on your cough!) > whole thing, even when killing people. I felt the resolution was a > copout, but I'm glad it went that way. Which resolution? You mean that Anya didn't get keelt? That Xan and she semi-reconciled? That Anya was all remorseful-like? The last, at least, was amply prepared for (maybe too amply) - and actually, I kinda saw Xander's point re not needing to *kill* Anya. Buffy was pretty savage - I wonder if that doesn't bode ill. And hey - I'm glad they're giving Dawn something to do this season besides snivel. But the reason I said "uh, no..." above is that somehow, as a whole the ep seemed a bit scattered, arbitrary. And as much fun as it was, Anya's song was a big part of that impression: as a momentary brain-flashback, it was too long, the lyrics had little to do w/the current plot/situation, which was another reason I felt it was an outtake. And the Russian bit...(which no one's mentioned)? Eh...again, felt like padding. If it was a first-time writer, he or she (forgot to look at the credits) apparently wrote a forty-minute episode instead of forty-four or however long the actual episodes run sans commercials these days. Thus the song and the really kinda pointless Russian bit. After remember all that stuff from _Buffy_ and _Angel_ (and _Gilmore Girls_, in an offlist post), apparently my brain has fried itself to the extent that I can't remember what the teaser was last night. Help me out here... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Never drive a car when you're dead:: __Tom Waits__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:02:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] I don't know if it's real, but... On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, me wrote: > now, the chick on http://namesecure.com right now is Photoshop-ed. i, uh, > happen to know the "artist". ahem. It's one of the Lornettes! - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Never drive a car when you're dead:: __Tom Waits__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:17:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] The Annotated Mark Staples (vers. 2.0) On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > Ravi Zacharias Isn't that the name of the "20th Passenger"? > has this great radio program called "Let My People Think" Wait a minute - isn't that thinking *for* them then? Sorta like: why aren't all "self-help" books blank? > that I listen to and I wanted to suggest you guys check out one of his > programs on his website. > He's a Christian apologist that would not insult the intelligence of > this list. Well, being insulting isn't very Christian, now is it. > I could listen to the man for hours. > He's definitely not a dim bulb. But I kinda like the hum those dim bulbs make - and then when they burn out, sometimes you can hear this cool little *bzzzt* just before they die. Just as soon as I finish this post, I'm going to go and wait for a bulb to die. Well, after I finish my epic poem about punctuation and time signatures. > His new book is called _Sense and Sensuality_ by Jane Austen Powers > it is an imaginary conversation between Jesus Christ and Oscar Wilde, > and I'm asking Santa for it this year. I misread that as "Satan" the first time - now *that* would be an interesting conversation. My theory is that Wilde and Christ would duke it out to see which one gets to dress up like Santa. ["Uh, we're sorry - but MST3K's been off the air for several years, and no we're not auditioning for an online version."] - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, bending to the will of the people J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::No man is an island. ::But if you take a bunch of dead guys and tie 'em together, ::they make a pretty good raft. __Max Cannon__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:21:05 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Annotated Mark Staples (vers. 2.0) From: "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" don't you have anything to do today?!?! heh heh... pretty funny, tho. - -- It's well known that if you take a lot of random noise, you can find chance patterns in it, and the Net makes it easier to collect random noise. Dr. James M. Robins, Professor of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at Harvard - -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:41:21 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: [loud-fans] FW: State slogans (absolutely NS, but several music jokes) Alabama: We've Forgotten What We Want Neil Young to Remember Alaska: If Mobil Gets Anywhere Near Here, We 'Discover' that the Caribou Need Disneyland, Too Arizona: What Do You Mean, Martin Luther King Jr. Didn't Invent Daylight Savings Time? California: Statistically, the Big One Probably Won't Hit While You're Visiting Colorado: John Denver Is Dead, So Stop Singing That Damn Coors Song Already Connecticut: Spell Our Name Wrong One More Time, We're Canceling Your Life Insurance Delaware: No, We've Never Heard 'Delawhere?' Before. Very Clever. Florida: State Administrator Please Write State Motto Here in Black Ink and Return by 7/4/1976. Georgia: Everybody Hurts Sometime Hawaii: If We Really Wanted Company, Why Would We Be Living Out Here on a Bunch of Smoldering Volcanoes in the Middle of the Ocean? Idaho: Your Armed-Stand-Off HQ Illinois: The State With Chicago In It Indiana: Not the State With Chicago In It Iowa: Because After We Drew the Other 49 States There Was a Bit Left Over in the Middle Kansas: You're Still in Kansas Anymore Kansas (alternate): How Far [violin solo] to Colorado? Kentucky: Bring a Banjo and Stay Awhile Louisiana: If You're Not Sure Whether It's Mardi Gras or a Jazz Funeral, Please Ask Before Showing Tits Maine: Eagerly Waiting to Serve You at LLBean.com. Don't Make Us Hint Twice. Maryland: The State Washington DC Would Be In If We Hadn't Thought Quickly Massachusetts: 5.95% Tax Rate, 5.95% Kennedys; Coincidence? Michigan: The Little Mitten Is Part of It, Too Minnesota: The World's Largest Shopping Mall, the MetroDome, and Lots More Non-Cold-as-Hell Indoors Mississippi: The Hardest Word Even You Can Spell Missouri: Missouri Loves Company Montana: We Honor All Idaho Armed-Stand-Off Coupons Nebraska: You're Finally Not in Kansas Anymore Nevada: Welcome to Las Vegas International Airport. Please Empty Your Pockets Into the Little Plastic Bucket That Sigfried or Roy Hands You, and Then Turn Around and Get Back on the Airplane. New Hampshire: If We Wanted You to Come See the Rest of Our State, Why Do You Think We Put the Tax-Free Liquor Stores Right at the Border? New Jersey: Without Us, the Crap You Eat Would Taste Like It New Mexico: Remember When You Were Kids and Used to Make Little Mud Huts for Your Pretend Friends? Thanks. New York: NY[clubs]U North Carolina: Strom Thurmond Is From the Other One North Dakota: Four Heads Are Better Than No Tourist Attractions at All. Unfortunately. Ohio: See Also Iowa. Oklahoma: We're Just the State That Can't Spell 'No' Oregon: Where Pumping Is 'Skilled Labor' Pennsylvania: The Flawed Metalwork State Rhode Island: The Part of Cape Cod Nobody Visits South Carolina: Strom Thurmond Is From the Other One South Dakota: Where Gutzon Borglum Isn't Just a Lord-of-the-Rings Character Tennessee: Welcome to Fake-Country Country Texas: You Don't See Anybody Tunneling *Out* of Texas With Their Bare Hands, Do You? Utah: The Promised Fetid Limbo Until We Can Go Back to the Promised Land Utah (alternate): BYO Caffeine, Ethnic Diversity and Sense of Humor Vermont: Stay Where You Are; We'll Send the 'Good' Maple Syrup Down in Trucks Virginia: Don't Be Nervous Microsoft State (formerly known as Washington): Where Do You Want to Have Expresso (sic) While It's Raining Today? Washington, D.C.: Every Time New York State Looks at Maryland and Us, and Then NYC, They Kick Themselves West Virginia: No Banjo, No Problem Wisconsin: The Rest of the Little Mitten Wyoming: Gateway to Nowhere Wyoming (alternate): We May Not Be the First State You Think of for Armed Stand-Offs, But We've Got Some New Ideas That We Think You're Going to Like ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:46:33 EDT From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] FW: State slogans (absolutely NS, but several music jokes) In a message dated 10/23/02 4:41:20 PM, glenn@furia.com writes: a few funny ones in there indeed, but...... << North Dakota: Four Heads Are Better Than No Tourist Attractions at All. >> Mt. Rushmore is in South Dakota...... Left ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:49:55 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] FW: State slogans (absolutely NS, but several music jokes) > > << North Dakota: Four Heads Are Better Than No Tourist Attractions at All. >> > Mt. Rushmore is in South Dakota...... I think that's the joke. Virginia's the one I didn't get. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:55:56 EDT From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] FW: State slogans (absolutely NS, but several music jokes) In a message dated 10/23/02 4:49:27 PM, glenn@furia.com writes: << > > << North Dakota: Four Heads Are Better Than No Tourist Attractions at All. >> > Mt. Rushmore is in South Dakota...... I think that's the joke. Virginia's the one I didn't get. >> OK, well, then I don't get it. Left ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:56:21 EDT From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] FW: State slogans (absolutely NS, but several music jokes) In a message dated 10/23/02 4:49:27 PM, glenn@furia.com writes: << > << North Dakota: Four Heads Are Better Than No Tourist Attractions at All. >> > Mt. Rushmore is in South Dakota...... I think that's the joke. Virginia's the one I didn't get. >> alright..I get it..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:00:21 -0700 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Misc responses Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Aaron Milenski wrote: > > But the more I think about it, the more I think about The Obnoxious > Neighbor, The Angry Spouse, The Even-More-Eccentric-Than-Usual-Even- > for-Gilmore-Girls Decor, the Oddly Helpless Rory, the Guy who Seemed to Be > Witty and Charming who Somehow Turned into a Drone over a Commercial > Break, and the Good Lord, Put Him on Decaf! Grandpa G., the more I surmise > the recent presence of incontinent antelopes. I thought it was funny in places, but other than Jess actually doing a nice thing, I'm not sure how any of the ongoing plots were advanced, or that any of the new plots introduced need to be advanced. However, I've gotta say: the Obnoxious Neighbor was a non-exaggerated version of about 2% of the male customers I've encountered in my various record store jobs. They're all that general physical type, and they accost you and give you their entire life stories in this LOUD but super-friendly way that makes it hard to just scream, "Shut UP!!" at them. It's terrifying. Just yesterday, I had one come in and show me his new shoes, telling me - did I say loudly? - that he's "trying to figure out what turns on lovely ladies like yourself." In other news, I've been fascinated by how identical Mr. Sharples' take on Aimee Mann's career is to mine, and am considering forwarding to him all future emails that I get wanting to debate the point. :-) E ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:34:19 EDT From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Misc responses In a message dated 10/23/02 5:02:36 PM, elizabeth@fringehead.com writes: << Just yesterday, I had one come in and show me his new shoes, telling me - did I say loudly? - that he's "trying to figure out what turns on lovely ladies like yourself." >> ack....I didn't know anyone else was using that line. Left ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:55:43 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] virtual Buffy list (was: opera?) At Wednesday 10/23/2002 05:01 PM -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >This, though, was priceless: I loved the old, scratchy film stock - as if >the further back the flashback, the older the "film"... My initial take on that was that it was trying for an old Ingmar Bergman look...you know, with the setting and all. But then I guess it would've had to have been in black & white. >But they never did explain why Anya now hates bunnies so...they were no >problem for her then. It's better left a mystery for now. I think that's one of the reveals they'll spring on us when we least expect it. It's probably the key to *everything*. >As I said to Miles offlist, I smell outtake: would they really hire an >arranger, contract an orchestra, etc., just for two minutes of song? (Is >it on the soundtrack album? If so, obviously outtake...) It's not on the OMWF soundtrack. And it looks like it was filmed for this episode, since Anya's hair color/length/style was way different from what it was in OMWF. Heck, it was different from what it is *now*. I couldn't figure that one out at all. I suspect it was written by Whedon at the same time as the other songs, but he just couldn't fit it in and so didn't even record it back then. It wouldn't be that hard to get the same orchestra (or whatever) that is doing the general episode soundtrack to do the backing for that tune, I would think. So, I think it was half-"outtake", half-original. >Which resolution? You mean that Anya didn't get keelt? That Xan and she >semi-reconciled? That Anya was all remorseful-like? The first, which the others kind of follow from. It was kinda lame that D'Hoffrin suddenly somehow decided that Halfrek would pay Anya's price. Though I'm sure glad Anya is still around rather than Halfrek. >And hey - I'm glad they're giving Dawn something to do this season besides >snivel. They do have to prepare for the eventual changeover... >But the reason I said "uh, no..." above is that somehow, as a whole the ep >seemed a bit scattered, arbitrary. And as much fun as it was, Anya's song >was a big part of that impression: as a momentary brain-flashback, it was >too long, the lyrics had little to do w/the current plot/situation, which >was another reason I felt it was an outtake. Aside from the fact that the song was not very good (I can see why it was an "outtake"), I liked the fact that it was there. One theory I have was that the entire episode was built around the song rather than the other way around... >And the Russian bit...(which >no one's mentioned)? Eh...again, felt like padding. That was necessary to show Anya in full past-demon mode. And to hint at her love of capitalism. And to remind us of her relationship with Halfrek. 'Sides, it was damn funny! >If it was a first-time writer, he or she (forgot to look at the credits) >apparently wrote a forty-minute episode instead of forty-four or however >long the actual episodes run sans commercials these days. Thus the song >and the really kinda pointless Russian bit. Well, I really liked the scattered-ness of it. It showed pretty much every single entertaining facet of the show in one 45-minute chunk. Almost like a Buffy primer or smorgasbord. >After remember all that stuff from _Buffy_ and _Angel_ (and _Gilmore >Girls_, in an offlist post), apparently my brain has fried itself to the >extent that I can't remember what the teaser was last night. Help me out >here... Teaser? You mean for next week? It's a rerun of the season premiere. Or do you mean the beginning of the episode? Willow preparing for her return to college/Anya at the frat house. Have you seen this? It's the psychic girl's website from last week. Supposedly there are hints of future developments. http://www.geocities.com/newcassie/ This is possibly the geekiest post I've written. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:30:10 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Annotated Mark Staples (vers. 2.0) It's an excellent program, no matter what you believe, and I posted this because I wanted to turn people whom I think are extremely bright on to a great program with informed philosophical debate. I make no apologies for my beliefs, but I certainly wasn't trying to cram them down anyone's throat (you *know* what a Fundamentalist Bible thumper I am). I was merely suggesting something I enjoy. Take it or leave it (however, I expected to get a response like this, so no quelle surprise). I think the show operates at a level of intellect fitting of this list, and I think it would be enjoyed by a good many subscribers here, especially knowing how well-read this bunch is. Sheesh, I was paying Loudfans a compliment. - -Mark S. "They're not forgiving you. And you're not even wrong." (Morrissey "Sunny") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:49:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] virtual Buffy list (was: opera?) On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Roger Winston wrote: > It's not on the OMWF soundtrack. And it looks like it was filmed for this > episode, since Anya's hair color/length/style was way different from what > it was in OMWF. Heck, it was different from what it is *now*. I couldn't > figure that one out at all. I smell "wig"... > The first, which the others kind of follow from. It was kinda lame that > D'Hoffrin suddenly somehow decided that Halfrek would pay Anya's > price. Though I'm sure glad Anya is still around rather than Halfrek. Nah - cuz now Anya's got to live with the guilt. She wanted to die so she didn't have to - that would have been the easy way out, according to D'Hoffrin, so therefore she doesn't die. Although I was half expecting she might anyway, being now a human only, and having just had a sword run through her. > >And hey - I'm glad they're giving Dawn something to do this season besides > >snivel. > > They do have to prepare for the eventual changeover... So has SMG officially said "no more"? I know her contract was up, but last I'd heard negotiations were still ongoing. > Or do you mean the beginning of the episode? Willow preparing for her > return to college/Anya at the frat house. That's right... I liked Willow's little thought, seeing a scattered-looking, bedraggled Anya emerging from a frat house in the morning with a trench coat, not hers, wrapped about her..."did she...?" > http://www.geocities.com/newcassie/ > > This is possibly the geekiest post I've written. I shall go back and annotate it. I'll get my leather jacket. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::glibby glop gloopy nibby nobby noopy la la la la lo:: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:55:41 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Atlantic City? On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Carolyn Dorsey wrote: > Maybe you guys like to go to Atlantic City and enjoy it. No offense, but I > had to go to there for a trade show a couple years ago, and in my opinion my only trip to Atlantic City was when i was there for an air traffic controller's conference (i was doing a lot of aviation-related work back then) -- my experience was pretty much along the same lines as Carolyn's. i stayed in the Merv Griffin something-or-other which was affiliated with the whole Trump thing somehow, it seemed. Due to a miscommunication (meeting outside *which* casino in the basement?) I stood outside a casino for about forty minutes. I don't think I was projecting: people going in looked happy and pumped up; people coming out looked dejected and, in many cases, angry. There were also machines which seemed to let you swipe a credit card and give you cash as long as the charge was approved, which seemed creepy and dangerous. I got fed up with the overpriced plastic food and managed to get out to the street with the intent of finding a 7-11 or something. Two blocks away from the casino complex I felt right at home -- & this was when I was living in a place they called "crack city." There are other cities where conspicuous consumption is *practically* next door to abject poverty, but i've never seen anywhere else where the demarcation is as razor sharp as AC. At least in Vegas you can drink free if you're playing a table game. Five bucks for a rail G&T in 'lantic City -- back when I still drank G&T's, mind you. And in Vegas there's some pretty great desert to escape to. is there any special reason we're bashing AC? not that it ain't fun and all. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:33:59 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Annotated Mark Staples (vers. 2.0) At Wednesday 10/23/2002 11:30 PM -0400, Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: >It's an excellent program, no matter what you believe, and I posted this >because I wanted to turn people whom I think are extremely bright on to a >great program with informed philosophical debate. Informed philosophical debate gives me hives - I'd personally rather watch a NASCAR rally. Pretty much all we debate here is CD sorting, punctuation, and the meaning behind Buffy the Vampire Slayer. >I think the >show operates at a level of intellect fitting of this list, Perhaps you're right on that one. >and I think it >would be enjoyed by a good many subscribers here, especially knowing how >well-read this bunch is. True - I myself am extremely well-read. When it comes to comic books. And home theater magazines. I'm afraid I've squandered my oh-so-helpful-in-life liberal arts education. >Sheesh, I was paying Loudfans a compliment. And Jeff was just having a little fun. I'm still giggling at "Jane Austen Powers". I'd like to pay LoudFans a compliment too, but LoudFans came over to my house once and made long-distance calls to India, so I'm a little pissed at LoudFans right now. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #373 *******************************