From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #372 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, October 23 2002 Volume 02 : Number 372 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Post-1994 Top Ten [Bill Silvers ] [loud-fans] al-bini (baby) [] Re: [loud-fans] Misc responses ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] Atlantic City? ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] Misc responses [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] opera? [Miles Goosens ] [loud-fans] Jesus Built My Hotrod [Michael Bowen ] Re: [loud-fans] gallery name, cd burning, crack fields ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] Exercises in journalism (fwd) [jenny grover ] [loud-fans] opportunity to be famous (ns) [dana-boy@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] I don't know if it's real, but... ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] from the Fortune.com "Dude" article (not long) [Chris Pre] Re: [loud-fans] Exercises in journalism (fwd) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] from the Fortune.com "Dude" article (not long) [Jeffrey w] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 03:04:44 -0500 From: Bill Silvers Subject: [loud-fans] Post-1994 Top Ten Again, in no particular order: Elastica s/t (1995) Dwight Yoakam A LONG WAY HOME (1998) Fountains Of Wayne UTOPIA PARKWAY (1999) Old 97's WRECK YOUR LIFE (1995) Allison Moorer THE HARDEST PART (2000) Aimee Mann I'M WITH STUPID (1995) Supergrass IN IT FOR THE MONEY (1998) The Derailers REVERB DELUXE (1997) Robbie Fulks SOUTH MOUTH (1997) *Special Deluxe Which Scott Miller? (cheat and pad the total) Entry- (Tie) The V-Roys JUST ADD ICE (1996), The Loud Family DAYS FOR DAYS (1998), Scott Miller & The Commonwealth THUS ALWAYS TO TYRANTS (2001) **Special EP Category- Kelly Willis FADING FAST (1996) ***Honorable Mention- Roger Wallace HILLBILLY HEIGHTS (1999), Fastball ALL THE PAIN MONEY CAN BUY (1998), Semisonic GREAT DIVIDE (1997), Radiohead THE BENDS (1995), Teenage Fanclub GRAND PRIX (1995) b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 8:55:53 +0000 From: Subject: [loud-fans] al-bini (baby) Steve, then Miles - > >Some of the artist selections are surprising.. Quote of the day >"I > cannot bring myself to use the term 'power pop.' Catchy > >mock-descriptive terms are for dilettantes and journalists. I guess > you >could say I think this music is for pussies and should be > stopped." >-- Steve Alf*ingbini > > I *knew* I should have gone to the Shellac show at the Slow Bar last > night and kicked Albini's ass! Now, come on, kids, you *know* how cranky Grandpa Steve can get when he hasn't had his afternoon nap. If you're real good, you can play with him after 'Matlock', OK? phil writing from the Richard Meltzer Rest Home for Aging Iconocranks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:47:09 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Misc responses > >And on a subject that hasn't come up, but sometimes does: am I the only > >person who winces every time the credit "Written by Daniel Palladino" > >comes up at the beginning of the Gilmore Girls? i really think they > >could replace it with a disclaimer that said, "All characters will be > >annoying caricatures of themselves this week. Come back next week and > >maybe we'll use a writer with a clue." I never noticed who wrote which script, but when I told Stewart I thought the episode with the Harvard alum was the worst I'd ever seen he informed me Palladino was the writer. So, I suppose I agree! >However, I didn't >recognize the name of whoever wrote tonight's episode, but I would >respectfully request that this person's membership in the screenwriter's >guild be immediately revoked. Man, what a steaming pile of antelope dung. > Odd...I thought it was hilarious! _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:50:52 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Atlantic City? >No offense, but I >had to go to there for a trade show a couple years ago, and in my opinion >it's one the worst cities I've ever visited. Gotta agree with Carolyn here. Atlantic City is THE worst city I've ever been to. It's the most disgusting, blatant, in your face example of the difference between the rich and the poor anywhere, and it's just plain old ugly. _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:07:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Misc responses On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Aaron Milenski wrote: > >However, I didn't > >recognize the name of whoever wrote tonight's episode, but I would > >respectfully request that this person's membership in the screenwriter's > >guild be immediately revoked. Man, what a steaming pile of antelope dung. > > Odd...I thought it was hilarious! Hmmm...I was laughing as I was watching, but I suppose the discrimination of my critical faculties has been filed down to a nub, since I'm in the midst of the midsemester "it never stops" flow of student papers, and if I apply said faculties to said papers, damned near every one of them would be (most simply) failed, covered with rude ink, or burnt posthaste. But the more I think about it, the more I think about The Obnoxious Neighbor, The Angry Spouse, The Even-More-Eccentric-Than-Usual-Even- for-Gilmore-Girls Decor, the Oddly Helpless Rory, the Guy who Seemed to Be Witty and Charming who Somehow Turned into a Drone over a Commercial Break, and the Good Lord, Put Him on Decaf! Grandpa G., the more I surmise the recent presence of incontinent antelopes. I think the writer shoved too many sitcom cliches into Gilmore World, while exaggerating the show's quirks to an absurd extent. But hey - Jess looked pretty good soaking wet, didn't he. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ np: Elliott Smith _Figure 8_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:56:02 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Atlantic City? My first weekend in Atlantic City was back in '90 in the employ of the Trump empire, where limousines took me from Tony Bennett at the Marina to Tom Jones (and Theodore Bikel) at the Plaza. I've never gotten used to paying for things there, but AC remains a great resource for NYC music fans. You can see any number of legends playing there (usually during the week) who long ago gave up on finding an appreciative club in Manhattan. And with the boardwalk and changing weather, it's certainly a more pleasant environment than Vegas...except for in January. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:57:27 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: [loud-fans] I don't know if it's real, but... I'm trying to decide whether this is real or Photoshop, but this picture is really frightening. My little Caroline only weighs 12 pounds. http://www.strangecosmos.com/view.asp?PicID=4171 -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:09:51 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] gallery name, cd burning, crack fields In a message dated 10/23/02 12:12:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jenor@csd.uwm.edu writes: > and also > prohibits essential urban personnel like teachers, cops, and our heroes of > the last year, firefighters, from being able to actually live in the > cities they work in, thereby loosening their sense of connection and > engagement with the people and texture of the cities and populations > they're supposed to be teaching and protecting Well, I know it is a very large space, but where do people like those you mentioned live? I'm curious to find out how much a starting teacher in the public schools gets paid out there. I'll find out. A friend asked me to move out to SF when I got certified, and I asked him, "Where would I live?" There was a job I wanted as a vacation rental manager on Edisto Island, SC a few years ago (required a college degree for some reason) and I couldn't take it because the money paid was not enough to afford living there. They expected people to drive in from Charleston, which is quite a trek, and do it (and Charleston ain't cheap, either). Yeah, we've covered this ground before, but I scratch my head at how some people do it. Along a similar vein, on AOL's welcome screen right now, they have a link to click on a story about how Gen Xers are getting the shaft right now in the crap job market, titled (annoyingly enough) "Dude, Where's My Job?" - -Mark S. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:14:54 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: [loud-fans] Exercises in journalism (fwd) The "No Shit, Sherlock" headline of the year: http://www2.bostonherald.com/news/national/prof10232002.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:41:08 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] from the Fortune.com "Dude" article (not long) I thought this was of interest. "Generation Wrecked"? Ugh. Why hasn't downsizing taken this journalist's job? - -Mark S. Ten years ago grunge musicians and college-age Cassandras who had never held a day job preached that corporate America would crush their generation's soul and leave them without a pension plan. A few years later the core of Generation X--the 40 million Americans born between 1966 and 1975--found themselves riding the wildest economic bull ever. Salesclerks became programmers; coffee slingers morphed into experts in Java (computerese, that is)--all flush with stock options and eye-popping salaries. Now that the thrill ride is over, Gen X's plight seems particularly bruising. No generation since the Depression has been set up for failure like this. Everything the dot-com boom delivered has been taken away--and then some. Real wages are falling, wealth continues to shift from younger to older, and education costs are surging. Worse yet, for some Gen Xers, their peak earning years are behind them. Buried in college and credit card debt, a lot of them won't be able to catch up as they approach their prime spending years. Yes, yes, yes, we know what you're thinking. The free-spending slackers have only themselves to blame, since the dot-com boom should have made them rich for life. On the surface that's true. A 30-year-old today is 50% more likely to have a bachelor's degree than his counterpart in 1974 and earns $5,000 more a year, adjusted for inflation. But that's where the good news stops. He also has more in student loans and credit card debt, is less likely to own a home, and is just as likely to be unemployed. His salary probably topped out during the boom, whereas his predecessor's rose throughout his career. Social Security will start to evaporate as he turns 50--or before, if the lockbox gets raided--so he'll have to depend almost completely on his own savings for retirement. The comparison with a 30-year-old in 1984 isn't any rosier. FORTUNE recently encountered the bitter and (now) experienced voice of Generation X. We interviewed more than 50 Gen Xers in Dallas, Louisville, and Seattle, with jobs ranging from construction manager to software engineer. Battered by the economy and the bad luck of being born between Madonna and Britney Spears, they're Generation Wrecked. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:39:52 -0400 From: jsharple@brooklaw.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Atlantic City? Carolyn: > > it's one the worst cities I've ever visited. Aaron: > It's the most disgusting, blatant, in your face example of the > difference between the rich and the poor anywhere, and it's just plain old > ugly. Woah, kids. I never sang AC's civic praises, just shouted out to listers in the area, but since you bring it up... Bingo, just why I love AC so. It's resisted the Disneyfication Vegas and the reservation resorts succumbed to years ago. Best for all involved that you and other sensible and respectable citizens stay away and leave the place to the mobsters, petty criminals, degenerates, and we dissolute failed-musicians- turned-attorneys. Not that I ever get to see much outside the Trop, and the well-beaten path from there, down the boardwalk to our borrowed crashpad on Ventnor Beach. But of course we don't go there to sightsee, but to see Rickles (closest he ever gets to NYC), play 21, and sink into the shadows of the Top of the Trop lounge with a properly executed Manhattan. Then again, Ocean City NJ, just up the road, where Memorial Day weekend with the I-D's has become a ritual, is as pristine as it is attractive. The Jersey shore is great. JRT: >My first weekend in Atlantic City was back in '90 in the employ of the Trump >empire... Wow, cool! Did you get to wear the little round cap and waistcoat with lots and lots of buttons? Ha ha. No, seriously, what JR said about the boardwalk and the concerts. JS - ------------------------------- This mail sent through Brooklyn Law School WebMail http://www.brooklaw.edu/webmail - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:14:05 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] opera? ok ok ok... i missed the end of last season (probably the last 4 shows or so). is htere somewhere i can go to find out what the hell happened? i'm picking up a lot of it through the dialogue, but i'm confused about willow, and i guess something earth shattering happened with spike. same thing with Angel. how the hell is the kid a teenager already? what happened to cordelia? i've looked, but i can't seem to find a good site. - -- It's well known that if you take a lot of random noise, you can find chance patterns in it, and the Net makes it easier to collect random noise. Dr. James M. Robins, Professor of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at Harvard - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Winston" To: "Cxiuj via bazo apartenas ni" Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] opera? > At Monday 10/21/2002 11:36 PM -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > >Finally: is there some backstory/cultural reference I'm missing in the > >following? I noticed variations on the same phrase on two different > >businesses' signs the other day (a sub shop and a window repair shop): > >"your wife called - she wants you to pick up a [sub/new window]." What the > >hell is up with that? Why would anyone's wife call the *store* and not her > >husband? Is this some dumbass SNL skit I've missed because life's too > >short for crap TV? > > Your questions are irksome. Perhaps you should take your furs and your > literal interpretations to the other side of the river. > > Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:24:17 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] opera? At 10:14 AM 10/23/2002 -0700, me wrote: >ok ok ok... > >i missed the end of last season (probably the last 4 shows or so). i.e., all the best ones. :-) (Actually, the season started and finished strong, and the middle-chaptery lull in the middle seemed much longer than it actually was because of the holidays and networks saving everything for sweeps -- so the Thanksgiving-December-January-March-April pattern was "mediocre by BUFFY standards episode - pre-empt - pre-empt - rerun - rerun - mediocre by BUFFY standards episode," x four months.) >is htere >somewhere i can go to find out what the hell happened? i'm picking up a lot >of it through the dialogue, but i'm confused about willow, and i guess >something earth shattering happened with spike. http://www.buffyguide.com will get you the scoop, and it's got plenty of links to ANGEL guides. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:53:41 -0400 From: Michael Bowen Subject: [loud-fans] Jesus Built My Hotrod Apple pie, baseball, Chevrolet, and the Blood of the Lamb: http://www.auto.com/industry/chevy23_20021023.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:09:38 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] gallery name, cd burning, crack fields just so that things don't get misinterpreted here - my quest for a space to live and work in is being largely driven by a desire to provide artists (particularly young, 'underpriveleged' artists) with a place to air their creativity. after finding out what is involved in displaying something in a normal gallery (as opposed to the art store where i hang my work), i'm on a quest. typical gallery commission is 50%. WTF?!?! you didn't make it, so why do i pay you 50%?!?! add to that the cost of professional slides, framing, etc., and you have a not worthwhile exploit. the idea is to provide - at a minimal cost to the artists, and with no cost available for kids who need it - a space to hang paintings, exhibit sculptures, read poetry, perform plays, whatever. i'm even willing to take a hit on the cost. although being a slum lord IS an attractive alternative... - -- It's well known that if you take a lot of random noise, you can find chance patterns in it, and the Net makes it easier to collect random noise. Dr. James M. Robins, Professor of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at Harvard - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] gallery name, cd burning, crack fields > In a message dated 10/23/02 12:12:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > jenor@csd.uwm.edu writes: > > > > and also > > prohibits essential urban personnel like teachers, cops, and our heroes of > > the last year, firefighters, from being able to actually live in the > > cities they work in, thereby loosening their sense of connection and > > engagement with the people and texture of the cities and populations > > they're supposed to be teaching and protecting > > Well, I know it is a very large space, but where do people like those you > mentioned live? I'm curious to find out how much a starting teacher in the > public schools gets paid out there. I'll find out. A friend asked me to move > out to SF when I got certified, and I asked him, "Where would I live?" There > was a job I wanted as a vacation rental manager on Edisto Island, SC a few > years ago (required a college degree for some reason) and I couldn't take it > because the money paid was not enough to afford living there. They expected > people to drive in from Charleston, which is quite a trek, and do it (and > Charleston ain't cheap, either). > > Yeah, we've covered this ground before, but I scratch my head at how some > people do it. Along a similar vein, on AOL's welcome screen right now, they > have a link to click on a story about how Gen Xers are getting the shaft > right now in the crap job market, titled (annoyingly enough) "Dude, Where's > My Job?" > > -Mark S. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:17:15 -0400 From: jsharple@brooklaw.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jesus Built My Hotrod Speaking of Him, Paula told me a really funny joke last night: Q. Why did the dumb blonde sleep with Jesus? A. Because she heard he was hung *like this*. - ------------------------------- This mail sent through Brooklyn Law School WebMail http://www.brooklaw.edu/webmail - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:29:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] I don't know if it's real, but... On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Dave Walker wrote: > I'm trying to decide whether this is real or > Photoshop, but this picture is really > frightening. > > My little Caroline only weighs 12 pounds. > > http://www.strangecosmos.com/view.asp?PicID=4171 Oh, definitely faked. Look in particular at the bunny's right front paw - the relation of it to the surrounding space is far too sharply defined. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I feel that all movies should have things that happen in them:: __TV's Frank__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:38:55 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] gallery name, cd burning, crack fields In a message dated 10/23/02 2:11:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, me@justanotherfuckin.com writes: > just so that things don't get misinterpreted here - > > my quest for a space to live and work in is being largely driven by a > desire > to provide artists (particularly young, 'underpriveleged' artists) with a > place to air their creativity. I think that's really great. I just had a little bit of "sticker shock," like those old Fiat ads from the '70s. I guess cheap real estate rents and housing prices are something that I'm used to, and it is hard for me to imagine that that really is quite a bargain where you live (I suppose the big draw to this area are these low prices, that are rising with the influx...however, pay scale here is very low as well across the board). I guess it's pricey to live out there because everybody wants to live there, me included. So, is it like that cover of the first Bangles album? And whatever became of that reunion, anyway? - -Mark S. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:50:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] from the Fortune.com "Dude" article (not long) Isn't this by Douglas Coupland? > Real wages are falling, wealth continues to shift from younger to older, and > education costs are surging. Dude, real wages have been falling since the seventies. The dotcom boom was only ever a boom among a small socioeconomic cohort: all during said "boom," most Americans' wages were continuing their gradual slide into the whirling porcelain vortex. The dotcommers were just a few brown streaks left over from the big flush. But it's their own fault: they should have been born CEOs, or sons or daughters of CEOs. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Solipsism is its own reward:: __Crow T. Robot__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:12:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] opera? On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, me wrote: > i missed the end of last season (probably the last 4 shows or so). is htere > somewhere i can go to find out what the hell happened? i'm picking up a lot > of it through the dialogue, but i'm confused about willow, and i guess > something earth shattering happened with spike. Warren (one of the Legion of Dim, the three geeks who wanted to take over the world) had been progressing from neurotic weirdo to dangerous psychopath throughout the season - and in the (second last?) episode, having escaped from Buffy during an aborted robbery, he came back seeking vengeance and tried to shoot Buffy. Xander leapt at him, deflecting the shot, which then passed through the window of Chez Scooby and killed Tara. Willow, as you'd imagine, was utterly grief-stricken, and already being rather at wit's end in her magic-withdrawal state, went completely bats in seeking vengeance. She caught up with Warren, and flayed him alive. Oddly, that didn't make her feel any better - so she resolved to destroy the world (you know, the usual Sunnydale pastime). That was averted (sorry, I'm getting bored with this summary), Willow was shipped off to the Institute for Dangerous Witches somewhere in pastoral England (where Giles apparently rode horses all day long), and apparently got more or less better before being called back to Sunnydale to avert whatever lies behind that phrase that keeps popping up (which, thanks to Xander, I've turned into a little jingle): "from beneath it devours." (I'm guessing that will eventually have something to do with the teasers from the first two eps this season with the robed guys chasing down and killing teenage girls. Either that, or it won't.) Spike went off on the vampiric equivalent of a vision quest and sought out some Tibetan demon type, who heard The Peroxided One's pleas...and interpreted them (a) incorrectly in Spike's view but aptly in the usual demonic mode of justice, or (b) correctly, as Spike wanting his soul back. Either way, Spike got (what a surprise in the Buffyverse) more than he'd expected, along with a weird new curly hairstyle, and seems to have been practicing Hamlet's mad scenes in the basement of the newly built Sunnydale Hellmouth Memorial High. > same thing with Angel. how the hell is the kid a teenager already? what > happened to cordelia? Relativistic space-time continua and discontinuous equilibria, along with a transporter error, switched his brain and Spock's...okay, I'm lying. Holtz kidnapped him as a baby and leapt through a magically opened dimensional wormhole into a cozy, soothing Hell Dimension, wherein babies proceed directly to teenagers, bypassing the entire cute and cuddly childhood years. (Actually, time passes differently there.) He somehow returned (I forget how...Miles? Roger?), was led to believe by Holtz and his slavegirl that Angel had killed Holtz (whom he regarded as his father - - Holtz called him "Steven"), and so took revenge on Angel by locking him a heavy box and dumping it to the bottom of the sea. Details again forgotten by me...but Wesley figured this out and brought Angel back. Meanwhile, Conor's pretending he has no clue what happened either to Cordy or to Angel (more on Cordy later) - Wesley, of course, knew; Gunn took a while to find out, basically only after Fred found out. Conor's now living on his own, apparently on the streets, and occasionally whomping vamps. Cordelia and Angel were all set to try to figure out if there were such a thing as an anti- one-moment-of-happiness condom so they could do the nasty without disengaging Angel's soul (they didn't know yet that they were heading that way, but each of them individually had resolved to pursue this). On the night of the big not-to-be date, Angel went on his little submarine cruise, and Cordy...well, Cordy (in a wonderful parody of fundy "rapture" lore) suddenly found time standing still for her in the middle of some LA freeway. As she stepped out of her All the Hot Brunettes on TV Drive One Jeep, she sees Skip - the rather H.R. Giger looking interdimensional jailer and destiny-broker (?), who informs her that, hey, the Powers-That-Be have decided that you, Cordelia, are this eternity's winner of the ascension to goddesshood sweepstakes. (I woulda thought she'd've achieved that in that ep where she was wearing that bikini, but I digress.) So Cordy gets swooped up heavenwards, and she's been up there ever since, bored out of her wits, since apparently there's nothing to do, not even learn to play Black Sabbath tunes on the harp. Until the end of last week's episode, when she showed up in the middle Angelworld, wondering who the hell all those people staring at her (Angel, Fred, Gunn, and The Host) were. Please correct my faulty memories, anyone. Mr. Retentive, - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::beliefs are ideas going bald:: __Francis Picabia__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:48:22 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Exercises in journalism (fwd) Stewart Mason wrote: > > The "No Shit, Sherlock" headline of the year: > > http://www2.bostonherald.com/news/national/prof10232002.htm "S.T.A.L.K. (System to Apprehend Lethal Killers) So, are there non-lethal killers? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:57:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] from the Fortune.com "Dude" article (not long) On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Dude, real wages have been falling since the seventies. The dotcom boom > was only ever a boom among a small socioeconomic cohort: all during said > "boom," most Americans' wages were continuing their gradual slide into the > whirling porcelain vortex. The dotcommers were just a few brown streaks > left over from the big flush. I don't know that that's true. You forget, first, that the boom started in 1992, long before anything related to the dotcoms could affect things. (Certainly, however, the dotcoms are mostly responsible for the stock market bubble of the late 90s, but that has only a convoluted relationship to the actualy economy that produces stuff.) Also, the boom in the economy throughout the 90s means that GDP increased, and as we all know too well, the dotcoms can't be responsible for that because they had an awful time producing something anyone wanted to buy. And it's my understanding that the 90s saw productivity gains and real wage gains across a broad variety of industries, including gains to "working-class" folks. While income inequality may have increased, I don't think it's right at all to say that wages for most Americans declined. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:11:21 GMT From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re:Re: [loud-fans] Atlantic City? Woah, kids. I never sang AC's civic praises, just shouted out to listers in the area, but since you bring it up... Bingo, just why I love AC so. It's resisted the Disneyfication Vegas and the reservation resorts succumbed to years ago. Best for all involved that you and other sensible and respectable citizens stay away and leave the place to the mobsters, petty criminals, degenerates, and we dissolute failed-musicians-turned-attorneys. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't forget the retired immigrants from China!! (There was a kind of cute story in the Times a while back -- I hoped that it was true -- about how this particular group were spending their golden years by taking the free bus to AC, buying lunch with the $10 voucher, walking around all day, then taking the free bus back to NYC with a few bucks in their pockets.) - --dana ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:13:58 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] opera? Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey on 10/23/2002 8:12:17 AM wrote: > (which, thanks to > Xander, I've turned into a little jingle): "from beneath it devours." I believe that's "From beneath YOU it devours". I'm guessing they're talking about the really spicy Pad Se Iew I had for lunch today. > (I'm > guessing that will eventually have something to do with the teasers from > the first two eps this season with the robed guys chasing down and killing > teenage girls. Either that, or it won't.) ...one of those girls being Sydney Bristow from Alias (or Lola from RUN LOLA RUN, depending on how you look at it). > Either way, Spike got (what a surprise in the Buffyverse) more than he'd > expected, along with a weird new curly hairstyle, and seems to have been > practicing Hamlet's mad scenes in the basement of the newly built > Sunnydale Hellmouth Memorial High. ...and chatting it up with some evil thing who can apparently turn into all other evil (and not so evil) things. > Holtz kidnapped him as a baby and leapt through a magically opened > dimensional wormhole into a cozy, soothing Hell Dimension, wherein babies > proceed directly to teenagers, bypassing the entire cute and cuddly > childhood years. ...aka the Soap Opera Dimension. > He somehow returned (I forget how...Miles? Roger?), All part of Holtz's plan, I think, though I don't remember how he did it. > and so took revenge on Angel by locking him > a heavy box and dumping it to the bottom of the sea. Details again > forgotten by me...but Wesley figured this out and brought Angel back. Holtz's slavegirl Justine (whom I'm strangely attracted to) helped Connor deep six Angel, so she knew approx where he was dropped. And then she somehow became Wesley's slavegirl, chained to the wall in his closet, and provided Wes with that info. > So Cordy gets swooped up heavenwards, and she's been up there > ever since, bored out of her wits, since apparently there's nothing to do, > not even learn to play Black Sabbath tunes on the harp. I thought I heard some speculation that Charisma Carpenter was/is pregnant and so was reduced to playing "glowy head in the sky" (not too unlike the cover of DAYS FOR DAYS) for several episodes. If she starts wearing vests, labcoats and bulky jackets a lot, we'll know for sure... [tvgush] Wasn't last night's Buffy just the *best*? Wow, even though Dawn and Spike had only cameos, there was still so much to like. Anya's (and Olaf's) backstory, bunnies, long sessions of subtitled Swedish (Norwegian?) dialog, Buffy's emotional "I Am Da Law" monologue to Xander and Willow, the Once More With Feeling redux (including the precursor to the Mustard Song), the brief re-emergence of Dark Willow, the Willow/D'Hofrin exchange ("so-and-so has your picture on his bathroom wall"), the no-holds-barred Buffy/Anya melee, the death of Halfrek (good riddance), etc. Emma Caulfield was just totally adorable through the whole thing, even when killing people. I felt the resolution was a copout, but I'm glad it went that way. Supposedly this ep was written by a first-time Buffy writer. [/tvgush] Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:21:31 GMT From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] opportunity to be famous (ns) You know, this is a close call, but I think that there's a slight opportunity for someone to get a letter into the Village Voice: This week's Michael Musto column opens with a crack about some "skinny model" who says that Courtney Love is her favorite band. Now granted, that person probably *wasn't* thinking of Lois's old group, but you never know. I'd do it, but I don't want to be nationally exposed as a geek. Also, I'm not entirely sure what Michael Musto thinks is so funny about the story, so maybe it's best to just let it drop. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:37:47 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] I don't know if it's real, but... i'm not so sure. the guy's coat is covered in animal fur, and the stray long hairs on the rabbit blend seamlessly with the background. the only thing taht makes me doubt it's authenticity it the brightness of the fur on the stomach, but on a cloudy day, with diffused light or with a flash, that's not unusual. besides, i've seen rabbits nearly that large. now, the chick on http://namesecure.com right now is Photoshop-ed. i, uh, happen to know the "artist". ahem. - -- It's well known that if you take a lot of random noise, you can find chance patterns in it, and the Net makes it easier to collect random noise. Dr. James M. Robins, Professor of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at Harvard - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" To: "someone please...make it stop!!!!" Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] I don't know if it's real, but... > On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Dave Walker wrote: > > > I'm trying to decide whether this is real or > > Photoshop, but this picture is really > > frightening. > > > > My little Caroline only weighs 12 pounds. > > > > http://www.strangecosmos.com/view.asp?PicID=4171 > > Oh, definitely faked. Look in particular at the bunny's right front paw - > the relation of it to the surrounding space is far too sharply defined. > > --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html > ::I feel that all movies should have things that happen in them:: > __TV's Frank__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:59:30 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] All time Top 10s I've posted the same top-ten list more than once, but this time I thought I'd try abandoning the one-album-per-artist rule. So I pretended that I could take only one album to a desert island, but that on the first nine picks I was told, "No, you can't have that one - try again." 1. Richard and Linda Thompson - I WANT TO SEE THE BRIGHT LIGHTS TONIGHT 2. Richard Thompson - HENRY THE HUMAN FLY 3. Dillard and Clark - THE FANTASTIC EXPEDITION OF DILLARD AND CLARK 4. Big Star - THIRD 5. Simon and Garfunkel - BRIDGE OVER TROUBLED WATER 6. Richard and Linda Thompson - POUR DOWN LIKE SILVER 7. Big Star - RADIO CITY 8. Gene Clark - GENE CLARK/WHITE LIGHT 9. Richard Thompson - HAND OF KINDNESS 10. Joni Mitchell - BLUE Kind of scary, isn't it. I'm surprised Neil Young didn't make it. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:02:34 -0500 From: Chris Prew Subject: Re: [loud-fans] from the Fortune.com "Dude" article (not long) I think you are both right...real wages have been in decline for a long time (relative to inflation), but there was a brief uptick in the mid-late 90's which has since disappeared, right about when Bush took office. Much as I hate the Bush regime, you can't blame the constant fluctuations of our economy on any one person/administration. Although it sure is fun to try... Chris Who has been enjoying this season's Buffy quite a bit. On Wednesday, October 23, 2002, at 02:57 PM, Michael Mitton wrote: > On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > >> Dude, real wages have been falling since the seventies. The dotcom >> boom >> was only ever a boom among a small socioeconomic cohort: all during >> said >> "boom," most Americans' wages were continuing their gradual slide >> into the >> whirling porcelain vortex. The dotcommers were just a few brown >> streaks >> left over from the big flush. > > > And it's my understanding that the 90s saw productivity gains and real > wage gains across a broad > variety of industries, including gains to "working-class" folks. While > income inequality may have increased, I don't think it's right at all > to > say that wages for most Americans declined. > > --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:29:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Exercises in journalism (fwd) On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, jenny grover wrote: > Stewart Mason wrote: > > > > The "No Shit, Sherlock" headline of the year: > > > > http://www2.bostonherald.com/news/national/prof10232002.htm > > "S.T.A.L.K. (System to Apprehend Lethal Killers) > > So, are there non-lethal killers? Well, there's Jerry Lee Lewis, the Alice Cooper album... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:46:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] from the Fortune.com "Dude" article (not long) On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Chris Prew wrote: > I think you are both right...real wages have been in decline for a long > time (relative to inflation), but there was a brief uptick in the > mid-late 90's which has since disappeared, right about when Bush took > office. Much as I hate the Bush regime, you can't blame the constant > fluctuations of our economy on any one person/administration. Aside from the Bush thing (mid-late '90s?), this is pretty much what I was referring to: I think I read that the median wage hit its peak sometime in the 1970s; since that time, its overall trend is downward (in adjusted dollars, of course). The crux of this is that it's generally harder for the average American to make a living these days. Another factor: the cost of college education has spiraled way more quickly than has inflation...during the same decades that such education is more and more a requirement for decent-paying jobs. Combine that with an earlier issue - that at least in more desirable locations, housing prices too have risen on a steeper slope than inflation - - and you have a situation in which the creation of individual wealth is much more difficult for people: without as much pay, it's harder to produce a down-payment for a house*; without that house, it's harder to use one's equity for other purposes as well as avoid throwing away huge sums of money every month to a landlord, with nothing permanent to show for it. I wasn't crediting or blaming the dotcom boom for anything - only pointing out that the boom wasn't distributed throughout the economy: plenty of people were doing anything but making millions. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Watson! Something's afoot...and it's on the end of my leg:: __Hemlock Stones__ * somewhat mitigating this, the percentage downpayment required to obtain a mortgage has dropped pretty dramatically since the end of WWII - the GI Bill being a huge factor here. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #372 *******************************