From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #371 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, October 23 2002 Volume 02 : Number 371 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] top ten [] Re: [loud-fans] Misc responses [Tim_Pintsch ] Re: [loud-fans] Misc responses [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] That's Just What She Are (was: Andrewa Tapeswap review) [jsha] [loud-fans] Ghost [Carolyn Dorsey ] [loud-fans] Atlantic City? [jsharple@brooklaw.edu] [loud-fans] Bunnygrunt [Michael Bowen ] Re: [loud-fans] Misc responses [Boyof100lists@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] That's Just What She Are (was: Andrewa Tapeswap review) [] [loud-fans] issue of interest [jenny grover ] [loud-fans] Pastorale [Boyof100lists@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] issue of interest [Boyof100lists@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] That's Just What She Are (was: Andrea Tapeswap review) [] Re: [loud-fans] issue of interest [Steve Holtebeck ] Re: [loud-fans] That's Just What She Are (was: Andrewa Tapeswap review) [] Re: [loud-fans] issue of interest [Miles Goosens ] [loud-fans] gallery name, cd burning, crack fields ["me" ] RE: [loud-fans] That's Just What She Are (was: Andrea Tapeswap review) [] Re: [loud-fans] opera? [Roger Winston ] [loud-fans] Top 10 Spouses [Betsy Lescosky Way ] Re: [loud-fans] Misc responses [Stewart Mason ] RE: [loud-fans] Misc responses ["glenn mcdonald" ] Re: [loud-fans] gallery name, cd burning, crack fields [Boyof100lists@aol] Re: [loud-fans] issue of interest [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Atlantic City? [Carolyn Dorsey ] Re: [loud-fans] All time Top 10s [Jack Lippold ] Re: [loud-fans] issue of interest [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] all apologies [John Cooper ] Re: [loud-fans] gallery name, cd burning, crack fields [jenny grover Subject: [loud-fans] top ten 'Oh, man, deja vu...' I haven't consulted my previous loud-fans top ten list, but I will be interested to see how much or how little things might have changed since then. So, here are ten albums I really could not live without, unranked - Zen Arcade - Husker Du Love Agenda - Band of Susans (expanded version featuring 'Take the Express') Daydream Nation - Sonic Youth Based on Happy Times - Tommy Keene Horses - Patti Smith Rocket to Russia - The Ramones Plants and Birds and Rocks and Things - The Loud Family Exile on Main Street - The Rolling Stones The Notorious Byrd Brothers - The Byrds Life's Rich Pageant - REM A further ten, any of which could find their way onto this list on another day, would include the Stooges - 'Funhouse', Liz Phair - 'Exile in Guyville', Afghan Whigs - 'Black Love', Cheap Trick - 'Cheap Trick' (1977), The Velvet Underground - 'White Light/White Heat', Doll by Doll - 'Remember', The Soft Boys - 'Underwater Moonlight', The Beatles - 'Revolver', Jason and the Scorchers - 'Lost and Found', and The Pursuit of Happiness - 'Love Junk'. Interestingly, though, if I was to list my ten or twenty favourite songs, the crossover with the list of my favourite albums would be almost nonexistent. Why should that be, I wonder? peace & love phil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 06:15:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Tim_Pintsch Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Misc responses On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/22/02 12:14:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > jenor@csd.uwm.edu writes: > > > > But then, some people describe Alanis Morissette as a "singer," so who > > knows what the hell goes on in some folks' minds... > > > > > > Amen. Writhing around in the back of a car like you're detoxing shouldn't be > misinterpreted as talent. One of the most accurate statements I have ever heard... Just because you are an angry woman and have a record contract does not neccessarily mean that you have talent. Alanis, the world may have forgotten your failed R & B career, but I haven't. Her unnerving ability to write scathing lyrics and try to call it music makes me sick. Don't get me wrong, this is not about disliking angry female musicians, I always had feelings for Bikini Kill, at least they sound like they mean it and play thier own instruments. Alanis: Have you no sense of decency ma'am, at long last, have you left no sense of decency? Tone deaf and fancy free... Be well, tim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:16:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Misc responses On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, Tim_Pintsch wrote: > One of the most accurate statements I have ever heard... Just because you > are an angry woman and have a record contract does not neccessarily mean > that you have talent. Not to squelch the Alanis-bashing that I started, but...is this "angry woman" tag really apt? Okay, there was "You Oughta Know," but the rest of the hit songs from the first album seemed more hippie-dippie clueless than angry (notably "Ironic"). I don't recall anything from the other two...but I think this is a classic case of a label being applied on the basis of one song that for some reason has proven irremovable. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, noting how much easier it is to type "Alanis" than remember how to spell "Morissette" J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::American people like their politics like Pez - small, sweet, and ::coming out of a funny plastic head. __Dennis Miller__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:36:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Alanis (fwd) Aaron asked me to forward this - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:19:49 -0400 From: Aaron Milenski To: jenor@csd.uwm.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Alanis >Not to squelch the Alanis-bashing that I started, but...is this "angry >woman" tag really apt? I agree with Jeff---that song really pigeonholed her as something that isn't very apparent elsewhere in her music. There's certainly a lot of sarcasm, and the same vocal style, but otherwise she's not really a typical "angry woman," whatever that is. I won't go into my anti-"Head Over Feet" rant again. _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:39:13 -0400 From: jsharple@brooklaw.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] my Loud-Fans soundtrack Quoting Dan Stillwell : > > Honorable mention (cuz I listen to them at least as often as the above) to > Paula Carino's ICED COFFEE SESSIONS (not an official release - yet!) > > Any idea when it will be released? Nope, but then it ain't up to me. But I hope the fact that AQUACADE went to a second pressing is an encouraging sign... JS - ------------------------------- This mail sent through Brooklyn Law School WebMail http://www.brooklaw.edu/webmail - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:08:15 EDT From: DOUDIE@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] McClusky In a message dated 10/22/02 12:24:01 AM, jenor@csd.uwm.edu writes: << Note: the Liars' album Newman mentions has one of the best titles of recent years: _They Threw Us All in a Trench and Stuck a Monument on Top_. >> And the McClusky record he mentions, MCCLUSKY DO DALLAS, is really awesome. Big Black fans take notice (Albini did work on this record actually) though I have to say that McClusky write better lyrics than Big Black ever did. And they are Hefner's label mate! Steve Matrick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:12:07 -0400 From: jsharple@brooklaw.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Misc responses Quoting Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey : > Not to squelch the Alanis-bashing that I started, but...is this "angry > woman" tag really apt? I agree, it's not. And I don't think it's right to call her untalented; she unquestionably has talent (not for lyrics...or album titles, for that matter). The problem I have with her is that she has deliberately adopted one of the most annoying vocal affectations I've ever heard. All this honking and braying, like a mule on acid, what gives? JS - ------------------------------- This mail sent through Brooklyn Law School WebMail http://www.brooklaw.edu/webmail - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:16:37 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] not that this worked last time, but... there was a cool little zine called "yeah yeah yeah" i kinda think out of hoboken. indie pop stuff. haven't seen an ish in a while, and i dunno if that's distributors locally or them. anyone know if they're still extant, or better yet, have contact info? tia, - -- d. http://www.fecklessbeast.com ~~ angst! guilt! fear! betrayal! less feck, more beast -- debut CD shipping now 1220 L st NW suite 100 #290 wash dc 20005 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:17:50 -0400 From: jsharple@brooklaw.edu Subject: [loud-fans] That's Just What She Are (was: Andrewa Tapeswap review) Quoting Stewart Mason : > "Pavlov's Bell" -- Aimee Mann > I repeat: yeah, it's mid-tempo and gloomy. But that's what Aimee Mann > does. Yeah, but it ain't what she USED to do, back when she used a rich variety of tempos, rhythms, musical forms, emotional perspectives, and lyrical subject matters. When she was much more interesting and rewarding to listen to. It seems she was a bit monochromatic on the first 'Til Tuesday album but developed her range impressively over the next two records, culminating with EVERYTHING'S DIFFERENT NOW and WHATEVER, which made her my favorite artist on the planet. I never expected that culmination to turn out to be a plateau. But each of her releases since then seem to have deliberately cast off any inflections that aren't slow'n'whiny. Which, of course, she's very good at, but my interest in her has decreased in direct proportion to the narrowing of her musical spectrum. It's weird, I can't think of any other artist this has happened with. Normally I'll start to lose interest in an artist after the first few records, as they run out of things to say and just sort of seem to lose the freshness and edgy inspiration of their yoot. I can't think of any other who stayed at the peak of her craft and yet became so willfully boring. JS - ------------------------------- This mail sent through Brooklyn Law School WebMail http://www.brooklaw.edu/webmail - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:25:52 -0400 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: [loud-fans] Ghost is playing today on WFMU at five oclock. Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:49:28 -0400 From: jsharple@brooklaw.edu Subject: [loud-fans] Atlantic City? Hello dummies, Any listers in the Atlantic City, N.J. area this weekend? Card and I are making our bi-annual pilgrimage to see Don Rickles at The Tropicana Saturday. Too bad it's not Memorial Day weekend when I can always find the I-D's nearby. Front row seats, can't wait. We're really hoping this is the time he'll insult us. Card shaved his head. E-mail me off-list or just find me at one of the Trop's $10 blackjack tables on Saturday afternoon. JS - ------------------------------- This mail sent through Brooklyn Law School WebMail http://www.brooklaw.edu/webmail - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:28:51 -0400 From: Michael Bowen Subject: [loud-fans] Bunnygrunt Does anyone have the complete track listing for Bunnygrunt's album JEN-FI? I downloaded a couple of tracks, but whoever encoded them left the track names off. Thanks! MB np: Joe Jackson - "Beat Crazy" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:57:53 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Misc responses In a message dated 10/22/02 11:16:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jsharple@brooklaw.edu writes: > The problem I have with her is that she has deliberately adopted one of the > most annoying vocal affectations I've ever heard. All this honking and > braying, like a mule on acid, what gives? > > If I had the room here in the breakfast nook to roll around on the floor and laugh, I would definitely do so. Catch the tracers, Wilbur. - -Mark S. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:01:50 -0500 From: Bill Silvers Subject: Re: [loud-fans] That's Just What She Are (was: Andrewa Tapeswap review) John Sharples replied to Stewart Mason: > > "Pavlov's Bell" -- Aimee Mann > > I repeat: yeah, it's mid-tempo and gloomy. But that's what Aimee Mann > > does. > >Yeah, but it ain't what she USED to do, back when she used a rich variety of >tempos, rhythms, musical forms, emotional perspectives, and lyrical subject >matters. When she was much more interesting and rewarding to listen to. > >It seems she was a bit monochromatic on the first 'Til Tuesday album but >developed her range impressively over the next two records, culminating with >EVERYTHING'S DIFFERENT NOW and WHATEVER, which made her my favorite artist on >the planet. I never expected that culmination to turn out to be a plateau. >But each of her releases since then seem to have deliberately cast off any >inflections that aren't slow'n'whiny. Which, of course, she's very good at, >but my interest in her has decreased in direct proportion to the narrowing of >her musical spectrum. Which I understand and mostly agree with, but I'd point out that I'M WITH STUPID (on several of the top ten's just listed here) uses a variety of tempos and dynamics, not entirely unlike the records you mention. STUPID is certainly a darker, more embittered affair than WHATEVER (and sets the stage for the subsequent journey into her current lack of variety), but it isn't what I think could be fairly called monochromatic or samey. >It's weird, I can't think of any other artist this has happened >with. Normally >I'll start to lose interest in an artist after the first few records, as they >run out of things to say and just sort of seem to lose the freshness and edgy >inspiration of their yoot. I can't think of any other who stayed at the peak >of her craft and yet became so willfully boring. That's an interesting point, though of course I don't imagine that her continued mining of the vein she hit with MAGNOLIA, continuing with BACHELOR #2 and LOST IN SPACE, exactly constitutes a deliberate expression of her intention to bore her audience. You and I both would like to see Ms. Mann move into some different emotional and musical territory, but I don't think she's trying to disinterest us in her current direction, however fixed, limiting and redundant we might find it to be. b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 17:08:35 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: [loud-fans] issue of interest I just got the latest copy of Magnet (Oct./Nov. 2002) and I think it will interest more than a few Loud-fans. It features a "History of Power Pop" article. Also has a very nice Queens of the Stone Age interview. Jen np: an old Beat Happening bootleg from a friend ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 17:06:17 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Pastorale got this from futurepopshop for youze guys in the NYC area: Tickets for PASTORALE: March Records presents an evening at FEZ in NYC with The Ocean Blue, Allen Clapp, Sprites, Kevin Tihista's Red Terror, Marmalade, and See Venus are on sale now. The show is November 2, all ages, and starts at 7pm. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 17:09:29 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] issue of interest In a message dated 10/22/02 5:05:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sleeveless@citynet.net writes: > I just got the latest copy of Magnet (Oct./Nov. 2002) I've been wondering where the hell my copy is. Did they mention Scott? - -Mark S. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 17:45:42 -0400 From: jsharple@brooklaw.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] That's Just What She Are (was: Andrea Tapeswap review) Quoting Bill Silvers : > Which I understand and mostly agree with, but I'd point out that I'M WITH > STUPID (on several of the top ten's just listed here) > uses a variety of tempos and dynamics, not entirely unlike the records you > mention. STUPID is certainly a darker, more embittered affair than WHATEVER > and sets the stage for the subsequent journey into her current lack of > variety), but it isn't what I think could be fairly called monochromatic or > samey. Agreed. I said her albums beginning with that one became gradually more samey. There was something flat and brittle about the production sound of that record, and the performances were certainly less inspired than on its predecessor. And STUPID has the first of many interminable dirges to follow. I can't think of any other who stayed at the > peak of her craft and yet became so willfully boring. > > That's an interesting point, though of course I don't imagine that her > continued mining of the vein she hit with MAGNOLIA, continuing with > BACHELOR #2 and LOST IN SPACE, exactly constitutes a deliberate expression > of her intention to bore her audience. No, I think it represents her intent to expand her audience at the expense of fans like me. I think she realizes she makes a good living providing background music to Starbucks and pretentious movies and is afraid something that moves like "50 Years After The Fair" or unleashes a monster guitar solo like "I Should Have Known" will unduly rock the boat. JS - ------------------------------- This mail sent through Brooklyn Law School WebMail http://www.brooklaw.edu/webmail - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:00:10 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] issue of interest Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > > I just got the latest copy of Magnet (Oct./Nov. 2002) > I've been wondering where the hell my copy is. Did they mention Scott? I'm not sure if the magazine does, but he is one of the artists who shares his favorite power-pop song. Scott's favorite power-pop song is (surprise! surprise!) "Couldn't I Just Tell You" by Todd Rundgren. From http://www.magnetmagazine.com/contents/powerpop.html Scott Miller, Loud Family "Couldnt I Just Tell You" Todd Rundgren It had the strongest real-life effect on me, telling the absolute truth about being a teenager in the grip of unrequited lovethat feeling of, "Oh, you cant just address this heavenly creature with mere everyday conversation." Its not the most inventive guitar solo ever, but its very possibly the most purely climactic. And power pop is about climaxes. Some of the artist selections are surprising.. Quote of the day "I cannot bring myself to use the term 'power pop.' Catchy mock-descriptive terms are for dilettantes and journalists. I guess you could say I think this music is for pussies and should be stopped." - -- Steve Alf*ingbini ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 17:10:57 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] That's Just What She Are (was: Andrewa Tapeswap review) At 02:17 PM 10/22/2002 -0400, jsharple@brooklaw.edu wrote: >I can't think of any other who stayed at the peak >of her craft and yet became so willfully boring. I'm sure folks will contend both the "peak of the craft" and the "willfully boring" parts, but I'll throw one out anyway: R.E.M. As much as I complain about UP and REVEAL, I've never contended that the individual songs that comprise these albums are slipshod or subpar, but taken as a whole, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Adult Contemporary later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 17:22:14 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] issue of interest At 03:00 PM 10/22/2002 -0700, Steve Holtebeck wrote: >Some of the artist selections are surprising.. Quote of the day >"I cannot bring myself to use the term 'power pop.' Catchy >mock-descriptive terms are for dilettantes and journalists. I guess you >could say I think this music is for pussies and should be stopped." >-- Steve Alf*ingbini I *knew* I should have gone to the Shellac show at the Slow Bar last night and kicked Albini's ass! gadfly don't bother me, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:34:54 -0700 From: "me" Subject: [loud-fans] puppet show http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/10/22/ DD62594.DTL contains the word 'Penis' - -- It's well known that if you take a lot of random noise, you can find chance patterns in it, and the Net makes it easier to collect random noise. Dr. James M. Robins, Professor of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at Harvard - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:05:53 -0700 From: "me" Subject: [loud-fans] gallery name, cd burning, crack fields jen takes the cake with UnderHouse Galleries. way cool. too bad we just found out last night that the landlord is selling the damn house. i may keep the name anyways. much cd burning tonight for all you i owe cds to. good news is that i looked at a live/work today, and i think i may just take it. nearly 7000 sq ft, $1495.00/mo. heh heh. i love the east bay. read it and weep, SFers. if i get it, all are welcome to visit the crack fields (you know, like corn fields, but not) of vallejo and play basketball in my living room. brianna - -- It's well known that if you take a lot of random noise, you can find chance patterns in it, and the Net makes it easier to collect random noise. Dr. James M. Robins, Professor of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at Harvard - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:40:10 -0700 From: "Douglas Stanley" Subject: [loud-fans] Top Ten and movies Top Ten (in the order they occured to me): The Wishing Chair - 10,000 Maniacs Exile on Main Street - The Rolling Stones Ziggy Stardust... - David Bowie Stoneage Romeos - Hoodoo Gurus Layla... - Derek and the Dominos Plants and Birds and Rocks and Things - The Loud Family The Sophtware Slump - Grandaddy London Calling - The Clash Submarine - Cat Heads No Depression - Uncle Tupelo Others: Waterbugs and Beetles - Anton Barbeau Wide Swing Tremelo - Son Volt American Beauty - Grateful Dead Any Sloan album Satellite rides - Old 97's Overcome By Happiness - The Pernice Brothers One Mississippi - Brendan Benson You and Your Sister - Vulgar Boatmen Rockin' and Romance - Jonathan Richman Eastside Story - Squeeze I saw 'Spirited Away' this weekend too. We all loved it (including the four-year-old). It's pretty wild - I can't think of anything I've seen that could compare to it. Couple that with the Donnie Darko DVD I rented and it was quite a twisted cinematic weekend. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:23:43 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] That's Just What She Are (was: Andrea Tapeswap review) I'm in the Aimee-has-gotten-terribly-dull camp, personally, but whatever your feelings on that issue are, I can heartily recommend as a counter-example (not samey slow pace or somber atmosphere) the new Richard Buckner album _Impasse_, which halfway through the fourth listen I'm thinking is at least the best thing he's done since _Devotion + Doubt_. (And yes, he still sings that way.) glenn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:45:01 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] opera? At Monday 10/21/2002 11:36 PM -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Finally: is there some backstory/cultural reference I'm missing in the >following? I noticed variations on the same phrase on two different >businesses' signs the other day (a sub shop and a window repair shop): >"your wife called - she wants you to pick up a [sub/new window]." What the >hell is up with that? Why would anyone's wife call the *store* and not her >husband? Is this some dumbass SNL skit I've missed because life's too >short for crap TV? Your questions are irksome. Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:46:53 -0400 From: Betsy Lescosky Way Subject: [loud-fans] Top 10 Spouses A little late since I don't get to my email as often as I should... In no particular order: 1. My Bloody Valentine -- Loveless (OK, this may really be #1) 2. Pavement -- Slanted & Enchanted (and this is tied for #1) 3. Matthew Sweet -- Girlfriend 4. Beck -- Mellow Gold 5. Teenage Fanclub -- Bandwagonesque 6. REM -- Reckoning 7. Game Theory -- The Big Shot Chronicles 8. Big Star -- Sister Lovers 9. Velvet Underground & Nico 10. Beatles -- Rubber Soul However, my iPod would argue that my all time #1 should be Beulah's "The Coast is Never Clear" because that one it plays the most. Spousal influence: Doug and I were both True Gamesters. I like things a little noisier, he likes them a little poppier. We had a lot overlap when we met, but I take credit for introducing him to Pavement and a fair amount of early 90s indie pop (Velocity Girl, Tiger Trap, the Pastels). He's responsible for getting me to listen Elvis Costello, the Specials, David Bowie and the English Beat. It's worked out pretty well. And we love Curb Your Enthusiasm. - --betsy betsy lescosky way pantone_367@mac.com homepage.mac.com/pantone_367 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 22:38:11 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Misc responses At 04:07 PM 10/21/2002 -0700, Elizabeth Brion wrote: >And on a subject that hasn't come up, but sometimes does: am I the only >person who winces every time the credit "Written by Daniel Palladino" >comes up at the beginning of the Gilmore Girls? i really think they >could replace it with a disclaimer that said, "All characters will be >annoying caricatures of themselves this week. Come back next week and >maybe we'll use a writer with a clue." Personally, I tend to like Daniel Palladino's scripts. However, I didn't recognize the name of whoever wrote tonight's episode, but I would respectfully request that this person's membership in the screenwriter's guild be immediately revoked. Man, what a steaming pile of antelope dung. S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 22:49:18 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Misc responses > tonight's episode [of Gilmore Girls] ... steaming pile of antelope dung. Giving it credit for "steaming" seems generous to me. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 22:55:17 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] gallery name, cd burning, crack fields In a message dated 10/22/02 7:07:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, me@justanotherfuckin.com writes: > $1495.00/mo Oh my God. Are these earth dollars? This is a bargain? What do they pay people out there? Do kids at Mcjobs make like, 12 dollars an hour, instead of minimum wage? Do people shack up like, 5 to an apartment? - -Mark S. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 22:25:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] issue of interest On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > I'm not sure if the magazine does, but he is one of the artists who > shares his favorite power-pop song. Scott's favorite power-pop song is > (surprise! surprise!) "Couldn't I Just Tell You" by Todd Rundgren. > > >From http://www.magnetmagazine.com/contents/powerpop.html > > Scott Miller, Loud Family > "Couldnt I Just Tell You" Todd Rundgren > It had the strongest real-life effect on me, telling the absolute truth > about being a teenager in the grip of unrequited lovethat feeling of, > "Oh, you cant just address this heavenly creature with mere everyday > conversation." Its not the most inventive guitar solo ever, but its > very possibly the most purely climactic. And power pop is about > climaxes. And about amusingly misheard lines (or maybe not so misheard: Todd might've been having a bit of a giggle - esp. a couple lines after "turn your back"): "and put it in your rear..." - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Some see things as they are, and say "Why?" ::Some see things as they could be, and say "Why not?" ::Some see things that aren't there, and say "Huh?" np: Rondellus _Sabbatum_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 23:37:35 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] all apologies Ravi Zacharias has this great radio program called "Let My People Think" that I listen to and I wanted to suggest you guys check out one of his programs on his website. He's a Christian apologist that would not insult the intelligence of this list. I could listen to the man for hours. He's definitely not a dim bulb. His new book is called _Sense and Sensuality_ and it is an imaginary conversation between Jesus Christ and Oscar Wilde, and I'm asking Santa for it this year. Either that or a cat book. - -Mark S. np: Morrissey _My Early Burglary Years_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 23:11:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] gallery name, cd burning, crack fields On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/22/02 7:07:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > me@justanotherfuckin.com writes: > > > $1495.00/mo > > Oh my God. Are these earth dollars? This is a bargain? What do they pay > people out there? Do kids at Mcjobs make like, 12 dollars an hour, instead > of minimum wage? Do people shack up like, 5 to an apartment? Welcome to America. To be fair, you omit that this space is 7,000 square feet: by comparison, our house is 1,500 sqft. So yeah, if they wanted (ignoring whatever building or housing codes might exist), Brianna and Ed could divvy up the space and rent it out, perhaps for the large dinero. But you're missing the point: this is a *bargain* out there. And your comments about what people are paid vs. what housing actually costs in larger cities is *very* well taken...and might cause another one of those sociopolitical discussions in which *some* crazed left-wing member of this list suggests that housing really shouldn't be completely subject to the whims of the market, particularly not in cramped urban areas surrounded on all sides by water, mountains, or other non-negotiable barriers, since it means either everyone rents and creates both a disengaged class of renters with no permanent stake and a parasitic class of landlords, and also prohibits essential urban personnel like teachers, cops, and our heroes of the last year, firefighters, from being able to actually live in the cities they work in, thereby loosening their sense of connection and engagement with the people and texture of the cities and populations they're supposed to be teaching and protecting - but I won't, because I don't do that any more cuz it leads only to arguments. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::No man is an island. ::But if you take a bunch of dead guys and tie 'em together, ::they make a pretty good raft. __Max Cannon__ np: beginning: Soft Boys _Side Three_ end: Larry Tucker's mix CDR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 23:14:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] opera? On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, Roger Winston wrote: > At Monday 10/21/2002 11:36 PM -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote, and wrote, and wrote, and wrote some more: > > >Finally [several hundred words later, it ends] > > Your questions are irksome. Perhaps you should take your furs and your > literal interpretations to the other side of the river. Ha. I *got* that one. Who you callin' Baltic? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 00:41:58 -0400 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Atlantic City? Maybe you guys like to go to Atlantic City and enjoy it. No offense, but I had to go to there for a trade show a couple years ago, and in my opinion it's one the worst cities I've ever visited. I ended up taking a 1 am Greyhound from Port Authority New York with the late nighters who were just going to go directly to the casinos and start gambling all night. That sort of set the tone for my experience of the place. There were quite a few elderly people on that bus and one man who was in a wheelchair --none of these people were going with each other, everyone was on their own. We pulled into the lower part of the hotel which was a bus drop off, and the waiting area was filled with people sleeping the night there. Maybe I saw it from the wrong side but I just can't think of much good to say about that place. Most the people on the gambling floor were senior citizens where I stayed. I paid two hundred fifty dollars a night for a terrible room. The walls in the hallways were floor to ceiling with mirrors and the carpeting was a garish purple plaid that made me dizzy. I had to show the housekeeper a photo ID before she would let me into my room, the food was expensive and horrible. It's a depressing group of new casinos stuck along this corridor amidst this older neighborhood. If I were to ever go back there, that's what I would check out. There were some very cool little diners that have remained unchanged since the sixties and some small restaurants outside the casino area that seemed interesting. I think it's a very poorly designed area as a destination. The hotels and casinos are completely self contained and aren't integrated into the neighborhood at all. The area just seems designed to load the gamblers in and out, and so many never leave the casinos. I guess if you like to play cards it could be fun for awhile. I don't play cards or particularly enjoy gambling so it held nothing for me. I did visit the Atlantic City boardwalk in the seventies and I loved it. It was starting to fade but it still had such an aura of excitement and fun. There was nothing like that back in Michigan. The huge roller coaster next to the ocean, the crowds, it was very romantic and huge to me. It's too bad a better job wasn't done with that city. Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 23:54:20 -0500 From: Jack Lippold Subject: Re: [loud-fans] All time Top 10s Not in any particular order; (gosh...so many debuts!) LOUD FAMILY - Plants and Birds and Rocks and Things GAME THEORY - Lolita Nation PINK FLOYD - The Piper at the Gates of Dawn PRETTY THINGS - S. F. Sorrow AL STEWART - Love Chronicles THEY MIGHT BE GIANTS - debut SPARKS - debut LED ZEPPELIN III ROBYN HITCHCOCK - I Often Dream of Trains GRUPPO SPORTIVO - 10 Mistakes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 01:21:19 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] issue of interest > I've been wondering where the hell my copy is. Did they mention Scott? > > -Mark S. I don't know. I haven't had time to read anything but the QOTSA article. I didn't see a picture of him anywhere. I did see a pic of Let's Active. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 22:23:32 -0700 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] all apologies > His new book is called _Sense and Sensuality_ and > it is an imaginary conversation between Jesus Christ and Oscar Wilde, and I'm > asking Santa for it this year. I hope Jesus and Oscar get along well in the imaginary conversation. I think they would. I think Santa might feel like an outsider, though. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 01:32:44 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] gallery name, cd burning, crack fields me wrote: > > jen takes the cake with UnderHouse Galleries. way cool. Wow! I feel so honored. Thank you. Hope whatever new place you find to house it (under, or otherwise) works out well for you! Jen ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #371 *******************************