From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #355 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, October 9 2002 Volume 02 : Number 355 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] ashes to ashes, DUST to crap ["Roger Winston" ] Re: [loud-fans] let's bash mayo, chapter 583. [Michael Bowen ] Re: [loud-fans] what the...? ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] squeaky gerbil wheel gets greased [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] squeaky gerbil wheel gets greased [John F Butland ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:01:40 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: [loud-fans] ashes to ashes, DUST to crap Way back on Wed, 4 Sep 2002 07:33:29, Miles Goosens wrote: > Lest anyone think I'm making fun of Mark for only noticing the Furs CDs > this week or for being unduly '80s-fixated, I didn't know there was a new > Peter Murphy until I saw a barely-used copy at Grimey's on Saturday. The > *briefest* track on it is 6:34! I popped it into the CD player on the way > to work today, so after my 20-minute commute I'm only 2 1/2 songs into > it! Nothing grabbed me like DEEP's "The Line Between the Devil's Teeth," > "Cuts You Up," or "Strange Kind of Love," but then again, the first three > tracks of DEEP aren't immediate grabbers either. I did think that what I > heard was like "Peter Murphy sings Peter Gabriel" -- the first song > threatened to turn into "The Family and the Fishing Net," and I half > expected the second to turn into "Zaar." Will report again when I've > actually heard the whole thing, preferably more than once. Miles, I wish you had kept your promise and reported back on the latest Peter Murphy CD, DUST. I recently listened to this, and am sad to say that's one hour plus of my life (and some amount of money) I'll never get back. Luckily, I was driving while listening to it, and so was actually accomplishing other things. Though I was in danger of falling asleep and crashing into something. I kept screaming at the stereo, "C'mon Peter, pick up the tempo! Let's have some drums! SING, dammit!!" The Peter Gabriel analogy is apt. It's also like he's trying to be David Sylvian now, but with less melody. Major suckitude. Oh well, at least the CD booklet (like apparently all issues on Metropolis) was glossy and it felt really nice to the touch. Haven't seen that much since the old Enigma days! Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:19:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] let's bash mayo, chapter 583. On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, John Swartzentruber wrote: > >But I do like whisky, whiskey, and even mayonnaise (except on a ham > >sandwich--ick). I'd have to say that whiskey and mayonnaise would be awful on damned near anything...although, having made a steak recipe involving whiskey and Irish Cream, I may be prepared to take that back, if a suitable mayo-based sauce can be put together. > Isn't it time for someone to tell Eric Idle's joke about American beer? I thought it was John Cleese's, actually. Anyway, why is American beer like making love in a canoe? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::beliefs are ideas going bald:: __Francis Picabia__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 17:28:44 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] let's bash mayo, chapter 583. On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:19:14 -0500 (CDT), Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >> Isn't it time for someone to tell Eric Idle's joke about American beer? > >I thought it was John Cleese's, actually. Hmm. I can hear and see Eric telling it in my head. Maybe Eric told John's joke on SNL? No actually, it couldn't have been on SNL. I did find one reference to it that credited John Cleese. Where is it from? Hollywood Bowl? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 17:28:43 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The gerbil on the exercise wheel that is my mind (meant good naturedly) At 03:26 PM 10/8/2002 EDT, Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: >Roger hates me too. I wonder if he talks to Stewart about me sometimes. I >wish I could be so smart and cool like them. Where do they find the time to >be so up on books and movies? Do they work full time? Well, I can't speak for Roger, but in my own case, I find that not spending several hours per week wasting time and energy in whiny self-justification and pissy sulking to a bunch of total strangers gives me plenty of time for stuff like a full-time job, freelance work, quality time with my wife and friends, the occasional night out seeing a movie or a play or a band, and even a few TV shows, plus I still have time to curl up on the couch with a good book or the new issue of Mojo. You know, being a grown-up and having a life. Perhaps you could try it sometime. S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:04:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Jon Tveite Subject: [loud-fans] Too much of a good thing Could somebody please tell me the secret handshake for getting subscribed to the digest version of this list? I've been giving Majordomo a major workout, but I can't figure it out. I don't want to cut the cord just yet, but I can't deal with the sheer numbers of messages these days. Thanks much, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:24:18 -0400 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] let's bash mayo, chapter 583. At 01:46 PM 10/8/2002 -0400, John Swartzentruber wrote: >But I like bourbon and Coke. Now what? Back in the day, I loved bourbon and Jolt cola when I went out dancing. MB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:31:39 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] let's bash mayo, chapter 583. > > Isn't it time for someone to tell Eric Idle's joke about American beer? from a menu this weekend: You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline - it helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer. - --Frank Zappa - -- It's well known that if you take a lot of random noise, you can find chance patterns in it, and the Net makes it easier to collect random noise. Dr. James M. Robins, Professor of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at Harvard - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:52:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] squeaky gerbil wheel gets greased I rented the remade _Ocean's 11_ the other night, and at one point George Clooney's character says to Brad Pitt's, "Ted Nugent called - he wants his shirt back." And that got me thinking about The Nuge. He has a certain relatively rare quality, that of being essentially impossible to parody. Anything you could think of to parody him, he'd probably do, for real. So, for example, a parodic "Ted Nugent writes about bowhunting and manliness" essay would read almost exactly like the real thing. And if Ted had enough brain cells left to rub together, such that he'd be capable of conceiving the notion of self-parody, that too would read pretty much exactly like the stuff he writes when he's *not* parodying himself. I'm just saying, is all. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::In terms of the conjunctures of cultures, [LA is] less like a salad bowl ::and more like a TV dinner with those little aluminium barriers keeping ::all the vegetables in their places. __Catherine Ann Driscoll__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:55:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] what the...? I swear I'm not making this up: I saw a storefront with a sign above the doorway that said: SWEENEY TODD SALON Don't believe me? Call 414 962-2922... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::To be the center of the universe, don't orbit things:: __Scott Miller__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:17:08 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] what the...? eh. i'd like to meet the sense of humour behind that sign. along highway 1 right now there is a lot of bridge work going on, and the usual bucycle signs are sharing posts with construction signs. the result is this: CAUTION BRIDGE CONSTRUCTION WATCH FOR BICYCLES no wonder caltrans is so damn slow... - -- It's well known that if you take a lot of random noise, you can find chance patterns in it, and the Net makes it easier to collect random noise. Dr. James M. Robins, Professor of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at Harvard - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" To: "a nation town" Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 3:55 PM Subject: [loud-fans] what the...? > I swear I'm not making this up: I saw a storefront with a sign above the > doorway that said: > > SWEENEY TODD SALON > > Don't believe me? Call 414 962-2922... > > --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html > ::To be the center of the universe, don't orbit things:: > __Scott Miller__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:09:53 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] squeaky gerbil wheel gets greased On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > manliness" essay would read almost exactly like the real thing. And if Ted > had enough brain cells left to rub together, such that he'd be capable of > conceiving the notion of self-parody, that too would read pretty much doesn't he, though? i remember readin/hearing an interview w/him a few years back in which he said words to the effect that, his "if it's too loud you're too old" stance notwithstanding, he wouldn't step in front of the mains for all the tea in outer mongolia. i've always thought that some of the "dumb" rock'n'rollers are really being who they are, and some had just found a bankable product line. like, i think bon scott was the deal, and brian johnson is the formula (even if that very first johnson record is one of the band's artistic peaks.) anyway, i figure nugent for being smarter than he seems. i think a certain amount of business acumen (canniness if you prefer) is nearly unarguable. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 21:53:45 -0300 From: John F Butland Subject: Re: [loud-fans] squeaky gerbil wheel gets greased At 08:09 PM 02-10-08 -0400, dmw wrote: >anyway, i figure nugent for being smarter than he seems. Christ, he'd have to be, if only to lay claim to possessing an autonomic nervous system. best, jfb John F Butland O- butland@nbnet.nb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 21:18:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] squeaky gerbil wheel gets greased On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, dmw wrote: > i've always thought that some of the "dumb" rock'n'rollers are really > being who they are, and some had just found a bankable product line. > like, i think bon scott was the deal, and brian johnson is the formula > (even if that very first johnson record is one of the band's artistic > peaks.) > > anyway, i figure nugent for being smarter than he seems. i think a > certain amount of business acumen (canniness if you prefer) is nearly > unarguable. I suppose...although I don't think he's made much from music lately, has he? On the other hand, for all I know he has a whole bowhunting empire. Canniness isn't the same as intelligence, of course (whatever that is), but as I said in a private e-mail to another list member, Nugent's grasp on reality seems rather tenuous... That is, the reality he seems to believe is out there is rather different from mine. But don't listen to me - I kinda like mayonnaise. (Although lately I've been using "Nayonnaise" (soy-based) cuz it helps me in efforts to attain a more svelte, elegant figure. Texturally, it's even more repulsive than real mayo (sorry, doug), but it tastes fine methinks, esp. if you mix other stuffs into it.) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ np: Something or other Beast _Feckless Something Something_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:34:56 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The gerbil, the thief, his wife, her lover In a message dated 10/8/02 4:07:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rwinston@tde.com writes: > And Mark is certainly welcome to exercise his free will and post personal > messages of mine to the List That is where I am in the wrong. I did not realize it was posted just to me alone, and that is the truth. I thought it was posted to the entire list. So Roger, I apologize. But honestly, that was meant to be funny, and I hope you, Stewart, and others got a little chuckle out of it, even if I mistakenly quoted part of a private post of yours to the list. Hard as I try, I just never seem to get the Loudfan shuffle down pat. It's like doing great on your driving test but ultimately failing because you never completely released the emergency brake. - -Mark S. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 23:47:05 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The gerbil, the thief, his wife, her lover > That is where I am in the wrong. I did not realize it was posted just to me > alone, and that is the truth. I thought it was posted to the entire list. > So Roger, I apologize. But honestly, that was meant to be funny, and I hope > you, Stewart, and others got a little chuckle out of it, even if I mistakenly > quoted part of a private post of yours to the list. Hard as I try, I just > never seem to get the Loudfan shuffle down pat. It's like doing great on > your driving test but ultimately failing because you never completely > released the emergency brake. I think Mark needs a boost here, so I will say that I thought his long rambling post was funny. I wish everyone would take it easy on this subject. I can't see what good the public chastisement is doing. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 00:53:19 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: [loud-fans] an actual music related post http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/nm/20021007/en_nm/leisure_mekons_dc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 02:22:59 -0400 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: [loud-fans] Joe Frank A couple years ago I posted about how much I like this guy's radio show that he does from KCRW in California. These shows can only work in radio. I don't know much about his life or how much of these shows are scripted but there is such character to his on air persona, and also horrible self absorption, and a truly great twisted humor. Recurring themes on death, religion, love, futility. For the past year the hour long show consists of telephone conversations with various people his radio persona knows, who reveal the most intimate and self absorbed details of their lives in these rants, while he just lets them talk, and hang themselves, a little bored, lots of call waiting "do you mind if I get that?" interspersed with some very moving and real recorded lectures on Buddhism. The background music is usually a repeating riff of some tune or another usually with a strong bass line. Here's the link. http://www.kcrw.org/cgi-bin/db/kcrw.pl?tmplt_type=program&show_code=jf I love the medium of radio. I love good radio that allows me to concentrate on other things, unlike television which can be so time consuming and distracting. Carolyn ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #355 *******************************