From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #348 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, October 5 2002 Volume 02 : Number 348 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] The funniest joke in the world [John Cooper ] Re: [loud-fans] reissue mania [jsharple@brooklaw.edu] Re: [loud-fans] joisey [Tim_Walters@digidesign.com] Re: [loud-fans] Tull [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] joisey [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Tull [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] The funniest joke in the world [steve ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:51:04 -0700 From: John Cooper Subject: [loud-fans] The funniest joke in the world After a painstaking study, the British Association for the Advancement of Science has determined that this is the funniest joke in the world: A couple of New Jersey hunters are out in the woods when one of them falls to the ground. He doesn't seem to be breathing, his eyes are rolled back in his head. The other guy whips out his cell phone and calls the emergency services. He gasps to the operator: 'My friend is dead! What can I do?' The operator, in a calm, soothing voice, says: 'Just take it easy. I can help. First, let's make sure he9s dead.' There is a silence, then a shot is heard. The guy's voice comes back on the line. He says: 'OK, now what?' [source: <http://msnbc.com/news/624553.asp?pne=msn>] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 11:19:06 -0500 From: Chris Prew Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The funniest joke in the world On Friday, October 4, 2002, at 10:51 AM, John Cooper wrote: > After a painstaking study, the British Association for the Advancement > of Science has determined that this is the funniest joke in the world: > > A couple of New Jersey hunters are out in the woods when one of them > falls to the ground. He doesn't seem to be breathing, his eyes are > rolled back in his head. > > The other guy whips out his cell phone and calls the emergency > services. He gasps to the operator: 'My friend is dead! What can I > do?' > > The operator, in a calm, soothing voice, says: 'Just take it easy. I > can help. First, let's make sure he9s dead.' > > There is a silence, then a shot is heard. The guy's voice comes back > on the line. He says: 'OK, now what?' > > [source: > <http://msnbc.com/news/ > 624553.asp?pne=msn>] > > Later in the same article: "If you want to tell a funny animal joke, make it a duck." Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:48:21 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The funniest joke in the world In a message dated 10/4/02 11:55:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, john.cooper@pobox.com writes: > After a painstaking study, the British Association for the > Advancement of Science has determined that this is the funniest joke > in the world: > > A couple of New Jersey hunters are out in the woods when one of them > falls to the ground. He doesn't seem to be breathing, his eyes are > rolled back in his head. > > The other guy whips out his cell phone and calls the emergency > services. He gasps to the operator: 'My friend is dead! What can I > do?' > > The operator, in a calm, soothing voice, says: 'Just take it easy. I > can help. First, let's make sure he9s dead.' > > There is a silence, then a shot is heard. The guy's voice comes back > on the line. He says: 'OK, now what?' > > Well it is funny. I've never figured that out, why Jersey is the butt of so many jokes. I like living there, it's a good state. Even with the whole Senate soap opera going on now. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:47:43 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The funniest joke in the world In a message dated 10/4/02 1:49:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, AWeiss4338@aol.com writes: > Well it is funny. I've never figured that out, why Jersey is the butt of so > many jokes. Really. Me either. South Carolina is mercifully spared often times, I think because nobody can abbreviate the name of the state in jokes. More than two syllables and it takes away from the degradation. This state requires visuals for joke telling. "There's Something About Mary" is a good example. Apparently highway rest areas here are hopping with activity. Humor is such an iffy thing. Sometimes I wonder if my humor makes anyone laugh on list. All I hear is the whir of my computer. Right now my mother has just taken all the blurbs on t-shirts out of the Harriet Carter gift catalog and compiled them on the computer and printed them out because she thinks they're funny. I DO pay rent to live here, in my own way. - -Mark S. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:24:10 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: [loud-fans] Potentially offensive to Led Zep fans http://www.rathergood.com/vikings/ (funny flash animation, musical) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:32:25 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Potentially offensive to Led Zep fans Dave Walker: >http://www.rathergood.com/vikings/ > >(funny flash animation, musical) > While I think this actually elevates the song to a higher level, I was distressed to discover how much the lyrics for this song suck. Egads. Spinal Tap makes more sense than ever... R. Kevin Doyle (still here) Hawaii ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:57:21 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Potentially offensive to Led Zep fans On Friday, October 4, 2002, at 03:32 PM, R. Kevin Doyle wrote: > While I think this actually elevates the song to a higher level, I was > distressed to discover how much the lyrics for this song suck. Egads. > Spinal Tap makes more sense than ever... That was pretty much my reaction. Like most folks, I've probably heard the song hundreds of times on the radio, but I never paid attention to the.. the... poetry. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:35:14 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The funniest joke in the world Cripes, make them both blondes and have her call her hairdresser instead of 911 and it's already even funnier. For that matter, make the dead one a red-head and give the hairdresser a lisp. Honestly, it's like they didn't even try. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:52:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The funniest joke in the world On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, glenn mcdonald wrote: > Cripes, make them both blondes and have her call her hairdresser instead of > 911 and it's already even funnier. For that matter, make the dead one a > red-head and give the hairdresser a lisp. Honestly, it's like they didn't even > try. Yes, but your version omits any mention of a duck. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:53:12 -0400 From: jsharple@brooklaw.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] reissue mania Quoting Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey : > What, EMI thinks there aren't > enough Beatles geeks in the world to support all three? I'm astonished by how relatively *underexploited* their catalog is, especially before ANTHOLOGY. YELLOW SUB is a good indication they're starting to loosen up. Here's my short list of what needs to be released *immediately*: - -LET IT BE (the movie) on DVD. The restored film was mastered for DVD a few years ago, I have no idea why it's laying in Apple's vault, not making any money. - -If I were running things, I would accompany the LET IT BE DVD with a) remixed/remastered CD of the original album, b) remixed/remastered CD of Glyn Johns' original GET BACK album, w/original artwork (the parody of their debut album cover), and c) an optional deluxe box set comprising all of the above plus a new edition of the nice picture book that accompanied initial LP pressings, plus a bonus DVD of outtakes from the film. Some of these clips surfaced in the ANTHOLOGY home video, and there's some priceless bitching. George: "Well, if you've GOT me on the roof, I guess I'll play, but do I WANT to go on the roof? NO, of COURSE I don't want to go on the roof...!!" - -LIVE AT THE HOLLYWOOD BOWL on DVD. Hello! Why is the only official live album from the greatest band ever in the time/space dimension not available on CD? Get on it, and don't even *think* about not including both the '64 and '65 shows in their entirety. Fabs were no good live? Wait'll you hear this. And those Vox 100 watters turned up to eleven? Yikes! - -LIVE AT SHEA STADIUM on DVD. Restored, pristine footage of this film (by the Maysles brothers, no less), with breathtakingly rich color tones and surprisingly superb sound quality showed up in ANTHOLOGY. I almost fainted when I first saw it, and then practically wept at the sight of this fantastic rock concert being held on these most sacred of premises, in their original, Lindsay-era, unremodeled glory. If you want to see a human being almost explode from too much joy, check out Lennon on "I'm Down." What's that you say? You can't check it out? Because this DVD doesn't EXIST? Ah, whatever, you're not missing anything special....not like this was a significant cultural event or anything...go rent GLITTER, just as good. - -All the promo clips compiled on DVD. There are some awesome moments: a scalding "Revolution" with live vocals, wonderful psychedelic experimental filmmaking for "SF4E"/"Penny Lane", and "A Day in the Life", and a gorgeous pair of clips by Michael Lindsey-Hogg for "Paperback Writer"/"Rain"...a lot of this is in ANTHOLOGY, but nothing is in its entirety, and a lot of cool stuff is missing. And this IS the origin of MTV, after all. Come on. Give it up, fuckers! - -And as Jeff said, all the original albums in mono, original stereo (for the first four LPs which are ONLY available on CD in mono) and new digitally remixed and remastered versions. On the latter I would include the apposite unreleased tracks and non-LP singles and B-sides as bonus sections, so we can here that stuff in context. The good news is that I noticed just recently that the market has been flooded by bootleg DVDs and CDs of this stuff, and usually when that happens EMI and Apple wake up and do the official release. The bad news is that they generally do a piss-poor rush job (see the red and blue albums). > * am I right that on the early stuff, stereo mixes were only done on the > American versions of the albums? Or am I misremembering? I'm too lazy to > go down to my bookshelves and dig out The Bible (a/k/a Lewisohn's Abbey > Road Sessions book). No, all of the albums were released in both mono and stereo. What you may be thinking of are the early singles. Quite often the Beatles didn't include the single on the concurrent album, and mono was the dominant format for singles, so often they didn't mix songs slated for single release in stereo (but then they'd go back a couple of years later, when some hits package was being compiled and do stereo mixes. Interestingly, only their very last single ("The Long and Winding Road") was released in stereo only. Another thing you may be thinking of is the notorious "electronically reprocessed" stereo that Capitol did. They did this for two reasons: one, because they stuck single tracks on albums over here (see above), and two, just pure haste! Stereo mixes were available for most of the songs, but apparently Capitol could get their hands on mono mixes faster, and they were so frightened that the whole fad was going to blow over at any moment, they just blew the damn things through an EQ filter and jetted them down to the pressing plants just as fast as their stubby little legs would carry them. NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE! JS - ------------------------------- This mail sent through Brooklyn Law School WebMail http://www.brooklaw.edu/webmail - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:16:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Potentially offensive to Led Zep fans On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, R. Kevin Doyle wrote: > Dave Walker: > > >http://www.rathergood.com/vikings/ > > > >(funny flash animation, musical) > > While I think this actually elevates the song to a higher level, I was > distressed to discover how much the lyrics for this song suck. Egads. > Spinal Tap makes more sense than ever... *sigh*. Okay, I'll grant you completely that the last verse is irredeemable, tacked on, and clumsy. (My theory is that Plant wrote the rest of the song, getting into it, then looked around and said, "Wait - all our hippie fans are into peace and love and all that. I can't just leave this here with all the blood and gore and threshing oars and all. Let's see...'Be good, children - we didn't mean it'? Nah...") And I'll also grant you that, after Spinal Tap, any attempts to evoke certain mythical pasts are ipso fact ridiculous.* But I'm not sure that's universally true, and I dunno, I just kinda like the first two verses. I mean, go and read the Eddas, or Beowulf, and it's pretty much the same shit. And look, I'll argue this in the face of Spinal Tap and everything else: that (using the site's orthography) "aaaaaaaaah-ah!" vocal thing is just a brilliant and memorable musical device, esp. in its hair-raising suspension on the diminished fifth yadda yadda yadda. In brief, to sum up, and to conclude: it rocks. So there. - --Jeffrey "from the land of the ice and snow" with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::American people like their politics like Pez - small, sweet, and ::coming out of a funny plastic head. __Dennis Miller__ * see also critical dismissals of Jethro Tull. Ian Anderson's touring about, and it seems critics just can't resist throwing in some reference to "Renaissance Festivals" and all. Even though Tull really only got medieval on our asses on an album or two, and generally didn't do so whole hog in terms of lyrical approach, and instead were at least a bit cynical and satirical about the whole thing. I mean, I know prog rock's supposed to be all humorless...but people who think that haven't read the brilliant "newspaper" that came w/early issues of _Thick as a Brick_. I just like the idea of this little kid, peering up the skirts of slightly older young ladies, stuck with a moniker like "Little Milton" - which, of course, simultaneously tweaks Milton, John and the blues guy Little Milton. Whoa, tweaking a blues guy? Better call Bonnie Raitt...(Christ, I'd better go listen to the Sex Pistols quick.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:29:02 -0500 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Potentially effusive Tull fans >...the brilliant "newspaper" that came w/early issues >of _Thick as a Brick_... ...and comes again with the reissue. Speaking of which, reissues of _Warchild_ and _Minstrel in the Gallery_ are scheduled to be released next week. Russ, from the land of rock and cactus. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 17:45:01 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Potentially offensive to Led Zep fans At 04:16 PM 10/4/2002 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >And look, I'll argue this in the face of Spinal Tap and everything else: >that (using the site's orthography) "aaaaaaaaah-ah!" vocal thing is just a >brilliant and memorable musical device, esp. in its hair-raising >suspension on the diminished fifth yadda yadda yadda. > >In brief, to sum up, and to conclude: it rocks. I will certainly concede that, and raise you "Whole Lotta Love" and...what's that goofy faux-reggae one? Is that "D'Yer Mak'er"? Yeah, all three of 'em rock. My distaste for Zep, however, stems that in the annals of rock and roll, a music rife with -- nay, built upon! -- blatant thievery, Jimmy Page is the most blatant and unrepentant thief of them all. If there would just be like a MOJO interview where he finally said "Yeah, I nicked 'Whole Lotta Love' off Willie Dixon, and Eddie Phillips showed me how to do that bowed-guitar thing when he was my guitar tech, and most of the first couple albums were straight-up blues riffs that I never bothered to mention were written by these old guys back in the '40s, but whadaya gonna do," then I'd at least be satisfied that he cops to it. But not even the mudshark story is actually theirs! >* see also critical dismissals of Jethro Tull. Ian Anderson's touring >about, and it seems critics just can't resist throwing in some reference >to "Renaissance Festivals" and all. Even though Tull really only got >medieval on our asses on an album or two, and generally didn't do so whole >hog in terms of lyrical approach, and instead were at least a bit cynical >and satirical about the whole thing. Not only that, but the first of those medieval albums, SONGS FROM THE WOOD, is pretty much the only really good thing they did. To some of us, anyway. Because Ian's whole style of playing the flute? See above, substituting "old '40s blues guys" with "Rahsaan Roland Kirk." He's nothing but a pale imitation, and I'm not just talking about his pasty skin. >I mean, I know prog rock's supposed >to be all humorless...but people who think that haven't read the brilliant >"newspaper" that came w/early issues of _Thick as a Brick_. Or heard Hatfield and the North ("Your Majesty Is Like A Cream Doughnut"? "Big John Wayne Decks Psychology on the Jaw"? Verses of songs sung while gargling? Now, really...), or Tom Newman, or hell, giant-hogweed-era Genesis! S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:47:06 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Potentially offensive to Led Zep fans >But I'm not sure that's universally true, and I dunno, I just kinda like >the first two verses. I mean, go and read the Eddas, or Beowulf, and it's >pretty much the same shit. My objection isn't that it's about Vikings, it's that, unlike the Eddas or Beowulf, it's a mess, running Viking signifiers together to no real effect. That said, it doth rock, and the lyrics aren't any worse than those of many songs about less-stigmatized topics. And I agree with you about Tull. - --some stupid with a flare-gun ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:02:54 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: [loud-fans] Tull >Not only that, but the first of those medieval albums, SONGS FROM THE WOOD, >is pretty much the only really good thing they did. To some of us, anyway. > Because Ian's whole style of playing the flute? See above, substituting >"old '40s blues guys" with "Rahsaan Roland Kirk." He's nothing but a pale >imitation, and I'm not just talking about his pasty skin. I'm not sure this is totally fair. There's no doubt he copped a lot of his style, arguably most, from Kirk, but unlike Page he owned up to it (at least to the extent of covering a Kirk tune, credited), and since he usually puts it in a completely different musical context from Kirk's, I would argue that it's "taking Kirk's innovations and running with them in a new direction" rather than "ripoff." Whereas when I see a cover of "Black Mountain Side" credited to Page instead of Bert Jansch or at least Traditional, my head explodes. My problem with Tull is that almost every album has something on it that bugs the crap out of me, yet since they're very good about making each album its own little concept/sound world, the good songs are less effective when removed from the context of the albums. So I end up taking the rough with the smooth. Side 1 of AQUALUNG is great, as are most of THICK AS A BRICK and WARCHILD. And you could make a killer single album out of LIVING IN THE PAST, and since it's a grab bag to begin with you wouldn't miss the rest too much. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:18:17 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Fwd: [loud-fans] The funniest joke in the world This was meant for the list: Return-path: From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Full-name: AWeiss4338 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:16:41 EDT Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The funniest joke in the world To: amilenski@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10577 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain In a message dated 10/4/02 1:56:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, amilenski@hotmail.com writes: > I won't editorialize here because I live in Ohio. > > But you really must hear the amazing song "New Jersey" by Stanley Matis. > Go > out and rent the movie IT'S A COMPLEX WORLD for snippets of it. > > You know, this joke may seem a little lame for the "funniest ever" but I > admit I laughed the first time we heard it. What this proves is that most > people have a sick sense of humor. > > I wonder how the joke about the brick rated???? > > Hi, I agree, it is lame, and somewhat sick. I'll have to see the film, I do want to hear that song. Never heard the one about the brick. Have you ever heard John Gorka's song New Jersey. Very droll, from another Jersey person. Yours, Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:21:55 -0400 From: jsharple@brooklaw.edu Subject: [loud-fans] TV stuff: catching up Quoting Miles Goosens : > Don't remember, but I'd date the second heyday around 1987-1992 -- i.e., > the > Lovitz-Miller-Carvey-Hartman-Hooks-Dunn-Nealon-Jackson cast, with Mike > Myers > taking things even higher once he came on board. Still my favorite cast, > really, and say that even though I have first-hand memories of the Sainted > Original Cast. I'd have to agree: 1987-92 had the highest overall quality in both cast and writing. The original cast is, just as you say, sainted--they were all tremendously gifted comics and earned deserved legendary status--but can you actually sit through one of those shows today? The writing was nowhere near as funny as it thought it was half the time. Back then, it was super fresh, so we remember it fondly, but a lot of stuff didn't age well. With every new era come the complaints that this is the worst edition ever, it'll never be as good as before, starting with the notorious Jean Doumanian season. But if you catch some reruns, every era had its moments. For me, the most underrated cast was right around '85, with Billy Crystal, Julia Louis-Dreyfuss, Rich Hall, Martin Short, DOn Novello, Joan Cusack, Randy Quaid, Robert Downey, Jr. (!), Damon Wayans, and, believe it or not, Dennis Miller. Too bad the writing sucked. Great defense of RAYMOND, Miles. I'll have to start watching it (it's always on at asharplesian viewing times). > As for Ray Romano's acting, I think he started out more or less playing > himself, but he's actually developed as an actor during the course of the > show, and he's quite good now, far better than Jerry Seinfeld Back when the show was on, we all took it for granted that Seinfeld couldn't act (I think even the show itself winked at this), but I've started to watch the reruns again after laying off it for about five years, and now I think he was actually much better than he or anyone thought at the time. By which I don't mean that he's any Olivier, just that his physical presence--mannerisms, expressions, his overly stylized line deliveries--accounts for some substantial comic mileage on that show. Moreover, I always thought Jason Alexander badly overacted his part, and that Michael Richard's schtick got less funny and more mildly annoying with each season. Julia Louis-Dreyfuss is a goddess, though, and all of the bit characters were terrific. But Jerry did a great job, in hindsight. JS - ------------------------------- This mail sent through Brooklyn Law School WebMail http://www.brooklaw.edu/webmail - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 19:16:19 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: [loud-fans] Bill Berry Plays with Stipe and Mills < REM NEWS- October 4, 2002, 10:44 am - Bill Berry Plays with Stipe and Mills> Bill Berry Plays with Stipe and Mills - This marks the first time Bill has played with members of REM since his departure in 1997 31 comments | add a comment Posted on October 4, 2002, 10:44 am by ethank Athens own Fabulous 40 Watt was the scene of a political fundraiser last night for Georgia State Sentator Doug Haines, who is gearing up for a re-election bid this November. In support of Haines, several local musicians banded together to perform "all-star" style sets of politically-themed covers. The night featured some tremendous music, pertinent speeches, and, as is typically the case on nights like this in Athens, a few major surprises. Mirrored from REMhq One of the night's many highlights was "Texarkana" sung by Mike during a blistering set by The Possibilities. Mike also returned a bit later to aid The Possibilities on Neil Young's "Keep On Rockin in the Free World." The evening's headlining act, Mills/Tonks, consisted of Mike (vocals, rhythm guitar) William Tonks (guitar), Paul "Crumpy" Edwards (Bass), former Pylon drummer Curtis Crowe, and R.E.M. alum, Bill Berry, who looked great and was on fine form. Bill and Curtis took turns on drums and percussion, and Bill provided backing vocals thoughout. Near the end of their set, the Mills/Tonks ensemble was joined by Michael Stipe on The Turtles "Happy Together." There was also a great version of "Superman" from Lifes Rich Pageant and "Lawyers, Guns, and Money" which Mike dedicated to Hindu Love God, Warren Zevon, who as we speak is battling cancer. Beyond Mills/Tonks and the Possibilities, pride of Bainbridge, Georgia, other luminaries in the Athens firmament who played included Jack Logan, Paul Lombard, Jeff Walls, Kathy Kirbo--and a good time was had by all. Here is the complete Mills/Tonks set list: Gunshow (Beat Farmers) Who'll Stop the Rain (Credence Clearwater Revival) Eve of Destruction (Barry McGuire) Superman Ohio (Neil Young) When Things Was Cheap (NRBQ) Happy Together (The Turtles) Lawyers, Guns, and Money (Warren Zevon) Elected (Alice Cooper) The night also included a rousing speech by Jason Carter, whose recent book Power Lines, documenting his experiences as a volunteer in South Africa, has garnered as much attention as his relationship to grandfather Jimmy Carter. Jason is a wonderful speaker, dynamic leader of young Democrats and second year law student. It was a night to remember of good music, good politics and a lot of people staying up a lot later than they normally do. Thanks to all the musicians who gave of their time and to Tony Eubanks, organizer extraordinaire. Now if everybody'll just vote! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:17:38 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Potentially offensive to Led Zep fans Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey >In brief, to sum up, and to conclude: it rocks. Mind you, that goes without saying. However, in this case, knowing the lyrics makes it rock a little less for me. On the other hand, every time I hear Plant sing 'We are you overlords,' I am now going to get an image of a small cat in Viking gear instead of an image of Robert Plant humping a microphone and that, my friend, is a good thing. R. Kevin Doyle Honolulu, HI ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 19:41:53 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: [loud-fans] joisey AWeiss4338@aol.com wrote: > > > But you really must hear the amazing song "New Jersey" by Stanley Matis. Okay, there's a song I heard once on a radio show when we lived in our second apartment in Princeton, so that would have been '83-'85 era. I believe the title was "The Rolling Mills of New Jersey." I don't know who the guys were who sung it, but it was both catchy and hilarious. I think it was done a capella. Does anyone know anything about this song or who did it? Here is what I can remember of the lyrics, and I'm not sure those verses are in order: Down in Trenton There's a bar Where the bums come From near and far They come by bus And they come by car The lousy bums of New Jersey In Hoboken There will be Trash as far As the eye can see Enough for you And enough for me The garbage cans of New Jersey When I was young I did roam I wandered far Away from Bayonne ? ? ? When I die Bury me deep Where I can hear The (?) creep ? ? The rolling mills of New Jersey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 19:43:44 -0400 From: jsharple@brooklaw.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] reissue mania Errata: During my Beatles wig, I demanded HOLLYWOOD BOWL on DVD. I meant CD, of course, as there's no proper film of those concerts, as far as I know, aside from some grainy newsreel footage. I also failed to mention that not only is the film LET IT BE not out on DVD, it's not out on video, it's not commercially available! There was a VHS but it went OOP (like YELLOW SUB) in a hail of litigation in the mid-80s. And in my SNL post, I forgot to pose the question: How hot is Tina Fey? OK, dumb question, she's stupid hot, so perhaps I should ask - what is it that makes her sooooo hot? is it the scar? The grad school chick frames? Man, she's a righteous piece of ass! Wait, can I say that on the list? JS - ------------------------------- This mail sent through Brooklyn Law School WebMail http://www.brooklaw.edu/webmail - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:47:28 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] joisey >When I was young >I did roam >I wandered far >Away from Bayonne >? >? >? Then I sat down And wrote this pome I wrote an ode to New Joisey >When I die >Bury me deep >Where I can hear >The (?) creep >? >? >The rolling mills of New Jersey When I die Bury me low Where I can hear The petroleum flow A sweeter sound I never did know The rolling mills of New Joisey This song is funnier if you know "The Rolling Hills of the Border," of which it is a parody. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:54:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tull On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 Tim_Walters@digidesign.com wrote: [Stewart:] > >Not only that, but the first of those medieval albums, SONGS FROM THE WOOD, > >is pretty much the only really good thing they did. To some of us, anyway. > > Because Ian's whole style of playing the flute? See above, substituting > >"old '40s blues guys" with "Rahsaan Roland Kirk." He's nothing but a pale > >imitation, and I'm not just talking about his pasty skin. > > I'm not sure this is totally fair. There's no doubt he copped a lot of his > style, arguably most, from Kirk, but unlike Page he owned up to it (at least to > the extent of covering a Kirk tune, credited), and since he usually puts it in a > completely different musical context from Kirk's, I would argue that it's > "taking Kirk's innovations and running with them in a new direction" rather than > "ripoff." I'll have to agree w/Tim here - both on Anderson's acknowledging his debt and on setting that style in a new context. Besides which, for me at least, Tull's never been primarily about Anderson's flute. The first few albums were sort of way-finding, for me, and then the early '70s run whose peak is _Aqualung_ found them in a very classic-rock mode (i.e., they're one of the chief bands whose style then retroactively *defined* the style). At that point, I think Martin Barre's guitar-playing was more pertinent to their sound. I'm probably getting the chronology a little wrong, but then they moved closer to a prog thing w/the two album-length suites _Thick as a Brick_ and _Passion Play_ (and if you don't like album length suites, just pretend each is a Guided by Voices album with better production and thicker arrangements, and give each song-fragment a title using the GBV title generator). _War Child_ kind of splits the difference, taking Anderson's multi-instrumental experiments and proggy tendencies and putting them in more traditional song forms (I think he plays more sax on that album than flute - hell, he may even play more *violin* on that album that flute). The run from _Minstrel in the Gallery_ through, uh, _Heavy Horses_ is probably the most "medieval" of their career. I forget what came after HH - - I think it was _Too Old_ or whatever the long title was, and after that, their career seemed a steady downhill slide. I gave up after _The Boresword and the Beast_ or whatever it was called. What are my five favorite Jethro Tull albums? In no particular order, probably Minstrel, Brick, Songs, War Child, and Aqualung. > My problem with Tull is that almost every album has something on it that > bugs the crap out of me, yet since they're very good about making each > album its own little concept/sound world, the good songs are less > effective when removed from the context of the albums. So I end up > taking the rough with the smooth. This makes sense to me. Last time I listened to _Passion Play_, for example, I remember large portions of it just sort of bugging me for reasons I couldn't define...but other parts were tenaciously playing in my head for weeks afterwards. (Partly that's a hangover from the fact that in the '70s and '80s, I probably listened to any individual album I liked about a million times, memorizing every last little squeak and tick of the vinyl. So if I hear one of those again, the whole thing tends to rush back into my head entire.) Okay, before I become a completely dodgy old fart who likes everything he liked twenty-five years ago (note: a year ago, as part of a project I listened to ELP. Much of it still sucked hugely), I'll end this post...before I launch into a Genesis career retrospective. Maybe Joe'll relieve me on that front. - --Jeff, off to watch _Firefly_, with a guest appearance this week by Gentle Giant! not J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach":: __William Gass__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 21:36:21 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] joisey In a message dated 10/4/02 7:39:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sleeveless@citynet.net writes: > Okay, there's a song I heard once on a radio show when we lived in our > second apartment in Princeton, so that would have been '83-'85 era. I > believe the title was "The Rolling Mills of New Jersey." I don't know > who the guys were who sung it, but it was both catchy and hilarious. I > think it was done a capella. Does anyone know anything about this song > or who did it? Here is what I can remember of the lyrics, and I'm not > sure those verses are in order: > > Down in Trenton > There's a bar > Where the bums come > From near and far > They come by bus > And they come by car > The lousy bums of New Jersey > > In Hoboken > There will be > Trash as far > As the eye can see > Enough for you > And enough for me > The garbage cans of New Jersey > > When I was young > I did roam > I wandered far > Away from Bayonne > ? > ? > ? > > > > My mom and I had a good laugh about this song. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 22:07:02 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tull At 06:54 PM 10/4/2002 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >> I'm not sure this is totally fair. There's no doubt he copped a lot of his >> style, arguably most, from Kirk, but unlike Page he owned up to it (at least to >> the extent of covering a Kirk tune, credited), and since he usually puts it in a >> completely different musical context from Kirk's, I would argue that it's >> "taking Kirk's innovations and running with them in a new direction" rather than >> "ripoff." > >I'll have to agree w/Tim here - both on Anderson's acknowledging his debt >and on setting that style in a new context. Besides which, for me at >least, Tull's never been primarily about Anderson's flute. I think I'm coming at this backwards is part of it for me. To me as a kid, the entirety of Tull to me was "Aqualung" (song, not album), "Bungle in the Jungle" and SONGS FROM THE WOOD, which my sister Rozann played *every single day* the entire summer that I was eight years old. Then my college girlfriend hooked me on Kirk, and ever since then, when I hear Tull, Kirk is all I hear. I think part of the problem is that Kirk is just so much better a soloist (it's not enough to play three saxophones with a flute up your nose, you have to play them *well*), that I expect that level of virtuoso playing from his disciples, and Anderson is no virtuoso on the flute. S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:08:04 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The funniest joke in the world On Friday, October 4, 2002, at 03:35 PM, glenn mcdonald wrote: > Cripes, make them both blondes and have her call her hairdresser > instead of > 911 and it's already even funnier. For that matter, make the dead one a > red-head and give the hairdresser a lisp. Honestly, it's like they > didn't even > try. The reason this is the "funniest joke in the world" is that it is generic enough to be considered funny across a broad range of cultures. So it might only be 60% funny, but it's 60% funny everywhere. - - Steve __________ If the president fell flat on his face in the middle of the Rose Garden some of these characters would applaud his uncanny foresight in having arranged for the ground to be in just the right place to break his descent. Shades of the personality cult. - Josh Marshall, on the right wing echo chamber ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:00:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tull On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Okay, before I become a completely dodgy old fart who likes everything he > liked twenty-five years ago (note: a year ago, as part of a project I > listened to ELP. Much of it still sucked hugely), I'll end this > post...before I launch into a Genesis career retrospective. Maybe Joe'll > relieve me on that front. Will do. ;) But first...I've been getting into Tull a little of late, and I'd say TAAB is pretty ponderous, but heavy-rockin', w/ much Hammond organ. I think they lost the thread ca. 78. Genesis, a primer: ?-1969: Twee pop w/ strings 1970-1974: Sometimes ponderous, sometimes whimsical, almost always obscure 1976-1977: Gossamer w/ distortion, usually in 7/8 time 1978-1981: Still adventurous, shorter but more 1983-1992: Many sales, not much music > --Jeff, off to watch _Firefly_, with a guest appearance this week by > Gentle Giant! not There's a band I can't seem to like. Why the odd time signatures & endlessly repeated phrases in 16th notes? ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #348 *******************************