From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #347 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, October 4 2002 Volume 02 : Number 347 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Now here's the kind of political story I want to see more often!! ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] reissue mania [Boyof100lists@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] reissue mania ["Pete O." ] Re: [loud-fans] reissue mania [jsharple@brooklaw.edu] RE: [loud-fans] Aimee Mann, underdog (part 534) [Aaron Mandel Subject: [loud-fans] Now here's the kind of political story I want to see more often!! http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/02/offbeat.blue.candidate/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 10:57:55 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Now here's the kind of political story I want to see more often!! On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 10:50:32 -0400, Aaron Milenski wrote: >http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/02/offbeat.blue.candidate/index.html I wonder why they didn't show a picture of the Green candidate. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:34:30 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] reissue mania any of youse got opinions on the new rolling stones catalog re-masters? i dove in with an album i'd never bothered with (_metamorphosis_) and i ain't even listening to the sacd layer (i don't know if i have a compatible device or not -- but Rog does, do i Rog?) but the regular CD version sounds fairly kicking to me. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:31:08 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] reissue mania In a message dated 10/3/02 12:33:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dmw@radix.net writes: > any of youse got opinions on the new rolling stones catalog re-masters? I haven't heard them (not really a Stones fan) but they are going for about 19 bucks a pop. I read about them in a newspaper article, and the sound quality is supposed to be quite impressive (it is rumored you can actually hear Satan saying "aw, thanks guys" at the end of "Sympathy for the Devil" if you're wearing good headphones). Seriously, the quality of the sound on these reissues is supposed to be the most impressive of any reissues ever (at least it is hyped as such). Now if they would do this with the Beatles. I'd love to hear _The White Album_ and _Abbey Road_ with that layer of analog hiss removed. Oh btw, the Stones charge 5 million for a date, so I suppose Morrissey is a better value, at 1/100th the cost. The former rock idol would voluntarily take his shirt off, whereas the latter would wait for his to be torn off, so it's all about personal choice. Just don't visually assault me at the beach, where I didn't pay for it. lol - -Mark S. np: The Chills _Brave Words_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:40:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Pete O." Subject: Re: [loud-fans] reissue mania - --- Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > Oh btw, the Stones charge 5 million for a date, so I suppose Morrissey is a > better value, at 1/100th the cost. The former rock idol would voluntarily > take his shirt off, whereas the latter would wait for his to be torn off, so > it's all about personal choice. > And speaking of the Rolling Stones going shirtless... http://www.rollingstone.com/features/featuregen.asp?pid=1111 Yikes! New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:31:10 -0400 From: jsharple@brooklaw.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] reissue mania Quoting Boyof100lists@aol.com: > Now if they would do this with the Beatles. I'd love to hear _The White > Album_ and _Abbey Road_ with that layer of analog hiss removed. They've already started, with YELLOW SUBMARINE SONGTRACK. They still have the original, unmixed tracks that were later collapsed into "reduction" submixes to free up tracks (since they only had 4- and 8-track recorders), so on YELLOW SUB and ANTHOLOGY they "un-bounced" everything and remixed the songs from scratch. Purists have no use for these but I think they sound amazing. Really improved stuff like "Sgt. Pepper" and "Eleanor Rigby." The first one they did this to, "Penny Lane" on ANTHOLOGY, is pretty stunning. I hate to say it, but now that George (who seemed to be against any form of rerelease, even CDs) is out of the way, maybe they'll redo the whole catalog this way. I really don't understand the argument against: the purists don't have to listen, if they don't want. Let the rest of us geeks be happy. JS JS - ------------------------------- This mail sent through Brooklyn Law School WebMail http://www.brooklaw.edu/webmail - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:21:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Aimee Mann, underdog (part 534) On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, glenn mcdonald wrote: > IUniverse, as a weird sort of middleman service for cheap printing and > binding, seems more like a specialized Kinko's than a publisher of > either sort, to me, like the book equivalent of somebody who'll take > your music and make labeled CDRs of it. Hard to say. They charge more for slates of services that seem to offer the same nebulous benefits as traditional vanity presses -- "editorial review", for example, which I'd be really curious to know if anyone ever fails. Maybe the economics of the situation prevent them from getting rid of the big up-front fee, without which IUniverse would just be a cafepress.com for books and thus seemingly beyond reproach. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:24:55 -0700 From: rlewis@nethere.com (Russ Lewis) Subject: [loud-fans] toons needed A friend of mine is doing a series of mix tapes (OK, CDRs) based on various themes, and I thought I'd tap the Loud List brain trust for some ideas. Here's the deal. He's looking for songs in that somewhat neo-'60s, somewhat softer, maybe fuzzier, kind of "edgy," not-too-harsh Apples in Stereo/Elephant Six kind of sound (but not the new Apples album) -- not necessarily psychedelic, though that doesn't hurt. I'm not talking about new-age mush, but not Mudhoney either. Think maybe paisley underground or Highs in the Mid-Sixties or, who knows, maybe the Loud Family. It doesn't have to be exactly in this style; let your brain run wyld. Here are the themes he's building this around: - -- Guys/boys - -- Girls/women - -- Kids - -- Shopping/spending money - -- Home/the crib/the domicile/domestic stuff (e.g., food, kitchens, cooking) - -- General sunbaked Southern California lotus-eating hedonistic surf and sun Any ideas? Contributors receive a special Loudfan "attaboy." Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 18:31:27 -0400 From: jsharple@brooklaw.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] toons needed Quoting Russ Lewis : > Here are the themes he's building this around: > > -- Guys/boys > -- Girls/women > -- Kids > -- Shopping/spending money > -- Home/the crib/the domicile/domestic stuff (e.g., food, kitchens, > cooking) > -- General sunbaked Southern California lotus-eating hedonistic surf and > sun The first thing that came to mind was Rufus Wainwright's POSES (esp. that song "California"), which has that sound and most of those themes. Well, not too much "Girls/women" or "kids", but there you go. JS - ------------------------------- This mail sent through Brooklyn Law School WebMail http://www.brooklaw.edu/webmail - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 20:26:17 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Aimee Mann, underdog (part 534) In a message dated 10/3/02 3:22:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, aaron@eecs.harvard.edu writes: > On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, glenn mcdonald wrote: > > > IUniverse, as a weird sort of middleman service for cheap printing and > > binding, seems more like a specialized Kinko's than a publisher of > > either sort, to me, like the book equivalent of somebody who'll take > > your music and make labeled CDRs of it. > > Hard to say. They charge more for slates of services that seem to offer > the same nebulous benefits as traditional vanity presses -- "editorial > review", for example, which I'd be really curious to know if anyone ever > fails. > The one I used for my book was Writers Club, no editoral review for them, I wouldn't recomend the ones that do, more expensive and they offer very little of use beyond the basic services. > Maybe the economics of the situation prevent them from getting rid of the > big up-front fee, without which IUniverse would just be a cafepress.com > for books and thus seemingly beyond reproach. > > Maybe. IU is partly owned by Barnes&Nobel, so that may be another reason. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:26:32 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] reissue mania In a message dated 10/3/02 2:34:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jsharple@brooklaw.edu writes: > They've already started, with YELLOW SUBMARINE SONGTRACK. I know. I bought that CD just so I could hear what these songs would sound like with current technology. It IS quite amazing. Imagine _The Beatles_ done with this technology. I said in my last post I wasn't a fan of the Stones. That's not completely true. I bought "She's So Cold" (was that the name of the song?) and "Emotional Rescue" on 45 as a kid, and my older bro and I went in half-and-half when "Hot Rocks" came out on CD in '86 (he had the CD player, not me as of yet). I used to listen to a chrome tape (but he kept the discs, so who got screwed?) of that release in my car about 15, 16 years ago, but haven't listened to the Stones since. I always liked the really early songs...the songs with Brian Jones on them, (now I'm thinking of Psychic TV's song "Godstar") so I got the reissue of _Big Hits (High Tide and Green Grass)_ tonight. I put it in the little CD player hooked up to my car's tape adapter and it is amazing, even on my low-grade setup to my car's factory stereo. I think the comparison between my tape from 15 years ago in my Rabbit's factory stereo and the CD player setup in the car I have now would be about equal in quality. This CD is stunning. The early stuff, like "As Tears Go By," and of course "Satisfaction" sound like someone opened the basement door and let the boys come upstairs and play in the living room. The quality of this blows that _Hot Rocks_ tape from the '86 CDs out of the water. If you like the Stones, you won't be disappointed. If the early stuff sounds this good, the later stuff recorded on 8-track must sound like modern recordings. - -Mark S., wanting the latest T. Rex compilation np: Gerty _Sweets from the Minibar_ (thanks Larry!) btw, there's a new Costello release out (live and remix) and a new Elf Power release as well. Gee, didn't I just buy an Elf Power CD and Elvis CD not that long ago?? What, is this 1965, where you can release more than one lp in a year without people flinching? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 22:43:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] reissue mania On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 jsharple@brooklaw.edu wrote: > I hate to say it, but now that George (who seemed to be against any form of > rerelease, even CDs) is out of the way, maybe they'll redo the whole catalog > this way. I really don't understand the argument against: the purists don't > have to listen, if they don't want. Let the rest of us geeks be happy. Right: release the original mono mixes, original stereo mixes where they exist, *and* new, remastered versions. What, EMI thinks there aren't enough Beatles geeks in the world to support all three? Tell ya what: I know if someone said, "Hey, here's a new deluxe 2-CD edition of _With the Beatles_, with the original mono mixes and American stereo mixes* on one CD, and remixed versions and a few contemporary tracks that didn't make the _Anthology_ cut"...well, I'd be all over it like Alex on Sherbet. And given the sales of _1_, I doubt I'd be alone. * am I right that on the early stuff, stereo mixes were only done on the American versions of the albums? Or am I misremembering? I'm too lazy to go down to my bookshelves and dig out The Bible (a/k/a Lewisohn's Abbey Road Sessions book). ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #347 *******************************