From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #340 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, September 27 2002 Volume 02 : Number 340 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Beyond The Pale [Dave Walker ] [loud-fans] Frank Black on tv (ns) [dana-boy@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Emmy/Powerpuff Sopranos [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] chanteuse clues [JRT456@aol.com] [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks [Boyof100lists@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks [Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com] Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks [Matthew Weber ] Re: [loud-fans] GBV ["jer fairall" ] Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks [Michael Mitton ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Peter Gabriel [Dave Walker ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Peter Gabriel [JRT456@aol.com] [loud-fans] Breeding Buffy [Michael Mitton ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Peter Gabriel [Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Peter Gabriel [Miles Goosens ] [loud-fans] assistance for Mr. Stupid [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks [jsharple@brooklaw.edu] Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks [jenny grover ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:05:29 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: [loud-fans] Beyond The Pale Does http://www.loudfamily.com still participate in affiliate linking with Amazon to help defray hosting costs? I saw a link to this story at Slashdot, and I have to believe there is going to be some legal action connected to it. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/27/technology/27FREE.html Briefly, the latest spyware wrinkle (dubbed stealware, and I think that's an appropriate term) redirects affiliate links from websites so that the commissions go to someone other than the linking site. This goes beyond sleazy and on into fraud. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:14:12 GMT From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] Frank Black on tv (ns) He's on Craig Kilborn tonight. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:47:19 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Emmy/Powerpuff Sopranos At 03:57 PM 9/26/2002 -0500, Bill Silvers wrote: >is annoyed that he missed the premiere >of Firefly (so, how was it?), I know at least one other Loud-Lister who thought, like Melissa and I did, that it was a promising debut. Lots of getting to know the characters and such, so it wasn't a huge grabber the way that, say, the first TWIN PEAKS episode was, but I'm looking forward to seeing how it all develops. Kudos to Joss Whedon for giving the perpetually underrated Ron Glass a new series gig. What I've ready on the Internet seems less positive and more snarky, but that should come as no surprise. >and who thinks Rob Lowe has a smart agent, >getting him off of The West Wing in the nick of time I've said it before, but there's more and more evidence that a third season of SPORTS NIGHT wouldn't have been a good idea, even if hadn't gotten axed. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:51:28 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] chanteuse clues At 07:55 AM 9/20/2002 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >But Mark, you're asking about general opinion, not about what we on the >list think, I gather: and I agree with Matt there. But for me, most >Satanist shtick is just plain stoopid - not scary, not threatening, just >dumb. Reminds me of the guy I knew in high school who graffiti'd the men's >room with large letters PRAISE STAN! Or a leather jacket I once saw, which >misidentified its material, since it noted that SATIN RULES! One night in the mid-'80s, a few wannabe thugs decided to spraypaint the homes and businesses of Maybeury, WV, with rock lyrics and titles. For example, they'd write "RUNNIN WITH THE DEVIL" on one house, "BORN TO BE WILD" on another, and "HIGHWAY TO HELL" on a third. But on one house, they found themselves a tad challenged. Simply picture the words enclosed in the hyphens to be struck through/crossed out: TAKIN CARE OF -BUSSINES- -BIZNES- -BUSNESS- THINGS re: Christian rock -- the thing that offends me the most about the bulk of acts I've heard isn't even the message or the preachiness. It's that most of the acts are simply stealing wholesale from mainstream rock and hip-hop artists, taking advantage of the fact that their core audience is prohibited by their parents from actually hearing those same mainstream artists and thus have no way to perceive the ripoff. Money for nothing and your revved-up, sexually repressed teenage chicks for free. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:09:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] chanteuse clues On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > It's that most of the acts are simply stealing wholesale from mainstream > rock and hip-hop artists, taking advantage of the fact that their core > audience is prohibited by their parents from actually hearing those same > mainstream artists and thus have no way to perceive the ripoff. Money > for nothing and your revved-up, sexually repressed teenage chicks for > free. Yeah. In radio we used to get piles of CDs from 'Fraternity', with no apparent rhyme or reason to the genres involved... then we finally read some of the promo materials that came in the packages and realized it was all 'Christian music' in perfect synchrony with the latest top 40 hits. Then it became kind of entertaining, like trying to figure out which old characters Alan Moore's pastiching in his comics. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:17:38 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] chanteuse clues In a message dated 9/27/02 9:10:04 AM, outdoorminer@mindspring.com writes: << > It's that most of the acts are simply stealing wholesale from mainstream rock and hip-hop artists, taking advantage of the fact that their core audience is prohibited by their parents from actually hearing those same mainstream artists and thus have no way to perceive the ripoff. Money for nothing and your revved-up, sexually repressed teenage chicks for free. >> I can't disagree with the above statement, but I'd certainly like to know which mainstream rock and hip-hop artists from the past ten years are in the position of complaining about being ripped-off by anybody. Your average Christian music consumer is probably perfectly aware of cutting-edge acts like Disturbed and Sum 41. It seems reasonable for them to prefer similarly derivative acts that at least speak to their personal beliefs. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:53:27 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks What is the list opinion on this situation with Bush and Iraq? I'm all for a war if it is absolutely necessary, but personally, I don't think one is necessary (and many much more politically aware people than I agree). Is George W. trying to impress his pappy or what? W.'s issues are going to cause a lot of heartache. I'm thinking of Scott's line, how does it go? "He didn't have a good outlet for his anger so he took over the world." Daddy wasn't there. - -Mark S. ****Hey Gil! Post something! We miss you.**** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:59:15 -0500 From: Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks Ooooh boy, here we go...... Maybe a better question would be: "What is the list opinion of the new Soft Boys album?" I haven't found it yet, but I am interested to know what y'all think.... Two artists who have that "every song on CD is slow" disease: Beck and Peter Gabriel. Plus Peter Gabriel has an extra case of "nearly every song must be extended to over seven minutes" It may be terminal... Boyof100lists@aol .com To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sent by: cc: owner-loud-fans@s Subject: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks moe.org 09/27/02 11:53 AM What is the list opinion on this situation with Bush and Iraq? I'm all for a war if it is absolutely necessary, but personally, I don't think one is necessary (and many much more politically aware people than I agree). Is George W. trying to impress his pappy or what? W.'s issues are going to cause a lot of heartache. I'm thinking of Scott's line, how does it go? "He didn't have a good outlet for his anger so he took over the world." Daddy wasn't there. - -Mark S. ****Hey Gil! Post something! We miss you.**** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:05:34 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks At 12:53 PM 9/27/02 -0400, Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: >What is the list opinion on this situation with Bush and Iraq? I'm all for a >war if it is absolutely necessary, but personally, I don't think one is >necessary (and many much more politically aware people than I agree). Is >George W. trying to impress his pappy or what? W.'s issues are going to >cause a lot of heartache. I'm thinking of Scott's line, how does it go? "He >didn't have a good outlet for his anger so he took over the world." In no particular order, some points that have occurred to me: 1) Looks like we're set to transfer our righteous anger at Al Qaeda to an old enemy. Iraq seems to me the Arab state least likely to have sheltered or otherwise aided the terrorists; it's a staunchly secular state, and Saddam has no interest in an Islamic theocracy. It just doesn't make sense that he'd deal with fundamentalist radicals whose next step (after obliterating the Great Satan in the West) would be to oust him from his seat and install another Taliban in Iraq. On the other hand, Saddam and Al Qaeda share a powerful hatred of the US, so maybe there is something to it. 2) GWB inherited a sizable budget surplus from the Clinton administration, which he then proceeded to squander on a tax cut (of course, without corresponding cuts in federal spending--and they call Democrats spendthrifts!). As a result, we are deficit spending again, and the economy has become shaky. God forbid that the American public be allowed to come to the conclusion that Bush is to blame, so let's engage in a little sleight-of-hand to distract their attention: as Fear so eloquently put it, "let's have a war!" 3) We can probably take Iraq in a war, but it won't be as easy as rolling over Afghanistan, or even liberating Kuwait. Iraq has a sizeable, well-equipped army, and a good deal of the fighting will be urban--something the US Army isn't so good at, especially in enemy territory. Of course, when Saddam's back is pushed to the wall, he will probably use his NBC arsenal, making things much hairier. 4) It's true that Iraq may have nuclear weapons. Pakistan has them too, but we're not making too much noise about that (not to mention that they *have* sheltered anti-US terrorists). Why is that? Again, I can't help but feel that our attention is being purposely misdirected to distract us from a growing economic problem at home. Anyone with more expertise or knowledge in the above areas should feel free to correct me, but it seems to me this whole war-on-Iraq business is stupid and doesn't seem calculated to bring us any benefit. Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley There ariseth a little cloud out of the sea, like a man's hand. The Holy Bible (The Old Testament): _The First Book of the Kings_, chapter 18, verse 44 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:15:21 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks In a message dated 9/27/02 10:06:25 AM, mweber@library.berkeley.edu writes: << Anyone with more expertise or knowledge in the above areas should feel free to correct me, but it seems to me this whole war-on-Iraq business is stupid and doesn't seem calculated to bring us any benefit. >> Far be it from me to jump in with a right-wing opinion, so let me quote Al Gore saying that it's time for a "final reckoning" with Iraq. In fact, he's called on the U.S. government to overthrow the "virulent threat" of Saddam Hussein. Of course, that was way back in February of this year, and Gore's certainly been known to drastically change his beliefs as Election Days approach. Has anyone heard from him lately? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:18:30 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks At 01:15 PM 9/27/02 -0400, JRT456@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 9/27/02 10:06:25 AM, mweber@library.berkeley.edu writes: > ><< Anyone with more expertise or knowledge in the above areas should feel >free >to correct me, but it seems to me this whole war-on-Iraq business is stupid >and doesn't seem calculated to bring us any benefit. >> > >Far be it from me to jump in with a right-wing opinion, so let me quote Al >Gore saying that it's time for a "final reckoning" with Iraq. In fact, he's >called on the U.S. government to overthrow the "virulent threat" of Saddam >Hussein. Of course, that was way back in February of this year, and Gore's >certainly been known to drastically change his beliefs as Election Days >approach. Has anyone heard from him lately? Gore's a leftie? Haven't heard from him, and his goddam secretary stopped taking my messages earlier this month. Hmph. Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley There ariseth a little cloud out of the sea, like a man's hand. The Holy Bible (The Old Testament): _The First Book of the Kings_, chapter 18, verse 44 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:15:46 -0400 From: jsharple@brooklaw.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks Quoting Boyof100lists@aol.com: > What is the list opinion on this situation with Bush and Iraq? I don't think we've released one yet, unless I'm not getting the damn memos again. - ------------------------------- This mail sent through Brooklyn Law School WebMail http://www.brooklaw.edu/webmail - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:18:29 -0700 From: "Micah Bedwell" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks He was in San Francisco this week. He wasn't talking any of that crap of Final Reckoning. He talked about how the current administration has alienated whatever allies (outside England and Israel) we may have had post-9/11. The whole "You're either with us or against us" mentality is dumbfounding. Regards, Micah Bedwell - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks > In a message dated 9/27/02 10:06:25 AM, mweber@library.berkeley.edu writes: > > << Anyone with more expertise or knowledge in the above areas should feel > free > to correct me, but it seems to me this whole war-on-Iraq business is stupid > and doesn't seem calculated to bring us any benefit. >> > > Far be it from me to jump in with a right-wing opinion, so let me quote Al > Gore saying that it's time for a "final reckoning" with Iraq. In fact, he's > called on the U.S. government to overthrow the "virulent threat" of Saddam > Hussein. Of course, that was way back in February of this year, and Gore's > certainly been known to drastically change his beliefs as Election Days > approach. Has anyone heard from him lately? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:30:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Jon Tveite Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > What is the list opinion on this situation with Bush and Iraq? I've pretty much given up on stopping the war against Iraq, though I don't think it makes a lot of sense. I agree that it is probably more about oil and keeping the War on Terrorism rolling than any sort of legitimate security concern. I think we at least have a right to demand a few things, however: 1. We shouldn't do it without going through proper channels, i.e. the UN, another round of weapons inspections, etc. 2. We should have a full and free debate about the issue in the Congress, without a bunch of assholes questioning everybody's patriotism all the time. Patriotism does NOT mean abdicating one's right to ask questions and expect intelligent answers. 3. The Bush administration should have to give SOME indication of what their plans for after the war might be. All they have said in public is "regime change". Jon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:29:41 -0400 From: "jer fairall" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] GBV I had some fun with this: http://www.artofthemix.org/FindAMix/getcontents.asp?strMixID=33961 Jer np: Missy Roback, JUST LIKE BREATHING Your Actions Can Help! Support Strong Environmental Protections http://www.care2.com/go/z/2532 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:34:16 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks In a message dated 9/27/02 10:26:50 AM, noahbrtn@earthlink.net writes: << He was in San Francisco this week. He wasn't talking any of that crap of Final Reckoning. He talked about how the current administration has alienated whatever allies (outside England and Israel) we may have had post-9/11. >> So he's a lefty this week? There's your answer, Mr. Weber. By the way, did anybody in San Francisco tell Gore about how the past few weeks have seen a dramatic increase in our declared allies? Even the French and the Canadians have come aboard. French-Canadians, however, may still be a problem. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:30:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, Matthew Weber wrote: > 2) GWB inherited a sizable budget surplus from the Clinton administration, > which he then proceeded to squander on a tax cut (of course, without > corresponding cuts in federal spending--and they call Democrats > spendthrifts!). As a result, we are deficit spending again, and the > economy has become shaky. God forbid that the American public be allowed This has been / is the dot-com recession, and would have happened regardless of anything Bush may have done with taxes or spending. Though this wasn't Bush's intent at the time he pushed the tax cut, standard Keynesian theory would say that the tax cut alleviated the severity of the recession. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:31:36 -0700 From: "Micah Bedwell" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks God forbid that they have an election promoting a stance not aligned with Dubya. They might not get their congratulatory phone call.. What a bunch of babies. Regards, Micah Bedwell - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks > In a message dated 9/27/02 10:26:50 AM, noahbrtn@earthlink.net writes: > > << He was in San Francisco this week. He wasn't talking any of that crap of > > Final Reckoning. He talked about how the current administration has > > alienated whatever allies (outside England and Israel) we may have had > > post-9/11. >> > > So he's a lefty this week? There's your answer, Mr. Weber. By the way, did > anybody in San Francisco tell Gore about how the past few weeks have seen a > dramatic increase in our declared allies? Even the French and the Canadians > have come aboard. French-Canadians, however, may still be a problem. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:43:08 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks > > What is the list opinion on this situation with Bush and Iraq? I don't speak for the list, but aside from everything else I find it more than a little absurd that a president can decide to completely change the entire US policy from defense to offense just so he can wage war against a puny country because his dad "hates" that country's leader. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:58:57 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in Groucho masks On Friday, September 27, 2002, at 12:59 PM, Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com wrote: > Ooooh boy, here we go...... > Maybe a better question would be: "What is the list opinion of the new > Soft > Boys album?" > I haven't found it yet, but I am interested to know what y'all > think.... I like it. It's not at all unhinged like the older Soft Boys stuff, but it _is_ Robyn Hitchcock fronting a dynamic, electric band and sounding like he's having a lot of fun doing it, which is good enough for me. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:00:08 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Peter Gabriel At 11:59 AM 9/27/2002 -0500, Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com wrote: >Two artists who have that "every song on CD is slow" disease: Beck and >Peter Gabriel. Plus Peter Gabriel has an extra case of "nearly every song >must be extended to over seven minutes" It may be terminal... I've been hearing this a lot, but my favorite songs on Peter Gabriel's solo albums have tended to be the ones that just sort of start, meander for a while and then fade out. I'll take "Lead A Normal Life" or "We Do What We're Told" over "Shock the Monkey" or "Big Time" any day. So are any of the songs on the new album along those lines? I'm also looking forward to the new Sigur Ros the more I hear about it. S NP: PUT A FLAVOR TO LOVE -- Janet Klein ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:17:07 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Peter Gabriel On Friday, September 27, 2002, at 02:00 PM, Stewart Mason wrote: > 'll take "Lead A Normal Life" or "We Do What > We're Told" over "Shock the Monkey" or "Big Time" any day. So are any > of > the songs on the new album along those lines? Mmm, well I'd take "The Rhythm of the Heat" over all 4, mostly because of the wild dynamic shifts, so is there anything that amazing on the new record? -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:31:10 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Peter Gabriel In a message dated 9/27/02 11:17:38 AM, dwalker@freeke.org writes: << Mmm, well I'd take "The Rhythm of the Heat" over all 4, mostly because of the wild dynamic shifts, so is there anything that amazing on the new record? >> I think it's kind of cool that he's recorded a bunch of melodic artsy songs that are suddenly full of ludicrous prog moments. And he now looks exactly like Billy Joel. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:32:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: [loud-fans] Breeding Buffy From the 4AD info email: Last week The Breeders filmed a performance of "Title TK" opener "Little Fury" for an episode of the new Buffy The Vampire Slayer series. The program makers are fans of the band and asked if Kim and co would play live in the Bronze Bar, the Buffy equivalent of the Rovers Return. This soon-to-be-legendary televisual nugget will be screened in the US in early November. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:35:55 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Peter Gabriel At 02:31 PM 9/27/2002 EDT, JRT456@aol.com wrote: >I think it's kind of cool that he's recorded a bunch of melodic artsy songs >that are suddenly full of ludicrous prog moments. And he now looks exactly >like Billy Joel. Given that at the Oscars a couple years ago he looked exactly like Alexei Sayle, Billy Joel may actually be an improvement. S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:39:41 -0500 From: Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Peter Gabriel Er, I'm not the expert after only one play and almost falling asleep during it, but.... yeah.. I would say much of _Up_ is along those lines, except the songs are so extended in length that instead of a nice mood piece like "We Do What We're Told", the songs feel, well, maybe too overlong for their substance. There are several real nice shifts in some of them, nice proggy bits like JR said, and some of the melodies may turn out to memorable... so, I have no verdict yet, but it may be a grower... Stewart Mason cc: Sent by: Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Peter Gabriel owner-loud-fans@s moe.org 09/27/02 01:00 PM At 11:59 AM 9/27/2002 -0500, Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com wrote: >Two artists who have that "every song on CD is slow" disease: Beck and >Peter Gabriel. Plus Peter Gabriel has an extra case of "nearly every song >must be extended to over seven minutes" It may be terminal... I've been hearing this a lot, but my favorite songs on Peter Gabriel's solo albums have tended to be the ones that just sort of start, meander for a while and then fade out. I'll take "Lead A Normal Life" or "We Do What We're Told" over "Shock the Monkey" or "Big Time" any day. So are any of the songs on the new album along those lines? I'm also looking forward to the new Sigur Ros the more I hear about it. S NP: PUT A FLAVOR TO LOVE -- Janet Klein ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:53:19 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Peter Gabriel At 02:31 PM 9/27/2002 -0400, JRT456@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 9/27/02 11:17:38 AM, dwalker@freeke.org writes: > ><< Mmm, well I'd take "The Rhythm of the Heat" over all 4, mostly >because of the wild dynamic shifts, so is there anything >that amazing on the new record? >> > >I think it's kind of cool that he's recorded a bunch of melodic artsy songs >that are suddenly full of ludicrous prog moments. My first listen corresponds with JRT's impression, except that description fills me with trepidation rather than glee. And of the lyrics I can remember, they seemed even more straight-outta-New-Age-therapy than some of the ones on US. I was wincing. A lot. It's only a first listen. But right now I'm not expecting to like it as well as US, much less I-III-SECURITY-SO. Sometime this weekend, I'll dig into SEA CHANGE, which hopefully will prove a MUTATIONS-like exception to the "all midtempo songs = snoozefest" rule. This probably will have to do more with the over/under 45 minutes factor than anything else. So what's it clocking (exclusive of obligatory leading silence/hidden bonus track factors)? later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:02:29 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks Matthew Weber on 9/27/2002 11:05:34 AM wrote: > Iraq has a sizeable, > well-equipped army, and a good deal of the fighting will be > urban--something the US Army isn't so good at, especially in enemy > territory. The solution, of course, is to borrow some giant robots from the Japanese and have teenage girls in high school uniforms pilot them. > Anyone with more expertise or knowledge in the above areas should feel free > to correct me, but it seems to me this whole war-on-Iraq business is stupid > and doesn't seem calculated to bring us any benefit. Au contraire. Iraq has much that would be of value to us (oil, food, genes, goats, rocks, etc.), as does the rest of the world. Eventually the whole planet is going to be part of the American Empire anyway. You know it's going to happen. One world, one language, one religion, one culture, one political/economic system. It's best to get started on the conquering now while most of the world is unprepared. Iraq would be a good test. Once the world is united, and we have access to everyone's resources, then we'll be ready for when those pesky invading aliens show up. Plus, I'm looking forward to having some juicy defense (offense?) contracts to work on. Okay Mark, we've covered religion, politics, talk show hosts and SUVs. What's next? Want to know our shoe sizes? 8 1/2. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:25:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] assistance for Mr. Stupid Okay, I got sub'd to a mailing list because I bought a CD for my little nephew, and despite four or five e-mails saying I wasn't interested in the list, I'm still getting them. So finally I sent the coordinator a message, saying get me the hell off already for the sixth time. He replied, claiming he "couldn't find my name." I outlined for him the arcane mysteries of a search function, but apparently that's beyond him, because this is the reply I received: - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- i wish that i knew as much about computers as you do! i'm spending a lot of time on this but am not getting anywhere. for some reason the search doesn't have an address book folder option. i'm in outlook express. any thoughts? - ----------------------------------------- Me, *I* don't know Outlook Express (when feasible I'll avoid Mr. Gates' products), but would anyone here who knows its ins and outs enlighten me as to how to find a particular name in a mailing list created therein? Please clutter not the list - and my apologies for so doing. - --Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:27:44 -0500 From: Chris Prew Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks On Friday, September 27, 2002, at 02:02 PM, Roger Winston wrote: > Eventually the whole planet is going to be part of the American > Empire anyway. You know it's going to happen. One world, one > language, one religion, one culture, one political/economic system. > It's best to get started on the conquering now while most of the world > is unprepared. Iraq would be a good test. > Hey, nice summary of the "National Security Strategy", as recently released by the White House. Appreciate that you took the time to read it and condense it for everyone. Chris Unfortunately not being facetious. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:55:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com wrote: > Maybe a better question would be: "What is the list opinion of the new > Soft Boys album?" I haven't found it yet, but I am interested to know > what y'all think.... After two listens, I think there's one good Soft Boys song, a few okay late-80s Egyptians songs, and a lot of tepid stuff that wouldn't have even made it onto the other three 'solo' albums from this phase of Robyn's career (Moss Elixir, Jewels For Sophia, A Star For Bram) with some soloing from Kimberley at the end. I am, however, shorting that disc on attention somewhat so I can repeatedly listen to the new Statuesque album and the Jenny Toomey/Franklin Bruno collaboration. Statuesque are the amazing bedroom Britpop band mentioned here a little while ago (mp3s at www.statuesque.org.uk) and the Toomey/Bruno album reveals her voice to be just what Bruno's current style of songwriting needs. (He has a new solo record out that's growing on me too, but not as fast.) a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:27:10 -0300 From: John F Butland Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks At 01:34 PM 02-09-27 EDT, JRT456@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 9/27/02 10:26:50 AM, noahbrtn@earthlink.net writes: > ><< He was in San Francisco this week. He wasn't talking any of that crap of > >Final Reckoning. He talked about how the current administration has > >alienated whatever allies (outside England and Israel) we may have had > >post-9/11. >> > >So he's a lefty this week? There's your answer, Mr. Weber. By the way, did >anybody in San Francisco tell Gore about how the past few weeks have seen a >dramatic increase in our declared allies? Even the French and the Canadians >have come aboard. Not all of us. Numb-nuts Chretien doesn't speak for Canadians anymore than Bushy speaks for Americans. To paraphrase Fred Eaglesmith - don't mistake the government for the people. best, jfb John F Butland O- butland@nbnet.nb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:33:01 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:27:10 -0300, John F Butland wrote: >Not all of us. Numb-nuts Chretien doesn't speak for Canadians anymore than >Bushy speaks for Americans. Please show some respect for our President and refer to him as "W" or "Monkeyboy". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:17:09 -0400 From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:02:29 -0600 "Roger Winston" writes: > Okay Mark, we've covered religion, politics, talk show hosts and > SUVs. What's next? Want to know our shoe sizes? 8 1/2. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, we could go back to talking about....Mark. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:30:00 -0400 From: jsharple@brooklaw.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks > At 01:34 PM 02-09-27 EDT, JRT456@aol.com wrote: >So he's a lefty this week? There's your answer, Mr. Weber. By the way, did >anybody in San Francisco tell Gore about how the past few weeks have seen a >dramatic increase in our declared allies? Even the French and the Canadians >have come aboard. Wait, why are we talking about Gore again? Didn't he lose the election? I mean, I know he got the most votes but I think there was a technicality or something and Bush was installed. I keep getting confused, so it's okay if you do, too. Anyway, I do believe it's the *Bush* administration that's currently bungling the Iraqi war situation, regardless of whether the war is a good idea. Which, incidentally, I think it might be, as long as we first wipe out Al Qaeda (and I'll pass on that War on Terrorism for the moment, thanks, could we first please get those guys that knocked down the towers next to my office building? thanks) and gather more convincing evidence of Saddam's NBC weapons stockpiles. And, find out who's going to take his place. And, whether his removal will further destablize the mideast. Oh, and how about going through the U.N. Security Council and building an international coalition? Jeez, even George H.W. thought to do that. I can't understand how the current administration could fumble matters so badly, when it came so highly touted as strong on foreign affairs, with Powell, Cheney, Rice, etc. on board. Or perhaps we're now seeing in action the problem with having a president who claimed he could overcome his callowness and relative lack of expertise because he would simply assemble the best cabinet and seek their advice: if the advisers disagree, the chief has to make the right call, and if he lacks authority and solid judgment, choas ensues. In this way, I'd say George W. has delivered to us the very type of adminstration he promised. JS - ------------------------------- This mail sent through Brooklyn Law School WebMail http://www.brooklaw.edu/webmail - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:47:48 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loudfans in gas masks What I really wanna know is if anyone here has read Saddam Hussein's romance novel. It's being made into a musical, you know. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:34:56 -0400 From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] Harvey Mandel? (ns) Just heard "Cristo Redentor" for the first time, and liked it a lot. I see that there's a CD comp of his first three albums, but it's out of print. Should I pay a high eBay/Half.com price for the comp or just stick with album #1 on vinyl? Allmusic likes Baby Batter, but I learned via Larry Coryell that my opinions diverge greatly from Allmusic's in this area. Nonetheless, I wonder if it's any good. New Soft Boys: it's ok. And hey, the Crystallized Movements are pretty good, but I think I prefer Vermonster. "The Holy Sound of American Pipe" is just a motherfucker (pardon) of a guitar squall. I bow down before them. - --dana ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #340 *******************************