From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #332 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, September 20 2002 Volume 02 : Number 332 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] chanteuse clues [Boyof100lists@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][RC] [Dave ] Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][RC] [Aaro] Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][RC [dana-b] Re: [loud-fans] chanteuse clues [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][RC] [Tim_W] [loud-fans] the plot thickens [dana-boy@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] chanteuse clues [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] chanteuse clues (fwd) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] the plot thickens [jenny grover ] RE: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][R C] [Ove] Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][R C] [jenn] RE: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][R C] [Je] Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][R C] ["m] Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][R C] ["Ro] Re: [loud-fans] the plot thickens [Bill Silvers ] [loud-fans] need info [Carolyn Dorsey ] [loud-fans] list crossover (sort of like Kenny Rogers) [Boyof100lists@aol] Re: [loud-fans] chanteuse clues [Boyof100lists@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] chanteuse clues [Roger Winston ] [loud-fans] the things they do in colorado [me@justanotherfuckin.com] Re: [loud-fans] the things they do in colorado [me@justanotherfuckin.com] Re: [loud-fans] the things they do in colorado [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] chanteuse clues [Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][RC] Would that little sub-sub-genre of super-dry, skeletal early 80's NYC dub/funk (I'm thinking of Liquid Liquid and ESG, specifically) be considered to be No Wave or was that a different scene entirely? - -- Dave Walker freeform radio and live, nude fish at: http://www.freeke.org/ffg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:30:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][RC] On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Dana Paoli wrote: > It's available as a Japanese import on CD for thirty something dollars, > and you might be able to find it cheaper used or on vinyl. !! I recall the vinyl going for $75, unless it's been reprinted or something. Chris, you should without hesitation get the Stick Men compilation Insatiable. I personally am not that into No New York... I don't know, is it because it's got "No" in the name, so twenty years on everyone's conception of the genre still has it as the center? PiL's Metal Box (now in print as Second Edition) still gets high marks -- sort of the opposite side of the world from Stick Men, though. The Stick Men are funky and spastic and a personal favorite; PiL were strained, creepy and abrasive. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:11:24 GMT From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][RC Would that little sub-sub-genre of super-dry, skeletal early 80's NYC dub/funk (I'm thinking of Liquid Liquid and ESG, specifically) be considered to be No Wave or was that a different scene entirely? >>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, just in case anyone's interested, ESG are still playing. They have an upcoming show in Brooklyn at a WFMU benefit, though I think that it's sold out. I'm kind of indifferent to them, but I think that I read that they have a new album out as well. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:04:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] chanteuse clues On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > My rekindled interest in the Warholian and/or my weakness for German women > has me wanting to buy a Nico album. I heard a small bit of her music in "The > Royal Tannenbaums," and it was just so beautiful...what a rainy autumn day in > Soho in 1967 sounds like in my mind. I don't really consider her a great > singer, she's a vocalist, but her limitations are where her beauty lies > (physical aside). Depends on your interests. I'm always recommending _The Marble Index_, which remains a very strange record: full of zithers, electric viola, fuzz bass, and at the center, Nico's harmonium. John Cale's most eccentric arrangements ever make this a creepy, haunting, powerful album. But it sure ain't no rock'n'roll. (_The Desert Shore_ is more of the same only, IMO, not as good.) I've never really warmed to _Chelsea Girls_: kind of a mixed bag, Elektra-midsixties-style female pop sits uncomfortably against one or two virtual VU feedback drones (the rest of the band, I believe, appears on those tracks), but if you're mainly interested in Nico's voice, and you want a more song-oriented release, that's probably the one to go with. She has a bunch more albums I haven't heard - I have this idea Aaron Milenski's a fan, but that could be way wrong. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::"am I being self-referential?":: np: The Rock*a*Teens _Noon Under the Trees_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:35:19 EDT From: DOUDIE@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] negativeland Has anyone heard this? http://www.splendidezine.com/review.html?reviewid=3240234170608283 steve matrick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:32:29 GMT From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] be nice or she'll turn you into a toad Don't ask why I came across this link, but I thought it was kind of cute: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/cm/member-reviews/-/A1JIGNHTPQEXBU/1/ref=cm_cr_auth/002-0610093-8798418 (Apparently it's Zach Smith's daughter's page at Amazon, where she gives a thumbs up to the loud family, and disses an evil wiccan and her book of irresponsible magick) I've always said that one of my favorite things about the Loud Family is that they promote only the responsible use of magick. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:53:44 -0700 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] negativeland On 9/19/02, DOUDIE@aol.com wrote: >Has anyone heard this? > >http://www.splendidezine.com/review.html?reviewid=3240234170608283 > >steve matrick No, but it seems that the book's more the point. Fascinating. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:09:08 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][RC] >that little sub-sub-genre of super-dry, >skeletal early 80's NYC dub/funk Would Medium Medium fall into this category? And did they ever play a gig with Liquid Liquid? THE GLITTERHOUSE was an early Eighties fave for me. When I saw them live, though, they'd lost the sax player and gone all disco, and they were clearly going through the motions on "Hungry So Angry." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:14:23 GMT From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] the plot thickens I think that Mark may have been right after all about the Satanic connection. Just what exactly is the Loud Family's "Tape of Only Linda" doing (at #168) on this page of links to Satan?? Hmmm?? http://www.sci.fi/~pob41/es0ter1c.htm - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:47:44 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] chanteuse clues On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > > > My rekindled interest in the Warholian and/or my weakness for German women > > has me wanting to buy a Nico album. I heard a small bit of her music in "The > > Royal Tannenbaums," and it was just so beautiful...what a rainy autumn day in > > Soho in 1967 sounds like in my mind. I don't really consider her a great > > singer, she's a vocalist, but her limitations are where her beauty lies > > (physical aside). i've only heard _the end_, which is alleged to be dense and terrifying. maybe, but if you look at it wrong it's very silly, too. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:25:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] chanteuse clues (fwd) Aaron asked me to fwd this... - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:12:30 -0400 From: Aaron Milenski To: jenor@csd.uwm.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] chanteuse clues > > My rekindled interest in the Warholian and/or my weakness for German >women > > has me wanting to buy a Nico album. >She has a bunch more albums I haven't heard - I have this idea Aaron >Milenski's a fan, but that could be way wrong. Funny you'd think so, because actually what I was going to say that I find her albums fascinating in concept but dull to listen to. MARBLE INDEX is definitely one of a kind, but it leaves me cold. I really like a few of the songs on CHELSEA GRILS (the title tune and "It Was A Pleasure Then," both very long, are wonderful), and would recommend starting there as long as you keep in mind that everything she did afterwards is completely different. But even that album fails to keep my interest through the lesser Reed/Cale songs. What I had planned to pipe in and say is that you might like Bridget St. John. She's a singer/songwriter who sounds uncannily like Nico but has a more mainstream folk-rock style. (She, too, dated Kevin Ayers, which makes one think he's attracted to women whose voices are as husky as his.) People usually respond to her either by falling in love with her voice and becoming lifetime fans or by losing interest after asking why she's so freaking laid-back. I won't guarantee which camp you'll be in, but I love her music. I'd recommend starting with her later work--the two more rock based albums she did in the early 70s, THANK YOU FOR and JUMBLEQUEEN. Both are on CD, though I think they're imports, which mkaes them kind of expensive (I was patient and got them for reasonable prices on eBay.) Her first two albums are on a CD two-for, but those albums are somewhat more difficult, in my opinion. Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:30:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: [loud-fans] WMA Smackdown! Leaving aside all of the "Microsoft is Evil" points--all points well taken in my book--I'm wondering what folks with better ears and technical knowledge than me think of Windows Media Audio vs MP3. Is it better, worse, or the same, where I suppose the measurment standard is audio quality for a given bit rate? Also, another question: If I have an MP3 or WMA file and I convert it to a WAV file to put on CD, does that conversion process result in a loss of audio quality? That is, I know when you compress a file from WAV to MP3 that there's a quality loss, but is there an additional quality loss when you decompress an MP3 into a WAV? - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:33:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] WMA Smackdown! On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Michael Mitton wrote: > Also, another question: If I have an MP3 or WMA file and I convert it to a > WAV file to put on CD, does that conversion process result in a loss of > audio quality? That is, I know when you compress a file from WAV to MP3 > that there's a quality loss, but is there an additional quality loss when > you decompress an MP3 into a WAV? Not to my knowledge - it's like unZIPping a file. You get a decoded version of the encoding/compression. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:38:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][RC] On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 Tim_Walters@digidesign.com wrote: > Would Medium Medium fall into this category? And did they ever play a gig with > Liquid Liquid? And with Duran Duran and Talk Talk? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:35:14 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][RC] Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 Tim_Walters@digidesign.com wrote: > > > Would Medium Medium fall into this category? And did they ever play a gig with > > Liquid Liquid? > > And with Duran Duran and Talk Talk? Don't forget Mister Mister. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:37:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][RC] On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, jenny grover wrote: > Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > > > On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 Tim_Walters@digidesign.com wrote: > > > > > Would Medium Medium fall into this category? And did they ever play a gig with > > > Liquid Liquid? > > > > And with Duran Duran and Talk Talk? > > Don't forget Mister Mister. Try though you might... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:46:14 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][RC] > > Don't forget Mister Mister. > Try though you might... Kyrie lays down on the road that I must travel... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:42:30 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: [loud-fans] Bandname Bandname >Don't forget Mister Mister. God knows I've tried, but the fact that their drummer ended up in King Crimson makes it difficult. I think the winner of this dubious competition would have to be Shitty Shitty Band Band. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:50:29 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the plot thickens In a message dated 9/19/02 12:16:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dana-boy@juno.com writes: > I think that Mark may have been right after all about the Satanic > connection. Just what exactly is the Loud Family's "Tape of Only Linda" > doing (at #168) on this page of links to Satan?? Hmmm?? > > Sheesh, you had to bring up my "Hello, Larry" of list fodder? It's my "Let's Dance" of subject matter. Get your Indiepop boys right. It was all about the imagery on that Jupiter Affect album. The two books on demonology I've read got the best of my thinking at the time. I was looking for ghosts in the tub of Country Crock in my fridge. That is weird. I know that Scott looks kinda like a wizard, but I figure him more the Trekkie than the D&D type. There is no other explanation other than some kind of deal with the dark prince for people to still care about Ozzy Osbourne (and now his whole family!) in the year 2002 IMO, though. Well, maybe another. I guess as long as suburban and blue collar white 14-year-old boys magic marker pictures of Lucifer on their notebooks as a masculine expression of teen angst, Ozzy will still be moving units. In a sort of related thought, "Don't Fear the Reaper" has to be one of the creepiest, most unsettling pop songs ever made. And now we have the Blue Pepsi cult... - -Mark S. np: Love Tractor "This Ain't No Outerspace Ship" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:52:43 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] Splitsville downloads You can download the new EP until 10:00 am tomorrow morning. www.splitsville.com - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:18:07 -0500 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Splitsville downloads Mr. Larry reports: >You can download the new EP until 10:00 am tomorrow morning. >www.splitsville.com ...and boy, howdy, they must be on a fast server, or at least one that's close to me. It took me about thirty seconds to successfully download all four tunes. Russ np: Splitsville MP3s The man, whose name was nondescript, unslung his maquina and placed it on the bartop, gently, as if it was asleep and he wished not to wake it. It was his favorite machine gun. They had been together for years. Men who knew of guns and subordinate clauses said that when the gun was fired, it leaped and twisted with the iridescent violence of a taildancing black marlin, yet it was not nearly so slimy. "A good and fine weapon, senor. Who is its maker?" The barman reached for the gun but recoiled when it growled at him. The man eyed his host warily, wondering if he took Visa. "My weapon is a Deus X, model 20." "Ah, a Deus X maquina. A miraculous and convenient device, eh?" From "In Another Contra", by Dave and Diana Curtin, from The Best of Bad Hemingway. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:44:44 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the plot thickens Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > > I was looking for ghosts in > the tub of Country Crock in my fridge. And did you find any? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:47:07 -0400 From: Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][R C] Along with The The, Was Not Was, and Love Spit Love? > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey [mailto:jenor@csd.uwm.edu] > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:39 AM > To: nice when we want something > Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation > [NS][RC] > > > On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 Tim_Walters@digidesign.com wrote: > > > Would Medium Medium fall into this category? And did they > ever play a gig with > > Liquid Liquid? > > And with Duran Duran and Talk Talk? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:41:54 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][R C] Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com wrote: > > Along with The The, Was Not Was, and Love Spit Love? Oh, and Sylvain Sylvain. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:53:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][R C] On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com wrote: > Along with The The, Was Not Was, and Love Spit Love? There goes Julianne, indulging in counterintuitive paradigms again: yes, they all *could* have been palindromic names, but those of us who don't IICP would say duplicative names was what we were up to. I rule out Was (Not Was) because they wrote it w/the parentheses, which ruins the symmetry. So, any duplicative or palindromic names *not* from the '80s? (THe palindrome thing is highly appropriate for 2002!) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Once he forgot what city he was in and saw an honor guard of four ::men marching toward him on the sidewalk, going from their guard duty ::to their barracks, and they carried rifles with fixed bayonets and ::wore embroidered tunics, pleated skirts and pompom slippers and he ::knew he wasn't in Milwaukee. --Don DeLillo, _Mao II_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:03:32 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][R C] my phone number. (to my immense surprise, the goon on the other end of the line when i was ordering my phone service knew what a palindrome was when i asked for one.) 2280822 can we do numerology next? - -- It's well known that if you take a lot of random noise, you can find chance patterns in it, and the Net makes it easier to collect random noise. Dr. James M. Robins, Professor of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at Harvard - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" To: "a nation town" Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 2:53 PM Subject: RE: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][R C] > On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com wrote: > > > Along with The The, Was Not Was, and Love Spit Love? > > There goes Julianne, indulging in counterintuitive paradigms again: yes, > they all *could* have been palindromic names, but those of us who don't > IICP would say duplicative names was what we were up to. > > I rule out Was (Not Was) because they wrote it w/the parentheses, which > ruins the symmetry. > > So, any duplicative or palindromic names *not* from the '80s? (THe > palindrome thing is highly appropriate for 2002!) > > --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html > ::Once he forgot what city he was in and saw an honor guard of four > ::men marching toward him on the sidewalk, going from their guard duty > ::to their barracks, and they carried rifles with fixed bayonets and > ::wore embroidered tunics, pleated skirts and pompom slippers and he > ::knew he wasn't in Milwaukee. > --Don DeLillo, _Mao II_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:09:35 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][R C] me on 9/19/2002 4:03:32 PM wrote: > my phone number. > > Bad move, Brianna! Don't be surprised when you go home tonight and find a voice mail from Seattle featuring multiple chattering Furbys. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:12:12 -0500 From: Bill Silvers Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the plot thickens >In a sort of related thought, "Don't Fear the Reaper" has to be one of the >creepiest, most unsettling pop songs ever made. No, it doesn't. b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:33:23 -0400 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: [loud-fans] need info Could who ever sent me the swap tape "Shades of the night...played mellotron" songs a while ago let me know who you are? Thanks- Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:08:33 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] list crossover (sort of like Kenny Rogers) From another list I'm on: The London theatre scene is churning along. The next big musical to arrive will be Our House, a new book show worked around songs by the group Madness, opening in October http://lightingdimensions.com/ar/show_business_seen_heard_57/index.htm I want tickets! - -Mark S. "How is the world ruled and led to war? Diplomats lie to journalists and believe these lies when they see them in print." Karl Kraus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:47:29 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] chanteuse clues Thanks for the suggestions on Nico. I decided I'd get the "Classic Years" compilation since the feedback I got was kind of down the middle. My favorite tracks seem to be coming from CHELSEA GIRLS and THE MARBLE INDEX. "The End" is the last song on the disc, and I think I like it better than the Doors' version. It's colder, more spare, like Jim Morrisson with a buzz cut wearing all black in a room of mirrored walls lit by fluorescent lights. - -Mark S. And please, let's leave all that crap about Satan and crosses and what not in the past? I am quite prejudiced admittedly to anything that even remotely smells like some lame-o Satan gimmick is attached to it (i.e. the majority of the "Metal" genre) so PLEASE, I beg. But I leave you with this one thought: Why is it considered cool to have references to Satan or Hell on your mainstream (not "Christian") teenage hard rock album, but not Jesus or Heaven? Hmmm.... Doesn't seem fair to me. One "rocks" while the other is "preachy." Donne moi un petit break. - -Mark S. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:30:02 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] chanteuse clues At Thursday 9/19/2002 11:47 PM -0400, Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: >And please, let's leave all that crap about Satan and crosses and what not in >the past? That dana! - Always bringing up Satan in connection with the Loud Family! Slap, slap, dana! >Why is it considered cool to have references to Satan or Hell on your >mainstream (not "Christian") teenage hard rock album, but not Jesus or >Heaven? Hmmm.... Doesn't seem fair to me. One "rocks" while the other is >"preachy." You're looking at it the wrong way, ya big goof. You assume that the populace likes the "rocking" music solely because it is "Satanic" and does not like the "Christian" music because it is "preachy". Maybe "Satanists" just make better music. (Y'know, it's that whole Faustian thing - they sold their soul, so they get their time in the sun.) Maybe they're not so concerned with spreading an uplifting message, and instead write and play music that people want to hear. Christian music is mostly wimpy music, and no kid wants to be caught dead listening to wimpy music. I constantly got beat up in high school because my favorite artist was Al Stewart. And I still get beat up because my favorite artist is now the Loud Family. So, tell us - what Christian music do you consider "rocking" (or whatever) and not overly "preachy"? I bet the only ones you can name are ones that are, in reality, popular/mainstream (Jars of Clay, Creed, etc.). It was all the rage for awhile. Maybe to be popular, you just have to make music that appeals to people, rather than trying to fit a label. (Well, at least until the marketers get involved.) But let's leave all this talk about Satan and crosses and whatnot in the past. 1277 Express to Heaven, Speeding along like dynamite, Latre. --Rog (so excited to be working for the company that brought down the stock market today) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:29:57 -0700 (PDT) From: me@justanotherfuckin.com Subject: [loud-fans] the things they do in colorado Cup Stacking http://www.speedstacks.com/ i don't get it either, but there you have it. it's exactly what it sounds like. stacking cups. very, very quickly. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:36:00 -0700 (PDT) From: me@justanotherfuckin.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the things they do in colorado oops - ok, so he started it in SoCal, but he's in CO now, if i understand the site. he must have been shipped there for his cup stacking activities. :) hi, rog... couldn't resist.... brianna On Thu, 19 September 2002, me@justanotherfuckin.com wrote: > > Cup Stacking > http://www.speedstacks.com/ > > i don't get it either, but there you have it. it's > exactly what it sounds like. stacking cups. very, > very quickly. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:46:17 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the things they do in colorado At Thursday 9/19/2002 09:36 PM -0700, me@justanotherfuckin.com wrote: >oops - ok, so he started it in SoCal, but he's in CO >now, if i understand the site. he must have been >shipped there for his cup stacking activities. Well, y'know, there's not a lot to do out here except start fires and complain about the lack of touring bands who come through town. Most of us just dream of getting on Survivor so we can we be outwitted by a simple puzzle challenge on national TV. All my cups have beer in them, Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:46:21 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] chanteuse clues In a message dated 9/19/02 9:31:06 PM, rwinston@tde.com writes: << So, tell us - what Christian music do you consider "rocking" (or whatever) and not overly "preachy"? I bet the only ones you can name are ones that are, in reality, popular/mainstream (Jars of Clay, Creed, etc.). >> That question was for Mark, but this is as good a chance as any to recommend the work of Steve Taylor, composer of "I Blew Up The Clinic Real Good." 1993's "Squint" (his last studio album) is easily found in the $1 bins, along with the live "Liver," which serves as a great career overview...especially since it skips his embarassing synth-based early days. The $1 bin also has several copies of 1996's great "Take Me To Your Leader," one of the many albums by Newsboys where Taylor produced and co-wrote the songs. Musically, he describes himself as painfully derivative, but that's worked well for Robert Pollard. Lyrically, he's always reminded me of Scott Miller. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:56:45 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] chanteuse clues At 10:30 PM -0600 9/19/02, Roger Winston wrote: >At Thursday 9/19/2002 11:47 PM -0400, Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > >>Why is it considered cool to have references to Satan or Hell on your >>mainstream (not "Christian") teenage hard rock album, but not Jesus or >>Heaven? Hmmm.... Doesn't seem fair to me. One "rocks" while the other is >>"preachy." > >You're looking at it the wrong way, ya big goof. You assume that >the populace likes the "rocking" music solely because it is >"Satanic" and does not like the "Christian" music because it is >"preachy". Maybe "Satanists" just make better music. To paraphrase Martin Luther, "the devil has all the best tunes". :) Hmm. I think the easy answer to this is that to the adolescent mind, Christianity = parents. Satanic imagery allows those using it, and by extension those who get off on it, to think of themselves as rebellious badasses who flip God the bird and get away with it. Look at all the other tropes of good ol' rock 'n' roll that are read as "rebellion" or "doing your own thing": motorbikes, freaky clothes, drugs, kink, etc. etc. etc. Most of these are used by the same bands that peddle the Satanism thing. It's all vaudeville to me. > (Y'know, it's that whole Faustian thing - they sold their soul, so >they get their time in the sun.) Maybe they're not so concerned >with spreading an uplifting message, and instead write and play >music that people want to hear. Christian music is mostly wimpy >music, and no kid wants to be caught dead listening to wimpy music. Well, not all of it's wimpy in terms of the sound. There are Christian punk bands, industrial bands, even a few Christian noise artists. My beef with Christian music isn't the message or the sound--it's that in most cases the lyrics are godawful paraphrases of the Bible or concatenated evangelical catch-phrases. In other words, bad devotional music. What do I need with any of that crap when I can listen to Palestrina or William Byrd? On the other hand, as an agnostic with a high-church aesthetic, I'm hardly the target market for most contemporary Christian product... Matt Defence, not defiance. Motto of the Volunteers Movement, 1859 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:00:55 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] chanteuse clues At 12:46 AM -0400 9/20/02, JRT456@aol.com wrote: > >That question was for Mark, but this is as good a chance as any to recommend >the work of Steve Taylor, composer of "I Blew Up The Clinic Real Good." >1993's "Squint" (his last studio album) is easily found in the $1 bins, along >with the live "Liver," which serves as a great career overview...especially >since it skips his embarassing synth-based early days. The $1 bin also has >several copies of 1996's great "Take Me To Your Leader," one of the many >albums by Newsboys where Taylor produced and co-wrote the songs. Musically, >he describes himself as painfully derivative, but that's worked well for >Robert Pollard. Lyrically, he's always reminded me of Scott Miller. Steve Taylor is actually one of the few artists in the contemporary Christian ghetto that I can stand. I seem to remember an early-80s group called Daniel Amos that were pretty good as well, in a sort of new-wavey style. Matt Defence, not defiance. Motto of the Volunteers Movement, 1859 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 02:30:52 -0400 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] chanteuse clues on 9/20/02 12:46 AM, JRT456@aol.com at JRT456@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/19/02 9:31:06 PM, rwinston@tde.com writes: > > << So, tell us - what Christian music do you consider "rocking" (or whatever) > and not overly "preachy"? I bet the only ones you can name are ones that > are, in reality, popular/mainstream (Jars of Clay, Creed, etc.). >> I think the Danielson Famille are pretty interesting. Some of their stuff sort of rocks. Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 02:31:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] chanteuse clues > So, tell us - what Christian music do you consider "rocking" (or whatever) > and not overly "preachy"? I bet the only ones you can name are ones that > are, in reality, popular/mainstream (Jars of Clay, Creed, etc.). It was I have a theory that "Christian Music" as that music is played on those fish stations is defined by "uplifting" wimpiness. For example, if the ethics involved with Christianity are as important as the metaphysics, then one of the most strongly Christian (without quotes) albums I've ever heard is Pedro the Lion's Control. Yet, as you may guess, I've played him for a few friends who quite like "Christian Music" and it's incredibly hard to convince them that there is a message in Control that's very much in line with traditional Christian ethics. Why? Because the music RAWKS, and such music can't be "uplifting". My hand to God, I've been in a Mormon church service where someone on piano sang "Stairway to Heaven." Wimpy piano, swelling melody, it's gotta be from on high! Alone in bed, late at night, she fantasizes about Barry White, - --Michael NP Galxie 500 ON FIRE ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #332 *******************************