From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #331 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, September 19 2002 Volume 02 : Number 331 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Fwd: [loud-fans] Re: fat musicians, bodies, etc. [Boyof100lists@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Re: fat musicians, bodies, etc. [Boyof100lists@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] digicost [Dave Walker ] Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][RC] ["Aaro] [loud-fans] History repeats [Richard Gagnon ] Re: [loud-fans] History repeats ["Roger Winston" ] Re:Re: [loud-fans] History repeats [dana-boy@juno.com] Re:Re: [loud-fans] History repeats [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Received: from rly-xj05.mx.aol.com (rly-xj05.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.42]) by air-xj01.mail.aol.com (v88.20) with ESMTP id MAILINXJ12-0917095824; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:58:24 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [199.201.145.78]) by rly-xj05.mx.aol.com (v88.20) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXJ59-0917095758; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:57:58 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (ident-user@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g8HDvOVx021168 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g8HDvOkY021153 for loud-fans-outgoing; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tde00.tde.com (tde00.tde.com [66.45.49.20]) by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g8HDvMVx021006 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aqlzosrt.tde.com (unverified [66.45.49.133]) by tde00.tde.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.4.232) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:57:11 -0600 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020917075306.02ece600@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: rwinston/pop.tde.com@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:57:38 -0600 To: Cxiuj via bazo apartenas ni From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: fat musicians, bodies, etc. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org Precedence: bulk At Tuesday 9/17/2002 03:56 AM -0400, Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: >Pet peeve of mine: seeing guys jogging half naked down the street with >Soloflexed bodies. Is that REALLY necessary? (then they stop, pull some keys >out of their gym shorts and get into the Hummer) Thanks for the insight, Andy Rooney. Loved your book. What about people who don't use their turn signals? Those inconsiderate slobs really honk me off. Someday, hopefully, you will be able to find a country (or planet?) to live in where all people behave exactly like you want them to and no one will lord anything over anyone else. Latre. --Rog HUMAN MILK FOR HUMAN BABIES! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:37:52 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: fat musicians, bodies, etc. In a message dated 9/17/02 9:58:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rwinston@tde.com writes: > Thanks for the insight, Andy Rooney. Loved your book. What about people > who don't use their turn signals? Those inconsiderate slobs really honk me > > off. > > Oops. I accidentally screwed up what I was trying to do and forwarded the original post back to the list (no caffeine yet). I just wanted to add that it just occured to me that about 10 years ago I had a bumper sticker on the back of my car which read "Visualize Using Your Turn Signals." Oh Boy. Right again. Let X=X. People probably thought, what's his problem? Not gettin' any? - -Mark S. np: The Pooh Sticks "Million Seller" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:40:36 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] digicost On Tuesday, September 17, 2002, at 01:48 PM, Keegstra, Russell wrote: > but my favorite format is > now the ones that are like little hardback books (like > Rheostatics' Harmelodia or the copy of Boards of Canada > Geogaddi I found recently (which I think was some sort > of special thing (limited edition maybe?))). Yes, it was limited edition (I think the retail cost on it was a buck or two higher than the jewelboxed version) I've seen a few other small label releases in that format recently. I wonder what the relative cost of it is. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:58:41 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][RC] >I need a short list of things to get started with this short-lived genre. >All signals point to this being the genre that will really get my juices >flowing, but I've yet to do the research, as I work all the time (yes, >because I am lazy). I had a list of bands to investigate but I lost it. > I would agree that you shuold absolutely start with the NO NEW YORK compilation. It's the only album of the genre that works all the way through, in my opinion, probably because the combination of artsist gives it much-needed variety. I do kind of like the Contortions BUY album, also, but my guess is that if you love the comp you'll want to seek out a bunch of other things. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 10:54:42 -0400 From: Richard Gagnon Subject: [loud-fans] History repeats "The latest thing in marketing", indeed. ;) http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/16/business/media/16EPIC.html - -- ************************ "I began to feel uncomfortable, ************************ as if I were walking over a canyon on a narrow railroad bridge hearing a train whistle far down the line" John Straley, "Death and the language of happiness" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:05:28 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] History repeats History Repeats indeed! Weren't we just talking about this yesterday, or did I dream it? So much of LoudFans is surreal, it's hard to tell... Latre. --Rog - ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Gagnon Sent: 9/18/1999 8:54:42 AM To: loud-fans@smoe.org Subject: [loud-fans] History repeats > "The latest thing in marketing", indeed. ;) > > http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/16/business/media/16EPIC.html > -- > ************************ "I began to feel uncomfortable, > ************************ > as if I were walking over a canyon > on a narrow railroad bridge > hearing a train whistle far down the line" > John Straley, "Death and the language of happiness" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:26:39 GMT From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re:Re: [loud-fans] History repeats So much of LoudFans is surreal, >>>>>>>>> Just out of curiosity (and also Jeff's been kind of quiet lately), what's the preferred name for this group? "Loudfans"; "Loud-fans"; "LoudFans"; "loud-fans"; etc...? Cause, you know, I might have to put it on my resume someday, or something. And who is Jane.Smoe anyway? - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:40:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re:Re: [loud-fans] History repeats On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 dana-boy@juno.com wrote: > Just out of curiosity (and also Jeff's been kind of quiet lately), > what's the preferred name for this group? "Loudfans"; "Loud-fans"; > "LoudFans"; "loud-fans"; etc...? I tend to use either "Loudfans" or "loudfans" myself. I don't see the need for a hyphen, and I loathe, despise, hate, and am generally pissy at intercapitalization. (side note: *I* never referred to myself as "JeFFrey": I think the first time that saw print was on my contribution to the excellent, and still available - right? - compilation of Loudfans' cover versions. Actually, I wanted that bit to be an unlisted bonus track...my "cover" of Scott playing a little guitar lick and saying something like "I don't know why I did that," which I left on someone's answering machine...) I am banging on my desk with a brick and it's making lots of noise. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::The more you drive, the less intelligent you are:: __Miller, in REPO MAN__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:53:20 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: Re: Re: [loud-fans] History repeats Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey on 9/18/2002 5:40:18 AM wrote: > I loathe, despise, hate, and am generally pissy at > intercapitalization. Them's FightinWords. > (side note: *I* never referred to myself as > "JeFFrey": I think the first time that saw print was on my contribution to > the excellent, and still available - right? Wrong: http://www.reignoffrogs.com/scottrib.html Though I'm sure there are copies to be had out there *somewhere*... > - compilation of Loudfans' > cover versions. Actually, I wanted that bit to be an unlisted bonus > track...my "cover" of Scott playing a little guitar lick and saying > something like "I don't know why I did that," which I left on someone's > answering machine...) It was a Breenism. Not my fault!! Gad, I can't believe you're still upset about that all these years later. Don't worry, there were only 300 copies of those liner notes. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:04:15 +0100 From: "richblath" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][RC] Dana then Joe, > > Then you listen to Deus. That just about covers it. > > Would that be early Deus? I've heard a song from their more recent work > that was very melodic, but I bought their first CD and it *was* very > skronky. dEUS definitely got more accessible as they went along and as a result less skronky. The Ideal Crash is by far their poppiest release, and is one of my all-time faves. Instant Street for example has this guitar solo with what initially sounds like a bum note, but builds into a hynotically partially atonal instrumental crescendo. I revisit Worst Case scenario, their debut much less frequently, although it too has its moments. Shame they seem to have disappeared without trace - maybe Tom Barman got too much positive feedback from his film project and opted for a more permanent change of direction. Richard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:40:28 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] History repeats In a message dated 9/18/02 12:53:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rwinston@tde.com writes: > > - compilation of Loudfans' > > cover versions. Actually, I wanted that bit to be an unlisted bonus > > track...my "cover" of Scott playing a little guitar lick and saying > > something like "I don't know why I did that," which I left on someone's > > answering machine...) > > It was a Breenism. Not my fault!! Gad, I can't believe you're still upset > about that all these years later. Don't worry, there were only 300 copies > of those liner notes. > > I am probably the last person (or pretty close) to get that CD and I think that it is perfect just the way it is. Wabi-Sabi, Kemo Sabe. - -Mark S. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:49:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: fat musicians, bodies, etc. On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > it just occured to me that about 10 years ago I had a bumper sticker on the > back of my car which read "Visualize Using Your Turn Signals." Oh Boy. > > People probably thought, what's his problem? Not gettin' any? Right - because suave, sophisticated, sexually attractive men realize that a crash caused by a failure to use signals is just another opportunity for erotic encounter. "Oh honey, are you okay? Ooh, I think you might have strained your back a bit when I rear-ended you. Here, let me massage you. Speaking of 'rear-ending'..." Here comes Bob... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, rhythmically snapping his fingers and belching while adjusting the hang of his leather jacket J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::To be the center of the universe, don't orbit things:: __Scott Miller__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:55:47 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: fat musicians, bodies, etc. In a message dated 9/18/02 1:49:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jenor@csd.uwm.edu writes: > Right - because suave, sophisticated, sexually attractive men realize that > a crash caused by a failure to use signals is just another opportunity for > erotic encounter. Not to mention the crash itself. Warm. Leatherette. - -Mark S. np: Fine China "When the World Sings" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:56:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Re: Re: [loud-fans] History repeats On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Roger Winston wrote: > Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey on 9/18/2002 5:40:18 AM wrote: > > > I loathe, despise, hate, and am generally pissy at > > intercapitalization. > > Them's FightinWords. Also I LDHAAGPA needless compounding - you'd better watch out, Rog, as if the ongoing series of Colorado Apocalyptic Events isn't enough! > > (side note: *I* never referred to myself as > > "JeFFrey" > It was a Breenism. Not my fault!! Gad, I can't believe you're still > upset about that all these years later. Don't worry, there were only > 300 copies of those liner notes. Oh yeah, dude, that's cuz yr like a major recording artist, with scads of releases bearing your timeless guitar stylings. That bit was my recording debut, and my only release to date (I blame Major Label Hegemony) - and it's sullied by a Breenism. Damn. I will depress myself over my panorama of minor failings and complain ceaselessly. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, who can't believe we're still talking about Mike Breen all these years later J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::"Shut up, you truculent lout, and let the cute little pixie sing!":: np: Nothing Painted Blue _Emotional Discipline_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:00:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][RC] On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, richblath wrote: > dEUS definitely got more accessible as they went along and as a result less > skronky. As an aside, Rog, you can make a CD full of bands with stupid capitalization and punctuation preferences for me - that'd probably drive me over any nearby edges I haven't already sped headlong over. I like the Contortions, until they tried to get more conventionally funky. The guy was from Brookfield forchrissakes (Milw. burb), and let me tell you, Brookfield knows not from funky. Oh - and what about newer acts along similar lines...Ex-Models, Life Without Buildings (sorta), etc.? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Once he forgot what city he was in and saw an honor guard of four ::men marching toward him on the sidewalk, going from their guard duty ::to their barracks, and they carried rifles with fixed bayonets and ::wore embroidered tunics, pleated skirts and pompom slippers and he ::knew he wasn't in Milwaukee. --Don DeLillo, _Mao II_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:03:38 -0400 From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][RC] Re: No Wave after No New York > >I don't know that there really is a second step worth taking. > Andy said: > Au contraire, mon pomme frite! ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, if you really want to delve: http://www.recordhospital.org/orgies/nowave.html ...will provide directions to all the research materials that anyone could reasonably ask for. No Wavey bands to avoid, IMHO, are Ut (I'm sure that someone will disagree, but I find them about as appealing as the Sonic Death CD) and Circle X, whom I really wanted to like but just can't due to lousy vocals and some annoying industrial tendencies. The most obscure DNA tracks, as far as I know, probably reside on the Disques de Crepuscule compilation The Original Sin. IMHO, they aren't very good, with pretty horrible sound quality and no vocals (at least none that I can recall). Save your money or buy a Blonde Redhead album instead. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:09:35 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][RC] At 07:03 PM 9/18/02 -0400, Dana Paoli wrote: >The most obscure DNA tracks, as far as I know, probably reside on the >Disques de Crepuscule compilation The Original Sin. IMHO, they aren't >very good, with pretty horrible sound quality and no vocals (at least >none that I can recall). Save your money or buy a Blonde Redhead album >instead. The full title of the comp is FRUIT OF THE ORIGINAL SIN. The DNA tracks on it aren't very special, but there's some other cool stuff on it (WSB reading an excerpt from NAKED LUNCH, some Wim Mertens piece, an Orange Juice track). Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley To your tents, O Israel. The Holy Bible (The Old Testament): _The First Book of the Kings_, chapter 12, verse 16 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:13:22 -0400 From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][RC] The full title of the comp is FRUIT OF THE ORIGINAL SIN. The DNA tracks on it aren't very special, but there's some other cool stuff on it (WSB reading an excerpt from NAKED LUNCH, some Wim Mertens piece, an Orange Juice track). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm actually listening to the record right now and realizing that I like it much better than I did a few years ago (not including the DNA tracks, which still suck); tastes must have changed. I'm told that the CD doesn't include all the tracks on the vinyl edition, so buyer beware. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! 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