From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #330 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, September 18 2002 Volume 02 : Number 330 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] screwed over by hipster mag editors [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Je] Re: [loud-fans] screwed over by hipster mag editors [Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com] Re: [loud-fans] More on the state of the music business [Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] screwed over by hipster mag editors On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > I read the next 3 Costello reissues were supposed to be out today, but I > called and they aren't in the store, at least the one I frequent, anyway. Is > this another case of The Josie Syndrome? Dunno where you read this - but Rhino doesn't say anything about them on its site (rhino.com). Between the upcoming 2-CD Black Sabbath set and a couple of Yes items (the big box set, a DVD release), Joe's probably drooling, though. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Californians invented the concept of the life-style. ::This alone warrants their doom. __Don DeLillo, WHITE NOISE__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:02:12 -0500 From: Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] screwed over by hipster mag editors Looking on the (Unofficial) Elvis Costello home page, the next batch of reissue appear to be posponed until November 11th.... Tentative info on the Bonus CDs of two of 'em can be found here: http://www.elviscostello.info/bonus_tracks.html Oh. and Elvis is putting out a limited edition CD of remixes, live tracks and "B-sides" from _When I Was Cruel_. It comes out Oct 1st and is called _Cruel Smile_ - ----- Forwarded by Wes Vokes/MKE/eFunds on 09/17/02 01:57 PM ----- Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey To: nice when we want something Subject: Re: [loud-fans] screwed over by hipster mag editors Sent by: owner-loud-fans@s moe.org 09/17/02 01:24 PM On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > I read the next 3 Costello reissues were supposed to be out today, but I > called and they aren't in the store, at least the one I frequent, anyway. Is > this another case of The Josie Syndrome? Dunno where you read this - but Rhino doesn't say anything about them on its site (rhino.com). Between the upcoming 2-CD Black Sabbath set and a couple of Yes items (the big box set, a DVD release), Joe's probably drooling, though. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Californians invented the concept of the life-style. ::This alone warrants their doom. __Don DeLillo, WHITE NOISE__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:05:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] More on the state of the music business On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, dmw wrote: > copies of the new tori amos and pearl jam cds are being shipped GLUED > INTO portable cd players provided by the label, which have headsets > glued into them. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/16/business/media/16EPIC.html This is nearly deranged. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:15:05 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] More on the state of the music business At 03:05 PM 9/17/2002 -0400, Aaron Mandel wrote: >On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, dmw wrote: > >> copies of the new tori amos and pearl jam cds are being shipped GLUED >> INTO portable cd players provided by the label, which have headsets >> glued into them. Yeah, but getting a portable CD player, so that you can listen to the album multiple times, skip and relisten to tracks and handy stuff like that, has to be better than the fortunately-brief vogue of the "listening party," where the reviewers were all herded into a room and played the album. Once. In a room full of people. Yeah, that's gonna work. KID A was subjected to this, and I read that a couple of other albums from the same era were treated this way as well, but I forget what they were. S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:21:22 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] More on the state of the music business On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Stewart Mason wrote: > Yeah, but getting a portable CD player, so that you can listen to the album > multiple times, skip and relisten to tracks and handy stuff like that, has > to be better than the fortunately-brief vogue of the "listening party," > where the reviewers were all herded into a room and played the album. > Once. In a room full of people. Yeah, that's gonna work. > > KID A was subjected to this, and I read that a couple of other albums from > the same era were treated this way as well, but I forget what they were. a guy recounted a story about being driven around by prince while his new record played in the limo. i saw a parody review in which several staffers stood around and imagined that they were listening to _kid a_, and discussed it. still, back in the real world, if i'm writing about an album vs. writing about the experience of listening to an album, i damn sure want to be able to hear it on *my* choice of speakers. i bet they're not shipping the portable cd players with SR80s or 7506's ...call it a hunch. but, you know, i'd rather not hear it first as 128k mp3s, either. at which point we segue into a "position paper" again, so i'll shut up. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:58:16 -0400 From: "Chris Murtland" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] More on the state of the music business I think the ideal scenario is that the labels write the reviews and pay the mags and zines who run them $500 each. Not only will yer fave press outlet be able to cut out the cost of paying reviewers, but you could eventually reduce the market to one big pub put out by the RIAA, since there will really only be one review per album. This would also save the labels money since they don't have to send out review copies or glued-together cd players. Saving the labels money will mean the "artists" will get more money. Of course, the labels could just employ a few key musicians who are flexible enough to play within several styles with a proven market track record, and a few actors to lip-sync for the videos for the different brands. I haven't worked out all the product placement possibilities yet. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:26:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] screwed over by hipster mag editors On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Between the upcoming 2-CD Black Sabbath set and a couple of Yes items (the > big box set, a DVD release), Joe's probably drooling, though. I have all the remastered Sabs CDs from Castle and the 4-CD best-of from same, so no need to hand Sharon any more money, especially after the travesty that is PAST LIVES - a 2-CD live set, the first CD of which is already available as LIVE AT LAST, and the second a hodgepodge of two great shows - Paris 1970 and Asbury Park 1975. Why not release both unreleased concerts in their entirety? I'm on the fence about the Yes box set, as I've got all the remastered catalog from 68-80, and don't care for the 80's/90's stuff. Which DVD - the Amsterdam Symphonic show? I'm eagerly awaiting the DVD from the current tour w/ Rick Wakeman. To seal the Classic Rock thread, tonight I'm going to see Rush for the first time in 16.5 years. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:55:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] More on the state of the music business On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Chris Murtland wrote: > I think the ideal scenario is that the labels write the reviews and pay > the mags and zines who run them $500 each. Not only will yer fave press > outlet be able to cut out the cost of paying reviewers Huh? Wuzzat? "Paying" reviewers? Sorry - never heard of it. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Solipsism is its own reward:: __Crow T. Robot__ np: Dandy Warhols _Thirteen Tales from Urban Bohemia_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:57:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] screwed over by hipster mag editors On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > catalog from 68-80, and don't care for the 80's/90's stuff. Which DVD - It sez "Close to the Edge - DVD audio." I didn't dig around the site to see if there's any more info - it's just on their upcoming release schedule, 10-8 or 10-15. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:06:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] More on the state of the music business On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, dmw wrote: > the news item, but it was in the Times yesterday: the label is so > concerned that promotional ocpies sent to reviewers are being made > availalbe on p2p services that copies of the new tori amos and pearl jam > cds are being shipped GLUED INTO portable cd players provided by the > label, which have headsets glued into them. These guys are gonna put The Onion out of business. > i think there's a marketing angee being missed here: > > "we'll give you an absolutely FREE cd player if you write about the new > pearl jam record!" I'd be tempted to review the CD player itself - or the glue. Another example of The High Cluelessness: such measures only ensure that clever people are motivated to figure out how to extract the disc and/or its sounds and post MP3s of it as big ol' fuck-yous. How long after these glue-enhanced portable sound-system dealies hit the streets do you bet MP3s will be triumphantly floating around the web? One might also consider adapting the time-honored junkmail fightback of attaching one of those postage-paid annoyance cards to a brick, thereby forcing junk mailers to eat large postal fees: since promo copies are often marked SURRENDER ON DEMAND, simply put the whole thing in a box (assuming you don't like PJ or Amos), address it sans return address to Epic, and write I SURRENDER on it... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::The more you drive, the less intelligent you are:: __Miller, in REPO MAN__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:09:40 -0400 From: "Chris Murtland" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] More on the state of the music business Oops, what I meant to say is that they would save on the cost of fielding calls from reviewers wanting to know why they cut their review by 10 words. C with one C C Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Huh? Wuzzat? "Paying" reviewers? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:18:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] More on the state of the music business On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Chris Murtland wrote: > Oops, what I meant to say is that they would save on the cost of > fielding calls from reviewers wanting to know why they cut their review > by 10 words. Especially when it's so much easier to scan and cut & paste the press release - I mean, the publicity people have editors, so there's no need for reviewers to edit the press releases too. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::The more you drive, the less intelligent you are:: __Miller, in REPO MAN__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:25:53 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] More on the state of the music business On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, dmw wrote: > > > the news item, but it was in the Times yesterday: the label is so > > concerned that promotional ocpies sent to reviewers are being made > > availalbe on p2p services that copies of the new tori amos and pearl jam > > cds are being shipped GLUED INTO portable cd players provided by the > > label, which have headsets glued into them. > > These guys are gonna put The Onion out of business. it's been suggested to me offline that in fact this has got such a high profile, given that essential the same tactic was used with cassettes in the 80s, may not be stupidity on the labels part, but a canny way to raise the profile of the new amos & pj releases. (viz. the enormous flap over the emimem leaks.) the last one was amos' contractual obligation record, right? this is her meet the new boss. and pj's first studio release of new millennium?. so there's that to consider. - -- d. np snowglobe _our land brains_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:33:46 -0400 From: "Chris Murtland" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] More on the state of the music business As I always say (actually, I've never said it, but I like to naively extrapolate my personal perspective into objective historical record), if there's a chance something could be a cynical ploy, well, then it probably is. And there's always a chance something's a cynical ploy, therefore... ccm dmw wrote: > it's been suggested to me offline that in fact this has got such a high > profile, given that essential the same tactic was used with cassettes in > the 80s, may not be stupidity on the labels part, but a canny way to raise > the profile of the new amos & pj releases. (viz. the enormous flap over > the emimem leaks.) the last one was amos' contractual obligation record, > right? this is her meet the new boss. and pj's first studio release of > new millennium?. > > so there's that to consider. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:40:19 -0400 From: "Chris Murtland" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] More on the state of the music business Right, which is why it would be much easier if BMG Mitsubishi AOL Time Warner Sparky just bought the publicity companies, too (that is, the ones they don't already own). Since they own the media already, it would just be much more efficient if they could go straight from press release to print. Another idea is that they could first run the reviews to see how they play, try out the video on a couple of focus groups, and THEN record the album. If you want the best return on investment, you need some solid market research up front. Chris with 1 C 1 h 1 r 1 i 1 s Chris Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Especially when it's so much easier to scan and cut & paste the press > release - I mean, the publicity people have editors, so there's no need > for reviewers to edit the press releases too. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:43:34 -0400 From: "Chris Murtland" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the chimes of Pussy > Nobody's completely innocent in the Sopranos' world. Or any other. XXX ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:44:00 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] screwed over by hipster mag editors Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey on 9/17/2002 9:57:51 AM wrote: > On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > > > catalog from 68-80, and don't care for the 80's/90's stuff. Which DVD - > > It sez "Close to the Edge - DVD audio." I didn't dig around the site to > see if there's any more info - it's just on their upcoming release > schedule, 10-8 or 10-15. Warning: DVD Audio is not the same as DVD Video. You need a whole 'nother kind of player to play those discs. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:54:14 -0400 From: "Chris Murtland" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: fat musicians, bodies, etc. Hmm, I read one too many posts and I learn about cds I will want to buy. I hate to break a two-year fast, but I sure do like Frank Black. 10-4, Roger, Over and Out, Winston-Salem postscript: Yes, my new game is to see how I can appropriate each poster's name as my own. Roger Winston wrote: > Speaking of other musicians (who may or may not be portly), I just listened to the two new Frank Black releases. Nice stuff. My initial reaction is that I prefer the shorter one (DEVIL'S WORKSHOP) to the longer one (BLACK LETTER DAYS), but at this point both will probably make my year-end top 10. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:00:48 -0400 From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] screwed over by hipster mag editors Warning: DVD Audio is not the same as DVD Video. You need a whole 'nother kind of player to play those discs. >>>>>>>>>> Wait a second. I thought that the whole reason why DVD Audio was going to beat the new SACD format was because DVD players could already play it. Now I'm confused. Didn't Tim say that almost all DVD players can handle DVD-A? Or is that different than DVD Audio? - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:10:22 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] screwed over by hipster mag editors Dana Paoli on 9/17/2002 4:00:48 PM wrote: > Wait a second. I thought that the whole reason why DVD Audio was going > to beat the new SACD format was because DVD players could already play > it. Now I'm confused. Didn't Tim say that almost all DVD players can > handle DVD-A? Or is that different than DVD Audio? I always thought DVD-A and DVD Audio were the same thing. More and more players are being sold that do both DVD Video and DVD Audio, but chances are you don't have one of those if your player is more than a few months old. Plus, because of the restrictions on digital copying, in order to get the 5.1 sound from DVD-A disc, your player has to have the separate 6 analog speaker outputs (and your receiver the corresponding 6 speaker inputs). Okay, I just did a little research, and I'm wrong: http://www.dvdempire.com/Content/dvdaudio.asp Apparently you *can* play DVD-A discs on most DVD-V players, you just won't get the full effect. Hmmmm, learn something new every day... Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:16:47 -0400 From: "Chris Murtland" Subject: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][RC] I need a short list of things to get started with this short-lived genre. All signals point to this being the genre that will really get my juices flowing, but I've yet to do the research, as I work all the time (yes, because I am lazy). I had a list of bands to investigate but I lost it. Preemptive deflection of the pat answer: I know all about Google and the All Music Guide and other aspects of Tim Berner-Lee's World Wide Web. For personal reasons I cannot divulge, I prefer not to go that route. See footnotes for hints. xkjy12 Askew, MS Zip code: 38621 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:38:03 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: [loud-fans] DVD-Audio Revisited >Didn't Tim say that almost all DVD players can >handle DVD-A? Or is that different than DVD Audio? Almost all *current* DVD players, and even there it looks as if I may have overstated my case; a quick browse through the Crutchfield catalog shows that there are more that don't than I thought, at all price levels. I'm not sure why, if one could get DVD-A capability for the same price, one wouldn't, but there it is. It also occurs to me, belatedly, that people might be reluctant to buy discs they can't play in their car. SACD's headstart in making dual-layer discs might be an advantage here. To add to the confusion, "DVD-Music" seems to be used both for concert video discs and audio-only discs that play back in non-audio players at higher bit rates than CDs but lower than DVD-Audio. Will the public grasp the distinction? DVD-A has Corrosion of Conformity, New York Dolls, Pentangle, Jonathan Richman, Richard Thompson, and X-Ray Spex in its court, though: http://www.dvdangle.com/dvd_audio/titles.html I couldn't find a comprhensive SACD list dated later than mid-2001, at which point it was a total snooze. Maybe someone better at googling can find a current list. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:44:09 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] screwed over by hipster mag editors >Okay, I just did a little research, and I'm wrong: >http://www.dvdempire.com/Content/dvdaudio.asp >Apparently you *can* play DVD-A discs on most DVD-V players, you just won't get the full effect. Hmmmm, >learn something new every day... This is news to me too. I think they're confusing "DVD-Music" with "DVD-Audio". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:47:19 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] screwed over by hipster mag editors >This is news to me too. I think they're confusing "DVD-Music" with "DVD-Audio". Reading the PDF, it looks as if the discs in question have DVD-V on one side and DVD-A on the other. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:51:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] screwed over by hipster mag editors On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > > > catalog from 68-80, and don't care for the 80's/90's stuff. Which DVD - > > It sez "Close to the Edge - DVD audio." I didn't dig around the site to > see if there's any more info - it's just on their upcoming release > schedule, 10-8 or 10-15. Ah, the DVD-A releases. I don't have a stereo worthy of playing it (although my DVD player would), and I have the remastered edition, so I'm good for now. Thanks for the heads-up. As for record labels whinging and artists complaing, why not try the micro-indie route: artist pays for the recording, label pays for pressing, they split the cost of publicity and the profits. It's not like their aims are in opposition. Both want people to buy the artist's music. Any "artist" who doesn't want that shouldn't make a record. ~4 hrs. to Rush. I've been so good, I haven't looked at a single setlist on the Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:03:42 -0400 From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][RC] Well, the first step is to buy the "No New York" compilation, which features Mars, The Contortions, Lydia Lunch and DNA. It's available as a Japanese import on CD for thirty something dollars, and you might be able to find it cheaper used or on vinyl. I don't know that there really is a second step worth taking. - --dana On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:16:47 -0400 "Chris Murtland" writes: > I need a short list of things to get started with this short-lived > genre. All signals point to this being the genre that will really > get my juices flowing, but I've yet to do the research, as I work > all the time (yes, because I am lazy). I had a list of bands to > investigate but I lost it. > > Preemptive deflection of the pat answer: I know all about Google and > the All Music Guide and other aspects of Tim Berner-Lee's World Wide > Web. For personal reasons I cannot divulge, I prefer not to go that > route. See footnotes for hints. > > xkjy12 > > > Askew, MS > Zip code: 38621 > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:13:37 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][RC] In a message dated 9/17/02 4:05:50 PM, dana-boy@juno.com writes: <> Then you listen to Deus. That just about covers it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:37:01 -0400 From: Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Re: fat musicians, bodies, etc. > From: Boyof100lists@aol.com [mailto:Boyof100lists@aol.com] > > Pet peeve of mine: seeing guys jogging half naked down the > street with > Soloflexed bodies. Is that REALLY necessary? (then they > stop, pull some keys > out of their gym shorts and get into the Hummer) My gay > friend Steve back > when we were young would roll down the window and whistle at > 'em and say > stuff like, "Lookin' good!" and really freak out/piss off > some of 'em. I > would be dying a thousand deaths in the passenger seat the whole time. Were these deaths small, almost petite? Hey, someone had to ask.... Curiously, -julianne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:58:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][RC] On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 JRT456@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/17/02 4:05:50 PM, dana-boy@juno.com writes: > > < features Mars, The Contortions, Lydia Lunch and DNA...I don't know that there > really is a second step worth taking. >> > > Then you listen to Deus. That just about covers it. Would that be early Deus? I've heard a song from their more recent work that was very melodic, but I bought their first CD and it *was* very skronky. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:37:12 -0400 From: "Chris Murtland" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][RC] Perfect! One or two steps is about all I can handle anyway. Danke, CCM123@aol.com JRT456@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/17/02 4:05:50 PM, dana-boy@juno.com writes: > > < features Mars, The Contortions, Lydia Lunch and DNA...I don't know that there > really is a second step worth taking. >> > > Then you listen to Deus. That just about covers it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:23:45 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: fat musicians, bodies, etc. In a message dated 9/17/02 7:37:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com writes: > Were these deaths small, almost petite? > > Hey, someone had to ask.... > > Curiously, > > -julianne > > > If I didn't have to be quiet at the moment in the breakfast nook by my Mom's bedroom (wacky 1950's floorplans) I would laugh extremely loudly. I am however, smiling as wide as I can smile. If you only knew how dangerous doing something like that was in the South in the pre-Clinton era you would know why I was scratching at the tinted glass. But I've always had friends with quite a bit of joi de vivre. I had one friend at College of Charleston who got me to drive her around in my Rabbit convertible with the top down while she was dressed as the Bride of Frankenstein on Halloween night, 1986, so she could torture/confuse the cruising, horny Citadel cadets at stoplights downtown, being really sultry and saying stuff like, "Hey baby," and doing Marilyn Monroe poses and kissy faces. Ah, to be young again. - -Mark S. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:13:14 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No Wave - solicitation for recommendation [NS][RC] >Well, the first step is to buy the "No New York" compilation, which >features Mars, The Contortions, Lydia Lunch and DNA. It's available as >a Japanese import on CD for thirty something dollars, and you might be >able to find it cheaper used or on vinyl. > >I don't know that there really is a second step worth taking. Au contraire, mon pomme frite! DNA had the mighty A TASTE OF DNA ep, which may not be available these days, but they do have a whole live CD now, too, and stuff on the DOWNTOWN 81 soundtrack, which is a killer soundtrack though not entirely skronk, so you need that too. What else...the TEENAGE JESUS AND THE JERKS ep might be in print together with some of Lydia's other stuff, I can't say for sure. 1981's JOHN GAVANTI, a no-wave all-star adaptation of Mozart's DON GIOVANNI and possibly the only record Lester Bangs was never able to listen to all the way through, is back in print through Atavistic. For more suggestions, consult Lester Bangs' "A Reasonable Guide To Horrible Noise." So nobody else watched the Greatest Video Of The 21st Century (George Michael's "Shoot The Dog")?, Andy "We're the answering service, but we don't take messages." - --some doctor's office ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #330 *******************************