From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #328 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, September 17 2002 Volume 02 : Number 328 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] in response to a response to a shameless plug [jenny grov] Re: [loud-fans] in response to a response to a shameless plug [me@justano] RE: [loud-fans] the chimes of Aimee ["Larry Tucker" ] Re: [loud-fans] Carol Emshwiller [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] Carol Emshwiller [dmw ] Fw: [loud-fans] Garageband.con? ["richblath" ] Re: [loud-fans] Moz on Kilborn/Josie Cotton [jsharple@brooklaw.edu] Re: [loud-fans] TMBG? [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] TMBG? [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] TMBG? ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] TMBG? [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] the chimes of Aimee [Boyof100lists@aol.com] RE: [loud-fans] TMBG? ["Larry Tucker" ] Re: [loud-fans] TMBG? [Janet Ingraham Dwyer ] [loud-fans] RAC vs. RIAA [Jon Gabriel ] Re: [loud-fans] TMBG? [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] the chimes of Aimee [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] TMBG? [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] the chimes of Aimee [Carolyn Dorsey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] in response to a response to a shameless plug me@justanotherfuckin.com wrote: > > i took the challenge, and the site is up. Thanks for sharing those. Nice work. I'm interested in further pursuing collage, so it's interesting to see what other people do with it. Was Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness done with direct body prints? The LF-inspired ones are my favorites, followed by Black Rock. How did the reception go? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 00:34:22 -0700 (PDT) From: me@justanotherfuckin.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] in response to a response to a shameless plug thanks for the comments! L,L,Poh and Freedom are direct prints, yes. gooey fun-ness. and yes, paint is bad for you. at least it's not oils. as for PBRT, complex music does neat things to my art, IMHO. and the reception is the 25th, so i still have to decide what i'm showing. if i can get the guts up, it'll be freedom, but it's pretty graphic in person, so we'll see. otherwise, since i'm limited to 2'x3', it'll be Red No. 1, since the LF ones are huge. On Mon, 16 September 2002, jenny grover wrote: > > me@justanotherfuckin.com wrote: > > > > i took the challenge, and the site is up. > > Thanks for sharing those. Nice work. I'm interested > in further > pursuing collage, so it's interesting to see what other > people do with > it. Was Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness > done with direct > body prints? > > The LF-inspired ones are my favorites, followed by > Black Rock. How did > the reception go? > > Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:19:17 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] the chimes of Aimee |-----Original Message----- |From: Boyof100lists@aol.com [mailto:Boyof100lists@aol.com] |Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 3:09 PM |To: loud-fans@smoe.org |Subject: [loud-fans] the chimes of Aimee | | |When I listen to Lost in Space, I hear high-pitched chiming |sounds in the mix |on a couple of different tracks. At first I thought it was my |cell phone |ringing, but it's from the album. Has anyone noticed this |besides me? Is |that her guitar? I detected the exact same thing Mark. Can't remember which song, but at least twice in the car it's had me scrambling for my phone. If I have an accident trying to answer my phone, can I sue Aimee? I'll take this opportunity to retract me previous opinions on the new album. With every listen it gains higher and higher marks for me. Though musically it still does sort of retread the same ground, but lyrically I've found it to be one of her most enjoyable...well if songs about bad relationships and addictions can be deemed enjoyable. I'm even rethinking my complaint on the constant mid-tempos because in this context it makes for a cohesive album. And as much as I've enjoyed her record company woe songs, it's nice to see that she's gone someplace else. For someone who at this point in her career should be on a high, she sure can write about some depressing situations. I can only imagine what her sessions with her psychiatrist must be like. Speaking of psychiatrists, yeah the Sopranos is back! - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:01:23 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: [loud-fans] Carol Emshwiller >And so long as I'm on the subject, Carol Emshwiller's THE MOUNT is the >finest SF novel I've read since THE SPARROW, and one of my favorite books of >the year. Reading John Clute's review of THE MOUNT prompted me to pull her short-story collection THE START OF THE END OF IT ALL down from my to-read shelf, where it had been languishing for a few years after I bought it at a garage sale. I think the only reason I bought it was because I knew her ex-husband Ed's film work. Boy oh boy oh boy is it good. THE MOUNT is currently on deck. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:14:24 -0700 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Carol Emshwiller On 9/16/02, Tim_Walters@digidesign.com wrote: >THE MOUNT is currently on deck. Same here. It sounds totally bizarre, but the blurb from Glen David Gold--author of CARTER BEATS THE DEVIL, the best "mainstream" novel I've read this year--did the trick. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:40:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Carol Emshwiller On Mon, 16 Sep 2002 Tim_Walters@digidesign.com wrote: > Boy oh boy oh boy is it good. > > THE MOUNT is currently on deck. I shall point out http://www.lcrw.net whence one can buy it and her new short story collection. I haven't read either one, but the other two books Small Beer Press has put out are great. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:51:57 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Carol Emshwiller On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Aaron Mandel wrote: > > THE MOUNT is currently on deck. > > I shall point out > > http://www.lcrw.net > > whence one can buy it and her new short story collection. I haven't read > either one, but the other two books Small Beer Press has put out are > great. to which i reply: kelly link! kelly link! kelly link! the last time i was so enthused about someone's first book was jen banbury's _like a hole in the head_, or maybe never. (the text of this message refers to the small beer press short story collection entitled _stranger things happen_ by, oh, somebody or other. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:09:03 +0100 From: "richblath" Subject: Fw: [loud-fans] Garageband.con? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "richblath" To: "Phil Fleming" Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Garageband.con? > I take it from your comments that you've not got a band registered on the > site. Since joining over the summer we as a band have been wondering what on > earth is in it for people in that position - your comment about the vouchers > was interesting for that reason. > > As a band we're mainly in it for the feedback by way of reviews and for that > reason alone it is valuable. I think I speak for the others in our > conglomeration when I say that we're not looking for the big prize at this, > or probably any other, stage of the process. Taking away that prize may well > be a huge disincentive to a number of bands who are desperate to explore all > possible avenues to fame and that obviously has an impact on the quantity of > the music available, which may have a knock on effect on the reviewers, if > quality is affected as well. The other reason it is interesting as a > musician (taking on airs and graces here!) is the Scott aspect - listening > to what other people in your chosen genre are up to at any given time and > comparing yourself to it. > > I must say that I generally find reviewing to be an interesting and > rewarding experience in and of itself, although I recognise that I've only > been doing this for a short time, so perhaps the novelty of the whole thing > hasn't worn off yet, despite having done 200 pairs of reviews in that time. > > Anyone needing to know what yet another loud-fan's band sounds like could > make a selection from this page www.garageband.com/artist/powdermonkeys . > And, Phil, if I was wrong in my earlier assertion and you do have music on > there I'd be interested to check it out. > > Richard > > np well it just had to be didn't it - a compilation of tracks that I've > given 5 star reviews to on G'band that I've downloaded as mp3s! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil Fleming" > To: "richblath" > Cc: > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 2:29 AM > Subject: [loud-fans] Garageband.con? > > > > Not sure why this bothers me so much, but what is it > > with this site these days? > > The whole premise behind it (band can win a $250,000 > > record deal) has pretty much diminished to > > nothing(virtually no reward system other than > > 'promotion' which pretty much any band with a wee bit > > of web-savvy can do). > > The memberships are still free (Thank GOD) but they're > > trying to sell you a subscription to their bi-monthly > > CD 'club' (for lack of a better term). When I signed > > up for it back in 2000, they sent me a CD just for > > joining. I would love to know what really happened > > behind that site (I'm not sure I believe the story the > > site gives) > > > > I wonder how many of it's old members still take part > > in it, considering there's no 'reward' for reviewing > > music anymore. For me, that was a motivating factor, > > but it became a non-issue when the pickins became > > fewer and fewer. (First, anything from HMV.com, then > > cdbaby.com, then their meager catalog [at the time, > > like 8 titles], now nothing except 'the experience of > > listening to new music'... Hell, when I was a DJ at > > Radioboston, I did that sort of thing, yet I didn't > > promise anyone the moon then take it away.) > > > > I'm not bitter (despite the appearance)... I'm just > > wondering what went wrong. Though I am lamenting the > > fact that I never got to redeem my free CD 'coupons'. > > I coulda had that Maggies disc! GRRR! > > > > Rant over (with enough parantheticals to choke any > > copywriter), > > > > Phil F. > > > > NP... was Reverse _the jersey switch_ > > now Orbit _XLR8R_ > > > > > > --- richblath wrote: > > > np some pop/rock stuff on www.garageband.com for > > > review again. There's some > > > fine stuff on here, not just the Maggies as Max > > > mentioned before. Just heard > > > a track that would have fitted beautifully into > > > Meaningless if it had been > > > recorded slightly better. > > Yahoo! News - Today's headlines > > http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:12:11 -0400 From: jsharple@brooklaw.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moz on Kilborn/Josie Cotton Quoting Boyof100lists@aol.com: > I don't owe the world or you any toe dances. I do things on my own terms, in > my own time. Eh! You don't believe that for a second! If you truly believed you didn't owe anybody an explanation for how you live your life you wouldn't spend so much time and energy explaining to us how you live your life. C'mon, Mark. You'd been doing pretty well until a few days ago, but you're slipping back and you're starting to dominate the list with your drama again. JS "Hundreds of outraged residents showed at a Community Board 7 meeting last week to vote against the plan to build an interactive carnival, complete with a high-flying trapeze and hot-air balloons, near West 105th street, saying it would 'create a circus-like atmosphere'." - -NEW YORK POST, 9/16/02 - ------------------------------- This mail sent through Brooklyn Law School WebMail http://www.brooklaw.edu/webmail - ------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:10:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] TMBG? On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Anyone here heard the new TMBG "kids" album? Thoughts? (Would we adults > like it too? I'm guessing, given the suitability of TMBG to do a kids' > album such that I'm wondering, "what took them so long?" - that the > answer is "yes" - curiously, the opposite of the album's title.) I like it, but it's down at a level with, like, Factory Showroom or the first Mono Puff album for density of material. It sounds very much like they tried to make it more digestible for kids rather than just looking at all their unreleased material and picking the songs without the word 'fuck' in them. On the other hand, it had longer lead time than their records usually do, so I'd heard most of the songs several times before. Less slavish fans would not have this problem. Something baffling on the TMBG front: my record store, like Amazon and CDNow, is listing a $30 single CD by them, in stock tomorrow, called "Dial-A-Song: 20 Years Of They Might Be Giants". The band's official announcement mailing list has said nothing about it. $30? Is it Japanese? Is it some kinda thing from a former record label the band isn't talking to, like that Aimee Mann collection? Clearly the internet has spoiled me, because I'm just not used to this kind of thing even being a question. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:17:44 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] TMBG? In a message dated 9/16/02 5:11:24 PM, aaron@eecs.harvard.edu writes: << Something baffling on the TMBG front: my record store, like Amazon and CDNow, is listing a $30 single CD by them, in stock tomorrow, called "Dial-A-Song: 20 Years Of They Might Be Giants". .....>> It's a well-chosen 2-CD collection that's, sadly, released in shabby digipaking. The Rhino site (in fact, Rhino.com) probably lists all the songs. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:28:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] TMBG? On Mon, 16 Sep 2002 JRT456@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/16/02 5:11:24 PM, aaron@eecs.harvard.edu writes: > > << Something baffling on the TMBG front: my record store, like Amazon and > CDNow, is listing a $30 single CD by them, in stock tomorrow, called > "Dial-A-Song: 20 Years Of They Might Be Giants". .....>> > It's a well-chosen 2-CD collection that's, sadly, released in shabby > digipaking. The Rhino site (in fact, Rhino.com) probably lists all the songs. Rant time: Digipaks suck. If the "spindle" breaks, no replacement. The entire CD holder usually starts to detach from the packaging. booklet (if there is one) is usually hidden in the sleevelike cover, making it difficult to get and put back. The packaging degrades faster than plastic and cannot be easily cleaned. The digipak may be cheaper and more environmentally friendly to make, but it's terrible to use. Thank you. Good night. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:02:38 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] TMBG? "Joseph M. Mallon" wrote: > > The digipak may be cheaper and more > environmentally friendly to make, but it's terrible to use. I had heard they were more expensive to make. Anyone know the production costs on these things vs. plastic? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:05:40 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the chimes of Aimee In a message dated 9/16/02 11:19:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ltucker@townofchapelhill.org writes: > I detected the exact same thing Mark. Can't remember which song, but at > least twice in the car it's had me scrambling for my phone. If I have an > accident trying to answer my phone, can I sue Aimee? > Thanks for responding, Larry. What do you think it is? No, you can't sue Aimee. She's still trying to build back her savings after being sued for having that rattail back in th' day. (I'm just kidding. It fit her well then.) I'm not a drama queen, I just play one on Loud-fans. It's just that I don't watch TV much, so I have to create it on the list (and NO, ALL TV doesn't suck, K? But, stick me in front of a TV with any programming involving Pamela Anderson and I'll be looking for the closest sharp object. - -Mark S. (Who is definitely NOT a hipster. I've exceeded the unwritten hipster weight limit of 200 pounds. There are only two known exceptions: Frank Black and Damien Jurado. The guy that sings for Smashmouth doesn't count) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:11:57 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] TMBG? - -----Original Message----- From: Joseph M. Mallon [mailto:jmmallon@joescafe.com] Sent: Mon 9/16/2002 8:28 PM To: Cc: LFList Subject: Re: [loud-fans] TMBG? On Mon, 16 Sep 2002 JRT456@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/16/02 5:11:24 PM, aaron@eecs.harvard.edu writes: > > << Something baffling on the TMBG front: my record store, like Amazon and > CDNow, is listing a $30 single CD by them, in stock tomorrow, called > "Dial-A-Song: 20 Years Of They Might Be Giants". .....>> > It's a well-chosen 2-CD collection that's, sadly, released in shabby > digipaking. The Rhino site (in fact, Rhino.com) probably lists all the songs. Rant time: Digipaks suck. If the "spindle" breaks, no replacement. The entire CD holder usually starts to detach from the packaging. booklet (if there is one) is usually hidden in the sleevelike cover, making it difficult to get and put back. The packaging degrades faster than plastic and cannot be easily cleaned. The digipak may be cheaper and more environmentally friendly to make, but it's terrible to use. +++++++++++++++++ Right Joe! And whatever you do don't leave one in the car in the sun. It ain't pretty. - -larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:19:05 -0400 From: Janet Ingraham Dwyer Subject: Re: [loud-fans] TMBG? At 08:10 PM 09/16/2002 -0400, Aaron Mandel wrote: >On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >> Anyone here heard the new TMBG "kids" album? Thoughts? (Would we adults >> like it too? I'm guessing, given the suitability of TMBG to do a kids' >> album such that I'm wondering, "what took them so long?" - that the >> answer is "yes" - curiously, the opposite of the album's title.) > >I like it, but it's down at a level with, like, Factory Showroom or the >first Mono Puff album for density of material. It sounds very much like >they tried to make it more digestible for kids rather than just looking at >all their unreleased material and picking the songs without the word >'fuck' in them. By coincidence (or not, but I won't be held responsible for reopening that discussion), tonight I arrived home from work to hear Benjamin singing along with "Four of Two" at the top of his lungs. "Singing along" generally means shouting out the last word of each line on songs that are not sung slowly enough for a three-year-old to really sing along with, and it's quite charming to hear. Then I downloaded my e-mail, and saw that Aaron had picked up on a query that Jeff originally sent a day or two before Benjamin received _No!_ in the mail as a birthday present from his Uncle Jeff and Aunt Rose. I do not suppose that last part is entirely coincidental. Andy reports to me that Benjamin now like all the songs on this album. Up till today, he was a big fan of certain numbers and would frequently ask for them by name, while others, notably "Robot Parade", would make him disconsolate and impatient. His favorite tracks are "Four of Two" (of which he has memorized the last word of each line), "The House at the Top of the Tree", "Violin", and "Lazyhead and Sleepybones". Thanks to Benjamin's selective approval, I haven't actually heard this album through, but I think I agree with Aaron as to its merits on an adult level. I'm ambivalent about TMBG making a children's album - sure, as Jeff mentioned, it seems a terrific fit between band and project, but (okay, some lyrical content aside) haven't TMBG been, all along, making music kids are likely to love? _No!_ has a feel of trying-too-hard about it. Then again, we haven't played _Lincoln_ or _Flood_ for Benjamin in about two years. Maybe he'd hate them. I do have to admit I don't understand the appeal of many of the songs the three-year-olds really go for, from the kiddie section of the music library. These kids today. janet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:42:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Gabriel Subject: [loud-fans] RAC vs. RIAA Monday's USA Today had an interesting article on artists kicking the RIAA while it's wallowing in self-pity. Can Hilary Rosen withstand the moral indignation of Tom Waits, Puddle of Mudd & Coolio? Perhaps, but that was before Carole King leapt into the fray... http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2002-09-15-artists-rights_x.htm NP: crying baby ===== 777777777777777777777777777777 JON GABRIEL mesa, arizona usa inkling communication + design 777777777777777777777777777777 Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:36:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] TMBG? On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Janet Ingraham Dwyer wrote: > By coincidence (or not, but I won't be held responsible for reopening > that discussion), tonight I arrived home from work to hear Benjamin > singing along with "Four of Two" at the top of his lungs. Obsessive fan note: in the original version, the guy hangs himself. At the end his lifeless eyes are still staring at this unchanging clock. Not a kids' song. > Then again, we haven't played _Lincoln_ or _Flood_ for Benjamin in about > two years. Maybe he'd hate them. I do have to admit I don't understand > the appeal of many of the songs the three-year-olds really go for, from > the kiddie section of the music library. These kids today. I do wonder whether having the lyrics on the verses go too fast for kids to parse would be an obstacle for youthful enjoyment of a lot of songs. Choruses tend to be easily singable, by their nature. If he's gotten used to the Johns' voices, though, this might be the perfect time to pull out Lincoln and see how it goes over. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:38:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the chimes of Aimee On Mon, 16 Sep 2002 Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > suck, K? But, stick me in front of a TV with any programming involving > Pamela Anderson and I'll be looking for the closest sharp object. sharp objects, Pamela Anderson...sharp objects, Pamela Anderson. Nope - can't think of a thing. > -Mark S. (Who is definitely NOT a hipster. I've exceeded the unwritten > hipster weight limit of 200 pounds. There are only two known exceptions: > Frank Black and Damien Jurado. The guy that sings for Smashmouth doesn't > count) Oh, you're forgetting D. Boon, Bob Mould back in the day - and Debora Iyall! - but hey, what is it about those pseudo-ska bands a few years ago? I remember seeing a video for Sublime or somebody, and it was like three or four guys with their shirts off who, uh, should've been wearing shirts. I mean, I'm all for being okay with yr body image whatever that body might be...but when half your band is trying out to play Fat Bastard without body makeup, maybe you should be okay with your body image *and* with a shirt. J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::To be the center of the universe, don't orbit things:: __Scott Miller__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:40:50 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] TMBG?/Digipaks When they aren't busy making tiny reproductions of original cardboard LP sleeves (now accessorized with hard plastic protectors), our friends in Japan are fighting the good fight against digipaks. Among others, I've upgraded from the lousy American packaging of the Kostars s/t CD and Eels' "Daisies of the Galaxy." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:49:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] TMBG? On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Aaron Mandel wrote: > this might be the > perfect time to pull out Lincoln and see how it goes over. That's what I thought, too - but the undercover cop, she disagreed. Jeff Ceci n'est pas une .sig ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 00:05:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] TMBG? On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Aaron Mandel wrote: > > > this might be the > > perfect time to pull out Lincoln and see how it goes over. > > That's what I thought, too - but the undercover cop, she disagreed. Okay, I can see two ways of reading this joke. "They asked me for some collateral / And I pulled down my pants" - Bob Dylan a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 00:42:23 -0400 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the chimes of Aimee on 9/16/02 11:19 AM, Larry Tucker at ltucker@townofchapelhill.org wrote: > > Speaking of psychiatrists, yeah the Sopranos is back! I finally finished watching the third season on video. Wow the show this season got pretty sick and brutal. What a well written show. Did anyone catch the episode Steve Buscemi directed, "The Pine Barrens"? there were some very funny and bizarre moments in this episode. Steve Buscemi directed it. I feel the character of Carmella is just too naive and nice to be married to Tony. It makes for good drama but it seems so unrealistic. I wonder if Victoria Gotti watches this and says "yeah, sure"! Although..the more I think about it....There was a guy I went to high school with back in Michigan-- in a peaceful and pleasant suburb. His family was in the garbage hauling business. He was a violent sociopath who actually slashed an ex girlfriend's face. People were terrified of him. And he ended up marrying one of the nicest and most popular girls from my class. They later divorced, he went to jail for awhile and when he got out he married a very beautiful girl much younger than him. He bought her a million dollar house (but she didn't get to go with him to pick it) Lots of this show is filmed a few miles from my house. I went to Pizzaland the other day for lunch. Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 00:49:18 -0400 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the chimes of Aimee on 9/17/02 12:42 AM, Carolyn Dorsey at dorseycc@earthlink.net wrote: > on 9/16/02 11:19 AM, Larry Tucker at ltucker@townofchapelhill.org wrote: > >> >> Speaking of psychiatrists, yeah the Sopranos is back! > > > > I finally finished watching the third season on video. Wow the show this > season got pretty sick and brutal. What a well written show. That paragraph didn't come off the way I meant it! I meant to say that while there were some pretty brutal episodes this season-especially towards women characters that I could have done without I still think the show is well written. Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:29:17 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the chimes of Aimee At 12:42 AM -0400 9/17/02, Carolyn Dorsey wrote: > >I feel the character of Carmella is just too naive and nice to be married >to Tony. It makes for good drama but it seems so unrealistic. I wonder if >Victoria Gotti watches this and says "yeah, sure"! I wouldn't say she's naive--wearing blinders, perhaps, maybe even in denial. But somewhere inside her she knows *exactly* what is going on, and she's well aware of having made her choices. Her moral ambivalence toward Tony's work, and her constant teetering on the edge of whether or not she's able to accommodate his flagrantly amoral life in order to have the things she wants (for herself and her kids), have been part of the show since practically the first episode! In Season 1 Livia pretends she doesn't know anything about Johnny's (then Junior's and Tony's) business, then proceeds to make some very definite recommendations concerning that business to Junior. Same situation; she's closed her eyes to what's going on around her and is hoping God will fall for the ostrich act. Matt Be happy while y'er leevin, For y'er a lang time deid. Scottish motto for a house. N. & Q. 7 Dec. 1901, 469 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:31:54 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the chimes of Aimee At 12:49 AM -0400 9/17/02, Carolyn Dorsey wrote: > >I meant to say that while there were some pretty brutal episodes this >season-especially towards women characters that I could have done without I >still think the show is well written. Making those scenes hard to take was part of the point, I think. They were brutal, but they were anything but gratuitous. Matt Be happy while y'er leevin, For y'er a lang time deid. Scottish motto for a house. N. & Q. 7 Dec. 1901, 469 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:54:57 +0100 From: "Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] closet cleaning (ns) Dana says: > I suppose that everyone has heard about the Camper Van > reissues, right? Very exciting times for '80's indie fans, these are. No! Please tell. 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