From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #326 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Sunday, September 15 2002 Volume 02 : Number 326 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Zevon PS ["Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] RE: intercity ["Brett Milano" ] [loud-fans] the chimes of Aimee [Boyof100lists@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Moz on Kilborn/Josie Cotton [Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Zevon PS >Thanks Phil. Best thing I've read yet. >I envy his grace. What a champ. I've been pretty bummed out, I must say. Still, www.warrenzevon.com/ does have a new song, another collaboration with Hiaasen. Interesting to see a joyously intoxicated woman ASL'ing to "The French Inhaler," Andy "If America can bring free elections to Afghanistan, say, why can't it bring free elections to Florida?" - --Daniel Schorr, from NPR commentary this morning ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:29:17 -0400 From: "Brett Milano" Subject: [loud-fans] RE: intercity People do in fact say "Cantabridgian" for residents of the US Cambridge. There's even a bar ("Cantab Lounge") and newspaper ("The Tab") reflecting this fact. That's actually "tab" as in tabloid, and the Cambridge Tab used to be part of a chain of such papers. Ironically, since they redesigned it a few years ago, it no longer IS a tab. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 15:08:55 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] the chimes of Aimee When I listen to Lost in Space, I hear high-pitched chiming sounds in the mix on a couple of different tracks. At first I thought it was my cell phone ringing, but it's from the album. Has anyone noticed this besides me? Is that her guitar? Fall asleep quickly without drugs! Watch Craig Kilborn's opening monologue, where he plagiarizes the comedic stylings of Dennis Miller and Norm Macdonald! - -Mark S. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 17:27:08 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moz on Kilborn/Josie Cotton At 01:59 AM 9/14/2002 EDT, Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: >I've been reminded why I got weaned off the idiot box (and I know this sounds >SO self-righteous, but most tv really sucks. Admit it) Here's a wacky idea: don't watch the shows that suck. Saying that all TV sucks because Craig Kilborn sucks -- which he does -- is like saying that all Scottish pop music sucks because Belle and Sebastian are a bunch of lame-ass poseurs who can't be bothered to write actual melodies. And no, saying "Most TV really sucks" doesn't sound particularly self-righteous. Saying "I don't want to grow up, get a real job and pay rent because I'd rather spend all my money on records and DVDs," *that* sounds self-righteous. Incidentally (because you and others might want to know this), Josie Cotton is still making records. She did a very good Kate Bush/Jane Siberry-style art rock album called FRIGHTENED BY NIGHTENGALES in 1996 (temporarily changing her stage name to Josey Cotton -- her real name is Kathleen Josey, daughter of a prominent Dallas family that made their money in cotton), and a new one called THE INFLUENCE OF FEAR ON SALESMEN is due soon. S ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 17:43:28 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moz on Kilborn/Josie Cotton Stewart Mason wrote: > > >SO self-righteous, but most tv really sucks. Admit it) > > Here's a wacky idea: don't watch the shows that suck. Saying that all TV > sucks because Craig Kilborn sucks -- which he does --... He didn't say it all sucks, he said most of it sucks, and I pretty much agree, especially for people who don't have cable. And most of what's on cable sucks, too, when it gets down to it. > Saying "I don't want to grow up, get a real job and pay > rent because I'd rather spend all my money on records and DVDs," *that* > sounds self-righteous. No, it sounds immature-- if in fact that's what he was really saying. I thought Mark said he had a real job and his own place at one point, lost the job, and moved back home until he could get back on his feet again and finish his teaching degree. I suspect what he's getting at is that he doesn't want to move out and struggle just to get by before he can get another real job, if he doesn't have to. And maybe his mom really does need his help. Would you turn your back on your mom? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 17:54:59 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moz on Kilborn/Josie Cotton At 05:43 PM 9/14/2002 -0400, jenny grover wrote: >And maybe his mom really >does need his help. Would you turn your back on your mom? Well, actually, I quit college, moved back home and spent over two years waiting on my mom hand, foot and bedpan after she was paralyzed by a massive stroke. Thank you for asking. However, I don't recall thinking "Woo hoo! More money for CDs!" at the time, or thereafter. But maybe that's just me. S ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 18:10:07 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moz on Kilborn/Josie Cotton Stewart Mason wrote: > > Well, actually, I quit college, moved back home and spent over two years > waiting on my mom hand, foot and bedpan after she was paralyzed by a > massive stroke. Thank you for asking. However, I don't recall thinking > "Woo hoo! More money for CDs!" at the time, or thereafter. But maybe > that's just me. I'm sorry to hear about your mom. I don't think, faced with that magnitude of work and sorrow that anyone would be thinking so much of entertainment money. However, if my mom was not in dire straits but could still use my help, and I was on my own and not making it on my own, I would surely consider moving back home and enjoying the comforts of such. It's not like it's a moral issue. I'm not sticking up for or meaning to put down either one of you, but it is pretty childish and unnecessarily bitter sounding the way you two bait and spit at each other on this list. I know I'm not the only one who gets tired of reading it. We all have our own lives and our own priorities. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 18:33:18 -0400 From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moz on Kilborn/Josie Cotton > Well, actually, I quit college, moved back home and spent over two years > waiting on my mom hand, foot and bedpan after she was paralyzed by a > massive stroke. Thank you for asking. However, I don't recall thinking > "Woo hoo! More money for CDs!" at the time, or thereafter. But maybe > that's just me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In line with some of my previous, off-list comments to the Loud Family's poor sweet blind drummer, could everyone here who is blind, deaf, missing a limb, impotent, or dead, or whose parents are paralyzed or dead or dying, or whose children were kidnapped by Afghani warlords, or whose houses were crushed by large unexpected rocks... ...please post about it now so we're all forewarned, rather than dropping it self-rightously the next time someone implies that the Gilmore Girls is kind of a lame waste of time. Thank you and goodnight. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 00:29:42 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moz on Kilborn/Josie Cotton Not all of us are lucky enough to have mothers crippled by strokes to guarantee a little hipster one-upsmanship, although I'm sure many of us are grateful that we aren't able to complain about that stolen childhood. However, here's a site that will at least level the playing ground slightly: http://b-girlrecords.com/josienew.htm (URL where we can all learn about Josie Cotton's recent achievements without having to cripple any loved ones in the process) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 00:02:25 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moz on Kilborn/Josie Cotton >...please post about it now so we're all forewarned, rather than dropping >it self-rightously the next time someone implies that the Gilmore Girls >is kind of a lame waste of time. Okay, FINE, you WIN, I CONFESS!!!!!!! I mailed my sperm the other week. I won't say to whom. All double-irised non-drummers watch them mailboxes reeeeeeeeeal close y'hear, Andy Q: How did you first become interested in MDMA as a potential therapeutic tool? A: I had written some articles on hallucinogens, and I thought it was a shame that psychiatry had abandoned research in the area. I started hearing anecdotal accounts about MDMA, so I thought this might be a more accessible area to study. Ecstasy didn't have the hype at that point, in the mid-'80s, that hallucinogens had, and it perhaps had some advantages over a drug like LSD, in that it was milder, easier to control, and facilitated introspection and articulating feelings. It appeared to be effective on people who were alexithymic -- you know what alexithymic means? It means "without words for feelings." [In "The Sopranos," Tony Soprano is diagnosed as alexithymic, among other things.] Q: In other words, people like men? A: [Laughs.] Right -- engineers. People who just could not connect to the feeling states, who were just cut off from their emotional processes, seemed [under the influence of Ecstasy] suddenly able to access those states and put them into words. And it was thought to be very helpful for relationship therapies. [...] Q: How is your opinion looked at by the rest of the medical community? A: Oh, it's hardly looked at all -- it's not even on the board. There's hardly a dialogue on this. Even with hallucinogens, the dialogue has eroded seriously over the last few decades. But the feedback I get when I write, when I give talks, and now that I've published a book, has generally been very positive. I'm not out to be part of a raging controversy. I just think this is a very important issue that has gotten very little attention, with a tremendous misunderstanding. And I think the medical profession and the people we are supposed to be serving are being deprived of a potentially valuable treatment model. I'm not convinced that our conventional treatment models in psychiatry are ideal models. Q: Such as the psychopharmaceutical revolution? A: [Laughs.] Yes, SSRIs for everybody. But think about the Middle East for a minute. I mean you couldn't do this with Ariel Sharon and Yasser Arafat because I'm sure they are in terrible medical shape, but what about taking their children, who are adults, and get them together and provide a sanctioned, medically facilitated MDMA session? Let them have a mutually emphathogenic experience, get in the shoes of the other, feel the pain and the suffering that the other has gone through, and then take a few steps toward feeling what a mutual understanding could be like? Q: And have you yourself ever taken Ecstasy? A: My response to that sort of question is usually along the lines of "I'm damned if I have and I'm damned if I haven't." If I have, then my perspective would be discounted due to my own personal use bias, and if I haven't, it would be discounted because I would not truly understand the full range of experience the drug can induce. Q: So does that mean you're not answering the question? A: [Chuckles.] Exactly. - --Dr. Charles Grob, head of adolescent and child psychiatry at California's Harbor-UCLA Medical Center and editor of the recently-published HALLUCINOGENS: A READER; from an interview by Sheerly Avni at http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2002/09/12/grob_interview/index.html . A study co-authored by Grob calling recent MDMA research results into question appeared recently, to some controversy, in the British medical magazine "The Psychologist." ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #326 *******************************