From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #321 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, September 11 2002 Volume 02 : Number 321 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Jen's way overdue tape review [Carolyn Dorsey ] Re: [loud-fans] will he ever SHUT UP??? ["Chris Murtland" ] [loud-fans] ...and speaking of whiners... ["Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] Re: I will NEVER shut up. [Boyof100lists@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] will he ever SHUT UP??? [Boyof100lists@aol.com] [loud-fans] the eagle's tear by my rifle rack [Boyof100lists@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 03:02:38 -0400 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: [loud-fans] Jen's way overdue tape review Here is my long overdue review of Jens tape. Thank you, Jen! This is one of my favorite swap tapes ever. I recently had to drive 10 hours from New Jersey to Ann Arbor and I was so glad to have this with me. There's alot here I want to hear more of. I've been listening to such oddball music lately so it's great to get a great power pop tape like this. For some reason many of these songs reminded me of some of the music I listened to in Hoboken in the late eighties. Jen mixed in a few things from the sixties and seventies which I always like. Side A 1-Flashing Lights-You Don't Know where the Change is- I thought of Tommy Keene when I first heard this. Loved this song . Terrific vocals and harmonies. Great power pop song. If I can find them anywhere I'll be sure to check them out. 2-Wondermints-Global Village Idiot-Like their sound, kind of ethereal but really poppy and catchy. 3-Baldwin Brothers- Dreamgirl- When I first heard this they reminded me of who? I was trying to place the sound-and I couldn't remember. So I did a search on them and sure enough on this is the singer from Cibo Matto. So there's a little of their sound on this. Very dreamy, trippy, collage-y and funky. I liked this. 4-Fugazi-Night Shop-Fuzzy introduction, this song goes in a few directions, then the sound becomes clearer and the song changes again, kind of meandering. It seems like a few different songs merged into one. I like it. 5-Consonant-John Coltrane's "My Favorite Things" This line repeats over and over. Now what do they mean? Liked the song though. Dense and nice guitar work on this. I heard another song by them called Who Touches You Now? and liked it. I'll look into them more. 6-Fred Drake-House of the Moon-- He's a strong vocalist who carries a beautiful subtle tune. The drums in this are some kind of bongo that have a rich tone to them. Kind of spare jazz, kind of trippy and atmospheric, with a little samples of different musical genres. I'll have to hear more of him. 7-The Dark Fantastic-Your Avenue--Love this! Rich sound, slow and moody. 8-Nick Drake-Things Behind the Sun-I'll always be a fan of Nick Drake's music. 9-Kristen Hersh- Your Dirty Answer-- Good dramatic Kristen song. I like her but she kind of bugs me. I saw her in Hoboken a few years ago with Vic Chestnut. When she sings her eyes get this strange possessed look which is a little off putting. Peculiar and emotive non song lyric lyrics. I've always liked her voice. Side B Skindive- Can you love me still- Pretty girl voices contrast over metal guitar, dense production, lots of horns, layers of guitar. Liked it ok but not alot. Comas-Tiger in a Tower--A slower well written song, psych-y feeling, nice harmonies The Apples in Stereo-What's the #? Kind of a Lilys/Kinks sound on this. Dreamy in that Apples way. Very nice. The Idea-The only Reason- A great power pop song, kind of simple production, this too reminds me of alot of the Hoboken bands from the eighties. The Action-I'll Keep Holding On-I recently got their record from 1968 released this year called Rolled Gold. I recommend it to anyone who likes a sixties sound. Great catchy pop songs. Timeless mod and rocking. Iggy Pop and James Williamson-No Sense of Crime-My favorite song on this tape. What an incredible voice Iggy has. An absolutely great bluesy song with slide guitar. From 1977. The Saints-Memories are Made of This-I never heard them before. Tell me more. The Feelies- The Good Earth Still another band I saw alot of in Hoboken. They were a mainstay in the late Eighties. Such a good jangly and catchy sound. Mark Lanegan- Kimkos Dream House-A beautiful spare ballad, kind of a country sound, he has a wonderful voice. I'll have to hear more of him. T Rex-Mambo Sun-Timeless Marc Bolan. Thank you, Jen. I'll be sure to wear this tape out. Carolyn Coming next-Jeff Norman's review. Jeff! Swap reviewing is hard! Please give me more time! Jeff sent me TWO cds to review! Other non swap related comments- I was never much a fan of Aimee Mann. Her music just doesn't interest me at all. Trading Places-I was mesmerized by that show earlier this year when I was staying in a hotel that had cable. They showed a few hours worth of it and I nearly stayed up all night watching it. They did a house in some suburban tract development in Kansas or something where tumbleweeds were tumbling. The beautiful designers are appropriately condescending to their poor schlubby know nothing "clients"! What is very interesting is the transformations that happen with color and space arrangement. The guy who does all the tchotkes that someone complained about hadn't joined the show yet. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 05:07:10 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jen's way overdue tape review Carolyn, glad you like the tape so much! > 1-Flashing Lights-You Don't Know where the Change is- I thought of Tommy > Keene when I first heard this. Loved this song . Terrific vocals and > harmonies. Great power pop song. If I can find them anywhere I'll be sure > to check them out. You can get it from amazon.com if you don't find it in a store. > 3-Baldwin Brothers- Dreamgirl- When I first heard this they reminded me of > who? I was trying to place the sound-and I couldn't remember. So I did a > search on them and sure enough on this is the singer from Cibo Matto. So > there's a little of their sound on this. Very dreamy, trippy, collage-y and > funky. I liked this. These guys are from Chicago, and TVT is hyping them pretty hard. That's how I heard of them; TVT started sending promo stuff. When they came to Huntington I got to interview them, was on the list, and got to photograph the show. The articles are archived at www.toneandgroove.com Yes, that is Miho Hatori on that song, and they use some other guest vocalists as well. Their live show is very entertaining. Nice guys, too. > 4-Fugazi-Night Shop-Fuzzy introduction, this song goes in a few directions, > then the sound becomes clearer and the song changes again, kind of > meandering. It seems like a few different songs merged into one. I like > it. Yeah, it ends up rather different than it starts, and it's the end section I like best. The way it's set up, I think the ending is that much stronger for being a surprise. Off "The Argument." > 5-Consonant-John Coltrane's "My Favorite Things" This line repeats over and > over. Now what do they mean? It's saying that this is the song the couple in the song listened to over and over. There used to be a site with all the lyrics on it, but I can't seem to find it now. > I heard another song by them called Who Touches You > Now? and liked it. I'll look into them more. That song is probably my favorite. http://www.fenwayrecordings.com/cons/consonant.html has some nice downloads. > 6-Fred Drake-House of the Moon-- He's a strong vocalist who carries a > beautiful subtle tune. The drums in this are some kind of bongo that have a > rich tone to them. Kind of spare jazz, kind of trippy and atmospheric, > with a little samples of different musical genres. I'll have to hear more > of him. Fred owned and operated Rancho de la Luna studios near Joshua Tree, where Mark Lanegan, Desert Sessions, Queens of the Stone Age, Victoria Williams, Vic Chesnutt and others have recorded. He was also a member of eARTHLINGS? Sadly, Fred passed away last June after a long battle with cancer. His music is much infused with the desert he loved, tranquil and mystical. > 7-The Dark Fantastic-Your Avenue--Love this! Rich sound, slow and moody. Mark Pickerel's post Truly project. Off the second album, "Goodbye Crooked Scar." > The Idea-The only Reason- A great power pop song, kind of simple production, > this too reminds me of alot of the Hoboken bands from the eighties. I actually know nothing about this band. This song is on a power pop comp. someone gave me. > The Saints-Memories are Made of This-I never heard them before. Tell me > more. The Saints were an Australian punk band, and I just love them. Off the album "Eternally Yours." > Mark Lanegan- Kimkos Dream House-A beautiful spare ballad, kind of a country > sound, he has a wonderful voice. I'll have to hear more of him. This song was co-written with Jeffrey Lee Pierce, who was a good friend of Mark's, but only released on this latest of Mark's albums, "Field Songs." If I recall correctly, "Field Songs" was my #1 last year. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:22:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jen's way overdue tape review On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, jenny grover wrote: > > 5-Consonant-John Coltrane's "My Favorite Things" This line repeats over and > > over. Now what do they mean? > > It's saying that this is the song the couple in the song listened to > over and over. There used to be a site with all the lyrics on it, but I > can't seem to find it now. > > > I heard another song by them called Who Touches You > > Now? and liked it. I'll look into them more. > > That song is probably my favorite. > http://www.fenwayrecordings.com/cons/consonant.html has some nice > downloads. Or you should just buy it! A great album - one of my favorites of the year. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:04:46 GMT From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] Scott Miller The new "Ask Scott" column at loudfamily.com is actually interesting this week. Has anyone here heard the song? I was going to joyfully report that Scott manages to refrain from whining, but he slips one in right at the end. Oh well, it was close. I'm suddenly noticing that the "Loud" logo for R2R looks an awful lot like a person lying down, in a rorschachy sort of way: the "L" is arms folded across the chest, the "O" is the outline of the chest, the "U" is the neck (sort of) and the "D" is the head. Maybe it's a secret message, revealing that the Loud Family is taking a nap. Off to see U.S. Maple tonight, and very excited!! - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:25:44 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] will he ever SHUT UP??? Not that I'm anything more than a lowly cog marginally employed, but, looking back over the past year, it seems that the bulk of patriotism shown over the WTC tragedy has been expressed by the working class. Why is it that those who are really crapped on the most love this country this most, putting eagles shedding tears on the back of their pickups and flying huge flags? I try and understand, but it is hard for me to. I'm really not trying to sound all smug and superior. I would consider myself only middle class (and lower at that) because I live at home and don't feel the need to take a cut in quality of life by moving out. I really don't get it. Along the same lines, I notice at Christmas that the old moneyed side of town may have a tasteful minimalist tree with white lights showing in the window or a wreath, but that's it, while trailer parks glow like uranium with lights (remember I've done delivery for years...all over my town). It makes me think of the Mod ideology (sort of) where you're poor but you spend all your money on music and looking great. Just wondering, - -Mark S. np: nothing...going to the sto' to buy the Josie Cotton reissue! (spending all my money on music...can't do much about the looking great part) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:28:08 -0400 From: Paul Seeman Subject: Re: [loud-fans] will he ever SHUT UP??? Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > Why is it that those who are really crapped on the most love this country this > most, putting eagles shedding tears on the back of their pickups and flying > huge flags? You'd have to ask each and every one of them; working folks aren't clones. Talking with a few of 'em, though, would be a nice start, and might eventually give you an idea of what's behind some of those gauche expressions of patriotism. You know where they drink. Blue-collar workers sure have gotten "crapped on" over the last few decades, but it's a stone cold fact that they actually built, with their hands, the skyscrapers, automobiles and transportation infrastructure that the rest of us merely use. Not to mention the disproportionate numbers of working class folks who've served in the military. Call it a reflexive kind of Saint-Simonism, but it makes sense to me that the people who feel most intimately invested in what the country's become feel most viscerally aroused when it's attacked. > I'm really not trying to sound > all smug and superior. I would consider myself only middle class (and lower > at that) because I live at home and don't feel the need to take a cut in > quality of life by moving out. I really don't get it. I'm really not trying to sound cruel here, but from where I'm sitting a grown man who still lives at home because he doesn't feel the need to temporarily downgrade his quality of life is to the manor born. Even if it's a modest, tastefully decorated middle-class manor. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:06:36 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jen's way overdue tape review Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > > That song is probably my favorite. > > http://www.fenwayrecordings.com/cons/consonant.html has some nice > > downloads. > > Or you should just buy it! A great album - one of my favorites of the > year. Well, yes, you should buy it! But the page also has some live stuff and videos you can download that aren't on the album. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:42:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] will he ever SHUT UP??? On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > Not that I'm anything more than a lowly cog marginally employed, but, looking > back over the past year, it seems that the bulk of patriotism shown over the > WTC tragedy has been expressed by the working class. > > Along the same lines, I notice at Christmas that the old moneyed side of town > may have a tasteful minimalist tree with white lights showing in the window > or a wreath, but that's it, while trailer parks glow like uranium with lights In addition to Paul's comments, I'd note that your second comment illuminates your first. That is, I think working-class culture is (generally - which means there are numerous exceptions) more amenable to display, in ways that "sophisticated" people would find ostentatious. Thus, the "tasteful," subtle holiday displays mirror the less obvious displays of "patriotism" such as small flag decals rather than five 20-foot flags that cause massive wind-drag, reduce the vehicle's fuel efficiency by fifty percent, and funnel more profits into the oil cartels owned by the same Saudi class that produced the folks who planned & executed the Sept. 11 attacks. (Okay, that was going off in another direction entirely...) There's also a feedback loop: the more such display is identified as "working class" (and its absence as "sophisticated"), the more those who wish to so identify are likely to modify their own display accordingly. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::You think your country needs you, but you know it never will:: __Elvis Costello__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:49:40 -0400 From: Paul Seeman Subject: Re: [loud-fans] will he ever SHUT UP??? Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Thus, the "tasteful," subtle holiday displays mirror the less obvious > displays of "patriotism" such as small flag decals rather than five > 20-foot flags that cause massive wind-drag, reduce the vehicle's fuel > efficiency by fifty percent, and funnel more profits into the oil cartels > owned by the same Saudi class that produced the folks who planned & > executed the Sept. 11 attacks. These Saudi-supporting gestures being more than offset by the greater tendency of working-class folks to use public transportation and eschew SUVs in the first place.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:00:05 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] will he ever SHUT UP??? On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:49:40 -0400, Paul Seeman wrote: >These Saudi-supporting gestures being more than offset by the greater tendency of >working-class folks to use public transportation and eschew SUVs in the first >place.... Not to use stereotypes or anything :-) but that seems to be coming more from someone who is at Yale and less from someone living in a small working class southern town. 1. Public transportation?? 2. Who said SUVs? Those flags are on pickup trucks. and if anyone takes this post too seriously, I'm going to ignore you. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:12:45 -0400 From: "Francis J H Park" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] will he ever SHUT UP??? Some thoughts from a Green Polyester Industry representative: When I visited my parents in Richmond VA over a weekend late last year and observed the mass proliferation of magnetic US flags on peoples' cars, Maura got to hear me seethe "FLAGS!" all weekend long. I noted "where the hell were these flags a year ago?" I say this having grown up around a demographic which was (and looking back at the alumni newsletter of my old prep school, hasn't changed much) certainly upper-class. The bulk of my classmates looked askance at my decision to choose Army ROTC, rather than Navy. Some of the lamer reasons included "the Navy has better-looking uniforms." I think, looking back at my perspective on the four armed services, I probably would've been better served had I joined the Marine Corps instead. I prefer their institutional outlook far more so than the Army's. As it turns out, those flags are a little less prevalent around military bases - certainly those with very clearly defined combat unit identities like Fort Bragg's. You're much more likely to see unit stickers showing what units (or previous units, in some cases) the car's owner was/had been in. This trend is largely confined to combat (rather than combat support or administrative) units, and I'm not sure why, although I think I don't have a US flag sticker on my car. I was thinking about this driving home today - if there was a sticker that's really significant, it's the Department of Defense registration sticker with the blue tab on it that indicates that I potentially kill for a living. There's an ostentatious streak in some of the moneyed I see around x-moose, though; the wreathes I used to see liberally scattered all over Volvos, BMWs and Mercedes in Richmond in the winter were but one indicator. But I do agree with Mark on the "not-dressed-up" look that Lisa Birnbach wrote about some 21 years ago (and I still have my copy of 'The Official Preppy Handbook' somewhere in the house). As a troop commander, I got to see all sorts of backgrounds in my officers and soldiers. I think my personal favorite was one of my lieutenants, who had 6 tattoos inked into his chest and back. I was pleasantly pleased that one of my best platoon leaders and a West Point graduate at that, used to lounge around in a Dead Kennedys hat and listen to KMFDM in his offtime. Last time I talked to him he was thinking about going Special Forces. Gotta love it! My only significant 11 September activity: going to one hospital for my second daughter's post-op appointment that day and going to another hospital for my laser eye surgery pre-op. Somehow I want to try to avoid too much of the Glass Teat this week if I can get away from it. NS: Tommy Keene, Showtunes (and might I add, well worth every penny I spent on it!) Francis J. H. Park http://home.sprintmail.com/~durandal - -- "Ask for my honesty and you'll have my loyalty. Ask for my loyalty and you'll have my honesty." - COL(Ret) John R. Boyd, USAF (1927-1997) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:24:53 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] will he ever SHUT UP??? At 04:00 PM 9/10/2002 -0400, John Swartzentruber wrote: >On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:49:40 -0400, Paul Seeman wrote: > >>These Saudi-supporting gestures being more than offset by the greater >tendency of >>working-class folks to use public transportation and eschew SUVs in the first >>place.... > >Not to use stereotypes or anything :-) but that seems to be coming more >from someone who is at Yale and less from someone living in a small >working class southern town. > >1. Public transportation?? >2. Who said SUVs? Those flags are on pickup trucks. 'Zacktly. Score one for Paul on calling Mark on the "living at home" issue, but the "working-class folks...us[ing] public transportation and echew[ing] SUVs" is a world that's pretty much confined to big cities on either seaboard and Chicago. That's a lot of people, to be sure, maybe even a majority, but 80% of the geography of the U.S. is pretty much in a "get a car or you don't get anywhere" predicament. And yeah, those flags are on trucks, though some faculty/staff member who parks in front of St. Edwards' every weekday has a "Kill Osama" target poster on the back of his or her SUV. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:19:46 -0400 From: "Paul Seeman" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] will he ever SHUT UP??? > At 04:00 PM 9/10/2002 -0400, John Swartzentruber wrote: > >On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:49:40 -0400, Paul Seeman wrote: > > > >>These Saudi-supporting gestures being more than offset by > the greater >tendency of >>working-class folks to use > public transportation and eschew SUVs in the > first > >>place.... > > > >Not to use stereotypes or anything :-) but that seems to be > coming more >from someone who is at Yale and less from > someone living in a small >working class southern town. > > >1. Public transportation?? >2. Who said SUVs? Those flags > are on pickup trucks. > > 'Zacktly. Score one for Paul on calling Mark on the "living at home" > issue, but the "working-class folks...us[ing] public > transportation and > echew[ing] SUVs" is a world that's pretty much confined to > big cities on > either seaboard and Chicago. That's a lot of people, to be > sure, maybe > even a majority, but 80% of the geography of the U.S. is > pretty much in a > "get a car or you don't get anywhere" predicament. > > And yeah, those flags are on trucks, though some > faculty/staff member who > parks in front of St. Edwards' every weekday has a "Kill > Osama" target > poster on the back of his or her SUV. Oh, that was just a snarky little response (a complement, I hope) to what I took as a snarky little statement by Jeffrey. It struck me as a bit silly to extend the flag-on-the-car critique to include the suggestion that Bubba's unwittingly supporting Osama when the Jonses have been guilty of the same thing all along. I didn't think for a moment that Jeffrey was being dead-on serious (corrections welcome), and I was just extending what I took to be his joke. I'm from the Chicago area myself, and while during football season we Bears fans might pretend to think of Milwaukee as a small working class town, it's just as good a model as New Haven for the point I made. If anyone took my little aside too seriously, I...well, what the heck, I guess I just responded anyway. I'm glad you're ignoring this last bit, John, since it's not worth a follow-up, but since you mentioned it I've got to set one thing straight for the record. Seven years working in Iowa, two in Lubbock, two in small-town Minnesota, several stints in deep Appalachia. Now I work at Yale, on a grant-funded project; I hope for your sakes that you all make more money than I do, and that you receive health and retirement benefits. Signing off before I become the "he" in the subject line, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:26:05 -0400 From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] totally un-american (ns) This week's Gullbuy has a little mini-review of the Jesus and Mary Chain's Peel Sessions CD. I'm not writing to ask how it is, 'cause my interest in J&MC is pretty much nil at this point (even though I loved 'em at the time). What I'm wondering, though, is if anyone knows if their version of "Vegetable Man" has ever come out on CD? It was the b-side of Upside Down, and it's extremely great, but somehow it never seems to turn up. I have the vinyl, but damn it, it's annoying that they keep passing it over, even on the recent singles comp. Anyone ever seen it on a legit CD release? Grrrrr. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:25:30 -0400 From: "Chris Murtland" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] will he ever SHUT UP??? > from someone who is at Yalel Yale (three syllables) is what we do down here when we are angry. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:42:25 -0500 From: zkk46@ttacs.ttu.edu Subject: RE: [loud-fans] will he ever HUSH UP??? Quoting Paul Seeman : >Lubbock, two in small-town Minnesota, several stints in deep Appalachia. Now I work at Yale, on a grant- funded project; I hope for your sakes that you all make more money than I do, and that you receive health and retirement benefits. I think Lubbock might be the city with the highest per capita number of former loud-fans. There's what, like 4 or 5 of us that spent some time there? That's a 1/50k ratio. Not bad. Andrew np: INXS Listen Like Thieves ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:47:38 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] will he ever SHUT UP??? In a message dated 9/10/02 4:23:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, outdoorminer@mindspring.com writes: > Score one for Paul on calling Mark on the "living at home" > issue Moving out, and living in a crap trailer or something to "affirm my manhood" seems rather unattractive and silly to me. That sounds, forgive me, SO 21. I would rather keep the money I give the slum lord (noticing how rents are way out of proportion with Mcjob wages?) and buy the latest IVY CD (which is awesome...House of Love and Go-Betweens covers!) the OH-OK reissue...fabulous...(if only I had been born five years earlier, and hadn't been turned down for UGA because of ho-hum grades) but mine is skipping, and the US Pulp issue of "We Love Life." (Josie Cotton not released 'til next week). I've lived on my own before (in Charleston and Charlotte...working shit Mcjobs) and been so broke I didn't know how I was gonna have money for dinner, lest I sell some albums. I've been there, and until I am educated to the point where the world can kiss my chunky white butt (got turned down on the Athens GA teaching job I wanted because I didn't have Special Ed. certification...argh) I simply will let people think less of me, while I enjoy my entertainment (I pay for my food, car payment and insurance and clothes and other bills I have and what not, as well as do the family shopping, lawn and other things...I'm not a leech, people...plus my mom is old and needs my help) Why should I line the pockets of a slumlord so he can enjoy life? Screw that. No way, no day. Anyway...I know the world SHOULD revolve around me, but sadly, it does not. Time to watch my VHS copies of "Get a Life"...ta ta, - -Mark S. (just saw Royal Tannenbaums with a friend...great in that "Harold and Maude"/"World According to Garp" kind of way) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:28:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] will he ever SHUT UP??? On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Francis J H Park wrote: > As it turns out, those flags are a little less prevalent around military > bases - certainly those with very clearly defined combat unit identities > like Fort Bragg's. You're much more likely to see unit stickers showing > what units (or previous units, in some cases) the car's owner was/had been > in. This trend is largely confined to combat (rather than combat support or > administrative) units, and I'm not sure why, although I think [completing Francis's sentence:] it might be because such stickers indicate a hell of a lot more intense dedication than a fifty-cent flag. I may have frequent and serious doubts about the uses to which the military is put, but I have no question that the folks who risk combat duty should be respected for that decision. Oh, and Paul: yes, I was kind of going off on a humorous (?) tangent re the wind-dragging flags. And the difference between spotless Cadillac Upscalades and dirty, dinged-up Ford F-150s may be negligible in terms of fuel efficiency - but one of them is actually being used. The other one's just, uh, ostentatious display. Yes, I'm contradicting myself. Out damned hobgoblin, out! - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::American people like their politics like Pez - small, sweet, and ::coming out of a funny plastic head. __Dennis Miller__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:17:22 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] will he ever SHUT UP??? At Tuesday 9/10/2002 06:47 PM -0400, Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: >Moving out, and living in a crap trailer or something to "affirm my manhood" >seems rather unattractive and silly to me. That sounds, forgive me, SO 21. Mark is *so* right. Heck, I own a house, but what does it get me? I don't even have a girlfriend! I work 10-hour days like today at my upscale job for The Man to make enough money to keep myself in CDs and DVDs, but then I don't have time to listen/watch them! Yeah, I'd really like to have that Ivy covers CD, but when would I find the time to listen to it? Simplify... simplify... I'm sure my dad would be very happy if I moved back in with him. And I think the new Taco Bell by his house is hiring. Hmmmm... 17 again... hmmmm... Latre. --Rog HUMAN MILK FOR HUMAN BABIES!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:55:29 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] ...and speaking of whiners... http://www.salon.com/ent/music/int/2002/09/10/mann/index.html Hey, a Scott Miller reference in passing! A sad and much-too-soon farewell to Katrin Cartlidge, Andy Sept. 10, 2002 | BEVERLY HILLS, Cal. (AP) -- Detectives are investigating a complaint that retired astronaut Edwin ``Buzz'' Aldrin punched a man in the face after being asked to swear on a Bible that he'd been to the moon. Officers were called to the Luxe Hotel on Rodeo Drive Monday and took a report from Bart Sibrel, 37, who said the former Apollo 11 astronaut had attacked him. Aldrin, 72, had left the hotel when police arrived around 4:30 p.m. and was not interviewed, said Beverly Hills Police Lt. Joe Lombardi. Sibrel, of Nashville, Tenn., said he doesn't believe Aldrin or anyone else has ever walked on the moon. He said he was trying to confront Aldrin about his 1969 lunar mission when he was punched. Video of the punch aired Tuesday on ABC's "Good Morning America." An early morning telephone call left at the office of Aldrin's publicist was not immediately returned. [--from http://www.salon.com/people/wire/2002/09/10/aldrin/index.html ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:06:46 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] will he ever SHUT UP??? >These Saudi-supporting gestures being more than offset by the greater tendency of >working-class folks to use public transportation and eschew SUVs in the first >place... I wish I had an easier time believing that. Certain friends of mine like to go on and on about a certain strata of folks, whom we might characterize income-wise as lower-middle class or lower, who put all of their money into either huge vehicles, huge TV sets, or both. Of course, that's as much generalizing as anything else we've done here, and I'd welcome comments, Andy Scene 1. The border control stops the car. goddamn bugs shit crap a catch Slang, Idioms and Expressions. etc. ....the dick come on to throw back bucks a head [...] Scene 13. Back at 504 Battery Drive. precisely grouchy cranky trillion patents confiscated gadgets velcro liposuction primitive infectious practical joke observation endeavor surveillance Slang, Idioms and Expressions. etc. Pops I'm in next level shit beaming me up Cool. slick dick stay away from kinda' whoo funny as hell [--Letitia Bradley, from her "Vocabulary Notes" to "Teaching The Movie M.I.B. [Men In Black] to ESL Students, http://www.aitech.ac.jp/~iteslj/Lessons/Bradley-MIB/index.html ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:05:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] ...and speaking of whiners... On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Andrew Hamlin wrote: > Hey, a Scott Miller reference in passing! Indeed! Who is this Ted Leo anyway? According to escribe, he hasn't been discussed on list. For Something Completely Different: I just saw Gus Gus has a new one out, no longer on 4AD. Anyone heard it? - --Michael NP: Redd Blood Cells ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:23:14 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] ...and speaking of whiners... Michael Mitton wrote: > > Hey, a Scott Miller reference in passing! > Indeed! Who is this Ted Leo anyway? According to escribe, he hasn't > been discussed on list. I'm pretty sure he has, but escribe probably doesn't let you search for three-letter words like "Ted" and "Leo". Search for "Pharmacists" (the name of his band). Their TYRANNY OF DISTANCE album is quite good, with lots of built-in loud-fans appeal. One of Scott's favorite albums from last year if that makes a difference. I still don't know where Ted came from though. The album came out on Lookout Records from Berkeley, but he's from somewhere on the East Coast. He used to be in a band called Chisel. Does anyone know anything more about him? Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:35:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] ...and speaking of whiners... On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > I still don't know where Ted came from though. The album came out on > Lookout Records from Berkeley, but he's from somewhere on the East > Coast. He used to be in a band called Chisel. Does anyone know anything > more about him? I believe he's from Boston, or at least implanted himself here several years ago (though maybe not anymore? I don't know). His brother Danny was in Chisel with him and is now in a band called The Holy Childhood. Last I heard Ted was romantically and artistically entwined with Jodi from the Secret Stars. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:46:06 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] ...and speaking of whiners... On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > > > I still don't know where Ted came from though. The album came out on > > Lookout Records from Berkeley, but he's from somewhere on the East > > Coast. He used to be in a band called Chisel. Does anyone know anything > > more about him? > > I believe he's from Boston, or at least implanted himself here several > years ago (though maybe not anymore? I don't know). His brother Danny was > in Chisel with him and is now in a band called The Holy Childhood. Last I > heard Ted was romantically and artistically entwined with Jodi from the > Secret Stars. funny, i always thought he was a dc guy. he plays around here quite a lot, and his next record is gonna be REAL good, i bet. based on evidence acquired at shows. steer clear of his cd with alternating green & yellow rays, but "tyranny" is ace, and "treble" (very short, don't pay full price" shows promise). i'm proud (i think) to be the person who turned Scott on to him. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:15:47 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Re: I will NEVER shut up. In a message dated 9/10/02 8:18:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rwinston@tde.com writes: > Simplify... simplify... I'm sure my dad would be very happy if I moved back > in with him. And I think the new Taco Bell by his house is > hiring. Hmmmm... 17 again... hmmmm... > > Until I get to do EXACTLY what I want to do (and WHERE) which requires a little more post grad work, I'm quite happy with my little blue Suzuki swift and my pizza delivery job and the occasional sub job. I just went back to doing this work, and now I can grow my beard back (which is tres groovy...I loathe shaving). I like low stress, and driving around in my 42mpg indestructomobile (the reliablity records/low cost-per-mile on these cars is remarkable) getting tippage and listening to CDs is fine by me. I also like the freedom of driving around. Not exactly "Flying in My Taxi" but pretty good. I've done the full-time grind. I hated every minute of it, right down to the Rockports and tie. Now it's the old Chuck Taylors and nametag (in case I forget who I am). The second grade applauds (the sub...'cause he brought pizza!), - -Mark S. np: OH-OK "Do I really need this?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:20:05 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] will he ever SHUT UP??? In a message dated 9/10/02 8:18:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rwinston@tde.com writes: > Simplify... simplify... I forgot to say (since it's all about me) that you should do it. If it makes you happy, go for it. - -Mark S. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:34:55 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] the eagle's tear by my rifle rack Thanks for all the perspectives on the patriotism topic. I came super close to being a sociology or psychology major (but it didn't make my life okay, or my love handles go away). Why people do what they do is endlessly fascinating to me. - -Mark S. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #321 *******************************