From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #318 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Sunday, September 8 2002 Volume 02 : Number 318 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] movie opinions sought ["Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] Waydowntown [Boyof100lists@aol.com] [loud-fans] the Leaves [Boyof100lists@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Reign o' Rog [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] One for you White Stripes fans [Dana Paoli ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 08:33:59 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] movie opinions sought I know little >or nothing about the other three films, THE LAST KISS, THIRTEEN CONVERSATIONS >ABOUT ONE THING and JAN DARA. Anyone care to try to sell me on/warn me away from >any of them? Never heard of JAN DARA, but CONVERSATIONS is from the same sisters who did CLOCKWATCHERS (I didn't much care for that one, but some here did). Haven't seen LAST KISS, either, but here's Ebert's review: http://www.suntimes.com/ebert/ebert_reviews/2002/08/083002.html I know it's Saturday now, but so long as we've brought up LEGO movies, why not check out the asciimation masterwork (in progress): http://www.asciimation.co.nz/ And of course, that short about the short life and disgusting death of Jar Jar Binks is still up, Andy "Sorry, we're not interesting." - --one of the more intriguing refusals I get over the phone ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:41:28 +0100 From: "richblath" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] movie opinions sought - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Hamlin" > "Sorry, we're not interesting." > > --one of the more intriguing refusals I get over the phone Obviously someone who has done a great deal of navel gazing and has come to a rather self-deprecating view of their place in the world. Or maybe taking passive-agressive to another level! Richard np reviewing jazz on Garageband.com! Some kind of mental exercise for a Saturday afternoon. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 10:52:00 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] Reign o' Rog It looks like I can be the first at one of these for once: Happy birthday to list stalwart Rog Winston! Have a great natal day! later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:01:08 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Waydowntown I want to know about this movie. Is it on the level of brilliance of "Super Troopers"?? I know that would be hard (ah, innuendo fitting for that film) to accomplish, but it sounds like it would be good. - -Mark S. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:02:19 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] the Leaves I also want to know about this band. Good? - -Mark S. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 11:02:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Reign o' Rog On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > It looks like I can be the first at one of these for once: Happy birthday > to list stalwart Rog Winston! Have a great natal day! I can testify to that. Is a "stalwart" someone who prevents warts? It must be so - I haven't had one since I've met Rog. Roger, may you survive the ongoing series of Colorado apocalypses to celebrate more birthdays. (I think they're because of your band's name...) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:20:34 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Loveshop...and That '80s Show Another band I want to know about. Anyone? - -Mark S. p.s. I heard that "That '80s Show" failed. I don't watch TV much, but I saw it once. The only thing that makes sense to me as to why is that the '80s were much more fractionalized than the '70s or before. People's interests, especially musical, were much more highly specialized. Making references to the Smiths or pre "Green" R.E.M. (the episode I saw) isn't going to fly with most of the general public, like say, references to Clapton or Zeppelin on "That '70s Show." The music of 1970s counterculture was much more unified than of the following decade (if "countercultural" is the appropriate word for underground rock in the '80s...probably not). Hollywood does this in films of the past few years as well (and yeah, it gets up the area where the sun don't shine on me), assuming that the general public, who bought Poison records and not Scott's on Enigma, are going to wax all nostalgic over underground music in movies that they didn't listen to in the first place. "Oh honey, remember that English Beat song? Didn't we call that chubby blonde kid a fag in high school who listened to them? Ah, sweet, sweet memories...." - -Mark S. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 10:16:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: [loud-fans] Redd & White Stripes Did anyone get the whole R&WS set of MP3s? I'd like a copy. Please email me off-list. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:08:44 EDT From: OptionsR@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] One for you White Stripes fans I personally don't number myself among their fans, but even I thought this was a hoot. http://www.rathergood.com/punk_kittens/ It does raise the question - does making them play bad imitations of the Jon Spencer Blues Explosion and The Pixies count as "cruelty to animals"? Going to see "24 Hour Party People" today. What'd anyone else think of it? I've seen some of Steve Coogan's stand-up stuff before, and I think he's pretty funny. Don't shake me, Lucifer, Mike Bollman ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:14:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] One for you White Stripes fans On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 OptionsR@aol.com wrote: > Going to see "24 Hour Party People" today. What'd anyone else > think of it? I've seen some of Steve Coogan's stand-up stuff before, > and I think he's pretty funny. Depends entirely on which, if any, of the Manchester scenes you like(d). I'm more interested in Joy Division/New Order, so the early scenes were good and latter boring or worse, as the drug-addled Happy Mondays look more like shitheads and less like musicians. Coogan is very good throughout, and the movie does have some good laughs & great music. I'd be interested in seeing an episode or two of I'M ALAN PARTRIDGE, if such could be arranged for an NTSC guy like myself. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 15:26:54 -0700 From: Tom Marcinko Subject: [loud-fans] A list of things I'm enjoying A while back my wife asked me what I wanted for my birthday, and I replied by printing out the 125 Records Catalog and marking up a few choice items. What I got included: Tris McColl -- IF ONE OF THESE BOTTLES SHOULD HAPPEN TO FALL: JERSEY SONGS. I am inordinately fond of this record. It has some of the wiseass attitude of PURE POP FOR NOW PEOPLE, but I lived right next to New Jersey for a while (in Philadelphia) ("Philadelphia? That's in Jersey, right?" I was once asked in a work-related context) and I sense his pain is real. Scott-like song: "Janey Abstract." Anton Barbeau -- THE GOLDEN BOOT -- ANTONOLOGY VOL. 2. Just what we need, I thought: Another reedy-voiced guy who writes great hooks and lyrics. Well, yeah. I gather he's a favorite of many on this list, but he's pretty new to me. Garden Abstract -- BELLE DA GAMA. Too short but has some lovely Big Star-esque moments, esp. "The Three-Cornered World." I also like FROM RITUAL TO ROMANCE, 7 DEADLY SONGS by Regular Einstein, and MY BEST YESTERDAY by Jill Olson. While traveling I started to feel sorry for myself that I didn't have a Discman, so I bought one and got the following CDs to ruin my hearing while trying to listen to them above the airplane engine noise: Mission of Burma -- VS. Hmmm, I found myself thinking the beautiful noise of RITUAL reminds me of this beautiful noise. Eno -- TAKING TIGER MOUNTAIN (BY STRATEGY). A desert-island disc if I ever heard one. Magazine -- MAYBE IT'S RIGHT TO BE NERVOUS NOW (boxed set). A good place to start if you don't have anything by Magazine. Also: ShelleyDevoto -- BUZZKUNST. Well, I thought it sounded an awful lot like ... uh ... dance music. It kind of grew on me. I've missed Howard's snarl. "Till the Stars in His Eyes Are Dead" is about the only track that sounds to me like either Magazine or the Buzzcocks. Marti Jones -- MY TIDY DOILY DREAM. I found myself asking myself, "Geez, what's Marti Jones been up to lately?" I found this on amazon, but there was a link to http://efolkmusic.com, which also carries the CD of her first album, UNSOPHISTICATED TIME. An interesting pair of bookends -- DOILY is the reflections of a person approaching middle (i.e., my) age; TIME is full of a youthful try-anything spirit (and one of my favorite albums of the 80s) (they just don't make synthesized handclaps like that anymore). Which led me to ... Don Dixon -- THE INVISIBLE MAN. I'd always thought of him as a light but entertaining performer, but now that he is also approaching middle age, he's done an album that is really stark and gorgeous. Reminds me a bit of THE CRIMINAL UNDER MY OWN HAT, some of Randy Newman's more bracing moments, or Costello. He's outdone himself. OK, a pretty long post after years and years of silence. Out for now, Tom Marcinko - -- A man for his time, indeed. Once, and not so long ago, he would have fallen silent in embarrassment at his lack of knowledge; now it was the knowledgeable who had to mind their tongues. - --Iain Pears, THE DREAM OF SCIPIO, 2002 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 17:26:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] cute fluffy kittens! http://www.rathergood.com/kittens/ I think that counts as on-topic. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 17:02:21 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] One for you White Stripes fans At Saturday 9/7/2002 02:14 PM -0700, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: >Depends entirely on which, if any, of the Manchester scenes you like(d). >I'm more interested in Joy Division/New Order, so the early scenes were >good and latter boring or worse, as the drug-addled Happy Mondays look >more like shitheads and less like musicians. Coogan is very good >throughout, and the movie does have some good laughs & great music. I saw 24HR PP last night and I agree with Joe's assessment. Although I think the Happy Mondays stuff was necessary in order to show the downfall of the whole scene/system. I just wish they hadn't spent so much of the movie time on those louts. More New Order! I found it interesting that Howard Devoto had a cameo - haven't seen him in awhile. (I agree with Tom's assessment of the ShellyDevoto record - no great shakes.) I found the (possibly apocryphal) bit in the movie about Howard and Tony's wife interesting. I guess I always assumed Howard was gay, though his lyrics don't really seem to bear that out. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 20:38:37 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] A list of things I'm enjoying On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 15:26:54 -0700, Tom Marcinko wrote: >Eno -- TAKING TIGER MOUNTAIN (BY STRATEGY). A desert-island disc if >I ever heard one. When I first heard them (which would have been in the late 80's), a tape of the first two Eno records was the only thing in my car for over a month. I don't think there are any other recordings that I listened to as continuously without getting bored with them. Eventually I got a little bored with them, but agree that this is a prime desert-island disc. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 20:58:52 -0400 From: Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] cute fluffy kittens! I think you meant to show us the punk kitties: http://www.rathergood.com/punk_kittens/ -julianne PS did you see the toads? - -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey [mailto:jenor@csd.uwm.edu] Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 3:26 PM To: where they sleep better knowing stuff Subject: [loud-fans] cute fluffy kittens! http://www.rathergood.com/kittens/ I think that counts as on-topic. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 02:44:28 +0100 From: "Phil Gerrard" Subject: [loud-fans] 24 hour party pooper My tuppence worth is that the movie's the UK's answer to '54'... and I didn't recognise Manchester *at all* despite having been there at Uni from '88 to '91, pretty key years in the history of the Factory empire. However, there are compensations of sorts. Steve Coogan's impersonation of Tony Wilson is wickedly entertaining, even if it's really just a spinoff from a party piece he was doing as far back as a decade and a half ago. Joe, unfortunately I can't help out with NTSC versions of 'I'm Alan Partridge', although I do think it's the best thing Steve ever did. However, I believe the original radio series of 'On The Hour' and 'Knowing Me, Knowing You', wherein the Partridge character was first developed, are available on BBC CD and casette... be warned, however, that at the time Steve was still quite happy to write his material in the cab on the way to Broadcasting House, and both series suffer a bit as a result...! Oh yeah, and the version of the story I heard was that Devoto took a while to decide he was (kind of) hetero, whereas Shelley of course wasn't and isn't, which was one cause of the tension between the two at the time. Bless 'em both, though, it doesn't get much better than 'Ever Fallen In Love' and 'Shot By Both Sides'. Finally, one Simpsons moment from the last season we saw in the UK - 'The CLOWN is DOWN'. I have no idea why I find that as funny as I do... peace & love phil ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 22:42:35 -0400 From: Paul Seeman Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 24 hour party pooper > Joe, unfortunately I can't help out with NTSC versions of 'I'm Alan > Partridge', although I do think it's the best thing Steve ever did. I'm not sure about tapes, but a Zone 1 DVD was released in late 2001, then recalled because of "a problem with clearances" (music, mayhaps?) The BBC is planning a DVD release for next year. There's a new photo and press release, though, for the new series, I'm Still Alan Partridge: http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/partridge/life/new_pics.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 22:59:17 -0400 From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] One for you White Stripes fans I saw 24HR PP last night and I agree with Joe's assessment. Although I think the Happy Mondays stuff was necessary in order to show the downfall of the whole scene/system. I just wish they hadn't spent so much of the movie time on those louts. More New Order! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just a brief Happy Mondays related thing: the Happy Mondays were supposed to play at our spring festival when I was a Junior at Vassar, but a week or so before the day of the show, they demanded that the college supply them with hookers and ecstasy (I suppose that freshmen and ecstasy would have done in a pinch). Surprisingly enough, Vassar didn't want to do that, and a replacement band was needed on last-minute notice. Someone joked that we should get the Village People, but it subsequently turned out that they *were* available and didn't want any drugs at all to play. And so they did. I was too cool at the time to go to see the Village People, but Shari says it was the best show ever. Last night we rented 40 Days and 40 Nights, and it was even better than we'd expected. Highly recommended for the next time you're looking for a breezy, somewhat dirty-minded comedy that isn't especially stupid or ashamed of being dirty-minded. Nice soundtrack as well. Also, a good sex scene with no sex in it. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 23:34:44 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cute band alert! In a message dated 9/6/02 9:04:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jenor@csd.uwm.edu writes: > Thank you, Mark, for mentioning KoD regarding this album. I also hear bits > of the Blue Nile, if folks remember them, and perhaps some Echo & the > Bunnymen. Definitely an eighties sort of sound, but sans the cheesiness. > Very emotive, pretty good musical range of tempi, dynamics, etc. > > Thank you also for not mentioning that Manchester band with the dead > singer: I really only hear them in one track, yet every critic seems to be > falling into lockstep and mentioning said band. Weird. I mean, the singer > sings in a very different register, with much more emotion; the bass > playing is entirely different; I really hear very little similarity in the > guitars; and the production is far less dry than most JD (exceptions: > things like "Atmosphere"). Okay, some of the keyboards are similar, but > that's about it. > You know, it's odd. Joy Division never came to my mind. I can hear it now that you mentioned some critics heard it. Interpol's album has that Hugh Jones atmosphere to it that I loved on Modern English's "After the Snow," and Bunnymen records. I guess critics thought of how those bands were compared with JD and therefore, it's the associative property of mathematics/architectural dancing at work. Also, people have mistaken Martin Hannett's sound for Jones' too. And, if you have a deadline and it's time to go to lunch, and you don't feel like messing with a review any longer, well.... - -Mark Staples, wishing he had more Ben and Jerry's and looking for the hidden homersexual subtext on all three English Beat albums, but so far no luck. Wait, what does "Ackee 123" mean??? p.s. ever notice how EVERY picture of Thurston Moore back in the early nineties had him with a phone in his hand? Ripping off Scott on Lolita Nation, perhaps?? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 21:51:45 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cute fluffy kittens! At Saturday 9/7/2002 05:26 PM -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >http://www.rathergood.com/kittens/ > >I think that counts as on-topic. And may I point out that I pointed this out many months ago? http://www.escribe.com/music/loudfans/m27790.html Not that I actually want to take credit for it or anything. But I do have an ego the size of a planet and I haven't tasted graham crackers in years. Thanks for the bday wishes everyone! I drank a beer for each one of you. And ate some refried beans for Sparky (you know who you are). Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #318 *******************************