From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #311 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, September 3 2002 Volume 02 : Number 311 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Marr / Stoned again [] Re: [loud-fans] David Barnes' swap CD [Boyof100lists@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Road Trip Suggestions [Boyof100lists@aol.com] [loud-fans] Bumbershooters Report [Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com] [loud-fans] Bumbershoot report [michael@zwirn.com] Re: [loud-fans] Bumbershoot report [jenny grover ] [loud-fans] dammit! [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Bumbershoot report [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Self-promotion/deprecation ["glenn mcdonald" ] Re: [loud-fans] dammit! [Roger Winston ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:18:18 +0000 From: Subject: [loud-fans] Marr / Stoned again Johnny Marr's solo debut with his band the Healers is supposedly due in January 2003, but the release date has already been put back several times over the last couple of years, so I'm not sure whether we should be a-tremble with anticipation about this. On the basis of the gigs the band has played so far, this is a far more hard-rocking affair than Johnny's previous work. I've read reviews which suggest a Led Zeppelin influence, although Johnny himself is claiming T Rex, Santana, and Nirvana as influences for this project. The one live bootleg I've heard was not promising, I'm sorry to say, although the sound was so sludgy that it wasn't at all easy to tell what was going on. To be bitchy about it, it sounds as if Johnny's new material will be ideal for all those people who were disppointed that the Stone Roses never recorded a follow-up to 'Second Coming'... Miles wrote: >the Rolling Stones, LET IT BLEED, in newly remsastered form. >Still the goddamn best Stones album ever, IMO. Hell, even the >songs I sometimes forget about, like "Monkey Man" and "You >Got the Silver," are just on fire. It's noticeable that on recent tours, whenever the Stones have played relatively obscure album tracks to keep the hardcore fans happy, they've leant heavily on material from 'Let It Bleed': I've heard them play the two tracks mentioned above as well as 'Midnight Rambler' and 'Live With Me' - only 'Love in Vain' and 'Country Honk' haven't got an airing in a while, and it's easy enough to understand why the latter wouldn't appear on the set list. peace & love phil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:34:03 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] David Barnes' swap CD In a message dated 9/1/02 11:20:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, outdoorminer@mindspring.com writes: > I *like* Johnny Marr, but even the few occasions where I thought he might be > the godhead player and songwriter of legend (most of those occasions > involved > the riff of "How Soon Is Now?") were counterbalanced after 1988 by two > factors: > > (1) Stephen Street taking over the Marr role on VIVA HATE and the superb > string of singles afterwards (most of the songs are on BONA DRAG) and > making > music every bit as fine as Marr's, IMO. > > (2) Johnny Marr producing little of real interest afterwards. Kirsty > MacColl's KITE is probably the prize winner here, followed by what he did > for > Ferry's BETE NOIRE. And the Electronic albums are quite nice, but really > not > big arguments in his favor either... > > I agree with you, at 35, but, in 1988 when I was 20, 21, the deity status I placed on the mop top clouded my judgement. He's an excellent guitarist, no would would contest that. He just needs to settle in a band where his talents are showcased, and he needs to STAY IN THAT BAND. There was a time when I would buy anything Marr was associated with, like I would with Mitch Easter, but now I don't think I keep up with all Mitch does (I found out about Mercury Dime a few years back almost accidentally). Getting old and blah (heaven knows I'm miserable now), - -Mark S. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:49:27 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Road Trip Suggestions In a message dated 9/1/02 6:43:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, flamingo@theworld.com writes: > 2. Ample parking in a well-designed lot. Seriously, if the owners have > taken the time to make it easy for their customers to get in and out, they > also do things like clean the bathrooms, wash out the grease traps and > spray for bugs. Also, gravel lots are a better sign than paved, for some > reason. I don't know why. > > I agree with you on the gravel lots and the rest of your post (which was in incredibly accurate detail), but I've found in finding the perfect old America eatery, the bathrooms are almost always a nightmare, smelling like a condemned tenement in NYC, and unexplainably moist, and the parking lot is covered with cigarette butts, and high tar ones at that. - -Mark S. Historical Slumming: The act of visiting locations such as diners, smokestack industrial sites, rural villages--locations where time appears to have been frozen many years back--so as to experience relief when one returns back to "the present." (Doug Coupland, Generation X, 1991) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:30:02 -0400 From: Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com Subject: [loud-fans] Bumbershooters Report Hi Everyone, I had a marvelous time yesterday at Bumbershoot. It helps to have the company of fellow loud-fans Michael Mitton, Michael Zwirn and his girlfriend Susan. The road trip up was filled with music and we even passed the time doing a crossword puzzle together. Certainly a worthwhile use of any loud-fans free time. When Andy met up with us at the Emm Gryner show, we were all set to a day at Bumbershoot. Here are my brief comments about the music I heard yesterday: * Emm Gryner - She's amazing! * Jonatha Brooke - She was good. I'm sure she could have done better, given that her equipment was stolen in Portland the night before (shame on PDX!) and she's also admittedly spaced out due to the fact she's getting married next week. * Modest Mouse - I only heard the end of their set - it was good and I'd like to hear more * Sonic Youth - Big sound, big crowd. Not really my thing anymore, but the show was okay. In hindsight, I'd probably would have enjoyed Beachwood Sparks more * The Shins - the best part of this show was the band's amazement at the turnout * Buddy & Julie Miller - These folks were great, I wish I would have heard the entire show. * Kelly Willis - okay, I didn't get much out of this * Death Cab For Cutie Other Interesting sites and sounds and tastes: * Finding the least expensive parking lot, directly across from an ATM (on our first pass) * Emm Gryner being backed up by sea gulls * An eight month pregnant navel, bared to show an elaborate henna tattoo * A 10 foot long Swiss horn accompanied by an accordian * Andy instructing the Swiss horn blower * Michael M's newly discovered hula hoop talent * Chocolate dipped strawberries on a stick * The Shins playing to a packed Key Arena, asking for 'Biscuit' like agro waving, and getting it * The Shins getting the stadium to perform a wave (and taking photos of the crowd) * Kim Gordon's encouraging words to Mariah Carey * Hearing two version of Witchita Lineman within a two hour time frame By the way, thanks for the suggestions for Road Trips to all who responded. Happy to be home, -julianne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 15:37:23 -0700 (PDT) From: michael@zwirn.com Subject: [loud-fans] Bumbershoot report Bumbershoot report: Bumbershoot, wow. Quite a day. Given the sheer volume of entertainment options for Sunday alone, it's hard to envision having either the time or energy to partake all four days  but tempting nonetheless. Julianne and Michael met Susan and me at my house aroung 8:00 in the morning, and we hit the road to Seattle. Great drive, good music (Emm Gryner, Aimee Mann, etc.), and excellent navigatory skills that deposited us very close to Seattle Center without having to pay more than single-digit parking expenses. Andy called during our drive up and let us know that we could meet at Emm Gryner, which was encouraging. Entering the festival area was somewhat overwhelming, simply on the basis of scale. At that hour, around 11:00 or so, the crowd wasn't dense, but the vastness of the space (there was something like ten stages, plus innumerable food carts and vendors and street performers) was a bit daunting. We made our way toward the Court Stage, where Emm Gryner was the first act of the day. Andy met us there while Susan and I had an early bag lunch. The crowd for Emm's set was smallish at first but swelled throughout her performance, and everyone was greatly impressed. I'm always surprised that she always manages to do a few songs that I've never heard at each performance, and I see her quite regularly. This time she did a couple from PUBLIC that I had completely overlooked, and one new song about tornadoes which was great. Her audience, which included long-time fans and first-time listeners, was very appreciative. She set a high standard for the rest of the day. After Emm's set was over, and Michael and Andy got CDs and autographs, we headed to the misnamed Blues Stage and laid out a blanket to hear Jonatha Brooke. I liked The Story a lot, but I don't know her solo material as well. I thought it was all pretty good but nothing blew me away. It was enjoyable as background at least. Michael and Julianne and Andy went off to catch Modest Mouse and Sonic Youth, and Susan and I ended up going to the Comedy Stage. I had wanted to hear Sarah Silverman, so we endured a rather long wait, and a couple of tedious opening performers (admittedly, one act was pretty good) to hear her startlingly acerbic racial and ethnic humor. At least it wasn't crassly lewd like the opening acts', but it wasn't exactly family friendly. She is clever, I have to grant. Through the wondrous technology of text messaging, Susan and I were able to track down the others in the midst of a stunningly large crowd to see the Shins at Key Arena. Unfortunately, getting into the venue  which is connected to Seattle Center  required a half-mile hike around the building, because they wanted to control entry. But the Shins were blown away by the crowd, taking pictures of the audience and getting a wave going around the crowd. It is a bit surprising to think that Michael and I saw them in a club with a couple hundred people not long ago. I wouldn't have thought that their fractured power-pop would be so accessible to the masses, but there were thousands who seemed to disagree. After the Shins, we returned to the Blues Stage after a digression for Filipino and Tibetan food, and heard some great rockin' country tunes from Buddy and Julie Miller. They're definitely an act that can win over a crowd. We regrouped and rested a bit in the cooling evening air, and waited out a few very faint raindrops and were lucky not to deal with anything worse. Kelly Willis was the next act on the Blues Stage. I have a few of her records and like them all, but my principal complaint about her previous album, WHAT I DESERVE, seems not to have been heeded during her live set: Good songs that lack any variation in tempo. I liked a lot of it, just fine, but without any uptempo numbers the set seemed to stall out. There were some good slow dance songs. Michael and Julianne had gone off to see Death Cab for Cutie, but Susan and I stayed for some more of the Kelly Willis set before moving on. At the Teatro Circo stage, we saw some unbelievable circus performances from Circus Ballyhoo, including a hula hoop acrobat who was simply amazing, and some other performers. Then we wandered to catch the end of John Wesley Harding's set. Only saw a few minutes, but they were some pretty good minutes. We were still thinking about the Death Cab set, but it took so long to get into Key Arena that we bailed. After that we found one another, hiked out to the car, and embarked on the long drive back to Portland. We were home by 1:30. All things considered, a great if exhausting day. I can't imagine doing that schedule for four days in a row. Would have liked to see but didn't: Beachwood Sparks, Death Cab, more Buddy and Julie Miller, Kevn Kinney... Michael J. Zwirn, Environmental Policy Analyst http://www.zwirn.com michael@zwirn.com Home: 503/232-8919 Cell: 503/887-9800 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 22:29:29 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Bumbershoot report michael@zwirn.com wrote: > > Bumbershoot report: > Bumbershoot, wow. Quite a day. Given the sheer volume of entertainment options > for Sunday alone, it's hard to envision having either the time or energy to > partake all four days  but tempting nonetheless. > All things considered, a great if > exhausting day. I can't imagine doing that schedule for four days in a row. When I go with my friends, I and at least a couple others do the whole 4 days plus club shows at night. It's pretty much nothing but music, shopping, and grabbing a quick bite here and there from 11 am till 2 or 3 am nearly every day. It can wear you out if you are determined to see as many bands as I usually am, but it's well worth it, especially if you have few show opportunities throughout the year. It really seems odd to have not been there this year, and there were certainly a number of bands every day of the schedule that I would have wanted to see. *sigh* Hopefully things will work out for me to go next year. The way to do it smart is to stay in a hotel very close to Seattle Center and walk to and from the venues. You can crash in your room for a nap, change clothes, buy cheaper food and keep it in the fridge, etc. You don't even need a car, you can take buses, shuttles, and the monorail to do non-Bumbershoot stuff, and the Grayline runs to the airport. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 21:44:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] dammit! Okay, so how come no one e-mailed me in advance to remind me that, since I missed the first 6 episodes of _24_, I'd be interested in FX's _24_ marathon which started...last night? Oh - maybe because I never mentioned that? Oh well - I see the DVD of the series is to be released 9/17. Of course, we still don't have a DVD player - - needing a new furnace kinda threw the nix on that. Okay, so: does anyone know if the marathon's going to be rerun? Let me know this time! ;) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::beliefs are ideas going bald:: __Francis Picabia__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 21:53:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Bumbershoot report On Mon, 2 Sep 2002 michael@zwirn.com wrote: raindrops and were lucky not to deal with anything worse. Kelly Willis was the > next act on the Blues Stage. I have a few of her records and like them all, but > my principal complaint about her previous album, WHAT I DESERVE, seems not to > have been heeded during her live set: Good songs that lack any variation in > tempo. I liked a lot of it, just fine, but without any uptempo numbers the set > seemed to stall out. There were some good slow dance songs. Not sure what the deal is here - but what is it with these folks in their late thirties/early forties (raises hand) who seem incapable anymore of writing the occasional quicker song? Even one can marvelously liven up an album (although a few more might be needed at a show - so that's why God invented the cover song). On a (very) tangentially related note, I've decided that what the world really needs is for a bunch of punk bands to have done covers of progressive rock tunes. On the off-chance that this has, in fact, already occurred, if you're aware of any send me the titles. Hell, share 'em with the list. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, trying to imagine the early Husker Du's 44-second version of "Dark Star"...(okay, not really prog - but you get the idea) J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::You think your country needs you, but you know it never will:: __Elvis Costello__ lp: J.C. _Deathbed Recollections_ (for fans of slightly off-center acid chamber-pop a la a subdued John Southworth, a Leonard Cohen-loving Momus, or the latter Epic Soundtracks records... lr: China Mieville _Perdido Street Station_: I'm pretty sure dmw recommended this one, over on the RH list - if so, you're two for two on book recommendations (_The Intuitionist_ being the other one). But his editor should have stifled Mieville's having fallen in love with the word "judder" every fifth page... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 00:21:33 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] mooning Michael Jackson Anyone have the latest Pulp record? What do you think? - -Mark S. "Rent a flat above a shop, cut your hair and get a job. Smoke some fags and play some pool, pretend you never went to school. But still you'll never get it right 'cos when you're laid in bed at night watching roaches climb the wall If you call your Dad he could stop it all" (Pulp, "Common People") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 00:40:04 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Huh. > I'm serious. I have fond memories of this song reaching back as far as > hearing my sister play the 45 on her Dansette (another look in the book > shows that it reached its chart peak on June 14, 1969, 16 days before I was > born) and it's always been one of my favorite pure-pop singles of its era. > And it's somehow taken me until JUST ABOUT FIFTEEN MINUTES AGO to realize > that the lead singer isn't a woman! It took me until this year to realize that the lead singer of the We Five's "You Were on My Mind" isn't a man. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 01:00:36 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: [loud-fans] Self-promotion/deprecation I did a new song today. It kind of sounds like inept early-OMD, but conceivably there are people on this list for whom that's not necessarily unbearable. If you are among them: http://www.furia.com/songs/WhenYouLeftWithTheOcean.html glenn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 23:36:45 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] mooning Michael Jackson At Tuesday 9/3/2002 12:21 AM -0400, Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: >Anyone have the latest Pulp record? What do you think? I've had WE LOVE LIFE for months, having bought the import from amazon.co.uk. Yet I've only listened to it twice. I did like it better on the 2nd listen than on the 1st, so maybe it's a grower. One impression I had was "too much talking, not enough singing". Is the import different from the domestic version? I guess we have to wait until Miles chimes in, since I seem to remember debating THIS IS HARDCORE with him, though I'm not totally sure which side I took. I think I didn't like it much though. Is that vague enough? Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 23:42:13 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] dammit! At Monday 9/2/2002 09:44 PM -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Okay, so how come no one e-mailed me in advance to remind me that, since I >missed the first 6 episodes of _24_, I'd be interested in FX's _24_ >marathon which started...last night? Maybe you should join a TV List, like I did. Or get Tivo! >Oh - maybe because I never mentioned that? Oh well - I see the DVD of the >series is to be released 9/17. Of course, we still don't have a DVD player >- needing a new furnace kinda threw the nix on that. Sheesh Jeff, just buy the damn DVD player anyway. They cost like...what...$50? at CostCo these days. Heck, I'll send you one of my old ones if you pay for shipping. I gave one to my dad and he's never used it, so I feel entitled to demand it back. >Okay, so: does anyone know if the marathon's going to be rerun? Let me >know this time! ;) Haven't heard of the marathon being rerun, but if I do, I'll be sure to mention it the hour before. Keep your PC turned on and automatically checking e-mail! Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #311 *******************************