From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #308 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, August 31 2002 Volume 02 : Number 308 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [loud-fans] not my favorite "Lost in Space" tune ["John Swartzentrube] [loud-fans] Tommy Keene redux ["Larry Tucker" ] [loud-fans] TMBG? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Road Trip Suggestions [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] TMBG? [JRT456@aol.com] [loud-fans] Aimee, Inescapable ["Miles Goosens"] Re: [loud-fans] Road Trip Suggestions [Stewart Mason ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:15:37 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] not my favorite "Lost in Space" tune On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:44:49 -0500 (CDT), Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Not in Courier New. Uh-and-uh anyhoo, "350F" in reference to cooking >pretty much conveys that the thingy is temperature - no degree sign >necessary. But if we all used Kelvins, it would take care of the problem completely. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:32:41 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] Tommy Keene redux Good current interview. http://earcandy_mag.tripod.com/tommykeene.htm - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:48:07 GMT From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] more BS (ns) It's a rerun, but Belle and Sebastian are on Conan tonight, and since I missed it last time, it's news. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:27:49 -0500 From: zkk46@ttacs.ttu.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Road Trip Suggestions Quoting Janet Ingraham Dwyer : > 14. Don't think about #13 after you complete it. Have fun; road trips are special. > other suggestions: Try to visit as many of the goofy touristy attraction places that you pass that show up on the map as time allows, like Billy the Kid's grave, or the haunted indian burial grounds. They give you personalized stories to tell about the trip, and you can sometimes see some pretty cool stuff too. The old tour guide people always know of the good restaurants too, and most aren't worth more than 30 mins to an hour, so they make good strech breaks. For a sentimental gift for a child/parent, take little vials and fill them up with dirt from the stops along the way, like white sands from New Mexico, beach sand from LA, dirt from the Grand Canyon, Rocky Mountain snow if you've got a watertight vial, etc. If you can get enough different colors, it makes a pretty piece of artwork. Attach labels so you remember where they were from and a cute note about travels in life and there you go. Make a mix cd with songs associated with driving, like Born to Be Wild, On the Road Again, etc. On a long, dull strech of road, pop it in, and everyone will laugh and start to sing along. I wish ovens went up to 3500 degrees. It is bs that a potato takes an hour to bake. We could all make our own steel too, which could be fun. Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:40:33 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Road Trip Suggestions On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Stewart Mason wrote: > stick it in there, honey" from the next room all night. If a particular > motel seems to have bad juju, bag it and drive on to the next -- we learned while it may not be for everybody, disregarding this advice provided one of the most colorful & interesting experiences of my ill-advised cross-country jaunt -- i will never forget seeing the manager of the motel come waddling across the parking lot, wearing the most absurd hat i've ever seen on a man, and carrying a roll of duct tape which he used to re-attach the window to the frame, after his brother had finished rifling our room. and don't forget punch bug ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:28:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] TMBG? Anyone here heard the new TMBG "kids" album? Thoughts? (Would we adults like it too? I'm guessing, given the suitability of TMBG to do a kids' album such that I'm wondering, "what took them so long?" - that the answer is "yes" - curiously, the opposite of the album's title.) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:39:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Road Trip Suggestions On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Stewart Mason wrote: > At 09:06 PM 8/29/2002 -0400, Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com wrote: > >Even though Seattle isn't *that* far away, preparing for this drive got me > >thinking about what determines a successful roadtrip. A road trip can be > >either an excellent adventure or hours of uncomfortable torture. Of course > >choice of music plays a key role in determining how enjoyable a road trip > >is. What else contributes? > > Both good maps and the choice not to use them. This is particularly useful if your ideas re geography in alien parts of the country are a bit sketchy - if you didn't *think* you were supposed to be approaching Pittsburgh on this route, a map would tell you whether you're right or wrong... Oh - and if you're right about having been wrong, try not to let it ruin your day, that of your passengers, and of the driver of the cars you pissily cut off as you try to make up for lost time (i.e., don't). Maps are particularly > essential on meandering drives where one is trying to avoid interstates, > whether for reasons of construction, scenery, or boredom, but as my > father-in-law is fond of saying, there's more than one road to Mecca. This suggests another rule for road trips proper (as opposed to long drives with a time limit): diverge, diverge, diverge. And allow way more time than you think you need, even after taking that principle into account. > Key points: > > 1. As Janet mentioned, the scan button is your friend. Not only is there > usually at least a half-decent oldies station, you can get comical > juxtapositions and also stumble on oddities like an AM station in Oklahoma > that was broadcasting a show hosted by Stan Freberg of old radio comedies > and dramas. Of course, you may be in a car with people who are annoyed by channel-surfing - in which case, make sure that your vehicle has a CD player and/or tape player, and lots of the appropriate medium (much more than you'll have time to listen to). I find cars to be one of the best places to listen to music: there's enough else going on to take up the remainder of your attention, but the rest can be focused on the music. Good place to get to know new music. Mixes are good for trips too - more variety. > 2. Especially if you're driving through an unfamiliar part of the country, > don't just eat at Burger King all the damn time. Regional cuisines are > good things, and with a little practice, you can tell from a glance whether > a restaurant is going to serve a good meal or not. Scope out the local > supermarkets and convenience stores for the same reason. See the bit about "more time": if, however, you're on a schedule, your choices are a bit more limited. Also: if you or a passenger is vegetarian, there are (I believe) books and such put together by traveling vegetarians listing good places to eat. I would imagine that such a book, if not outdated, would be invaluable - so vegies aren't always having to ask for a Quarter Pounder sans meat... > 6. You know, sometimes you're gonna take Exit 67A when you meant to take > Exit 67B, or 91 East when you meant to take 91 West. That's why there's a > reverse gear Please note that that gear should not be used on the exit ramp itself, or on a highway. Even if people in Indiana do it all the time. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Once he forgot what city he was in and saw an honor guard of four ::men marching toward him on the sidewalk, going from their guard duty ::to their barracks, and they carried rifles with fixed bayonets and ::wore embroidered tunics, pleated skirts and pompom slippers and he ::knew he wasn't in Milwaukee. --Don DeLillo, _Mao II_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:43:44 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] TMBG? On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:28:43 -0500 (CDT), Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Anyone here heard the new TMBG "kids" album? Thoughts? (Would we adults >like it too? I'm guessing, given the suitability of TMBG to do a kids' >album such that I'm wondering, "what took them so long?" - that the answer >is "yes" - curiously, the opposite of the album's title.) I was just going to ask others for their opinions. My almost three year old loves it. So do his parents. Granted, it does start getting on my nerves after the same song is played 50 times in one evening, but that is also true for the Jackson 5. You've probably heard some of the songs before (Edison Museum, I Am Not Your Broom). As you can imagine, there are a few that will stick in your head. The disc also has silly games to play on your computer. Some samples are at www.giantkid.net. In short: It is TMBG. It isn't really like they changed anything to do this album; they just kept the lyrical content appropriate for the kids. It's silly. It's catchy. It's fun. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:48:56 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] TMBG? The title track is the best song on the kiddie album, and it's also included on the upcoming 2-CD career overview from Rhino. Since kids would probably like most of the songs on the compilation, it's probably a better investment for the whole family. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:50:08 -0400 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: [loud-fans] Aimee, Inescapable My favorite ESPN.com columnist, Rob Neyer (who was Bill James' research assistant in the late '80s and early '90s), did a chat session today after baseball owners and players came to an agreement. Here's a question and answer: Jim (San Diego): One on your cohorts said if there was a strike you'd be walking around in your bathrobe, unshaven, with Alice in Chains playing in the background. So what would really be playing? Rob Neyer: The new Aimee Mann disc, probably. And not to get literal or anything, but I don't own a bathrobe. So there ya go. Aimee's even on ESPN -- albeit referenced on the web, not played on TV. FWIW, I hadn't been paying attention enough to order the new one with bonus disc from her "official" ArtistDirect store, but when I walked into Tower today, searching in vain for CDs of Husker Du's NEW DAY RISING and FLIP YOUR WIG and the Minutemen's 3-WAY TIE (FOR LAST), what should I see but dozens of Ms. Mann's latest with the bonus CD rubber-banded to 'em. So I picked one up. I'm sure Aimee would call me a dupe or something, but I got her a Soundscan sale and got my bonus disc, so I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. BTW, if any of y'all can cruise into a store tonight and buy all three of the aforementioned SST CDs for me, I'll Paypal ya the money + postage straightaway. But if you read this on Saturday, don't attempt it, 'cos I'll order them from somewhere by then... later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:23:52 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] WHAT? earplugs? I remember some discussion, probably years ago now, about some high quality earplugs that did a good job of protection yet allowing you to hear the music undistorted. I'm going to be working a a 4 night 6 hours per stint listening to a lot of music and I know I'm gonna need something good. All I can remember was they came in colors and seemed they were priced around $20. These weren't your typical industrial means of ear protection. Doug, wasn't that you that had mentioned them? Thanks people. - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:30:33 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Road Trip Suggestions > Try to visit as many of the goofy touristy >attraction places that you pass that show up on the map >as time allows, like Billy the Kid's grave, or the >haunted indian burial grounds. Indeed, indeed--no road trip plan is complete without: www.roadsideamerica.com Let's see...even on a seemingly simple shot up I-5 ("the 5" to you California citizens), Julianne's got a fair number of choices. The Oregon Vortex, which I visited with the JDC in 1997, is too far in the wrong direction. Living near Portland, she probably already knows the Rose City's Church of Elvis, B-17 Bomber Flower Shop (formerly Gas Station), and the statues of Paul Bunyan and He-Man. The giant Harvey rabbit near Aloha could be worth a side trip, though. The Dinosaur Gardens near Port Orford are probably too far, but man, I'm craving a look at those, now... And of course, should she find herself becoming a little sleepy outside of Seattle, there's always the World Famous Bob's Java Jive in Tacoma... Billy the Kid's buried down around Stewart's old neck of the woods, though, Andy "I'm thinkin', I already got Cole Porter in my collection. I don't need the indie-rock Cole Porter." - --Chris Martin on Stephin Merritt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:44:27 -0500 From: Bill Silvers Subject: Re: [loud-fans] WHAT? earplugs? Larry Tucker asked: >I remember some discussion, probably years ago now, about some high >quality earplugs that did a good job of protection yet allowing you to >hear the music undistorted. I'm going to be working a a 4 night 6 hours >per stint listening to a lot of music and I know I'm gonna need something >good. All I can remember was they came in colors and seemed they were >priced around $20. These weren't your typical industrial means of ear >protection. Doug, wasn't that you that had mentioned them? I either wasn't around for that discussion or don't remember it, but I've had it/heard it on another music list and as a result ended up picking up a pair of earplugs from: http://www.etymotic.com I am not as good about remembering them (the $10 ER-20 model) as I should be, but did bring them to my most recent show (Superdrag, who were playing the main local rock club) and was both pleased with the sound of the show and the fact that my mild tinnitus (from going to see too many bands without protection, undoubtedly) wasn't full-on raging afterwards. BTW Superdrag's new one, LAST CALL FOR VITRIOL, while not what I think of as a likely loud-list favorite, will likely be a top-ten of 2002 record for me. Superdrag are an excellent live act- nearly as reliably great as The Figgs, whose new record SLOW CHARM is another very good one. b.s. n.p. Royals 4, Mariners 1 top 6th- what a relief it is to be able to write that ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:57:57 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Road Trip Suggestions At 08:30 PM 8/30/2002 -0700, Andrew Hamlin wrote: >Billy the Kid's buried down around Stewart's old neck of the woods, though, Just outside of Fort Sumner, NM on US 60, in fact. I've driven through Fort Sumner (which is about 75 miles from Portales on the road to Albuquerque) quite literally hundreds of times, but I only went to Billy's grave once. It's not nearly as tacky as it should be. However, the Billy the Kid musical at the natural amphitheatre in San Jon (summer weekends) is unconscious kitsch of the highest order, and recommended if you happen to be in the area. Although god knows why you would be -- San Jon is in the middle of freakin' nowhere even by eastern New Mexico standards. Other important attractions in the area: William Hanna (of Hanna-Barbera fame) was born in Melrose, about halfway between Clovis and Fort Sumner and otherwise best known as the place where you can take a shortcut that shaves about 20 miles off the trip to Portales, and The Big Scary Truck Stop in Santa Rosa is a must-visit, although it's not nearly as skanky as it used to be when it first became the traditional First Pee Break on runs to Aluquerque. Stewart NP: "The Littlest Birds" -- Be Good Tanyas ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 00:54:00 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: [loud-fans] "It needs more surge!" Hmm... http://www.prosoundweb.com/recording/mm/week5/mm_3.php Does this remind anyone else of the (apocryphal?) story about Murry Wilson being set in front of an unplugged mixing console during early Beach Boys sessions? More fuel for the is-this-real-or-isn't-it fire... - -- Dave Walker freeform radio and live, nude fish at: http://www.freeke.org/ffg ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #308 *******************************