From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #307 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, August 30 2002 Volume 02 : Number 307 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] How much to book a band for college [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] mixerman [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] mixerman [Roger Winston ] RE: [loud-fans] mixerman ["Larry Tucker" ] Re: [loud-fans] mixerman [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] mixerman ["Roger Winston" ] [loud-fans] favorite "Lost in Space" tune [Boyof100lists@aol.com] Re:[loud-fans] favorite "Lost in Space" tune [dana-boy@juno.com] [loud-fans] Sapporo Ichiban Kitsune (ns) [dana-boy@juno.com] RE: [loud-fans] favorite "Lost in Space" tune ["Larry Tucker" ] RE: [loud-fans] not my favorite "Lost in Space" tune ["moxie" ] Re: [loud-fans] giveaway (fwd) [Dana Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] Yankee Hotel Foxtrot [Michael Mitton ] Re: [loud-fans] More on Crash [jenny grover ] RE: [loud-fans] Yankee Hotel Foxtrot [Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com] Re: [loud-fans] not my favorite "Lost in Space" tune [Cyndy Patrick Subject: Re: [loud-fans] How much to book a band for college On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > > * Dar Williams can be booked for $10,000 > > Dar played a bar in town the other month (I had to work at my Mcjob and > missed it, unfortunately) but I really don't see how she could have cleared > 10 grand. I would say that maybe the owner broke even if this is the case, > at 15 dollars a pop, but the venue won't hold that many people. It is just a > converted auto body repair shop. I would assume that this means that Dar > would charge the owner this amount beforehand? i bet $10k is an opening negotiating price. dar may also come in more and less expensive configuration; doesn't she often play with a band nowadays? the prices may seem ludicrous (and honestly, i think some of them are) but when you consider that the fee covers the time and travel costs of not only the primary performer but also other musicians, roadies, instrument techs. sound engineers etc., they may seem less astronomical. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 09:35:57 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] mixerman On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, dmw wrote: > > > this has gotta be a hoax, doesn't it? > > > > if it's not, how does this guy think he's ever going to get a gig > > recording anything ever again? > > I just hope Sharples' recording project is proceeding more smoothly... what made me start thinking hoax was that while i've never been at a major label recording session, and while i haven't been to all that many pro recording sessions at all, there is nothing in mixmerman's alleged saga that i couldn't make up; and nothing (with one exception) that is at all surprising for a parody of a recording session gone awry -- performance problems, label politics, band policits, encroachment by drugs and inappropriate visitors -- i've seen (and been!) most of those, at a lower level, in my own limited experience. he's dropped the name of one expensive mic (C12) and one piece of software (RADAR) and nattered on about guitar amps -- i could do that. the exception, and what i find staggeringly unrealistic, is the film crew. real film crews are every bit as precious about their gear as audio engineers about theirs; the description mixerman gives doesn't ring true at all. and the scene at the sushi bar with the producer, the record prez, and mixmerman sounds like purest fantasy. "no budget! take a year if you need it!" riiiiight. like anybody is going to say that in the 2002 econcomy. [oh yeah -- the other thing -- the band is "a bunch of total nobodies" but he's "worked with" at least two of them before. what's up with that?] i call bullshit. i could be wrong, but i'm not, no i'm not. - -- victor m'blug ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 07:54:18 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] mixerman At Thursday 8/29/2002 09:35 AM -0400, dmw wrote: >i call bullshit. > >i could be wrong, but i'm not, no i'm not. Didn't Tim W say in an earlier thread that he knows who Mixerman really is? That would imply the story is true... Tim? Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:03:41 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] mixerman |-----Original Message----- |From: Roger Winston [mailto:rwinston@tde.com] |Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:54 AM |To: Cxiuj via bazo apartenas ni |Subject: Re: [loud-fans] mixerman | | |At Thursday 8/29/2002 09:35 AM -0400, dmw wrote: | |>i call bullshit. |> |>i could be wrong, but i'm not, no i'm not. | |Didn't Tim W say in an earlier thread that he knows who |Mixerman really |is? That would imply the story is true... | |Tim? Everything goes so perfectly awry it just makes me think that either there is a bit of exageration going on or that this is a fabrication based on a combination of actual recording stories. What ever it is, it's been a hilarious read. I've been alternating between reading the diary and Tim Dorsey's "Florida Road Kill".... now we're talking seriously crazy! - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:10:32 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] mixerman On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Roger Winston wrote: > Didn't Tim W say in an earlier thread that he knows who Mixerman really > is? That would imply the story is true... not necessarily -- could be a real guy making stuff up, or embellishing heavily. okay, the other thing is -- how much of an idiot is this guy? -- because if any actual session details are true, and he is describing a real session, each one increases the odds that more people are going to know EXACTLY what session he's describing, and that word is going to get back to the people he's working with (unless it's a joke they're all in on). how many studios are booked with month+ major label lockouts at any one time in LA? how many of them have film crews taping tracking session (well, maybe that's gone up in the wake of _american idol_/_popstars_ and with everyone thinking about _behind the music_ 5 years later) but so, you figure out who the guy is, large needle, smallish haystack, not impossible. now: he's shown egregious contempt for EVERY SINGLE person he's worked with, with the possible exception of the prez. he knows the session is badly off the rails, but not only has he not called anyone's attention to it and attempted to address and deal with the problems -- he's ACTIVELY CONTRIBUTED to the chaos. moreover, some of his active contribution has been in the form of setting other folks up to attack each other -- a craven political move. would YOU hire this guy? who would? he can't possibly be a good enough engineer to justify his behaviour; it's not like good engineers are in such incredibly short supply. [oh yeah -- he goes from [i think maybe some pee splattered on his jacket, i'm not sure] to a [stain visible from 40ft] away?] - -- victor m'blug ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:50:50 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] mixerman dmw on 8/29/2002 4:10:32 AM wrote: > not necessarily -- could be a real guy making stuff up, or embellishing > heavily. Point taken, but I thought Tim was also implying it was true. Embellishment is a definite possibility. I've only read the first week and a half or so thus far, and I find it (as Larry said) at least amusing. As Alan Moore (?) said "All stories are true". What makes me wonder is how does this guy find the time to write up all this stuff? And in such great detail? Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:56:13 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] favorite "Lost in Space" tune The chorus of "Nightmare Girl" keeps going through my head from the new release(s). I like the paradox of somewhat shiny/happy (for Aimee) pop with the bleak lyrics...sort of a flip of the coin on the Mary Chain's "Psychocandy" lp with the apocalyptic feedback with pretty vocals. Your favorite? Like Jimmy Hoffa jokes, - -Mark Staples ***A word of warning: Upon making Kraft mac and cheese for lunch today, I added an extra cheese packet from another box, thinking it would be REALLY uber cheesy. It did turn an attractive, Cheetos color, but tasted bloody awful. Leave it to me to take cheesiness too far... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:20:04 GMT From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re:[loud-fans] favorite "Lost in Space" tune ***A word of warning: Upon making Kraft mac and cheese for lunch today, I added an extra cheese packet from another box, thinking it would be REALLY uber cheesy. It did turn an attractive, Cheetos color, but tasted bloody awful. Leave it to me to take cheesiness too far... >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark, I think you can do better than Kraft mac and cheese. Have you considered at least switching to Annie's? It's a start, and you get that cute little rabbit of approval, unless she's stopped doing that. - --dana, who has Nong Shim when he's eating starch for lunch. Spicy seafood flavor. Either that or that blue packaged ramen that comes with a piece of dehydrated tofu that tastes like heaven (and probably contains about a quart of palm oil). ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:29:34 GMT From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] Sapporo Ichiban Kitsune (ns) Coincidentally, that's also the name of glenn's favorite new band :) That's the name of the good one. This page has a review and a link to a photo of the package. I can not overstress how good the little piece of tofu is!! http://daveola.com/Pages/Ramen/Reviews.html - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:58:13 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] favorite "Lost in Space" tune |-----Original Message----- |From: dana-boy@juno.com [mailto:dana-boy@juno.com] |Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:20 PM |To: loud-fans@smoe.org |Subject: Re:[loud-fans] favorite "Lost in Space" tune | | |***A word of warning: Upon making Kraft mac and cheese for |lunch today, I added an extra cheese packet from another box, |thinking it would be REALLY uber cheesy. It did turn an |attractive, Cheetos color, but tasted bloody awful. Leave it |to me to take cheesiness too far... |>>>>>>>>>>>>> | |Mark, I think you can do better than Kraft mac and cheese. |Have you considered at least switching to Annie's? It's a |start, and you get that cute little rabbit of approval, unless |she's stopped doing that. And Annie's Alfredo box of mac cheese to my tastebuds are one of the better ones if you must eat something like this. - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:03:02 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: RE: [loud-fans] not my favorite "Lost in Space" tune On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Larry Tucker wrote: > |Mark, I think you can do better than Kraft mac and cheese. > |Have you considered at least switching to Annie's? It's a > > And Annie's Alfredo box of mac cheese to my tastebuds are one of the > better ones if you must eat something like this. mild mexican! mild mexican! mild mexican! mild mexican! (i cannot overstress how "my superior" to kraft this is) - -- d. np great plains _length of growth_ ps anybody know a us vendor who has the conet project cd set in stock? i tried google, forced expsoure, other music, ebay, etc. are there any good "outside" music resources online that i don't know about? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:44:12 -0400 From: "moxie" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] not my favorite "Lost in Space" tune I'm fortunate to be living with one of the world's acknowledged mac-n- cheese experts (a three-year-old; okay, three this coming Sunday), and can share the Truth that these gentlemen are absolutely right. Annie's IS macaroni and cheese, and well worth the extra $$$ over the other brand. Benjamin prefers Shells and Real Aged Wisconsin Cheddar, and Bunny Shape with Yummy Cheese. Trader Joe's mac-n-cheese is also acceptable. But really, if you have a burner, an oven, and an hour, do it the right way: Baked Macaroni and Cheese from The African-American Heritage Cookbook (Birch Lane Press) 1 1/2 cups elbow macaroni 2 tablespoons butter 2 tablespoons all-purpose flour 1/4 cup milk 1 cup light cream 1/4 teaspoon paprika 1/2 teaspoon white pepper 2 1/2 cups grated sharp cheese salt Preheat oven to 3500F. Boil macaroni according to package directions; drain and set aside. Meanwhile, melt butter in a medium saucepan over low heat. Blend in flour, stirring constantly. Gradually stir in milk and cream. Cook, stirring constantly, until mixture boils and thickens, about 2 to 3 minutes. Remove from heat and add paprika, pepper, and 2 cups of the cheese; stir until cheese is melted. Gently stir in macaroni and salt to taste. Place in a buttered 1-quart casserole dish. Garnish top with remaining 1/2 cup of cheese and dot with additional butter. Bake 25 to 30 minutes. Serves 4 to 6. Or 3 in my home, janet > On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Larry Tucker wrote: > > > |Mark, I think you can do better than Kraft mac and cheese. > > |Have you considered at least switching to Annie's? It's a > > > > And Annie's Alfredo box of mac cheese to my tastebuds are one of the > > better ones if you must eat something like this. > > mild mexican! mild mexican! mild mexican! mild mexican! > > (i cannot overstress how "my superior" to kraft this is) > > -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:04:16 -0400 From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] not my favorite "Lost in Space" tune > ps anybody know a us vendor who has the conet project cd set in > stock? > i tried google, forced expsoure, other music, ebay, etc. are there > any > good "outside" music resources online that i don't know about? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know if they have it, but... Have you tried Aquarius records in California yet? (google search for aquarius records will turn it up). They're a great source for weird stuff, and their new arrivals list, which has tons of sound samples, is a great way to keep up with avant garde stuff that you want to be able to name-drop but don't want to pay for. Anyone who wants to avoid paying for Jandek, but wants to know who-the-heck he is would definitely be advised to check out the current month's offerings. Does the new Wilco album explain in the liner notes where its title comes from? - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:15:12 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: RE: [loud-fans] not my favorite "Lost in Space" tune At 04:44 PM 8/29/2002 -0400, moxie wrote: >But really, if you have a burner, an oven, and an hour, do it the right >way: I'm not putting mac and cheese in my burner. I think it voids the warranty. "Void the Warranty" would be a good band name, IMO. later, Miles last played: Ramones, TOO TOUGH TO DIE (just reissued) next up: either Ramones, END OF THE CENTURY (ditto) or one of the new Frank Blacks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:13:55 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Matthew Sweet Superdeformed Demos available They were recently discussed on this list, so let it be known that I just picked up "Superdeformed 1" and Superdeformed 2," each CD being subtitled "The Altered Beast Demos." These aren't CD-R's, and each has nice artwork. Vol. 1 has 15 tracks and Vol. 2 has 14, with each running just under an hour. These are used CD's, but don't look any more used than anything else you'd gladly buy in a store. A quick spin has them sounding like the real thing. Sadly, though, they were kind of pricey at $15 each. Still, I went ahead and picked them up, since I can always gift them to people if nobody here contacts me off-list for them. I'm not going to list the song titles, but maybe an Internet site names them. The "label" is Sea Monkey, "copyright" 1996. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:19:43 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: RE: [loud-fans] not my favorite "Lost in Space" tune At 04:03 PM 8/29/02 -0400, dmw wrote: >ps anybody know a us vendor who has the conet project cd set in stock? >i tried google, forced expsoure, other music, ebay, etc. are there any >good "outside" music resources online that i don't know about? Have you tried Aquarius? Also give www.soleilmoon.com a shot if you haven't already. Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley Went in jeopardy of their lives. The Holy Bible (The Old Testament): _The Second Book of Samuel_, chapter 23, verse 17 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:36:11 -0500 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] not my favorite "Lost in Space" tune >Preheat oven to 3500F. Those of you without a blast furnace will need to contact your local ore smelter. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:45:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: [loud-fans] not my favorite "Lost in Space" tune On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, moxie wrote: > Preheat oven to 3500F. I think Janet's getting carried away here. This would be the recipe for "Solar Mac'n'Cheese." - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ np: Tram _A Kind of Closure_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:47:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] giveaway (fwd) This doesn't appear to have shown up, so here it is again... First come, first served - or I might mail them to people at random. - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:59:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey To: Account 7870 Subject: giveaway Bad CDRs...: - --Robyn Hitchcock: non-album tracks from '96 A&M _Greatest Hits_ CD, augmented w/a couple of recent live Soft Boys tracks - lame-ass rip of electric "Globe of Frogs" ruined this one. - --One disc of each of the two discs of my recent swap CDR. I forget exactly what's wrong with one, but the other has a bad rip of the REM track and poor between-track edits. Track listing here (http://tinyurl.com/17j3): each "side" is actually one CDR. Claim either CD1 or CD2 (not both). No haikus, villanelles, nude photos, or trivia answers required. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:09:27 -0400 From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] giveaway (fwd) > --One disc of each of the two discs of my recent swap CDR. I forget > exactly what's wrong with one, but the other has a bad rip of the > REM > track and poor between-track edits. Track listing here > (http://tinyurl.com/17j3): each "side" is actually one CDR. Claim > either > CD1 or CD2 (not both). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's a website for posting mix-tape contents? And commenting on them? Yikes. - --dana (ask for CD1!! It has Thou and Unwound. And CD2 has the stinky Loud Family. Who wants to hear anything by them?) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:07:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Yankee Hotel Foxtrot On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Dana Paoli wrote: > Does the new Wilco album explain in the liner notes where its title comes > from? I don't think so. I remember reading in a review somewhere that the end of "Poor Places" where the voice repeats "Yankee--Hotel--Foxtrot" was captured off of shortwave radio. I'm less certain about this, but I think what they heard on the radio was just "Y-H-F", and nothing else, without any context or explanation. Anyone know more, or care to correct me? It's still my favorite album of the year. - --Michael NP Sleater-Kinney ONE BEAT (Probably my favorite S-K release. Favorite song is "Light-Rail Coyote"--let me know if you'd like some annotations to all the references to Portland geography/social structure in the song.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:19:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Yankee Hotel Foxtrot On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Michael Mitton wrote: > On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Dana Paoli wrote: > > > Does the new Wilco album explain in the liner notes where its title comes > > from? > > I don't think so. I remember reading in a review somewhere that the > end of "Poor Places" where the voice repeats "Yankee--Hotel--Foxtrot" was > captured off of shortwave radio. I'm less certain about this, but I think > what they heard on the radio was just "Y-H-F", and nothing else, without > any context or explanation. > > Anyone know more, or care to correct me? > > It's still my favorite album of the year. I did a google search on "numbers stations shortwave code" and came up with a number of useful links. Or at least I think they're useful - I haven't checked them out. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I play the guitar. Sometimes I play the fool:: __John Lennon__ np: Tristeza _Mixed Signals_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:41:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Yankee Hotel Foxtrot On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > I did a google search on "numbers stations shortwave code" and came up > with a number of useful links. Or at least I think they're useful - I > haven't checked them out. Indeed, you are correct, and pretty interesting stuff. It seems that Wilco took this particular sample from a 4 CD set called "The CONET Project: Recordings of Shortwave Numbers Stations." Add "yankee hotel foxtrot" to the above google term and you'll find a few sites specifically on this topic. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:03:45 -0400 From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Yankee Hotel Foxtrot NP Sleater-Kinney ONE BEAT (Probably my favorite S-K release. Favorite song is "Light-Rail Coyote"--let me know if you'd like some annotations to all the references to Portland geography/social structure in the song.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to have to eat some crow w/regards to this release. I really dislike Ms. Tucker's voice intensely, and have ever since she was Heavens To Betsy. But I've finally given in to the inevitable, and after hearing this in-store at Holy Cow for the past week I bought a copy. Her voice strikes me as being a little bit more English-70's-artsy-punk on this one, so if I pretend that it's Poly Styrene or something, I can deal with it. And in all other respects, the album kicks ass. I didn't want to admit it, but there you are. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:08:36 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] More on Crash JRT456@aol.com wrote: > > I was just checking in with L.D. Bengthol, whose many projects include a very > impressive upcoming release by his band Flare. He also has another album > coming out next spring from the Moth Wranglers, where he mentioned that the > two covers include "Don't look now!" by Crash. Interesting. I did manage to land that Crash 12" (has "Don't Look Now," "International Velvet," and "Don't Look Now (acoustic)" and I love it. I wish it were a whole album, but I'll take what I can get. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:13:26 -0400 From: Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Yankee Hotel Foxtrot I'm gone for two months and y'all are still googling. I love that! -julianne I have no idea why I was gone or what I was doing. - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Mitton [mailto:mlmitton@phoenix.Princeton.EDU] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:41 PM Cc: where they sleep better knowing stuff Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Yankee Hotel Foxtrot On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > I did a google search on "numbers stations shortwave code" and came up > with a number of useful links. Or at least I think they're useful - I > haven't checked them out. Indeed, you are correct, and pretty interesting stuff. It seems that Wilco took this particular sample from a 4 CD set called "The CONET Project: Recordings of Shortwave Numbers Stations." Add "yankee hotel foxtrot" to the above google term and you'll find a few sites specifically on this topic. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:36:58 -0400 From: Cyndy Patrick Subject: Re: [loud-fans] not my favorite "Lost in Space" tune Perhaps a search at Luna Music (www.lunamusic.net) is in order. Their customer service is exceptional and they've been able to track down stuff for me that I thought I'd never find. dmw wrote: > ps anybody know a us vendor who has the conet project cd set in stock? > i tried google, forced expsoure, other music, ebay, etc. are there any > good "outside" music resources online that i don't know about? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:23:54 -0400 From: "moxie" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] not my favorite "Lost in Space" tune Can no one tell the difference between the letter O (universal sloppy stand-in for degrees) and the numeral zero (0)? We'd better have a nice remedial hour with Sesame Street before we enjoy that delicious macaroni and cheese. janet ps - hm, they do look the same. I blame my transcriptionist. > On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, moxie wrote: > > > Preheat oven to 3500F. > > I think Janet's getting carried away here. This would be the recipe for > "Solar Mac'n'Cheese." > > --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html > ::[clever or pithy quote]:: > __[source of quote]__ > > np: Tram _A Kind of Closure_ > > - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:24:11 -0400 From: "moxie" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] not my favorite "Lost in Space" tune Can no one tell the difference between the letter O (universal sloppy stand-in for degrees) and the numeral zero (0)? We'd better have a nice remedial hour with Sesame Street before we enjoy that delicious macaroni and cheese. janet ps - hm, they do look the same. I blame my transcriptionist. > On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, moxie wrote: > > > Preheat oven to 3500F. > > I think Janet's getting carried away here. This would be the recipe for > "Solar Mac'n'Cheese." > > --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html > ::[clever or pithy quote]:: > __[source of quote]__ > > np: Tram _A Kind of Closure_ > > - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:44:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: [loud-fans] not my favorite "Lost in Space" tune On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, moxie wrote: > Can no one tell the difference between the letter O (universal sloppy > stand-in for degrees) and the numeral zero (0)? We'd better have a > nice remedial hour with Sesame Street before we enjoy that delicious > macaroni and cheese. Not in Courier New. Uh-and-uh anyhoo, "350F" in reference to cooking pretty much conveys that the thingy is temperature - no degree sign necessary. ASCII and ye shall receive... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::CTRL-ALT-DEL you!:: np: Blanket Music _Move_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:06:25 -0400 From: Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com Subject: [loud-fans] Road Trip Suggestions Greetings All, I'm preparing to drive a small group of excellent friends up north to a Seattle music fest - yay Bumbershoot! Even though Seattle isn't *that* far away, preparing for this drive got me thinking about what determines a successful roadtrip. A road trip can be either an excellent adventure or hours of uncomfortable torture. Of course choice of music plays a key role in determining how enjoyable a road trip is. What else contributes? Also, I want to hear back from you any interesting stories you may have about taking long road trips. Tell me what worked best, what didn't work, what adventures and surprises you had along the way, etc. Priorities of a successful co-pilot: serve up tasty tunes, provide ample water and snacks, field all music requests Priorities of a succesful driver: driving safely, ample potty breaks, arrive on time, safe car, good sound system Priorities of successful backseat passengers: not kicking the seats, not flipping off other drivers Happy to be subscribed again... -julianne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:35:07 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Matthew Sweet Superdeformed Demos available On Thursday, August 29, 2002, at 04:13 PM, JRT456@aol.com wrote: > I'm not going to list the song titles, but maybe an Internet > site names them. The "label" is Sea Monkey, "copyright" 1996. This might work - http://www.afn.org/~afn04314/msweet.htm - - Steve __________ Break the cursing seal of love, new devil. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:58:14 -0400 From: Janet Ingraham Dwyer Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Road Trip Suggestions At 09:06 PM 08/29/2002 -0400, Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com wrote: >Even though Seattle isn't *that* far away, preparing for this drive got me >thinking about what determines a successful roadtrip. A road trip can be >either an excellent adventure or hours of uncomfortable torture. Of course >choice of music plays a key role in determining how enjoyable a road trip >is. What else contributes? Welcome back, Julianne! It's always lovely to see you here. Here are a few rules of the road I've learned (mostly the hard way) during my fair share of road trips. I'll leave off the ones applying specifically to passengers in child safety seats. 1. Pee before you leave. 2. Have coffee prepared in travel mugs before you leave. 3. Rule #2 negates the beneficial effect of rule #1 after an hour or so. 4. Don't argue with each other. I mean personal arguments; philosophical arguments are terrific and pass the time unless they devolve into personal arguments. 5. The scan button on the radio can provide hours of entertainment in reasonably populated areas, should choice of music start leading to personal arguments. 6. Hoary old road games are your friends: a. Make the shortest word possible using the letter sequence on the license plate ahead of you. The letters must remain in the same order as on the plate. b. Spot license plates from as many states and other localities as possible. c. The alphabet game - each person in turn must spot and identify the next letter in the alphabet on a sign. You can't use license plates. An ad for Quaker State is helpful for that tricky "Q" impasse (and R,S,T,U swiftly follow, if the sign is still in sight as players call out their letters). d. "I spy with my little eye" works if you're not driving too freakin fast. e. etc. 7. Change drivers regularly. Don't stick anyone with an entire western state. 8. The current driver should have the say as to when to switch drivers.9. Passengers can sleep if they need to (and are able to), but it's polite to find out if the driver wants some conscious company before choosing to snooze. 10. If there's a smoker in the car and the car is non-smoking, let the smoker decide when to stop for a break. See rule #4 above. 11. Enjoy the scenery. 12. Bring a packed cooler. 13. Oh gosh, check the tires, the oil, and the general condition of the car before you go. Make sure you have a good spare tire, quart of oil, emergency and first aid kit, drinking water, blanket and so forth with you. Leave with a full tank. And - this may sound morbid - write an emergency contact's name and phone number on a piece of paper and tape it to the dash. 14. Don't think about #13 after you complete it. Have fun; road trips are special. I'm sure everyone else has more and better ideas. You'll never get to Seattle if you take the time to follow them all. janet ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 02:04:33 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Road Trip Suggestions At 09:06 PM 8/29/2002 -0400, Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com wrote: >Even though Seattle isn't *that* far away, preparing for this drive got me >thinking about what determines a successful roadtrip. A road trip can be >either an excellent adventure or hours of uncomfortable torture. Of course >choice of music plays a key role in determining how enjoyable a road trip >is. What else contributes? Both good maps and the choice not to use them. Maps are particularly essential on meandering drives where one is trying to avoid interstates, whether for reasons of construction, scenery, or boredom, but as my father-in-law is fond of saying, there's more than one road to Mecca. Often the thing to do is simply to say, "Oh, it's time to head east for a while" and do so at the next available opportunity. You can usually sort out where you are and where you're headed in time to take corrective action if necessary, and state roads are usually more fun. On a trip to Louisiana two or three years ago, we managed to both find a Big Star supermarket, complete with the sign that's on the front of #1 RECORD, *and* damn near get killed by a low-flying turkey vulture, in the space of about 45 minutes. Freeways don't give you that kind of satisfaction. > >Also, I want to hear back from you any interesting stories you may have >about taking long road trips. Tell me what worked best, what didn't work, >what adventures and surprises you had along the way, etc. Well, just this spring, we managed the rather remarkable feat of driving an overloaded Ryder truck 2300 miles in the space of five days with only one driver (Charity doesn't drive, and even if she did, I hate being a passenger), no cassette deck or CD player, and obstacles such as the fact that the entire state of Arkansas was under construction and the entire state of Tennessee was under water, and it not only wasn't miserable, it was actually a lot of fun! Key points: 1. As Janet mentioned, the scan button is your friend. Not only is there usually at least a half-decent oldies station, you can get comical juxtapositions and also stumble on oddities like an AM station in Oklahoma that was broadcasting a show hosted by Stan Freberg of old radio comedies and dramas. 2. Especially if you're driving through an unfamiliar part of the country, don't just eat at Burger King all the damn time. Regional cuisines are good things, and with a little practice, you can tell from a glance whether a restaurant is going to serve a good meal or not. Scope out the local supermarkets and convenience stores for the same reason. 3. Schedule your stretching-peeing-car maintaining breaks at roughly 90 minute intervals. Better to stop for 10 minutes three times than half an hour once -- you'll be refreshed and able to drive for a longer period of time, if you really need to burn up the miles. (Being six and a half feet tall, I fit comfortably into next-to-no cars, so I'm particularly in favor of regular breaks to get out and walk around to make sure I can still feel my legs.) 4. For multi-day road trips, stay at the nicest motel you can comfortably afford each night, and budget for the possibility that one night you're going to want to stay someplace *really* luxe. You're not going to be able to relax and recharge at night if the bed is lumpy, the shower barely works, you're peeking out the window every 20 minutes to make sure the car is still there and you keep hearing "It's gonna cost extra if'n you wanna stick it in there, honey" from the next room all night. If a particular motel seems to have bad juju, bag it and drive on to the next -- we learned this in Tennessee when we just couldn't shake an unpleasant feeling about a motel we'd stopped at for the night. We decided to get our money back and bail, and when I went into the office to do so, I learned that not only did another couple in front of me have the same idea, but that about 20 minutes before we got there, a drunken guest had gotten into an argument with the hotel manager and fired a couple shots. 5. Red Bull may not give you wings, but a really bitchin' caffeine and sugar high can really be useful sometimes. Otherwise, stick with the coffee -- if you tend to stay in places with the now nearly-ubiquitous in-room coffeemaker, you can travel with a pound of your own private stash to get started with in the mornings, always a nice touch. 6. You know, sometimes you're gonna take Exit 67A when you meant to take Exit 67B, or 91 East when you meant to take 91 West. That's why there's a reverse gear, not to mention parking lots to turn around in. It's not the end of the world. On the other hand, feel free to call your fellow drivers comically filthy names when they do really stupid things in front of you. Stewart ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #307 *******************************