From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #306 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, August 29 2002 Volume 02 : Number 306 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Men who look like Kenny Rogers ["Chris Murtland" ] [loud-fans] Important Memo [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] read and burn return [Miles Goosens ] [loud-fans] RE: how to book a band ["Brett Milano" ] [loud-fans] mixerman [dmw ] [loud-fans] the good girl ["Vallor" ] Re: [loud-fans] mixerman [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] giveaway [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] quote of the month [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] How much to book a band for college [Boyof100lists@aol.co] Re: RE: [loud-fans] Aimee Mann [Bill Silvers ] Re: [loud-fans] RE: how to book a band [Boyof100lists@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] advertising-- what are the odds of this? [Phil Fleming Subject: [loud-fans] Men who look like Kenny Rogers A link to a site all about men who look like Kenny Rogers www.menwholooklikekennyrogers.com Flash, JavaScript error ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:11:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Aimee Mann On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, dmw wrote: > p.s. i like "nightmare girl," & i bet i'd like it better if i could strip > the strings from it. Oh, I'll bet you say that to all the girls... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::You think your country needs you, but you know it never will:: __Elvis Costello__ np: The Cars s/t - forgotten what a great record this is ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:16:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] Important Memo Re: Wednesday, September 4, 2002 As you know, next Wednesday is "Tropical Shirt and Jeans Day." After lengthy consideration, however, we have decided that for you, next Wednesday is "Call In Sick and Listen to Aimee Mann Whether You Like it or Not Day." We appreciate your cooperation. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, wondering why there are no tropical pants - or is it Porky Pig style out there? J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::crumple zones:::::harmful or fatal if swallowed:::::small-craft warning:: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:22:08 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] read and burn return In case anyone's interested in following what doug and I are saying about the latest Wire (READ AND BURN 02 should be out shortly, perhaps to be sold on the September North American tour): My note to doug: >At 04:50 PM 8/28/2002 -0400, dmw wrote: >> >>i think the problem is that i have a real bias toward the sound of tube >>amp distortion. > >Hm. This is a different kind of distortion, you're right, and it's a much >colder form. But I think Wire is being very deliberate about it, and is >working that sound (thinking of Michael Keaton's comment about playing >Batman -- "you gotta work the suit!") to good effect. > > >>i have to concede that the drums and vocals are often >>quite crisp. > >Colin's intention was to pack in a ton of sound, with a very specific feel >of -- I don't know if "compression" is the right word, because I think it >means something specific and different to producers, but of LOTS of sound >being packed in there and walloping you for 19 minutes solid. The only >aural complaint I've heard before yours was an IC'er saying that he thought >the bass was ill-served by the mix aside from "Agfers of Kodack," but I feel >its pummelling sound just as much as anything else. Lewis often plays >pretty high notes, so I think this guy was expecting a lot of low low notes >and missing how Graham's often in the death struggle for the midrange with >Colin, Bruce, and parts of Robert's drum kit. > >That's another reason why all the Wire Mk. III stuff needs to be played loud >and on a good system -- it's built on a lot of sound in a (relatively) >narrow band, and to really get the density and glory of it all, you've got >to have something that revs it up. doug's reply to me: >On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > >> feel its pummelling sound just as much as anything else. Lewis often plays >> pretty high notes, so I think this guy was expecting a lot of low low notes >> and missing how Graham's often in the death struggle for the midrange with >> Colin, Bruce, and parts of Robert's drum kit. > >> loud and on a good system -- it's built on a lot of sound in a (relatively) >> narrow band, and to really get the density and glory of it all, you've got > > >hee -- what you praise is what i don't like about it, almost exactly! (i >was wondering if there was any bass on the record at all). > >i'm also put off by the total lack of dynamics. > >i will say this for it: it certainly sounds deliberate, rather than like a >mistake. it's challenge to traditional notions of what "rock music" is >conventionally "supposed" to sound like -- and i'm all for challenging >conventions -- but i think some things are conventions because they are >fundamentally more pleasing (or maybe, fundamentally have more potential >for subtlety of expression) (obviously, read and mudd 01 is not interested >in subtlety) > >-- d. Feel free to ignore or misattribute as needed. :-) later, Miles, headed home to play the next few games of the Nashville Tax Protestors in the ESSOM tourney ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:32:42 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Men who look like Kenny Rogers At 04:48 PM 8/28/2002 -0400, Chris Murtland wrote: >A link to a site all about men who look like Kenny Rogers > >www.menwholooklikekennyrogers.com The last time I rode the bus from Nashville to West Virginia (April 1998 -- like the other time I did it, to pick up a car), there was one of those Men Who Look Like Kenny Rogers on the bus. He mostly sat beside these nice churchy ladies from DC, Columbus, and Detroit, and we all learned that he was in rehab, and that he was going to visit (read: mooch off) his daughter in Virginia for a while. About midway through the trip he told the lady in the next seat that God had put her beside him, because now he saw the error of his ways and was saved. But as the far more interesting dumb guy from Springfield, TN (interesting for the amusement factor -- every half hour he'd wake up and, in a loud voice eerily like that of Dale on KING OF THE HILL, said "WHERE ARE WE?" When told, he'd say "WHERE IS THAT?", then without waiting for an answer, he'd return to his stupor) put it, "You've done gone and been saved five times tonight, an' we're *still* having to hear about it!" That is my only story about Men Who Look Like Kenny Rogers. Aside from seeing Kenny himself, but that would be a story about Men Who Are Kenny Rogers. Oh, last week, we saw George Jones at a local Mexican restaurant. So now we've got that square in "Nashville Celeb Sighting Bingo." later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:39:37 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] advertising-- what are the odds of this? On Wednesday, August 28, 2002, at 04:14 PM, Miles Goosens wrote: > dmw wrote: > >and my > >first impression of wire's _read & burn_ is that it sounds like > someone > >took what might be a good ep and dipped it in a vat of mud. > > You do know that it's *not* the Albini sessions? ;-) Seriously, our > ears couldn't be more different on this one -- I think it sounds f'ing > huge, just unbelievably loud, glistening, bracing stuff, and I love > what Colin did with the sound. I agree with Miles here. I think it's one of the best _sounding_ records I've heard this year. It's taking the sonic approach of someone like Panacea or Alec Empire and applying it to guitar rock. It's obvious that the sounds are digitally processed to the extreme, but at the same time it's the product of 4 musicians bashing the f*** out of their instruments in the same room. > I do think it's meant to be played as loud as you can take it. I > remember playing the RealAudio versions of "Comet" and "Art of > Stopping" and thinking "huh, sorta unimpressive," but when the actual > CD arrived, I put it on the big ol' home system, and it was like > lifting a very heavy, thick curtain off of the music -- suddenly it > was bigger than all outdoors and I was totally into it. And still am. As part of my project to digitize all of my CD's (for portability via iPod and as backups in preparation for inevitably lost/stolen things) I've been encoding everything as high bitrate MP3's. At the typical settings I've been using, it requires an average bitrate (using VBR) in the 175-195 kbps range to provide a reasonably transparent encoding, but _Read And Burn_ pegged the scope in the 220-240 kbps range (indicative of the sheer sonic "mass" the encoder's trying to capture.) - -- Dave Walker freeform radio and live, nude fish at: http://www.freeke.org/ffg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:53:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Gabriel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] extreme fajitas Favorite Oiice Spacean moment from my former employer: PROBLEM: In a company of ~80 employees, not everyone received identical birthday recognition. Sometimes, friends would take an employee out for lunch, other people would recieve a card, still others didn't want their special date commemorated at all. This anarchy could not stand. SOLUTION: Management Policy 172 - "The Recognition of Employee Birthdays". This official document outlined a strict routine for all celebrants. Employee A would spend exactly $20 on a gift for the person whose birthday immediately preceded his/her own. In turn, recipient of Employee A's gift would then spend $20 on he next birthday boy/girl. Any remaining monies (say, for a gift costing $19.72) would be given to the celebrant (exactly 27 cents). Spending more than $20 was expressly forbidden. The only additional recognition was at the generic monthly birthday party for all birthdays within a given month. NO FURTHER RECOGNITION WAS ALLOWED. You could not take your fave cow-orker out to lunch, out for drinks, etc. Hard to believe this company went out of business. Wearing 17 pieces of flair, Jon - --- Roger Winston wrote: Favorite Office Spacean moment from my former employer: PROBLEM: In a company of ~80 employees, not everyone received identical birthday recognition. Sometimes, friends would take an employee out for lunch, other people would recieve a card, still others didn't want their special date commemorated at all. This anarchy could not stand. SOLUTION: Management Policy 172 - "The Recognition of Employee Birthdays". This official document outlined a strict routine for all celebrants. Employee A would spend exactly $20 on a gift for the person whose birthday immediately preceded his/her own. In turn, recipient of Employee A's gift would then spend $20 on he next birthday boy/girl. Any remaining monies (say, for a gift costing $19.72) would be given to the celebrant (exactly 27 cents). Spending more than $20 was expressly forbidden. The only additional recognition was at the generic monthly birthday party for all birthdays within a given month. NO FURTHER RECOGNITION WAS ALLOWED. You could not take your fave cow-orker out to lunch, out for drinks, etc. Hard to believe this company went out of business. Wearing 17 pieces of flair, Jon > Everyone thinks that the company they work for is > the one parodied in the movie OFFICE SPACE. I have > definitive proof that it's the company I work for. > We just got an e-mail declaring next Wednesday > "Tropical Shirts and Jeans Day". So there. Beat > that. > > What's the difference between tropical shirts and > Hawaiian shirts anyway? Are Hawaiian shirts a > subset of tropical shirts? Or are they two totally > different things? > > Latre. --Rog > > Yeahhhh... what I need you to do... is not listen to > the new Aimee Mann album on company time... > yeahhhh... can you do that? Thaaaaanks. ===== 777777777777777777777777777777 JON GABRIEL mesa, arizona usa inkling communication + design 777777777777777777777777777777 Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 19:17:04 -0400 From: "Brett Milano" Subject: [loud-fans] RE: how to book a band * Melissa Etheridge will play for you for $100,000. Melissa Ferrick, who is (IMO) about 100 times more talented... Not to mention way, way cuter. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:05:06 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] mixerman this has gotta be a hoax, doesn't it? if it's not, how does this guy think he's ever going to get a gig recording anything ever again? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:46:54 -0400 From: "Vallor" Subject: [loud-fans] the good girl > far), he can be seen in THE GOOD GIRL (anyone been to that yet, opinions?) > and an upcoming picture called MOONLIGHT MILE. A tremendous film, in my opinion, about a quietly pathetic woman with no imagination (and really no moral/ethical compass) to whom the seemingly easiest road is always the road to take (with no regard for the consequences to herself or anyone around her). Jake Gyllenhaal is fantastic as the Catcher In The Rye obsessed "writer" who is everything I ever saw in Holden Caufield (I'm not an admirer of that HC). It was written by Mike White of whom I'm a big fan from his days writing for Freeks And Geeks and on to the film that he wrote and starred in, Chuck And Buck (also directed by Miguel Arteta). White appears here as a Bible studying security guard who's best line was in the new TV preview though it was trimmed ever so slightly for TV as to suck the real joke out of it. Aniston is surprisingly great (I had only seen her doing movie roles like her role on Friends before and this is a fine departure). Zooey Deschanel from Almost Famous is funny in a small but caustic role and Tim Blake Nelson of O, Brother... is quite good as Aniston's husband's stoner pal. The only character lacking much definition is John C. Reilly, who I think is really good in his own quiet way, but the film is mostly from the eye of Aniston's character, so his role as her husband is fairly undefined. So I've seen 2 of three Miguel Arteta films and they were both great, but I haven't seen Star Maps, I heard mixed reviews...it does have Big Star and Nick Drake on the soundtrack though. The Good Girl includes a few Nick Drake songs too, as I recall. Arteta 's also done some 6 Feet Under's but I haven't found the time to watch that show. Dan V ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:53:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] mixerman On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, dmw wrote: > this has gotta be a hoax, doesn't it? > > if it's not, how does this guy think he's ever going to get a gig > recording anything ever again? I just hope Sharples' recording project is proceeding more smoothly... Actually, I think "mixerman" is hoping to get MTV interested in a series - sorta "Spinal Tap meets The Osbournes." I'm trying to figure out the cast (it would only be *shot* as if it's "reality" TV, of course)...any help here? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::You think your country needs you, but you know it never will:: __Elvis Costello__ np: Robyn Hitchcock homebrew - the good copy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:59:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] giveaway Bad CDRs...: - --Robyn Hitchcock: non-album tracks from '96 A&M _Greatest Hits_ CD, augmented w/a couple of recent live Soft Boys tracks - lame-ass rip of electric "Globe of Frogs" ruined this one. - --One disc of each of the two discs of my recent swap CDR. I forget exactly what's wrong with one, but the other has a bad rip of the REM track and poor between-track edits. Track listing here (http://tinyurl.com/17j3): each "side" is actually one CDR. Claim either CD1 or CD2 (not both). No haikus, villanelles, nude photos, or trivia answers required. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:03:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] quote of the month From an article in the local dreadful alternative weekly. Lorge is a Republican gubernatorial candidate: "Bill Lorge takes exception to being called a 'self-proclaimed maverick,' as Milwaukee's daily once referred to him. "'I am a maverick,' Lorge, 42, insists. 'It's not self-proclaimed.'" - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:34:25 -0400 From: "jer fairall" Subject: Re: RE: [loud-fans] Aimee Mann Larry says: > check out Missy Roback's new album JUST LIKE BREATHING. Where can I get this? The usual sources (CD Now, Amazon, etc) have never heard of it. Jer Your Actions Can Help! Support Strong Environmental Protections http://www.care2.com/go/z/2532 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:41:52 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] How much to book a band for college In a message dated 8/28/02 2:27:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, michael@zwirn.com writes: > * Dar Williams can be booked for $10,000 Dar played a bar in town the other month (I had to work at my Mcjob and missed it, unfortunately) but I really don't see how she could have cleared 10 grand. I would say that maybe the owner broke even if this is the case, at 15 dollars a pop, but the venue won't hold that many people. It is just a converted auto body repair shop. I would assume that this means that Dar would charge the owner this amount beforehand? The pies are burning, - -Mark Staples ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:54:07 -0500 From: Bill Silvers Subject: Re: RE: [loud-fans] Aimee Mann Jer Fairall asks: >Larry says: > > > check out Missy Roback's new album JUST LIKE BREATHING. > >Where can I get this? The usual sources (CD Now, Amazon, etc) have never >heard of it. Check: http://www.missyroback.com/ or http://www.milesofmusic.com/ b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:56:57 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: how to book a band In a message dated 8/28/02 7:17:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, muso@mindspring.com writes: > * Melissa Etheridge will play for you for $100,000. Melissa Ferrick, who is > (IMO) about 100 times more talented... > Cher will play for gratis Botox. Actually she played Greenville tonight and I had a couple of people ask if I was going. To the first I said, "Uh.....no." To the second, I said, "Not if I can help it." (they probably think: you seem gay, you probably like Cher) Cyndi Lauper is opening. I heard she played in a wheelchair, as she fell off a stage in the midwest. Time to go and put on my Judy Garland collection (what.....ever), - -Mark Staples ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:05:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil Fleming Subject: Re: [loud-fans] advertising-- what are the odds of this? I don't think the tour was Sponsored by KMart. I know they announced the tour AT a KMart. Phil F. NP... Aimee Mann _Lost In Space_ (Didn't come in today, so I bought one at a store... now what to do with the one that'll come in tomorrow, I'm sure) - --- "Joseph M. Mallon" wrote: > I believe U2 had sponsorship form Kmart for their > Popmart tour. It was > supposed to be some clever comment on the > disposability of popular music - > all too accurate, considering POP is available for > about $6 at Amoeba. Yahoo! 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