From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #305 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, August 28 2002 Volume 02 : Number 305 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [loud-fans] Heaven Help Us (ns) ["Keegstra, Russell" ] Re: [loud-fans] cover art question [Roger Winston ] [loud-fans] Re: new Aimee [] RE: [loud-fans] Re: new Aimee ["Larry Tucker" ] Re: [loud-fans] advertising-- what are the odds of this? [zkk46@ttacs.ttu] Re: [loud-fans] Aimee Mann [] Re: [loud-fans] scariest dream ever ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] advertising-- what are the odds of this? ["Andrew Hamlin"] Re: [loud-fans] advertising-- what are the odds of this? [Steve Holtebeck] [loud-fans] Movie funniness ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: new Aimee [Boyof100lists@aol.com] [loud-fans] Lovely & Amazing ["jer fairall" ] Re: [loud-fans] Lovely & Amazing ["Aaron Milenski" ] RE: [loud-fans] tommy keene ["Larry Tucker" ] RE: [loud-fans] Aimee Mann ["Larry Tucker" ] RE: [loud-fans] REDD Blood Cells ["Larry Tucker" ] Re: [loud-fans] advertising-- what are the odds of this? [Miles Goosens <] Re: [loud-fans] advertising-- what are the odds of this? [dmw ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:16:22 -0500 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Heaven Help Us (ns) >And I'm pretty sure that "Nomads" is available on DVD. Yes indeed. No extras to speak of, but it's pretty cheap. Yet another in a long line of movies with which my wife and I disagree with Roger Ebert. Okay, that sentence doesn't work, but you know what I mean. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:13:26 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cover art question At Wednesday 8/28/2002 01:15 AM -0400, AWeiss4338@aol.com wrote: >LOL. I got the copy with the bonus single this evening, which was a relief. I >love both album and single, and agree with Mark that it's very dark, ditto >for the artwork. C'mon, let's hear from the people who do NOT like the new Aimee Mann album. I know they're here on the List. Every single advance word I've heard on this album (except from Scott himself) is that it's too slow, boring, and samey-sounding. Now that the thing has been released for real, I'll be interested to see if the consensus changes. I have not heard, bought or pre-ordered the thing myself, based on the negative comments I've heard. But I wasn't a huge Aimee fan anyway, though I did like parts of BACHELOR #2. Phil, the Mixerman saga is at: http://www.prosoundweb.com/recording/mm/week1/mm.php Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:25:50 +0000 From: Subject: [loud-fans] Re: new Aimee Rog wrote - > C'mon, let's hear from the people who do NOT like the new Aimee Mann > album. I know they're here on the List. Every single advance word I've > heard on this album (except from Scott himself) is that it's too slow, > boring, and samey-sounding. OK, whisper it - I'm sorry to say that I kind of felt that way about 'Whatever' and 'Bachelor #2' as well: there are marvellous songs on both, but as albums I find them virtually impossible to listen to in a single sitting. I'm somewhat afraid that Aimee's maybe-understandable avoidance of 'rockisms' is leading her into very, umm, genteel territory. I think I'm probably in the minority here, but I thought 'I'm With Stupid' was by far her strongest release, and I do worry that after some of the regrets she expressed about that record, maybe her natural inclination is for something far more tasteful and adult than I enjoy in pop music... peace & love phil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:45:58 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Re: new Aimee |-----Original Message----- |From: phil.gerrard@ntlworld.com [mailto:phil.gerrard@ntlworld.com] |Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:26 AM |To: loud-fans@smoe.org |Subject: [loud-fans] Re: new Aimee | | |Rog wrote - | |> C'mon, let's hear from the people who do NOT like the new Aimee Mann |> album. I know they're here on the List. Every single |advance word I've |> heard on this album (except from Scott himself) is that it's |too slow, |> boring, and samey-sounding. | |OK, whisper it - I'm sorry to say that I kind of felt that way |about 'Whatever' and 'Bachelor #2' as well: there are |marvellous songs on both, but as albums I find them virtually |impossible to listen to in a single sitting. I'm somewhat |afraid that Aimee's maybe-understandable avoidance of |'rockisms' is leading her into very, umm, genteel territory. I |think I'm probably in the minority here, but I thought 'I'm |With Stupid' was by far her strongest release, and I do worry |that after some of the regrets she expressed about that |record, maybe her natural inclination is for something far |more tasteful and adult than I enjoy in pop music... I've given it a couple of listens and consider myself an Aimee Mann fan, but this one just hasn't grabbed me yet. I really loved IWS and also liked B#2 a lot (it made my top 10 list for that last year), but I think the songwriting on this one just isn't as strong, and yes the songs are kind of samey. There are maybe 3 or 4 solid songs to my ear and the rest sound as though they were B#2 outtakes. The ones I tend to like the most are the ones that feature Michael Lockwood's guitar playing which harkens back a little to the juiced up sound of IWS. By far though my favorite song is "The Moth" which I like as much as anything she's ever done. Maybe my expectations were too high, but unless a light bulb goes off that hasn't been lit yet I'll be lumping this with WHATEVER, a good but not great album. - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:54:02 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: new Aimee The story was quickly buried under more pressing events, but we're approaching the first anniversary of Mann's lawsuit against Universal's excellent (and very fan-friendly) "Ultimate Collection." I always thought Mann was just irritated that it reminded everyone that the best song on the "Magnolia" soundtrack wasn't even written for that movie. Anyway, here's another vote for "Lost In Space" not being an instant classic, although the general plodding atmosphere still suggests that it could win somebody over with repeated listenings...which was a possibility that "Bachelor No. 1" couldn't suggest for this listener. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:14:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] Aimee Mann On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Roger Winston wrote: > C'mon, let's hear from the people who do NOT like the new Aimee Mann > album. I know they're here on the List. Every single advance word I've > heard on this album (except from Scott himself) is that it's too slow, > boring, and samey-sounding. Now that the thing has been released for real, > I'll be interested to see if the consensus changes. Well, I'd heard the naysaying, so I went to her website and listened to the MP3s. True, there's a preponderance of midtempo tracks, and the album would have been improved by a couple of faster tracks (like the second track on the 3-song EP, whose title I forget, but I like it a lot). But it was intriguing enough on first listen that I ordered it, and now that it's arrived, I can say definitely that "Humpty Dumpty" is a fine track, and a couple others (after two listens) are edging into my brain ("Moths," previously mentioned, being one of them). I guess that's a tentative endorsement: on a general 10-pt. scale, it might be 7 or 8; on an Aimee Mann scale, a point or two lower. I'm in the camp that says _I'm with Stupid_ is still her best - I'm surprised to hear she's said bad things about it (or are they primarily bad memories of DGC?), but _B#2_ took quite a while to grow on me, so I'm optimistic about this one. Also, at least it's not too long - good thing for a primarily midtempo album. > Phil, the Mixerman saga is at: > http://www.prosoundweb.com/recording/mm/week1/mm.php ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:24:17 -0500 From: zkk46@ttacs.ttu.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] advertising-- what are the odds of this? > Jeff writes: > >Not sure why the "of all people" - although if it's defending Tom Petty > >time, I'm sure Janet and Miles will jump right in on it. > No, no need to defend Tom Petty. I like him too, and even have the Travelling Wilburys stuff. I don't recall any political songs that he has ever written though, and having conveniently forgotten about all of his record company troubles, my perception of him was that of someone to whom that kind of stuff didn't matter that much. His music just kind of seems tailor made for blue jeans commericials, much like David Bowie's "Blue Jeans". Still, the fact that he and John Mellencamp (I believe) are still against commercials surprises me since U2, Bruce, and many others have fallen. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:29:37 +0000 From: Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Aimee Mann Jeff wrote: > I'm in the camp that says _I'm with Stupid_ is still her best - I'm > surprised to hear she's said bad things about it (or are they > primarily bad memories of DGC?), but _B#2_ took quite a while to grow > on me, so I'm optimistic about this one. It's not that she *dislikes* 'IWS' per se, but Aimee has made comments to the effect that the album was somewhat over-influenced by people like Beck, ie that perhaps she went overboard on the whole sample / soundbite / goofiness thing, and that maybe it was a bit gimmicky and of its time. Funnily enough, I thought the looser approach she took on 'IWS' made it the most Scott-like album she'd ever done, which I would imagine she would take as a compliment... peace & love phil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:23:27 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] scariest dream ever >you should send that to Jesse Reklaw. he draws people's dreams in a 4-panel >strip. > >http://www.slowwave.com/ Yeah, Jesse's where it's at. Even if he wouldn't draw that dream where Bob Dylan keeps shushing me because he's bootlegging a Jonathan Richman show, Andy FORT PIERCE, Fla.  A Fort Pierce man out fishing with his son and a friend made a gruesome discovery in the waters of the Atlantic  a human head. Paul Trabulsy found the dismembered body part Friday, Aug. 23, about 22 miles east of Fort Pierce Inlet. The men used a gaff to fish the head out of the water and placed it in a garbage bag. Then they kept right on fishing.  We didn't want to come in right away, so we just put it in a bag in a bucket. It'd been out there awhile. What's a couple of hours?   Paul Trabulsy "We didn't want to come in right away, so we just put it in a bag in a bucket. It'd been out there awhile. What's a couple of hours?" said Trabulsy, 41, a certified public accountant. The men docked and reported their discovery to the authorities about five hours later. Trabulsy revealed to ESPNOutdoors.com by phone Tuesday that he's received several "what we're you thinking" comments from friends and acquaintances in regard to the anglers' decision to keep on fishing after discovering the head. "We were 22 miles out, so we decided we could either run in and ruin a perfectly good day or we could fish our way in," Trabulsy said. "It didn't bother us. I was fishing with my son, who works at a funeral home here, and a friend, who was a medic in the Army." "Now, had it been a freshly severed head, it would have been a different story," said Trabulsy, noting he would have motored in quickly in that case. "But this had been out there for who knows how long." The trio had been catching kingfish off a reef and thought they would try their luck on dolphin, also known as dorado or mahi mahi, farther out. They were prepared to cast near a spot where seabirds were congregated when they spotted the bald head of a man, Trabulsy said. "I've been fishing here since I was a little kid," he said, "and I never found anything like that. It was bizarre." [...] [--from http://espn.go.com/outdoors/fishing/news/2002/0826/1423075.html ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:22:45 -0400 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] advertising-- what are the odds of this? At 09:24 AM 8/28/2002 -0500, zkk46@ttacs.ttu.edu wrote: >since U2, Bruce, and many others have >fallen. Bruce & U2 have done commercials? For whom? MB "If you want to work for a company, put on a goddam tie and go to the office everyday" - Tom Waits (paraphrased from memory), on corporate sponsorship, after suing (and beating) Frito-Lay for using a soundalike after refusing to license "Step Right Up" for a Doritos ad. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:11:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cover art question On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Roger Winston wrote: > C'mon, let's hear from the people who do NOT like the new Aimee Mann > album. I know they're here on the List. Every single advance word I've > heard on this album (except from Scott himself) is that it's too slow, > boring, and samey-sounding. Now that the thing has been released for real, > I'll be interested to see if the consensus changes. Based *solely* on the MP3s, I think the album is slow and unexciting. She was heading in that direction on B#2 & MAGNOLIA, but she seems to have wholeheartedly embraced the MORie within. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:20:20 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cover art question At 10:11 AM 8/28/2002 -0700, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: >Based *solely* on the MP3s, I think the album is slow and unexciting. >She was heading in that direction on B#2 & MAGNOLIA, but she seems to have >wholeheartedly embraced the MORie within. "Slow" is hardly a new direction for Aimee Mann -- was there a single song on, say, WELCOME HOME where the metronome was set above, at best, "mosey"? The tracks I've heard off the MP3s have sounded pretty good overall (nothing on the level of "Ghost World," which I still think is maybe her best song ever), but I did notice a troubling lack of sonic variety based on those few songs. Maybe it all hangs together better as a whole, the way that Michael's albums usually do. S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:29:50 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] advertising-- what are the odds of this? >Bruce & U2 have done commercials? For whom? Yeah, last time I checked, Bruce's attitude was, "never did it, never will." Now pondering what the evil David Johansen live album must sound like, Andy "I remember one time I was sitting drunk in a bar and I saw a man get up and calmly walk to the other end of the bar and cold-cock some guy with a beer mug because he'd been listening to him talk all evening and he couldn't take it anymore. It was wrong. It was felonious. But, like the twin towers attack, it happened for a reason, justly or not, and I wondered if that guy who got cold-cocked ever thought about what it was that enraged this stranger so, or whether he just chalked it up to bad luck and kept on charming the world to blithering murder. I was pretty drunk, but I remember thinking, Yeah, I can understand that." - --Cary Tennis, from his most recent advice column, http://www.salon.com/sex/col/tenn/2002/08/27/tennis_42/index2.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:41:35 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] advertising-- what are the odds of this? Michael Bowen wrote: > At 09:24 AM 8/28/2002 -0500, zkk46@ttacs.ttu.edu wrote: > >since U2, Bruce, and many others have > >fallen. > > Bruce & U2 have done commercials? For whom? This long list of songs used in commercials. (http://www.wavethemes.net/commercials/magister_ludi_list.txt) shows that "Born in the USA" was featured in a Chevy commercial, but I don't remember anything about that. They don't show any U2 songs there, but I think their last tour had corporate sponsorship from Mastercard or some other company. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:41:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: [loud-fans] Movie funniness http://www.apple.com/trailers/miramax/comedian.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:48:09 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: new Aimee In a message dated 8/28/02 9:25:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, phil.gerrard@ntlworld.com writes: > but I thought 'I'm With Stupid' was by far her strongest release, and I do > worry that after some of the regrets she expressed about that record, maybe > her natural inclination is for something far more tasteful and adult than I > enjoy in pop music... > > I let a creative writing teacher borrow that lp years back, and, though it is my favorite AM LP, she complained that the lyrics were too full of cliches. I think the new record is samey sounding as well. I would've even liked one of her waltzes thrown in for a little chocolate chunk to take away from all the vanilla, but, it's still pretty damned good. Scratch my butt and rub my ears, I was always English teachers' pet. - -Mark Staples np: Lush "Topolino" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:48:43 -0400 From: "jer fairall" Subject: [loud-fans] Lovely & Amazing A belated (it just opened here) endorsement for this film, which others have already praised here. Sort of an alternative "chick flick" in the sense that it's too smart and non-sappy to be deserving of that condescending term. Catherine Keener and Jake Gyllenhaal rock. Jer np: Bump of Chicken, JUPITER (like Jimmy Eat World crossed with early U2, only Japanese) Your Actions Can Help! Support Strong Environmental Protections http://www.care2.com/go/z/2532 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:57:09 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Lovely & Amazing >A belated (it just opened here) endorsement for this film, which others >have already praised >here. Sort of an alternative "chick flick" in the sense that it's too >smart and non-sappy to be >deserving of that condescending term. Catherine Keener and Jake Gyllenhaal >rock. > Seeing as it's the only movie I've been to in the last several months, I'll second Jer's recommendation here. Makes Hollywood films about "dysfunctional" (i.e. normal) families look really simple by comparison. Where did Jake Gyllenhaal come from? Talk about someone with a whole batch of fascinating roles in a really, really short time! _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:03:04 -0500 From: zkk46@ttacs.ttu.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] advertising-- what are the odds of this? Quoting Andrew Hamlin : > >Bruce & U2 have done commercials? For whom? > Yeah, last time I checked, Bruce's attitude was, "never did it, never > will." U2's was for Monday Night Football, from a year or 2 ago, the intro to "Where the Streets Have No Name" Bruce's is "Born in the USA", for Chevrolet, according to http://www.wavethemes.net/commercials/magister_ludi_list .txt I don't think I've heard that one for myself though. What is muppetlabs? Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:10:24 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] More on Crash I was just checking in with L.D. Bengthol, whose many projects include a very impressive upcoming release by his band Flare. He also has another album coming out next spring from the Moth Wranglers, where he mentioned that the two covers include "Don't look now!" by Crash. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:26:33 -0700 From: "Michael Zwirn" Subject: [loud-fans] How much to book a band for college From the evil people at Clear Channel (http://www.clearchannelcollegeentertainment.com/SearchResults.asp?Artist=%2 5) (copied from someone else's email on the Nields listserv) * If you want to book Natalie Merchant it'll set you back $35,000; but you can book her ex-bandmates in 10,000 Maniacs for $7500 (which, given the excellence of the Mary-led Maniacs, is pretty sad) * Dar Williams can be booked for $10,000 -- a snip when you consider Ani DiFranco wants $35,000 * Joan Baez can be yours for $20,000. Bob Dylan, on the other hand, wants $75-100,000 * Into jam bands? Rusted Root can be yours for $25,000! Moe. will accept $20,000. Widespread Panic will set you back $100,000 (hey, they're a great band, and more importantly they fill seats). * Melissa Etheridge will play for you for $100,000. Melissa Ferrick, who is (IMO) about 100 times more talented, wants a more modest $5000. * Want Amy Ray to put on a show? That's $5000. But if you add Emily Salieri, the price goes up to $40,000. (Not that Emily gets $35,000, I'd wager) * One hit album ... Michelle Branch wants $15-20,000. John Mayer, on the other hand, already asks for $50-75,000. Jewel asks for $50,000. * Got a spare $35,000? Decisions, decisions -- book Emmylou Harris? Or Fiona Apple? Maybe you could just get Leo Kottke to play seven times, as all he wants is $5000. - ----- Michael Zwirn michael@zwirn.com tel: 503/232-819 cell: 503/887-9800 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:31:44 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] advertising-- what are the odds of this? At 01:03 PM 8/28/2002 -0500, zkk46@ttacs.ttu.edu wrote: >Quoting Andrew Hamlin : > >> >Bruce & U2 have done commercials? For whom? >> Yeah, last time I checked, Bruce's attitude >was, "never did it, never >> will." > > >U2's was for Monday Night Football, from a year or 2 >ago, the intro to "Where the Streets Have No Name" All kinds of music are often played during sports shows, sports highlights, etc., doesn't mean that the artist gave consent or is receiving anything more than royalties for it. Plus I don't remember the song being used to promote MNF or even it being used at all -- in fact, this will be the umpteenth consecutive season of various canned Hank Jr. "All My Rowdy Friends" variants. >Bruce's is "Born in the USA", for Chevrolet, >according to >http://www.wavethemes.net/commercials/magister_ludi_list >.txt >I don't think I've heard that one for myself though. They are completely f'ing wrong. Bruce refused to sell BitUSA to Chrysler (I think it was Chrysler rather than Chevy), which had offered Bruce $6,000,000 smackeroos for its use and had the campaign ready to go, since it was inconceivable to them that anyone would say no to that kind of sum just for the use of a silly pop song. So Chrysler did a last minute just-this-side-of-legal "sounds a lot like BitUSA" copycat theme, and still used the slogan "Born in the USA," all without Bruce's consent. Not that Bruce could have won a court case on the slogan, which is probably far too general and widespread, but that music was close enough to be nabbed in my book. A lot of people, including this guy, still think that Bruce actually sold the song. Oh, and Tom Petty is pretty much the model of consistency in my book. Only a few folks, like Our Scott and Richard Thompson, can trump him there -- of all Tom's records, the only ones I'd even classify as mildly disappointing are LONG AFTER DARK (great songs, tepid studio takes), FULL MOON FEVER (a victim of Jeff Lynne Disease), and ECHO (good-to-great songs, but 90% of 'em are stuck in midtempoland, a common thing over the last 10 years). later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:35:07 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Lovely & Amazing >Where did Jake Gyllenhaal come from? Talk about someone with a whole batch >of fascinating roles in a really, really short time! From Los Angeles, California, sayeth IMDb. No but seriously, he started out with a small part (Billy Crystal's kid, I think) in CITY SLICKERS, but it wasn't until ten years later that he shot *thwang* into the cinematic consciousness. In addition to DONNIE DARKO (you haven't seen it? "Well, get on it then!") and LOVELY & AMAZING (my vote for Best Film Of 2002, so far), he can be seen in THE GOOD GIRL (anyone been to that yet, opinions?) and an upcoming picture called MOONLIGHT MILE. Not to be outdone, sister Maggie Gyllenhaal--you'll remember her playing Jake's sister in DONNIE DARKO--falls under James Spader's, er, thumb, in the upcoming SECRETARY. While Jake cries out in his sleep, "BUBBLE BOY--burn the negative! BURN THE FUCKING NEGATIVE!!!", Andy "That reminds me of a classic story from the Cannes Film Festival a few years back, when Rex Reed got an engraved invitation in French. The only word he could read was 'Eskimo.' He had heard that there was a great new Eskimo film in the festival, however, and so at midnight he went bravely out into the rainy night and got a cab and went to the address on the invitation, only to discover that he was a guest at the opening of an Eskimo Pie ice cream store." - --Roger Ebert, from his review of the movie NOMADS, http://www.suntimes.com/ebert/ebert_reviews/1986/03/47593.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:01:10 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] tommy keene |-----Original Message----- |From: Steve Holtebeck [mailto:smholt@ix.netcom.com] |Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 12:09 PM |To: dmw |Cc: where punctuation trumps music |Subject: Re: [loud-fans] tommy keene | | |dmw wrote: |> so is that live album any good? in the sense of having the |oomph of a |> good live set while still being a fairly clear recording. | |It reminds me a lot of the LF live album.. so the short answer |is "yes"! And if you'd care for another dose of some hot, live Tommy Keene check out his playing on the live Velvet Crush album ROCK CONCERT. You won't be disappointed. - -Larry psstt.....there Mark I did it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:05:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] advertising-- what are the odds of this? On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > >U2's was for Monday Night Football, from a year or 2 > >ago, the intro to "Where the Streets Have No Name" > > All kinds of music are often played during sports shows, sports highlights, > etc., doesn't mean that the artist gave consent or is receiving anything > more than royalties for it. > >Bruce's is "Born in the USA", for Chevrolet, > >according to > >http://www.wavethemes.net/commercials/magister_ludi_list > >.txt > >I don't think I've heard that one for myself though. > > They are completely f'ing wrong. Thank you, Miles, for restoring my faith in humanity. Or at least in Bruce's and Bono et al.'s. (Both of these, for those of you keeping score, fall into my "don't need the money/pre-existing known and loved song" category, and therefore shouldn't be made commercials of.) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Once he forgot what city he was in and saw an honor guard of four ::men marching toward him on the sidewalk, going from their guard duty ::to their barracks, and they carried rifles with fixed bayonets and ::wore embroidered tunics, pleated skirts and pompom slippers and he ::knew he wasn't in Milwaukee. --Don DeLillo, _Mao II_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:23:37 +0100 From: "Phil Gerrard" Subject: [loud-fans] aimee / heartbreakers / ads again Mark wrote: >I let a creative writing teacher borrow that lp years back, and, >though it is my favorite AM LP, she complained that the lyrics >were too full of cliches. I don't have the lyric sheet with me (oh, yeah, duh, like *that* would help), but my memory of the record is that Aimee, as on most of her stuff, only used cliches to invert them or play with them - Miles: >Oh, and Tom Petty is pretty much the model of consistency in >my book. Only a few folks, like Our Scott and Richard >Thompson, can trump him there -- of all Tom's records, the only >ones I'd even classify as mildly disappointing are LONG AFTER >DARK (great songs, tepid studio takes), FULL MOON FEVER >(a victim of Jeff Lynne Disease), and ECHO (good-to-great songs, >but 90% of 'em are stuck in midtempoland, a common thing over >the last 10 years). Mmm. 'Long After Dark' does have that kind of sheeny pseudo-New- Wave production which effectively neuters some of the songs, but my God, 'Straight Into Darkness' still kills me every time. I could handle the Jeff Lynne interference with 'Full Moon Fever', 'cause it more or less worked for the songs and it was a Petty solo album, but what he did to the Heartbreakers on 'Into the Great Wide Open' was less forgivable IMHO: that band had a great sense of dynamics which Lynne's production did its damndest to obscure. Aside from the Frito-Lay thing, Tom waits also had to deal with a Screamin' Jay Hawkins cover of 'Heartattack and Vine' being used without his permission for a Levi's ad. A parallel question, though - how come it's seen as OK for artists to advertise and endorse musical instruments, when the parent companies of the musical instrument manufacturers might make all kinds of other products which said artists would be branded as sell-outs for advertising? how'd that thing go - only stupid bastards use EMI, eh? nuthin' to offer but my own confusion - phil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:13:02 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] REDD Blood Cells Wondering what are other loud-fans thought of Steve MacDonald's dubbed version of the White Stripes album that was available as a download for awhile this summer? I haven't given it a side by side comparison, but from what I've heard I thinks it's a marked improvement. The original album is good, but more as a novelty that to me just doesn't hold up to repeated listens. MacDonald's, on the other hand, kicks.....well you know what. Many of the songs really benefited greatly from his addition of bass playing. - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:14:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] advertising-- what are the odds of this? On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Thank you, Miles, for restoring my faith in humanity. Or at least in > Bruce's and Bono et al.'s. I believe U2 had sponsorship form Kmart for their Popmart tour. It was supposed to be some clever comment on the disposability of popular music - all too accurate, considering POP is available for about $6 at Amoeba. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:15:31 -1000 From: "midpac" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] REDD Blood Cells It could just be that I have the hots for Meg White, but I liked both the White Stripes album (and their previous albums) and the MacDonald's additions. I am curious why you found it to be more of a novelty? R. Kevin Doyle - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Larry Tucker" Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:13:02 -0400 >Wondering what are other loud-fans thought of Steve MacDonald's dubbed >version of the White Stripes album that was available as a download for >awhile this summer? I haven't given it a side by side comparison, but >from what I've heard I thinks it's a marked improvement. The original >album is good, but more as a novelty that to me just doesn't hold up to >repeated listens. MacDonald's, on the other hand, kicks.....well you >know what. Many of the songs really benefited greatly from his addition >of bass playing. > >-Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:17:54 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Aimee Mann For any who like a Aimee's sound (or more specifically voice) but find her new album somewhat underwhelming check out Missy Roback's new album JUST LIKE BREATHING. This is a beauty! - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:23:37 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] REDD Blood Cells Maybe novelty wasn't the correct word to use, but I just found that I tired of RBC after about a half dozen listens and that MacDonald's bass playing actually opened my eyes (well ears) to how good some of these songs were. The songs weren't quite as raw and easier to listen to regardless of what you were in the mood to hear at the time. - -Larry |-----Original Message----- |From: midpac [mailto:rkdoyle@midpac.edu] |Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 3:16 PM |To: loud-fans@smoe.org |Subject: Re: [loud-fans] REDD Blood Cells | | |It could just be that I have the hots for Meg White, but I |liked both the White Stripes album (and their previous albums) |and the MacDonald's additions. I am curious why you found it |to be more of a novelty? | |R. Kevin Doyle | |---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- |From: "Larry Tucker" |Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:13:02 -0400 | |>Wondering what are other loud-fans thought of Steve |MacDonald's dubbed |>version of the White Stripes album that was available as a |download for |>awhile this summer? I haven't given it a side by side comparison, but |>from what I've heard I thinks it's a marked improvement. The original |>album is good, but more as a novelty that to me just doesn't |hold up to |>repeated listens. MacDonald's, on the other hand, kicks.....well you |>know what. Many of the songs really benefited greatly from |his addition |>of bass playing. |> |>-Larry | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:26:31 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Aimee Mann golly, the packaging is gorgeous! who cares what it sounds like when it looks this good? (& i hope people say that about my record too) - -- d. p.s. i like "nightmare girl," & i bet i'd like it better if i could strip the strings from it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:39:18 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] advertising-- what are the odds of this? At 12:14 PM 8/28/2002 -0700, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: >On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >> Thank you, Miles, for restoring my faith in humanity. Or at least in >> Bruce's and Bono et al.'s. > >I believe U2 had sponsorship form Kmart for their Popmart tour. It was >supposed to be some clever comment on the disposability of popular music - The sort of arch thing people seem to have gotten tired of -- and speaking of that, the stage had McDonalds-like arches. :-) I rather liked the insignia on Adam Clayton's orange jumpsuit: "Pop Tart." >all too accurate, considering POP is available for about $6 at Amoeba. Which is a damn shame. Color me contrarian, but I thought the direction U2 took with ACHTUNG, BABY, ZOOROPA, and POP was far more interesting (especially when they went close to all the way with the approach -- i.e., "Zoo Station" and "Mofo" beating the living crap out of more standard U2-ish fare on those same albums like "One" and "Staring at the Sun") than their overpraised "back-to-basics" ALL THAT YOU CAN'T LEAVE BEHIND. ATYCLB sounds to me like a retreat rather than a return to alleged "strengths" -- conventional, almost by-rote U2 that bores me to tears. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:52:54 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] advertising-- what are the odds of this? On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > Which is a damn shame. Color me contrarian, but I thought the direction U2 > took with ACHTUNG, BABY, ZOOROPA, and POP was far more interesting > (especially when they went close to all the way with the approach -- i.e., > "Zoo Station" and "Mofo" beating the living crap out of more standard i thought (and still think) that _achtung baby_ was a remarkably bold and strong record for a band at their career level, and i thought that "all you can't..." was ...ok. pleasant, but much safer. but lest anyone think i agree with miles about anything of any importance whatsoever, i thought _zooroopa_ was way lame -- can't recall what a single one of those songs sound like with a list in front of me -- and my first impression of wire's _read & burn_ is that it sounds like someone took what might be a good ep and dipped it in a vat of mud. but i'll give it another go. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:14:56 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] advertising-- what are the odds of this? At 03:52 PM 8/28/2002 -0400, dmw wrote: >but lest anyone think i agree with miles about anything of any importance >whatsoever, i thought _zooroopa_ was way lame -- can't recall what a >single one of those songs sound like with a list in front of me -- Off the top of my head: "Numb" (also had Big Hit Video) "Lemon" (I think it's fabulous, though many folks hate it -- how the heck anyone can hate a song with great contrapuntal Eno vox is beyond me) "Zooropa" "Daddy's Gonna Pay For" (your crashed car? The Sound of Breaking Glass. Back to the Eno connection.) The one Johnny Cash sings -- "The Wanderer?" "Stay, Faraway So Close!" That's gotta be about half the album right there, sans list. >and my >first impression of wire's _read & burn_ is that it sounds like someone >took what might be a good ep and dipped it in a vat of mud. You do know that it's *not* the Albini sessions? ;-) Seriously, our ears couldn't be more different on this one -- I think it sounds f'ing huge, just unbelievably loud, glistening, bracing stuff, and I love what Colin did with the sound. I do think it's meant to be played as loud as you can take it. I remember playing the RealAudio versions of "Comet" and "Art of Stopping" and thinking "huh, sorta unimpressive," but when the actual CD arrived, I put it on the big ol' home system, and it was like lifting a very heavy, thick curtain off of the music -- suddenly it was bigger than all outdoors and I was totally into it. And still am. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:21:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: [loud-fans] You Can Make It All Worthwhile If you want to hear li'l 17-year-old Scott play & sing "You Can Make It All Worthwhile," the song later covered by the Impatients, go to http://www.loudfamily.com/music.html and scroll down to "Game Theory fan club recordings." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:23:39 -0400 From: "Chris Murtland" Subject: [loud-fans] Where can I find information on giant monkeys For the second time in a month, the Recording Industry Association of America's (RIAA) Web site was attacked Wednesday, apparently by opponents of the industry group's efforts to shut down online music trading. http://minordamage.com/riaa_hack.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:46:23 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: [loud-fans] extreme fajitas Everyone thinks that the company they work for is the one parodied in the movie OFFICE SPACE. I have definitive proof that it's the company I work for. We just got an e-mail declaring next Wednesday "Tropical Shirts and Jeans Day". So there. Beat that. What's the difference between tropical shirts and Hawaiian shirts anyway? Are Hawaiian shirts a subset of tropical shirts? Or are they two totally different things? Latre. --Rog Yeahhhh... what I need you to do... is not listen to the new Aimee Mann album on company time... yeahhhh... can you do that? Thaaaaanks. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #305 *******************************