From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #284 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, August 16 2002 Volume 02 : Number 284 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] limited edition Rain Parade CD now available ! ["Ian Runeckle] [loud-fans] Amy Rigby OOP CDs at Milesofmusic.com [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] horribly off topic [Miles Goosens ] [loud-fans] Re: horribly off topic [John Cooper ] Re:Re: [loud-fans] horribly off topic [dana-boy@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] Amy Rigby OOP CDs at Milesofmusic.com [Steve Holtebeck Subject: [loud-fans] limited edition Rain Parade CD now available ! This was on the Paisley Pop list - Matt Piucci is a regular poster... Ian > RAIN PARADE Perfume River CD > > A limited edition of only 1000 copies! 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This is not a CD-R, this a real disc. > > For mail order - contact Mod Lang Records in Berkeley, CA > email: naomi@modlang.com > or phone them at 510 486 1880 > they accept all kinds of credit cards and will ship world wide at good > prices. you can also work out details to send them checks/money orders > as well. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:56:43 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] Amy Rigby OOP CDs at Milesofmusic.com I have them all already, but for those who don't -- Amy Rigby has provided milesofmusic.com with copies of her three CDs, which Koch deleted the moment they put out her recent best-of comp. So if you've put off getting them, well, at least for right now, you're in luck. I love 'em all, especially THE SUGAR TREE. See http://www.milesofmusic.com for details, and no, they don't pay me a commission even though they stole my honorific. Oh, and this is as good a time as any to enter a dissent against doug's long-held wish that Amy's records be more spare-guitar Amy and less produced. Since Amy moved to Nashville a few years ago, I've had many opportunities to see her perform, almost always solo/acoustic. And while she's got an engaging personality and great songs, neither her singing nor her guitar strumming are strong enough by their lonesomes to do justice to the songs (IMO, of course). I always come away from Amy's solo shows even more appreciative of the album versions, especially Brad Jones' nuanced and supportive job on THE SUGAR TREE. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:03:15 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: [loud-fans] Amy Rigby, Kay Hanley, Tuuli > doug's long-held wish that Amy's records be more spare-guitar Amy I have never seen Amy Rigby play live, but I'm with doug that I like her *recordings* better in seemingly inverse correlation to the amount of production applied to them. Amy+guitar=good. Amy+ragged rock band=good. Amy+"sophistication"=not as convincing. On this same general topic, has anybody else heard Kay Hanley's solo record yet? I've only listened to it once, last night, but I was none too pleased. She too has gone for what I guess is intended to be pop sophistication, and I found myself wondering what Ally McBeal-ish TV show she was hoping to get drafted by. But on the burdened-by-no-sophistication-at-all end of the spectrum, I'm provisionally pretty happy with Tuuli's debut album "Here We Go". Fast, simple and happy, like the band the Donnas might have been if _The Powerpuff Girls_ had been around when they were younger and more impressionable. glenn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:03:18 -0700 From: Michael Zwirn Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Amy Rigby, Kay Hanley, Tuuli On 8/16/02 8:03 AM, glenn mcdonald wrote: >> doug's long-held wish that Amy's records be more spare-guitar Amy > > I have never seen Amy Rigby play live, but I'm with doug that I like her > *recordings* better in seemingly inverse correlation to the amount of > production applied to them. Amy+guitar=good. Amy+ragged rock band=good. > Amy+"sophistication"=not as convincing. I like her solo, simple, straightforward. The bossa nova experiments and whatnot don't do much for me. last played: Almost Famous soundtrack - -------------------------------------- Michael J. Zwirn, Environmental Policy Analyst http://zwirn.com michael@zwirn.com Home: 503/232-8919 Cell: 503/887-9800 Fax: 503/232-0228 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:26:52 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Amy Rigby, Kay Hanley, Tuuli At 11:03 AM 8/16/2002 -0400, glenn wrote: >> doug's long-held wish that Amy's records be more spare-guitar Amy > >I have never seen Amy Rigby play live, but I'm with doug that I like her >*recordings* better in seemingly inverse correlation to the amount of >production applied to them. Amy+guitar=good. I think Amy + another person playing guitar too might = good. Amy's own playing is straight from the "strum the chord" school, and it just ain't enuff IMO. Not to privilege my experiences seeing her live (again, live, her personality is completely winning & witty, just as you'd expect), but this particular shortcoming gets really exposed when she does those "songwriters-trading-off-songs" shows, where her basic technique has to compete with the playing of Paul Burch, Mike Ireland, Lonesome Bob, Phil Lee, etc. Not all these guys are sophisticated pickers, but their guitar work supports their songs much more ably than Amy's does. >Amy+ragged rock band=good. Agreed. Always fun, wish she'd perform this way more often. >Amy+"sophistication"=not as convincing. Again, I'll have to dissent. I'm often an advocate of "less is more," but many of the arrangements on her albums are just gloriously poppy and make tremendous use of the big sound. I know Larry Tucker is also a big fan of THE SUGAR TREE... later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:30:14 -0500 From: Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Amy Rigby, Kay Hanley, Tuuli Amy+anything=good, in my book.... That song, "Magicians" off of The Sugar Tree always give me shivers... is that one of the songs that you would consider "sophisticated"? And that other song off of the Sugar Tree.. I forgot the name.... She sounds like she is being backed by NRBQ... very cool! But I still think Diary of a Mod Houswife is her best effort.... Sad to see that the her 3 oiriginal albums are out of print... Does anyone here own the compilation? How are the unreleased tracks? Worth price of admission? (Used, promo or otherwise) Agreed. Always fun, wish she'd perform this way more often. >Amy+"sophistication"=not as convincing. Again, I'll have to dissent. I'm often an advocate of "less is more," but many of the arrangements on her albums are just gloriously poppy and make tremendous use of the big sound. I know Larry Tucker is also a big fan of THE SUGAR TREE... later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:44:48 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Amy Rigby, Kay Hanley, Tuuli > How are the unreleased tracks? Worth price of admission? No. As I recall, the wording on the sticker implied that there were a *few* bonus tracks, but in fact there is one unreleased song and one demo version, neither of which struck me as reasons to listen to the comp repeatedly, much less purchase it to begin with. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:56:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Amy Rigby OOP CDs at Milesofmusic.com On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > I have them all already, but for those who don't -- Amy Rigby has provided > milesofmusic.com with copies of her three CDs, which Koch deleted the > moment they put out her recent best-of comp. So if you've put off getting > them, well, at least for right now, you're in luck. I love 'em all, > especially THE SUGAR TREE. Thanks for the heads-up. I've ordered the one I hadn't picked up - _Middlescence_. You can add me to the "+band" category...no surprise, probably. And _The Sugar Tree_ was one of my top releases of whatever year that was. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::beliefs are ideas going bald:: __Francis Picabia__ np: Starflyer 59 _Fashion Focus_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:00:35 -0400 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Amy Rigby, Kay Hanley, Tuuli At 10:30 AM 8/16/2002 -0500, Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com wrote: >Does anyone here own the compilation? How are the unreleased tracks? >Worth price of admission? (Used, promo or otherwise) The one new song, "Keep It To Yourself", has been available from Amy's website for a while now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:04:12 -0700 (PDT) From: michael@zwirn.com Subject: [loud-fans] Amy Rigby On 8/16/02 9:00 AM, Michael Bowen wrote: > At 10:30 AM 8/16/2002 -0500, Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com wrote: > >> Does anyone here own the compilation? How are the unreleased tracks? >> Worth price of admission? (Used, promo or otherwise) > > The one new song, "Keep It To Yourself", has been available from Amy's > website for a while now. Yeah, but I presume the version on the CD isn't encoded as a 56kps MP3... Sheesh. Michael - -- "Everything dies, baby, that's a fact But maybe everything that dies someday comes back" Bruce Springsteen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:05:28 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Amy Rigby, Kay Hanley, Tuuli glenn mcdonald wrote: > > > How are the unreleased tracks? Worth price of admission? > > No. As I recall, the wording on the sticker implied that there were a *few* > bonus tracks, but in fact there is one unreleased song and one demo version, > neither of which struck me as reasons to listen to the comp repeatedly, much > less purchase it to begin with. I think the bonus track, "Keep It To Yourself", is one of the best things Amy has ever done, and worth the price of admission all by itself. She had a 64kbps mp3 available for download at www.amyrigby.com, but it's great to have a better quality version of that song. The demo of "Magicians" is also worth hearing repeatedly, but it's no match with the finished version (strangely not included on the compilation). - -Steve who's seen Amy Rigby live both solo and with a band, and also thinks "with a band" is the best way to see her. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:10:47 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] Sweet (M., not "the") At 09:21 AM 8/15/2002 +0000, phil.gerrard@ntlworld.com wrote: >Umm - dunno, I'd have said that song-for-song, '100% Fun' is stronger, but I >wouldn't want to give up 'Falling', from 'Beast', for anything. It's mighty >excessive and atypical, but something about it gets to me in a way that >'Smog Moon' doesn't quite. I have been pleasantly surprised to see my favorite Matthew Sweet album, ALTERED BEAST, get so many good mentions in this thread. There's just something about this set of songs that gets the job done for me, I think in large part because of the superlative guitar work -- I'm a sucker for strong melodies backed by nasty feedback-drenched guitars, and ALTERED BEAST serves this formula up as well as anyone has ever managed. I'll second Stewart on the so-so nature of the pre-GIRLFRIEND albums, and I like all the others a lot. superdeformed?, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:21:18 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Amy Rigby OOP CDs at Milesofmusic.com |-----Original Message----- |From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey [mailto:jenor@csd.uwm.edu] |Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 11:56 AM |To: Bucky...Firewoman...and John Cameron Swayze.... |Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Amy Rigby OOP CDs at Milesofmusic.com | | |On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: | |> I have them all already, but for those who don't -- Amy Rigby has |> provided |> milesofmusic.com with copies of her three CDs, which Koch |deleted the |> moment they put out her recent best-of comp. So if you've |put off getting |> them, well, at least for right now, you're in luck. I love 'em all, |> especially THE SUGAR TREE. | |Thanks for the heads-up. I've ordered the one I hadn't picked |up - _Middlescence_. You can add me to the "+band" |category...no surprise, probably. And _The Sugar Tree_ was one |of my top releases of whatever year that was. | |--Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey I also really liked Sugar Tree, and I think the main reason was the band which included Will Kimbrough. I saw her live with Will Kimbrough's band as her backing band a couple of years ago and they were capable of anything from endearing sweetness to out right rockin'. Will is really an underknown talent. Back to Amy, I find her songs, lyrics and performance very sexy in her own self-deprecating way. - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:15:50 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a review is not as good as a CD At 01:03 AM 8/15/2002 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >The last couple of swaps have been confusing...I don't know what order the >CDs that arrived were supposed to arrive in, since neither of them came >from parties who originally were supposed to send them to me. Anyway, one >of them was from Stewart Mason, who entitled the CD "Turn Up the Good, >Turn Down the Suck!" That phrase is from a bit of dialogue excerpted from >a film called _FUBAR_, which as far as I can tell from his description >(and from the excerpts hereon) is sort of a live-action _Beavis & >Butt-head_, only involving Canadians. I also described it as "If Spinal Tap were about the fans instead of the band." It's really quite an enjoyable little film, with a better story than I expected. >2 - The Original Sins "She's On My Side": This one sets the tone for the >CD, which is heavy on the garage rockin'. My scribbled notes say "garage >rvokz" - I can't read the second word. Anyway, I also noted the presence >of "poppy ba-ba-ba's" and have no better way of pluralizing "ba-ba-ba" >than using an apostrophe. I also noted that I thought it was period - but >it ain't, it's from 1991. Stewart's notes likewise praise the band for >this impressive act of time travelling. As mentioned, this is not at all a representative Original Sins tune, but it's by far the best thing they ever did. >4 - Redd Kross "Citadel": A very cool cover of the Rolling Stones song, >from their stupidly underrated _Their Satanic Majesties' Request_. It has >a reputation as an ill-fated _Pepper_ copy (Stewart probably thinks it's >*better* than Pepper - he and I do agree that it's a fine album) I know I play it more often than PEPPER, and I certainly play it more often than anything the Stones did after EXILE. I'm actually considering buying the reissued CD that's coming out next week, even though I've never bothered to upgrade from my old Stones LPs. >> 6. "Your Daddy Don't Know" -- The New Pornographers >> (Source: FUBAR: THE ALBUM, Aquarius/EMI 2002, CD) > >Another cover - in this case of '80s hair-metalists Toronto. Riffarama! >R-O-C-K in the [something-something - geographically challenged]...Bay? >And...Neko! The FUBAR soundtrack is worth it for this song alone. >> 8. "Stop Showing Up In My Dreams" -- Amy Rigby >> (Source: THE SUGAR TREE, Koch 2000, CD) > >Let's see...sitar intro, a trem'd up guitar playing a salsa riff with a >garage-rock beat (not as odd as you'd think: keep in mind how many key >players in the sixties garage thing were Latino), cheesy organ that nearly >quotes "96 Tears" near the end...one of the cooler tracks from a very fine >album. Not to mention I think this is absolutely one of the most clever lyrics I've heard in some years. > >> 9. "Half A Boy and Half A Man" -- Nick Lowe >> (Source: NICK LOWE AND HIS COWBOY OUTFIT, Columbia 1984, LP) > >The same organ from the last track is moved to a roller rink in which the >Sir Douglas Quintet rehearses. Nick Lowe really should be way huger than >he is. My dad once compared this song to the German-Mexican polka bands that used to play the roadhouses he and my mom went to when they were teenagers in the Texas hill country in the late '40s -- I have a couple of CDs of vintage recordings by these bands, and I totally see the connection. >> 10. "Biff Bang Pow" -- The Creation >> (Source: PAINTER MAN, Edsel 1993, CD) > >Who-like riff, very cool drum breaks at the ends of verses, a guitar solo >that proceeds by spastic interruption...my only complaint is the Nicky >Hopkins-like piano is so buried in the mix. The piano player probably *was* Nicky Hopkins! >> 11. "Moneytalks" -- AC/DC >> (Source: THE RAZOR'S EDGE, Atlantic 1990, CD) > >Straight-up hard pop, the last word apt because of the solid chorus and >sense that the guitar crunch serves the song and not vice versa. I like >the syncopation in the verses, which pushes the rhythm and makes emphatic >the words of the chorus. As much as I like most of the classic AC/DC (or as Charity calls them, "the band with the singer who sounds like a catfight") tracks, this is still my absolute favorite single they've ever done. >> 22. "Say Hello To Jamie Jones" -- The Red Crayola >> (Source: GOD BLESS THE RED CRAYOLA AND ALL WHO SAIL WITH IT, International >> Artists 1968, CD) > >A brilliantly odd, rather disjointed rhythm that somehow reminds me of >Snakefinger a bit. Very minimal...but not at all minimal*ist*. Yeah, this *does* sound like Snakefinger, doesn't it? What I love about this song is the way that not only does it have only three musical elements - -- Mayo Thompson's vocal, Steve Cunningham's drums and what's-his-name's bass -- but it's so stripped down that you never hear all three at once. And, as always, I'm still tickled by the fact that this group's original drummer was novelist Frederick Barthelme. >> 27. "John Coltrane's 'My Favorite Things'" - Consonant >> (Source: CONSONANT, Fenway 2002, CD) > >Anyway, this one contrasts a flowing rhythmic feel in >the verses with a syncopated push/pull in its choruses, and makes its >somewhat odd, unusual structure and sequence feel perfectly natural. Buy >this album now. It wasn't until I'd heard this song several times that I realized that although the chorus is the same throughout, each verse is entirely unlike the one before. Yet it never sounds "arty" or "difficult." This is something that I could imagine Scott writing, actually. >> 31. "The Great Valediction" - Flop >> (Source: WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, Epic 1994, CD) > >The name's just asking for it...but the band plays around its self-imposed >handicap. This one has a nice galloping rhythm and tuneful rxss (can't >read my writing again - damn!) - plus some very unexpected warped horns or >synths or something. GOD NO NOT HORNS! (That was a joke, son.) I *think* those are synths, but they may avctually be well-processed vocal parts. Many thanks for the kind words, Jeff. Larry's welcome to leap in if he has anything to add, as well! S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:31:10 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a review is not as good as a CD >3 - New York Dolls "Trash": A classic! "How do you call your lover boy?" >If you don't have this song, please remedy that fault quickly, with or >without benefit of copyright law. I'm fond of the live-in-Paris version (that's from a whole live-in-Paris session, isn't it?), where Jo Hansen intones, "Le TRASH...Le...gar-BEGE..." and during the mid-song breakdown, "les poupees du New York." Still, "how you gonna call your lover boy" is from something else, right? Just like "meanwhile, I'm still thinkin'"... >> 16. "I Can't Control Myself" -- The Troggs >> (Source: VINTAGE YEARS, Sire 1976, LP) >> >> Would you let this man within fifty yards of your daughter? Easily one of >> the raunchiest vocal performances in my memory. > >Well, true - but the backing vocals are a bit fey, and almost ironize the >rest of the song. Still: how can you not love a guy named "Reg Presley"? I know I've mentioned this onlist before, but Reg is "only" an affected Presley. His original surname--and given the nature of Troggs music you wonder why he changed it--was "Ball." I agree though, the finest obscene phone caller in the history of the microphone. A sad day in memorium for that other Presley chap... Andy There's sad news for Patches Pals. Bob Newman, who started playing Gertrude on KIRO-TV's "The J.P. Patches Show" in 1960, is retiring, hanging up his clown costume dress, wig and inflatable bra; for good. Newman jokes, "I'm no longer Seattle's leading cross-dresser." The kids' show left the air in 1981, but J.P. Patches (aka Chris Wedes) and Newman have remained constantly popular, playing fairs and parties. They made their last joint appearance Sunday at the Grays Harbor County Fair. It was there that Wedes announced Newman's retirement. "I've had a great ride," Newman says. But he adds that he's not moving as well as he once did. (He has lived with multiple sclerosis for 35 years.) He plans to continue working as a TV makeup artist and indulging his passion for classy cars. He belongs to the Corvette Marque Club and has a 2000 Corvette and an '87 El Camino. He says, "They're the hottest thing at intersections. You should see the young women who ask me for a ride." [--from Jean Godden's column in the Seattle Times, August 14, 2002] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:36:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Pete O." Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Amy Rigby, Kay Hanley, Tuuli - --- Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com wrote: > Amy+anything=good, in my book.... > That song, "Magicians" off of The Sugar Tree always give me shivers... is > that one of the songs that you would consider "sophisticated"? > And that other song off of the Sugar Tree.. I forgot the name.... She > sounds like she is being backed by NRBQ... very cool! > But I still think Diary of a Mod Houswife is her best effort.... Sad to > see that the her 3 oiriginal albums are out of print... Can't say that I've ever heard any of her work but I am intrigued by the AllMusic review of "Mod Housewife". They seem to think it's comparable to Tracy Chapman's first, Shawn Colvin's "Steady On" and... wait for it... Camper Van Beethoven's "Key Lime Pie". http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=A9u5m96oofepo - - HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:02:42 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Amy Rigby OOP CDs at Milesofmusic.com At 12:21 PM 8/16/2002 -0400, Larry Tucker wrote: >I also really liked Sugar Tree, and I think the main reason was the band >which included Will Kimbrough. I saw her live with Will Kimbrough's band >as her backing band a couple of years ago and they were capable of >anything from endearing sweetness to out right rockin'. Will is really >an underknown talent. I like Will too. It required some rethinking on my part, since (1) I hadn't been as impressed with Will & the Bushmen as I was with a score of '80s Nashville rock contemporaries, and (2) I had always associated them with an incident at a Vandy frat party (c. 1989) that was at best unwise and at worst outright racist. But in the '90s, I got to see what a great guitarist Will was when he backed faves like Josh Rouse and Tommy Womack, and I also learned (now confirmed beyond a doubt) that the jerk in Will & the Bushmen who fomented the aforementioned incident was bassist Mark Pfaff. So mark me in the Kimbrough column too. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:58:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a review is not as good as a CD On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Andrew Hamlin wrote: > Still, "how you gonna call your lover boy" is from something else, right? > Just like "meanwhile, I'm still thinkin'"... Dunno - but the punchline (the title) is what cracks me up every time. Speaking of, whatever else one can say about Stephen Malkmus, he's written lines in two songs that crack me up. The one, from "Gangsters and Pranksters," is the bit about "I've got all this Harvard LSD/Why won't anyone fuck me?" Malkmus's delivery is perfect. The other one nearly caused an accident on the Illinois Tollway last week as Rose and I heard it for the first time on a recently acquired CD-R of Pavement b-sides: the lines in "Harness Your Hopes" that run "Show me a word that rhymes with Pavement/And I won't kill your parents/And roast them on a spit." Again, half of it's the delivery... Still searching for "I Love Perth," "Teenage Piss Party," and "Black Walls"...and probably a few more I can't recall... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Californians invented the concept of the life-style. ::This alone warrants their doom. __Don DeLillo, WHITE NOISE__ np: The Shazam s/t ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:04:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a review is not as good as a CD On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Andrew Hamlin wrote: > Still, "how you gonna call your lover boy" is from something else, right? From "Love Is Strange" by Mickey & Sylvia - Sylvia being Sylvia Robinson of "Pillow Talk" and Sugar Hill fame. > Just like "meanwhile, I'm still thinkin'"... The outro of "Get It On" by T. Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:07:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a review is not as good as a CD On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > > Just like "meanwhile, I'm still thinkin'"... > > The outro of "Get It On" by T. Rex No, I'm pretty sure they borrowed it from a Chuck Berry song. Anybody? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Oxygen isn't a text:: __David Robbins__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:12:17 -0500 From: Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a review is not as good as a CD Yep... "Little Queenie", I believe..... Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey To: Account 7870 Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a review is not as good as a CD Sent by: owner-loud-fans@s moe.org 08/16/02 01:07 PM On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > > Just like "meanwhile, I'm still thinkin'"... > > The outro of "Get It On" by T. Rex No, I'm pretty sure they borrowed it from a Chuck Berry song. Anybody? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Oxygen isn't a text:: __David Robbins__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:12:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a review is not as good as a CD On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > > > > Just like "meanwhile, I'm still thinkin'"... > > > > The outro of "Get It On" by T. Rex > > No, I'm pretty sure they borrowed it from a Chuck Berry song. Anybody? "Little Queenie" - Bolan might've nicked it from there. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:19:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a review is not as good as a CD On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > "Little Queenie" - Bolan might've nicked it from there. http://www.epinions.com/content_67740929668 - about 1/2way down the page... One man's epinion... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:16:41 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a review is not as good as a CD At 01:12 PM 8/16/02 -0500, Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com wrote: >Yep... "Little Queenie", I believe..... Which is also quoted in the fade-out of Queen's "Now I'm Here". Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley Thou art the man. The Holy Bible (The Old Testament): _The Second Book of Samuel_, chapter 12, verse 7 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:21:26 -0700 From: "me" Subject: [loud-fans] horribly off topic help! i have to interview folks for a job that requires complex (but not that difficult) technical knowledge which very few people ever learn, so i can't very well ask them if they know it, cuz they don't. so. what's the magic interview question that determines if someone can learn rapidly and thoroughly? - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:33:08 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] horribly off topic At 11:21 AM 8/16/2002 -0700, me wrote: >what's the magic interview question that determines if someone can learn >rapidly and thoroughly? You throw them Rubik's Grenade then get the heck out of the room. all props to SNL, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:39:10 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] horribly off topic On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:21:26 -0700, me wrote: >help! i have to interview folks for a job that requires complex (but not that >difficult) technical knowledge which very few people ever learn, so i can't >very well ask them if they know it, cuz they don't. > >so. > >what's the magic interview question that determines if someone can learn >rapidly and thoroughly? As you know, there is none. We had pretty good success (small software company with fewer than 5 programmers) with creating a small programming test that the applicant designed a solution and wrote code for. The end results weren't as important as the questions asked and the process they went through in reaching a solution. Generally the two lead software engineers (me and another guy) gave this test, and it also helped us see how well we would be able to work with this person. This might not apply in your situation, but maybe it will help you think of a parallel technique that will. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:51:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] horribly off topic On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, me wrote: > what's the magic interview question that determines if someone can learn > rapidly and thoroughly? Assuming they haven't heard it, ask them to table-drum along with the middle section of Yes's "The Gates of Delirium" - and then make a graph of all the time signatures. Okay, that might not work - you might end up hiring a mathematically inclined drummer. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::beliefs are ideas going bald:: __Francis Picabia__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:57:56 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] horribly off topic > what's the magic interview question that determines if > someone can learn rapidly and thoroughly? How about "You don't mind forwarding me your college transcript, right?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:05:44 -0700 From: John Cooper Subject: [loud-fans] Re: horribly off topic On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, you wrote: > what's the magic interview question that determines if someone can learn > rapidly and thoroughly? "Are you willing to take this copy of INTERBABE CONCERN, listen to it for three days, and write me an essay comparing your initial impression with your considered opinion?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 19:19:27 GMT From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re:Re: [loud-fans] horribly off topic > what's the magic interview question that determines if > someone can learn rapidly and thoroughly? >>>>>>>>>>> Why not give them some information to learn rapidly, and then test them to see if they learned it thoroughly? Just an idea. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:35:55 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Amy Rigby OOP CDs at Milesofmusic.com Larry Tucker wrote: > I also really liked Sugar Tree, and I think the main reason was the band > which included Will Kimbrough. I saw her live with Will Kimbrough's band > as her backing band a couple of years ago and they were capable of > anything from endearing sweetness to out right rockin'. Will is really > an underknown talent. When I saw Amy Rigby on the Sugar Tree tour, her backing band included Will Kimbrough's band with Tony Gilkyson(sp? the guy who replaced Billy Zoom in X) joining in. They rocked the house. Last time Amy came through the Bay Area, a few months ago, she was playing solo, and it was interesting and entertaining and all, but nowhere near as powerful as the earlier show with Will Kimbrough & band. "Stop Showing Up In My Dreams" is another great song that's strangely missing from the Mod Housewife Anthology. There are a bunch of great songs on the SUGAR TREE album. Fans of the folkier Amy Rigby material should check out her former band, the Shams, who put out one full-length and one EP on Matador in the early 90s, both worth picking up. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:42:26 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a review is not as good as a CD At 12:58 PM 8/16/2002 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Andrew Hamlin wrote: > >> Still, "how you gonna call your lover boy" is from something else, right? >> Just like "meanwhile, I'm still thinkin'"... > >Dunno - but the punchline (the title) is what cracks me up every time. The dialogue in Mickey and Sylvia's "Love Is Strange" -- one of my favorite singles of the '50s -- is pretty classic too: Mickey: Sylvia? How you gonna call your lover boy? Sylvia: C'MERE, LOVERBOY! Mickey: And if he don't come? Sylvia: Ohhhhhhhhhhhh, loverboyyyyyyyy??? Mickey: And if he still don't come? Sylvia: BAY-bee, whoa oh oh, BAY-bee (repeat to fade) Genius. And it's the bellowing delivery on the first bit that makes it. S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:37:13 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Am I a Hypocrite? At 08:45 AM 8/13/2002 -0400, Larry Tucker wrote: >I agree with you totally, give me the grit, but I would reverse your >rankings of BEAST and GIRLFRIEND. GIRLFRIEND really has this timeless >quality, just like the Tuesday Weld cover photo. I really can't get >enough of Robert Quine's and Richard Lloyd's guitar work on that one. >Many of the songs sound as though they were recorded live though I've >never read anything to confirm this. I can't confirm it either, but I thought it'd be worth mentioning that the band on GIRLFRIEND (Quine, Sweet, Maher) is essentially the same group that performs my favorite album of 1990, Lloyd Cole's self-titled solo debut (also known as _X_). And if memory serves, LC himself is part of the choice guitar section on GIRLFRIEND, at least for five or six songs. The playing on both albums is red-hot, so I think there's a good chance that if you like one of 'em, you'll like the other too. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:47:44 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tape review - Andrea Weiss' 'Forms Of Pop' At 10:04 PM 8/13/2002 +0100, md.robbins wrote: >Many thanks to Andrea for both the tape and her considered, informative >notes. And her perseverence in the face of my woefully tardy >communications. So, with the usual brace of malapropisms and 'one >foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel', on with da verbiage.... And what verbiage it was! I just wanted to thank Mr. mdr for a nifty piece of writing that kept me entertained even during paragraphs with which I take violent issue (re: Kirsty MacColl), which means that I liked the review quite a bit indeed. Of course, *I* need to get inspired and write a bunch of swap reviews of my own... things are being enjoyed here, but as Jeffrey rightfully reminded me, I need to return the courtesy and effort of these kind contributors... later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:53:54 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] EC, but not G At 11:15 AM 8/12/2002 +0000, phil.gerrard@ntlworld.com wrote: >Jeff wrote: > >>(That is, I like the outro to "Layla." I also like the >song itself. But >the remake? If something really good >is "to die for," apparently the remake >is to live for.) > >I remember Pete Townshend, in full-on curmudgeon mode, making a speech >before presenting Clapton with some 'lifetime achievement' award, in which >he praised everything Eric had ever done except the unplugged 'Layla', about >which he said 'it's bossa nova karaoke and I fucking hate it'. The >photograph which shows the look on Clapton's face as he accepted the award >is just priceless... Holy cow! I wish I had heard this (anyone in possession of it care to slip it onto a future swap CD?), since that "unplugged" somnolent latter-day "Layla" seemed like euthanasia-while-u-wait. In fact, Clapton performed it as though already euthanized. Of course, Townshend is like the Bible or Marx -- he's said so many things over the years that he can now be quoted in support of *or* against any given notion. later, Miles, who as a kid wondered what all the fuss over the "youth in Asia" was about and concluded it must have to do with the Vietnam War ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #284 *******************************