From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #282 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, August 15 2002 Volume 02 : Number 282 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] June LoudSwap review [Dan Sallitt ] Re: [loud-fans] trying again- help me crash and kill [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] Spoon? [Aaron Mandel ] Re: Re: [loud-fans] Am I a Hypocrite? ["jer fairall" ] [loud-fans] crash into the woods [dana-boy@juno.com] [loud-fans] crash - mystery solved(ns) [dana-boy@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] a quiet womble / falling smog / query [Dan Sallitt ] Re: [loud-fans] chills, pink frost [michael@zwirn.com] Re: [loud-fans] chills, pink frost [michael@zwirn.com] Re:Re: [loud-fans] trying again- help me crash and kill [dana-boy@juno.co] Re: [loud-fans] trying again- help me crash and kill [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] chills, pink frost [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] Trouser Press [Bill Silvers ] [loud-fans] 3 degrees of separation from Scott Miller to Kevin Gilbert ["] Re: [loud-fans] 3 degrees of separation from Scott Miller to Kevin Gilbert ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] Trouser Press [Dana Paoli ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:33:19 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] June LoudSwap review > -- but no, I agree with Michael Bowen: > it sounds to me like the horns (and strings, don't forget the strings!) on > "Can't Hardly Wait" are a direct homage to Alex Chilton's blue-eyed soul > days in the Box Tops. It sounds just like that sort of arrangement, which > producer Jim Dickenson was certainly entirely aware of, and I tend to > believe that was their intention. The interesting thing is that the first recorded version of "Can't Hardly Wait" that I know of is from a set of 1985 Sire demos produced by Alex Chilton. No horns or strings, of course. There are two other Sire demos from the same tape produced by Tommy Erdelyi (Ramone), including an acoustic "Can't Hardly Wait" that's rather memorable. All the other songs on these demos wound up on TIM. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:37:08 -1000 From: "midpac" Subject: Re: Can't Hardly Wait (was Re: [loud-fans] June LoudSwapreview) For the record, you can find an alternate version of "Can't Hardly Wait" (recorded for "Tim") on "All for Nothing, Nothing for All." R. Kevin Doyle Honolulu, HI - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: dmw Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:48:56 -0400 (EDT) >On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Bill Silvers wrote: > >> It's just another interpretation, but I have it on good authority from the >> house's resident Replacements expert that "Can't Hardly Wait" was done >> pretty much as an "OK here it is, shut up already" by the band, who had >> been doing the song live even before the release of LET IT BE. Said expert > >i remember a contemporaneous interview with westerberg, who said something >very much along the lines of "i'm not convinced about the strings, but >when the horns kick in, i'm like, 'yeah, that's the replacements!'" > >-- d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 04:19:39 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a review is not as good as a CD Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > > 27. "John Coltrane's 'My Favorite Things'" - Consonant > > (Source: CONSONANT, Fenway 2002, CD) > > Our own Jen Grover (I think it was her) reviewed this album and, in > anatomizing Burma, noted that if Roger Miller was the band's brains, Peter > Prescott its guts, then Conley was its heart. Hey, someone's been reading my reviews! What I actually said was, " If Roger Miller was the guts of Mission of Burma, Clint Conley was the heart, his songs and vocals tapping into a more emotional vein, infusing ache into the marriage of sonic assault and artsy intellectualism that was Burma." But I like your anatomy chart, as well. > (I don't know what that made > Martin Swope...its appendix?) LOL! Love it! > That's as good an analogy as any...as long > as you remember that the heart is a muscle that pumps harder than anything > else in the body, as well as being romantically associated with melody, > poetry, and feeling. Yep, that's pretty much what I was getting at. > Anyway, this one contrasts a flowing rhythmic feel in > the verses with a syncopated push/pull in its choruses, and makes its > somewhat odd, unusual structure and sequence feel perfectly natural. Buy > this album now. This album is sure to make my Top 5 this year, and this song is one of my favorite things (sorry, couldn't resist) off it. I just put this on someone's mix tape that I sent out recently, and wanted so badly to follow it with John Coltrane's "My Favorite Things," but discovered to my dismay that I don't actually have it, and I really thought I did. Figures. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 04:29:36 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: [loud-fans] trying again- help me crash and kill I see that my last post hit my inbox immediately, though a post I sent considerably longer ago did not. If it turns up again, my apologies. You never really know with these things. Anyway, here is what I asked about. I've been reminiscing over my old radio tapes lately, and still trying to find some of these things to buy "real" copies of. One song I have is a dark, dreamy number which, according to the DJ (and they did sometimes screw up) is "Don't Look Now" by Crash. The only info at all I have found out online is at these two links, neither of which provides a tracklist. I know nothing about the band in question, so I don't know if this is even the right band. All this stuff is apparently out of print and I have not found it for sale, used or otherwise, anywhere online tonight. I'm almost positive the radio tape itself is pre-1991. Can anyone shed some light? http://www.artistdirect.com/music/artist/card/0,,418372,00.html http://www.allmusicguide.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=B8waxqj5bojsa There are so, so many songs on my radio tapes that I still love, despite playing them to death for years, that I don't know for sure who or what they are, some I have no clue at all, and some I'm sure are wrongly attributed. Web searches are proving futile for many of them. It's very discouraging. Most of this stuff is probably out of print and was never widely available to start with. For instance, does anyone know the song "Kill Kill Kill Kill" by McCarthy? I have a song on tape that is supposed to be that, but I just read a brief description of it in a review that doesn't sound like it would be the same song. I can't find lyrics to it or a sample of it up anywhere, so I just don't know. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 9:21:17 +0000 From: Subject: [loud-fans] a quiet womble / falling smog / query Vallor, re the guy accused of plagiarising 4'33" : > He's some po-mo goofball who hasn't a clue what the > piece was about in the first place. The chap in question is Mike Batt, not somebody I'd ever thought of as po-mo before now, but, on reflection, to progress from working with the Wombles, writing the music for 'Watership Down', and composing anthems for Conservative party conferences to nicking Mr Cage's ideas is about as po-mo a career path as one could wish for. Come to think of it, 4'33" would probably be an appropriate anthem for the next Conservative party conference anyway... Doug - > i'm reversing my earlier opinion: song by song, "beast" trumps "fun." > "beast" really falls off in the second half, though, while "fun" ends > with the killer "smog moon." Umm - dunno, I'd have said that song-for-song, '100% Fun' is stronger, but I wouldn't want to give up 'Falling', from 'Beast', for anything. It's mighty excessive and atypical, but something about it gets to me in a way that 'Smog Moon' doesn't quite. I may have missed a discussion or two while I was off-list, but what's the general feeling about the new Tommy Keene? I haven't picked it up yet: I know I will eventually, but I was just wondering whether I should make it a priority purchase. peace & love phil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:53:44 -0400 From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] trying again- help me crash and kill > I've been reminiscing over my old radio tapes lately, and still > trying to find some of these things to buy "real" copies of. One > song I have is a dark, dreamy number which, according to the DJ (and they > did sometimes screw up) is "Don't Look Now" by Crash. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't give the full answer, but Crash was a band that Kurt Ralske (later of Ultra Vivid Scene) played in. But, he didn't sing, and they didn't sound anything like UVS. The track listing on their only album "I Feel Fine" which came out in 1986 (Allmusic is combining their listing with a different band, I'm just about 100% sure) doesn't include a song called "Don't Look Now." If no-one else figures out what the above was first, I'll be listening to the album tonight (haven't played it in a while because it's pretty bad) to see if any of the songs could be mistaken for "Don't Look Now." This album also features Linda Smith on backing vocals on one song: there was a connection between Crash and Linda's old band The Woods. But that's getting just way too obscure. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:04:21 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a review is not as good as a CD On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 01:03:11 -0500 (CDT), Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >2 - The Original Sins "She's On My Side": This one sets the tone for the >CD, which is heavy on the garage rockin'. My scribbled notes say "garage >rvokz" - I can't read the second word. Anyway, I also noted the presence >of "poppy ba-ba-ba's" and have no better way of pluralizing "ba-ba-ba" >than using an apostrophe. I also noted that I thought it was period - but >it ain't, it's from 1991. Stewart's notes likewise praise the band for >this impressive act of time travelling. Cool, the second Sins mention on this list. My brother-in-law (Dan McKinney) played keyboards. I can't say this song is exactly typical. This CD (Move) was produced by Peter Buck. Dan's playing with Jim Weider now and runs a recording studio (http://www.danshousestudio.com/). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:17:39 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] trying again- help me crash and kill [i want to pause for a moment to appreciate that beautiful subject line] ... [thanks] On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Dana Paoli wrote: > This album also features Linda Smith on backing vocals on one song: > there was a connection between Crash and Linda's old band The Woods. But > that's getting just way too obscure. not, i trust, the NC woods who later backed marti jones for a tour or two? "kill kill kill kill" appears on _the best of mccarthy_ (aka _that's all very well but..._) which seems to be in print. it's quite fast (around 160) and quite short (about 90 sec.). it starts with the lyric "kill them, injure them, rip out their hearts, tear out their lungs," in a slightly whiny voice more than a bit like morrissey; the song is a chirpy jangle that i find hard not to compare to the smiths and r.e.m. (the latter esp. in the little ascending chord run that separates the verses). i don't think the words "kill kill kill kill" appear in the song (diction, accent, you know). it sounds nothing like stereolab. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:26:16 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] trying again- help me crash and kill On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, dmw wrote: > 160) and quite short (about 90 sec.). it starts with the lyric "kill > them, injure them, rip out their hearts, tear out their lungs," in a uh, "tongues." " tear out their tongues." - -- d., getting ready to stop procrastinating ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:59:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Spoon? On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, dmw wrote: > > The new Bright Eyes is pretty good -- it's long and all over the place, > > though. > > gee, that's a switch. Oho! Yeah, I guess you're right to be sarcastic, but the point at which Bright Eyes swept my social circle was the release of Every Day And Every Night, which is short and pretty stylistically homogenous. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:14:59 -0400 From: "jer fairall" Subject: Re: Re: [loud-fans] Am I a Hypocrite? > Apparently, auction sites including eBay prohibit selling promotional CDs in their user > agreements--no word on whether that's enforced. I purchased a copy of the Cold Water Flat (out of print and couldn't be found new, btw) off eBay that had a Promo sticker on it. I don't see how there is any way to enforce this. Jer Your Actions Can Help! Support Strong Environmental Protections http://www.care2.com/go/z/2532 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:28:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Downing Subject: [loud-fans] Trouser Press As someone who doggedly refuses to update their bookmarks, I've continued to check the Trouser Press site to see if their pledge to recrudesce was merely a dead promise. To my surprise, I find that they are back in business, with the 90's edition now included in the bargain. How long they'll stay up is anyone's guess. http://www.trouserpress.com Jeff HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:44:09 GMT From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] crash into the woods This album also features Linda Smith on backing vocals on one song: there was a connection between Crash and Linda's old band The Woods. But that's getting just way too obscure. not, i trust, the NC woods who later backed marti jones for a tour or two? >>>>>>>>>>>> No, NY folks, of whom Linda's probably the only semi-famous one. They released one single, and may appear on a tape or two somewhere. Basically just a group of friends who probably played at a few parties. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:58:45 GMT From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] crash - mystery solved(ns) Don't Look Now [Mark Dumais/Crash] - LD on lead vox - Kurt Ralske, a guitarist in Crash, covered this song with his band Ultra Vivid Scene >>>>>>>>>>>> This from a Three Terrors setlist. You can get the Ultra Vivid Scene version as a B-side to the Blood and Thunder single, and it's also included in the 2CD version of Rev. UVS stuff is easy to find cheap used or on eBay. As for the Crash version, gemm lists a few people selling it fairly cheaply. Hope you've still got your turntable. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:41:50 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a quiet womble / falling smog / query > I may have missed a discussion or two while I was off-list, but what's the general feeling about the new Tommy Keene? I haven't picked it up yet: I know I will eventually, but I was just wondering whether I should make it a priority purchase. I really like it, but I get the feeling that most of the list is having a restrained reaction. I think it's his best set of songs in ten years or so - the album really gets off to a bang with three or four strong, nicely sequenced songs. Possible problem: a 16.5 minute song smack in the middle. It goes by quickly enough, though. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:58:02 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a quiet womble / falling smog / query > what's the general feeling about the new Tommy Keene? I haven't sat down and scrutinized it yet, but I've listened to it several times, and invariably enjoyed doing so. I definitely like several of the songs as much as anything of his since _Songs From the Film_, and I may think it's that good as a whole album, too. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:56:18 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] a quiet womble / falling smog / query |-----Original Message----- |From: Dan Sallitt [mailto:sallitt@post.harvard.edu] |Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 11:42 AM |To: loud-fans@smoe.org |Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a quiet womble / falling smog / query | | |> I may have missed a discussion or two while I was off-list, |but what's |> the general feeling about the new Tommy Keene? I haven't |picked it up |> yet: I know I will eventually, but I was just wondering whether I |> should make it a priority purchase. | |I really like it, but I get the feeling that most of the list |is having a restrained reaction. I think it's his best set of |songs in ten years or so - the album really gets off to a bang |with three or four strong, nicely sequenced songs. Possible |problem: a 16.5 minute song smack in the middle. It goes by |quickly enough, though. - Dan Yeah Dan, I'm not so sure of that 16+ min song either, but as you said it sure dosen't seem like it's that long which I guess is a good thing. My understanding of that song is that it's a conglomeration of ideas, riffs, fragments, that never really made their way into songs of their own. The rest of the album is oustanding. Love the songs. Love the guitar playing. Aside from the live album this may be one of his rocking albums to date. In fact I like it so much I'm even considering a 250 drive up to Wash, DC to catch a show next weekend. - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:59:25 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] crash - mystery solved(ns) > Don't Look Now [Mark Dumais/Crash] - LD on lead vox - Kurt Ralske, a guitarist in Crash, covered this song with his band Ultra Vivid Scene > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > This from a Three Terrors setlist. You can get the Ultra Vivid Scene version as a B-side to the Blood and Thunder single, and it's also included in the 2CD version of Rev. UVS stuff is easy to find cheap used or on eBay. > > As for the Crash version, gemm lists a few people selling it fairly cheaply. Hope you've still got your turntable. I knew Mark Dumais, who died of AIDS many years ago. I have one of his solo singles but no Crash records. But I'm still in touch with some of his friends, and can ask them about extra copies or a tape if you get desperate. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:19:08 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Trouser Press (and a plea for Perhacs) >As someone who doggedly refuses to update their bookmarks, >I've continued to check the Trouser Press site to see if >their pledge to recrudesce was merely a dead promise. To >my surprise, I find that they are back in business, with >the 90's edition now included in the bargain. How long >they'll stay up is anyone's guess. Yeeeee-ha! I thought that lazy sod was never going to live up to his vow. How else am I gonna teach the world about Armand Schaubroeck Steals? I mean, you can call Armand on the phone, but that isn't quite the same thing... In mostly-unrelated business, just when I get the scratch together for Linda Perhacs' PARALLELOGRAM...Forced Exposure seems to have dropped it from their catalog. Rats! I'll consider going through GEMM, but, if anyone sees this CD in a shop, or is willing to part with it, perhaps we can do long-distance business. I'll pay, say, fifteen, maybe twenty bucks. Offlist is fine. Thanks! And with strange aeons I might even get the Marzette Watts, Andy Anna and I got into an argument over whether or not the new Volkswagen Bugs count in the game Slug Bug. (You know that game, right? When you see a VW on the road, you shout out, "Slug Bug!" and punch the person sitting next you.) She says they don't, and I'm equally sure they do. She got mad because I used a new one (before, of course, pummeling her arm), and she said it was against the rules. I said, "I didn't know there was an official rule book." Anna got pissed, and we called each other some names and then got over it. But she'll go to her grave insisting she's right. I beg to differ. What do you think? [--Kim, personal assistant to Anna Nicole Smith, from her online diary at http://entertainment.msn.com/celebs/features/annadiary.asp ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:30:46 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Trouser Press (and a plea for Perhacs) On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Andrew Hamlin wrote: > Anna and I got into an argument over whether or not the new Volkswagen Bugs > count in the game Slug Bug. (You know that game, right? When you see a VW on > the road, you shout out, "Slug Bug!" and punch the person sitting next you.) > She says they don't, and I'm equally sure they do. She got mad because I > used a new one (before, of course, pummeling her arm), and she said it was > against the rules. I said, "I didn't know there was an official rule book." > Anna got pissed, and we called each other some names and then got over it. > But she'll go to her grave insisting she's right. I beg to differ. What do > you think? Of course they count! Silly question. The old ones count DOUBLE. Convertibles also count double. And polka-dotted bugs count fifty. Also, on of the colors on the Volkswagen web site is listed incorrectly; "Cyber Green" is a misprint for "New Spring." I'll keep my eye open for perhacs. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:35:17 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Trouser Press (and a plea for Perhacs) In a message dated 8/15/02 12:30:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dmw@radix.net writes: > Of course they count! Silly question. > > I disagree. The new Beetles aren't "sluggy" at all. They are really VW Golfs and are quite powerful, not like the 40 hp air-cooled ones I had, which were sssssssslllllllllooooooooowwwwwww. I like the new Beetles, and I want one, but as far I'm concerned, it ain't a real Beetle. Real Beetles have their engines in the back and are cooled by air. They were based on the designs of Ferdinand Porsche. The new ones were designed by some guy that worked at Ford or something. - -Mark, who had Bright Eyes' "Fevers and Mirrors" but sold it. That long interview track was annoying. The music just didn't grab me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:25:09 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Trouser Press (and a plea for Perhacs) On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > > Of course they count! Silly question. > > > I disagree. The new Beetles aren't "sluggy" at all. They are really VW 'kay, i'm a little dense here -- are you saying that the whole slug-bug/punch-bug game originated because the vehicles were sluggish, and it's intended to denigrate them? > -Mark, who had Bright Eyes' "Fevers and Mirrors" but sold it. That long > interview track was annoying. The music just didn't grab me i thought it had two or three really good songs and a lot of mediocre ones mostly carried by oberst's insanely histrionic delivery. but good gaw almighty, the "interview" track was indeed annoying. someone shoulda oughtta talked him out of that. he's just interviewing himself, right? both voices his, one electronically disguised? i know, we've been through all this before... i wasn't paying attention in class that day. - -- d. np m. sweet _altered beast_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:29:08 -0400 From: Cyndy Patrick Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Trouser Press (and a plea for Perhacs) They are two separate entities, sharing only a manufacturer, a name, and a tendency towards bulbousness. I'm quite fond of both the new and the old bugs in very different ways. - -Cyndy, cohort of fat boy (a silver New Beetle) Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/15/02 12:30:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dmw@radix.net > writes: > > > Of course they count! Silly question. > > > > > I disagree. The new Beetles aren't "sluggy" at all. They are really VW > Golfs and are quite powerful, not like the 40 hp air-cooled ones I had, which > were sssssssslllllllllooooooooowwwwwww. I like the new Beetles, and I want > one, but as far I'm concerned, it ain't a real Beetle. Real Beetles have > their engines in the back and are cooled by air. They were based on the > designs of Ferdinand Porsche. The new ones were designed by some guy that > worked at Ford or something. > > -Mark, who had Bright Eyes' "Fevers and Mirrors" but sold it. That long > interview track was annoying. The music just didn't grab me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:36:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Trouser Press (and a plea for Perhacs) On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, dmw wrote: > he's just interviewing himself, right? both voices his, one > electronically disguised? I think the interviewer is Clark Baechle from The Faint and Park Ave. Not that I recognize the speaking voice, but I think I read that. It's silly and not very entertaining, but there's something just... off about it. I like it. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:01:05 -0400 From: "jer fairall" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Trouser Press (and a plea for Perhacs) > Anna and I got into an argument over whether or not the new Volkswagen Bugs > count in the game Slug Bug. If you ever happens to stumble across the Anna Nicole Smith episode of E! TRUE HOLLYWOOD STORY, watch it. It's one of the funniest hours of television you're ever likely to experience. Haven't seen her "reality" show yet, though. Jer np: RETURN TO THE VALLEY OF THE GO GO'S (the acoustic version of "Mercenary"..ahhh) Your Actions Can Help! Support Strong Environmental Protections http://www.care2.com/go/z/2532 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:13:48 -0400 From: "jer fairall" Subject: Re: Re: [loud-fans] Trouser Press (and a plea for Perhacs) > -Mark, who had Bright Eyes' "Fevers and Mirrors" but sold it...The music just didn't grab me I bought EVERY DAY & EVERY NIGHT and had basically the same reaction. Connor Oberst is clearly talented and I like his vocal style, but I found a five song ep to be even more than I could endure, which leads me to believe that it's his songwriting that I don't like. I dunno. I do, however, love both his old band Park Ave. as well as his brother Matt's band Sorry About Dresden and recommend both WHEN JAMIE WENT TO LONDON and THE CONVENIENCE OF INDECISION highly (www.saddle-creek.com). Jer Your Actions Can Help! Support Strong Environmental Protections http://www.care2.com/go/z/2532 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:57:43 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] trying again- help me crash and kill dmw wrote: > > "kill kill kill kill" appears on _the best of mccarthy_ (aka _that's all > very well but..._) which seems to be in print. it's quite fast (around > 160) and quite short (about 90 sec.). it starts with the lyric "kill > them, injure them, rip out their hearts, tear out their lungs," Okay, that is definitely NOT what this song is, then. This one starts out with a bright, pretty guitar melody, then goes into a dark, mournful mid-tempo number with lyrics that go (to the best of my decipering abilities): Wanna stop the crying Wanna stop the crying But she's lying there dying How can I live when you see what I've done How can I live when you see what I've done What can I do if she dies What can I do if she dies What can I do if she's lost Just (boggle my mind with fingers crossed??) Thought I was dreaming So I didn't hear the screaming I'm so scared I'm so scared She won't move and I'm holding her head She won't move and I'm holding her head She's lost bye bye bye She's lost bye bye bye She's lost (?) bye bye bye I'm really not lying I'm so scared I can't stop the crying Now she's dead What can I do if she dies What can I do if she dies What can I do if she's lost Just (boggles my mind with fingers crossed) Oh no! ___________ I suspect what happened with some of these songs is that the DJ would play a set of about 5 songs, then announce at the end (when they even bothered to announce them). Some DJ's did them in order, some in reverse order, and some didn't seem to be able to read their own notes or playlists. Pitfalls of college radio. I would run tape constantly, then dub off the songs I liked and try to figure out what they were based on what the DJ announced. So, probably "Kill Kill Kill Kill" was in the same set as this song, but I don't have the whole set around anymore. Here's another one, listed as being by the Hollow Men, but I can't find enough evidence to back this up either. Mid tempo, singer has a British accent, lots of distorted guitars. Definitely not on Cresta, I have that one. Break my picture never again I'm the last of the jigsaw men Take my dreams and go to bed Chasing devils inside your head Love my mind till it overloads Energy seekers on the open road Twist my arm and steal my fate Kiss me now it's never too late Fifteen devils in my mind Face up face down in the dark In your hands I fall apart Land feet first and take me there Wash these devils right out of my hair In your hand and in your mind I'm the one you cannot find Break my picture never again I'm the last of the jigsaw men Fifteen devils in my mind Collecting dust _______ Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:59:17 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] crash - mystery solved(ns) dana-boy@juno.com wrote: > > Don't Look Now [Mark Dumais/Crash] - LD on lead vox - Kurt Ralske, a guitarist in Crash, covered this song with his band Ultra Vivid Scene > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > This from a Three Terrors setlist. You can get the Ultra Vivid Scene version as a B-side to the Blood and Thunder single, and it's also included in the 2CD version of Rev. UVS stuff is easy to find cheap used or on eBay. > > As for the Crash version, gemm lists a few people selling it fairly cheaply. Hope you've still got your turntable. Thank you, thank you, thank you! I will check into this. I have some UVS and like it. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:02:12 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] chills, pink frost On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, jenny grover wrote: > dmw wrote: > > > > "kill kill kill kill" appears on _the best of mccarthy_ (aka _that's all > > very well but..._) which seems to be in print. it's quite fast (around > > 160) and quite short (about 90 sec.). it starts with the lyric "kill > > them, injure them, rip out their hearts, tear out their lungs," > > Okay, that is definitely NOT what this song is, then. This one starts > out with a bright, pretty guitar melody, then goes into a dark, mournful > mid-tempo number with lyrics that go (to the best of my decipering > abilities): > > Just (boggle my mind with fingers crossed??) Just the thought fills my heart with pink frost hmm. _kaleidoscope world_ is apparently out of print, but you can get this on the _heavenly pop hits_ comp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:06:01 -0700 (PDT) From: michael@zwirn.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] chills, pink frost doug writes: > Just the thought fills my heart with pink frost > > hmm. _kaleidoscope world_ is apparently out of print, but you can get this > on the _heavenly pop hits_ comp. Which you should have anyway, of course. If you can't find it in stores, there are some very good and reasonably priced New Zealand record stores online. last played : Kevin Tihista's Red Terror Michael J. Zwirn, Environmental Policy Analyst http://www.zwirn.com michael@zwirn.com Home: 503/232-8919 Cell: 503/887-9800 Fax: 503/232-0228 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:06:01 -0700 (PDT) From: michael@zwirn.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] chills, pink frost doug writes: > Just the thought fills my heart with pink frost > > hmm. _kaleidoscope world_ is apparently out of print, but you can get this > on the _heavenly pop hits_ comp. Which you should have anyway, of course. If you can't find it in stores, there are some very good and reasonably priced New Zealand record stores online. last played : Kevin Tihista's Red Terror Michael J. Zwirn, Environmental Policy Analyst http://www.zwirn.com michael@zwirn.com Home: 503/232-8919 Cell: 503/887-9800 Fax: 503/232-0228 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:05:34 GMT From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re:Re: [loud-fans] trying again- help me crash and kill Wanna stop the crying Wanna stop the crying But she's lying there dying How can I live when you see what I've done How can I live when you see what I've done >>>>>>>>>> Wonder if I'll be the first of 10,000,000 people to say that that's Pink Frost by the Chills. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:13:40 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] trying again- help me crash and kill On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, jenny grover wrote: > Fifteen devils in my mind dang it. this is tantalizingly familiar, which means i bet against hollow men, since i never had a hollow men record. but i can't quite place it, and the usual "type some lyrics into google" approach avails little. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:24:09 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] chills, pink frost My word! That's the Chills? I didn't know they did anything that dark. Now that you mention it, it does indeed sound like the same voice that sings "Party in My Heart," which I love. Thanks billions! Jen dmw wrote: > Just the thought fills my heart with pink frost > > hmm. _kaleidoscope world_ is apparently out of print, but you can get this > on the _heavenly pop hits_ comp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:52:43 -0500 From: Bill Silvers Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Trouser Press Jeff Downing wrote: >As someone who doggedly refuses to update their bookmarks, >I've continued to check the Trouser Press site to see if >their pledge to recrudesce was merely a dead promise. To >my surprise, I find that they are back in business, with >the 90's edition now included in the bargain. How long >they'll stay up is anyone's guess. > >http://www.trouserpress.com Thanks for the heads-up, Jeff. I wonder what ever happened to the project to identify and discuss the works of all the bands that didn't make the 90's edition? b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:21:56 -0500 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: [loud-fans] 3 degrees of separation from Scott Miller to Kevin Gilbert In case anyone needed a musical way to get from Scott Miller to Kevin Gilbert, Nick D'Virgilio has put together a band to perform Kevin Gilbert's _The Shaming of the True_ in its entirety at ProgWest 2002 in November. On guitar/keyboards/ vocals, Mike Keneally. Tickets go on sale tomorrow, but they're $70.00 for the entire two day event. Dance the foxtrot in 13/8, http://www.progwest.com Russ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:51:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 3 degrees of separation from Scott Miller to Kevin Gilbert On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Keegstra, Russell wrote: > In case anyone needed a musical way to get from Scott Miller > to Kevin Gilbert, Nick D'Virgilio has put together a band to > perform Kevin Gilbert's _The Shaming of the True_ in its > entirety at ProgWest 2002 in November. On guitar/keyboards/ > vocals, Mike Keneally. And thus to both Genesis & Sheryl Crow (not to mention Cintra Wilson), to wit: Nick D. (also in Spock's Beard, so a couple steps from him to Dream Theater via Transatlantic) played in the '98 version of Genesis, and at Progfest '94, Kevin Gilbert's band Giraffe played a shortened version of THE LAMB LIES DOWN ON BROADWAY. Gilbert was also part of the Tuesday Night Music Club from which sprang Sheryl's first hit album. FInally, he was seeing CIntra when he died. Wheels within wheels, man. Wheels within wheels. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:44:45 -0400 From: "Paul Seeman" Subject: [loud-fans] That other Family Hey, all: Haven't seen the Handsome Family mentioned here before, but their two new CDs are awfully good. The odds 'n' sods collection, Smothered & Covered, includes a couple of nice outtakes, some rough demos, a few brilliant covers (Bill Monroe, Louvin Bros.), and some snippets of Brett noodling around on cello and prepared piano. Live at Schuba's pushes the vocals even further forward than usual, and "The Woman Upstairs" gets a less Weill-ish arrangement, but otherwise the music's pretty representative of their studio (living room? shower stall?) stuff. The banter's predictably strange and funny; it's hard not to like a live album that starts like this: Rennie: "Well, you're tuning, that's nice.oh, you're not tuning? Are you talking to your imaginary friend over there?" Brett: "Naw, I don't think I'll tune tonight." Rennie: "This song is really gonna rock!" I ordered both CDs from the HF's web site without first checking to see whether the Sparkses were on the road. Which they were, in Europe no less, so I resigned myself to a long wait. But a couple of days later I get an email: Hi Paul, gee whiz, thank you for your order. I hope you can forgive me, but I won't be able to send it out until we get home from tour. I promise to get to it as soon as we set the suitcases down. Big apologies, ox Rennie After finally deciding that she hadn't called me an ox, I was touched. And damned if the thing didn't arrive a week or so after they returned Stateside. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:57:44 -0400 From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Trouser Press > Thanks for the heads-up, Jeff. I wonder what ever happened to the > project > to identify and discuss the works of all the bands that didn't make > the > 90's edition? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fanzine Badaboom Gramaphone (which is probably spelled slightly differently) took a decent stab at it a few years back, and did include a bunch of worthwhile bands... (This is the part where the other Jeff tells me to shut up about the dustDevils, already.) Did someone mention the new Rain Parade CD yet? I just don't remember. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #282 *******************************