From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #278 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, August 14 2002 Volume 02 : Number 278 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] You're not a fool, but you might have a preconception (ns) [Dana Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] Stretch Marks [JRT456@aol.com] [loud-fans] WINNING POST! [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Donnie Darko [DOUDIE@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] critical hippos on skates [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] critical hippos on skates [Carolyn Dorsey ] Re: [loud-fans] LASIK (rs) [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Am I a Hypocrite? [Michael Mitton ] Re: [loud-fans] borscht (ns) [Phil Fleming ] [loud-fans] new list rules (ns) (umc) (jj) (at) (rs) (qx) (rr) (rx) (zz) but not (gd) [Phil Fleming Subject: Re: [loud-fans] You're not a fool, but you might have a preconception (ns) I have to go to sleep, after a night of installing crown molding in the living room (which is really hard, and I'm not entirely sure about how it's all going to turn out) but I do want to remind one and all, in anticipation of that awful future day when this comes up again, that the archives are available for inspection at any time, and that I've at no time voiced any objection to people buying used items. My thoughts are with all of the poor loud-fans. Even the ones whose monthly housing payments are five times mine, and who live on three meals of congee a day in order to scrape together the $8 to buy a promo copy of the new Bauhaus compilation. God bless us, every one!! - --dana, who has eaten congee but isn't sure how to spell it ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:37:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] You're not a hypocrite, but you might be a cheapskate (ns) On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Carolyn Dorsey wrote: > I'm curious-what is the best way to open them? I end up using a kitchen > knife because I usually break a fingernail trying to get them open. I'm > happy at the record store when they sell me a full price cd that's already > been played because it means I don't have to deal with the super sticky and > hard to open spine. Some of the crappier ones are hopelss - when the plastic starts tearing as you try to remove it, you're screwed. (Cue the discussion on "how to remove the sticky residue" now. From jewelboxes.) But with the better ones, that stay in more or less one piece as you peel them off, I've found it easy to remove them by unfastening the front part of the jewelbox from the back, making the sticky label into a hinge, and then peeling the label off from the two jewelbox components. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: __Robert Desnos__ lp: The Band s/t (in car); Outrageous Cherry new one (forget the title - but warning: crypto-religious artwork!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:43:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Am I a Hypocrite? On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Matthew Weber wrote: > >Is it unethical to pay some poor bugger the $1.00 he asks for a > >collectible piece of vinyl, and then turn around and sell it to someone > >else for $60? > > No more than it's unethical to turn a profit on anything you've > purchased, IMO. Last time we had this discussion, the consensus seemed to be (to me, because it was my perspective...funny how that works) that it's pretty much the seller's obligation to establish the worth of what's being sold. If the seller underprices, it's the seller's problem; overprices, then it won't sell (except to suckers...same problem, switched polarity). I mean, I suppose there are exceptions...like if it's your favorite record store, and you suspect the new bozo clerk priced it, and the manager is a dolt (even if a nice guy) who lets new bozo clerks price rare items, and you plan on showing up at the place regularly, and don't want to be regarded as "that asshole who walked out with that rare LP for nothing..." Although any attitude (in the obnox. '90s sense) on the store's part in that situation would be purest bovine manure, under the circ. WWJGD? (new motto: what would Jenny Grover do?) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Solipsism is its own reward:: __Crow T. Robot__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:44:11 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] critical hippos on skates At 10:34 PM 8/13/2002 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Roger Winston wrote: > >> In reality, the only reason I buy used over new is because I hate trying to >> remove those damn top-spine labels. > >Yeah - what the hell are those supposed to prove again? I love the top-spine labels. When you're a dedicated remainder-bin scavenger -- which, of course, I do merely to piss Dana off and rob musicians of their birthrights -- the top-spine label is how you tell at a glance that the next eight CDs are all copies of Dramarama's HI-FI SCI-FI and Sloan's SMEARED and therefore you don't have to flip through them all one by one. It's like a thumb guard on a vegetable peeler: you can work without it, but it's surprisingly useful when it's there. S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:46:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] borscht (ns) On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, jenny grover wrote: > Phil Fleming wrote: > > > > Dr Pepper Red???? > > It's called Red Fusion. I call microtrend: Pepsi's blue thingy is advertised as "Berry Fusion." Which also might be the name of a thankfully unreleased early '70s collaboration between Chuck Berry and Spyro Gyra. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::The dog-eared pages, the highlighted passages, the margin ::notations...this book has actually been read: it can't be a student's! __Jose Chung__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:48:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] John Sununu, with a hypodermic needle, in the record store On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, me wrote: > > Next thing you know, someone will be telling us we shouldn't patronize > > garage sales. > > or pee during commercials. Well, it's okay - so long as you use a cup or bucket stowed beneath your TV-commercial watching chair for that purpose. And then send the proceeds to Jamie Kellner. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::beliefs are ideas going bald:: __Francis Picabia__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:51:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] this reply is inevitable, but I'm first with it On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Dana Paoli wrote: > would have expected that). And the day that Michael Jackson went > shopping in the children's section. But not for books. ba-dmm-CHNNNGGG! - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Oxygen isn't a text:: __David Robbins__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:01:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] new list rules (ns) = probably concerns Scott Miller, but only by accident (mc) = intentionally mean comments, directed at you personally (jj) = just joking mean comments, directed at you personally but with new Passive-Aggression(tm) (at) = avoiding temptation to combine two recent comments in re "bugs up ass" and "plumbing bill" (rs) = random splatter, bad day/meds not working/etc. (qx) = Symbolist poetry translated via Alta Vista into Basque and back into English and then run through the Swedish Chef linguistic transformation site (gd) = thread that comes up w/o fail on Loudfans every six months, with same positions taken by same parties at same great length (rr) = rant re rent, employment, etc. (rx) = hidden Rosicrucian content (zz) = out of ideas; typing anyway - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Being young, carefree, having your whole life ahead of you, ::dancing the night away to celebrate... ::oh, and the untimely death of Jackson Pollock. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:00:08 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Stretch Marks I, for one, think it's a real shame that Dana could go off to sleep while daring to doubt Stewart's sincerity re: sympathy for anything up anybody's ass. "Little Nicky"...isn't that the most underrated comedy ever? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:04:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] WINNING POST! On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Francis J H Park wrote: > After taking the wrapping off, I used to pry the bottom left flange Alright! Francis used the word "flange"! Best post ever! - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, getting sillier every time he reads another post re "hypocrites" etc. J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:05:39 EDT From: DOUDIE@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Donnie Darko I just wanted to thank Glenn and whoever else recommended Donnie Darko. I saw it tonight and its a real classic. I can't believe how little I heard about it. Great soundtrack too. Anybody know anything about the guy who same the theme song? Steve Matrick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:11:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] critical hippos on skates On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Stewart Mason wrote: > I love the top-spine labels. When you're a dedicated remainder-bin > scavenger -- which, of course, I do merely to piss Dana off and rob > musicians of their birthrights -- the top-spine label is how you tell at a > glance that the next eight CDs are all copies of Dramarama's HI-FI SCI-FI > and Sloan's SMEARED and therefore you don't have to flip through them all > one by one. It's like a thumb guard on a vegetable peeler: you can work > without it, but it's surprisingly useful when it's there. So, uh, store the CDs w/the printed spine label up? Hey, new question: Rose and I were visiting her sister & family last week, and we were forced into a Barnes & Noble by the two children. Their music section had a kinda cool thing whereby you could scan any CD in the store and hear 30-second track excerpts from each track (or so I'm told - I didn't notice till we were leaving, and one doesn't delay 11- and 14-year-olds who want to leave any premises). I suppose there's some goofy-ass special royalty thingy going on there as well? Or will the Copyright Enforcement Junta start firebombing the place? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Being young, carefree, having your whole life ahead of you, ::dancing the night away to celebrate... ::oh, and the untimely death of Jackson Pollock. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:12:43 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tape review - Andrea Weiss' 'Forms Of Pop' In a message dated 8/13/2002 5:14:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, md.robbins@ntlworld.com writes: > The Nields - Yesterday's Girl > As with so many tracks here, really strong songwriting and accomplished > harmonies.Groovy early Joni Mitchell meets Aimee Mann vocal sound > with a 'Stipean cry' edge and plangent geetaring. And a good helping of > bracing and enigmatic 'La la la's', to which I am most partial given those > oft intrinsic qualities. Slightly disconcerted by a repeated gtr lick that > never quite becomes the solo from '50 Years After The Fair' of which, if > memory serves (and often it doesn't), it's reminiscent. Great opener. > Thanks! I was thinking more of Scott&Alanis M., but yes, it does sound like Aimee too. > Kirsty MacColl - Mambo De La Luna > Not to speak ill of the dead......I hate this track. Sorry. > Never liked Ms.MacColl - always found her accent really irritating - > you know what pedants some English people are about such things, > but I also never heard anything by her that was even mediocre. > So her appeal and talent completely eluded me previously but the whole > 'middle aged artist resorts to World Musics' thing faintly depresses me. > I will heartily endorse the fatwa declared on the next desperate 'has-been' > to similarly mess with my own beloved South Asian music or at the very > least pelt them with poisonous chapattis should the opportunity ever > present itself. (He doesn't really mean that -Ed > Veruca Salt - Awesome > Not only Rack an' Roll but ah laahk it, laahk it, yis ahh dooh. > Utterly delightful 'chug a lug' 'kick ass' rockeroony with many > elements mightily reminiscent of Game Theory (who?) and as such a > surefire winner. If there's some connection don't all shout at once. > Nina Gordon, who is the singer on this one, wrote "The Softest Tip of Her Baby Tongue" with Scott on IBC. She and Louise Post, the other singer here, are big Scott fans. > Bob Mould - Without > Kinda redolent of the usual suspects/electro-ambient meisters, but concise! > A blindfolded Bob stumbles around an echo chamber and artfully collides > with several tolling handbells and a grand piano in this brief instrumental. > I hesitate to evoke the image of an unwary Mould pulling too hard on a > churchbell rope and suddenly being hoisted up into the belfry with an > immediately distant, but reverberating shriek. > LOL! Great Images. > Bob Dylan - Summer Days > Hmm - Bill Haley and the Comets style Rock and Roll with Zimmy now long > become embarrassingly Zimmer framed. I was once much devoted to his mid > 60s 'oeuvre' but like so many of his contemporaries, his decline has all but > transformed even my residual sentimental forbearance into faint contempt. > The odd acerbic lyric in here doesn't change my opinion, but by the 3rd > listen I loosened up, even if his voice does reek of beyond self parody now. > Wherever that is. > I know what you mean, and this really is the best track from Love And Theft > Teenage Fanclub - I Need Directions > Having fully integrated/exhausted the Byrds/Big Star et c. school it > looks like they've assimilated some new influences on the instrumentation > and harmonies since I last heard 'em: namely of The Association / > Strawberry Alarm Clock ilk: it works, but I've always found their overall > vocal delivery curiously soul-less and never really swoon as I was once > wont to do to their illustrious forbears. I also note the continued use of > the 'ham fisted' gtr solo. > You can take the man out of the haggis, but not the haggis out of the et c.. > (not so much gratuitous stereotyping as availing myself of the rare > opportunity to use the word 'haggis' in any context and a possible first in > a loudmail.) > > Jennifer Kimball - Long Way Home > A yearning 'spacey folk pop' shuffle, to paraphrase Andrea's notes - > great vocal interactions, organ swells and a vibrantly fx-ed lead gtr sound > contribute much to this effect. Good song, delivered with an endearing > breathiness and a devilish gleam in her eye. > Her album, if i remember correctly, is on sale at Half.com. It's out of print, so if you find it, grab it. It's called Veering From the Wave. > Fountains Of Wayne - Amity Gardens > Another great song chockablock full of effortless powerpop hookery. > I only have the first album - ought to acquire the 2nd if it's all as strong > as this. I wonder if that curious influence I could never put my finger on > was the poppy XTC, 'cause it seems pretty apparent here. > I agree with Joe on this > Tori Amos- Strange Little Girl > I don't want to imply intentions here, but this isn't quite as sinister > as I suspect she might've intended, though it does have an indisputably > edgy potency to it and I like it more than I thought I could. > Can't remember (if I ever even heard) the original so I don't know how > different this version is. I never thought much of the Stranglers or their > songwriting so this may be a 'silk purse' style transmogrification, > notwithstanding the creepy post-Manzarek keyboard tingletangle. > Is a similarly deconstructed/regendered/subverted/whatever version of > say, 'Peaches' called for at some point? > I agree about the Stranglers, but wouldn't mind hearing the original just to see what it sounded like > Laura Nyro - Timer > Just fab, though as my taste has so narrowed I find I can only take > Ms.Nyro's undeniably soulful vocals in limited amounts these days, > particularly when they stray into overly intense multi tracking. That > said I haven't had Nyro mania for years so it may be due after this > example of her great talent. I can still take what Todd R. purloined > from her in vast quantities though, as I did.after hearing this reminder. > Me too. > New Pornographers - Letter From An Occupant > Rocking along. Another strong song though not as thoroughly > impressive as some previous loudmails had lead me to believe. > Vocals occasionally verge too much on the strident for me but > the dynamics and the climactic heavy gtr riffing work really well. > Just found myself whistling the chorus again after the side finished. > > > Side Two- > > Dar Williams - I Won't Be Your Yoko Ono [live] > Too multi levelled to extrapolate concisely here. Try, try...well... > An inspired metaphor as well as a quasi-narrative by/concerning the > much maligned, nefarious one and a droll semi-interrogation of that > 'Dream Is Over' period. As with so many of the tracks on the > tape clever/witty/incisive lyric writing figures strongly. Misses the > chance to mention the 'Harrison's chocolate biscuits' contretemps > though: but what could you rhyme with 'biscuits' anyway? (Yeah all > right - 'risk it' for a start...) (For 'biscuits' read 'cookies'..-Ed) > The spoken intro concerning the pitfalls of precocious intellectualism > is really amusing too. > And is really what Dar is like live, and I perfer this version to what the > studio one was on The green World. Out There Live is the one to get here. > Alanis Morrisette - Precious Illusions > In that pervasive electro shuffled rock stylee with a characteristic > sardonic tinge to the lyrics as implied by the title but typically catchy > in her emotionally anthemic way. I like the cynicism inherent in her > vocal style, which could probably make even a shopping list seem > comtemptible. That habitual little rising cry inflection she uses tends > to jar a bit after awhile though. But you knew that already. > > Meg Hentges - Sleepwalking > Effective fx treatment on the vocals accentuates this concise snarl of a > rocker featuring various 80s style synth burbles and heavy riffing that > at one point reveals an unexpected ZZ Top influence. Nooo...yeah! > I wonder how long their beards are these days. > > Louise Goffin - Instant Photo > Shares a Rufus Wainwrightian kind of wackiness (something's a bit out > of tune - yeah, intentionally): now just imagine what kind of a 3rd > generation songwriting offspring they'd produce. Expected a killer > melody given her lineage. Maybe she's trying to break new ground, but > this seems too casually based on a mechanical shuffle to be outstanding. > Ill advised filial iconoclasm - I'd cut the allowance right now or lock her > in a room with one of Mom's later albums to listen to: Ooh, vicious. > > Wilco - Reservations > My limited familiarity with the Wilcs' eclectism should've prepared me for > this effective foray into post-Big Star 3 style Gothique replete with a > gloomy sparse piano and enigmatic little noises intro/outro (during the > likes of which I always visualise the studio janitor forlornly sweeping the > floor, cigarette drooping from his lip.) Which isn't to say I don't like it: > I used a similar idea myself in a Colours Out Of Time song a long time > ago so I damned well ought to....Ha ha ha... > Seriously though - mournful and affecting, quite beautiful really. > 'Oh the glory of love....' as Uncle Lou once bellowed so earnestly. > > Johntha Brooke - Linger > Nicely programmed to whack rockily in after the preceding track. > Another damned strong song, admirably utilising the word 'altercation' > and a lot of potent, loaded sensual imagery. Some good old fashioned > ambivalently remonstrative 'finger pointing' going on here methinks. > I do like the silky, icy tone with which she delivers the goods too. > After several listens revealed as a great, GREAT track. > > Caitlin Cary - Shallow Heart, Shallow Water > Stately, sedate, countryish rocking, but gracefully avoiding the pitfalls > and cliches all this might suggest. Contemplative lyrics, mandolin fills, > twanging geetar, melancholic steel and more fine harmonies with a > surreptitious mellotron (!) only finally revealing its subversive presence > in the final bars as a really nice touch in the cryptic denouements dept. > (I too have learned the accented 'e' transformation into an 'i' and have > demured on both occasions here.) > > Aimee Mann - Backfire > I hear a Squeeze on vocals. Nice fuzzed slide licks zooming about, > though not often enough for Al Perkins fans. > Another mischievous Mellotron squeaks in at the end, speaking > furtively of 'I buried Paul' and 'Cranberry Sauce' shenanigins. > Needless to say in our company, up to the usual top notch standard > on all fronts. Love her vocal style and her accent. > > Ryan Adams - When The Stars Go Blue > Undeniably strong hooks in this ballad soon kick in and save the > (to my ear anyway) rather fey, 'sensitive' vocal style on this. > Maybe (No 'Maybe' about it chum) I'm just getting too old, but I have > difficulty with his brand of blue jean troubadour rock these days. Adams > did some live TV shows here and I was not impressed, given the > reputation that preceded him. 'You put the guitar in the boot / > Lock the boot of the car up / Drive the car to the river / Dump the car in > the river / Don't call me in the morning.' > With apologies to Harry Nilsson. > (We call the trunk of a car a 'boot' in England, but not as in 'Put the > ('bovver') boot in' - Ed.) Which leads us with an ungainly stagger to....... > > Mystery Track - Big Shoes? > Admirably sneaky unlisted track on the tape end. > How to describe this? Bubblegummed touches of 'Spinning Wheel' > trumpeteering punctuating a jokey, quirky self examination on the subject > of larger pedal extremities (as I believe one of the X Men used to refer > to them, long before that movie I will never see. I remember Jack Kirby > fondly) and the associated vicissitudes and particularities of this > challenging condition. Catchily bops along with oodles of good humour > and the blithe abandon of a swaggering teenage summer. > By no means typical 'shoe gazing' fayre..... > (I wonder if any of those downcast doodoids ever actually wrote any > contemplative treatises on the debilitating psychological effects of > enduring the burden of overlarge feet? Don't answer that. Anyone.) And thanks for the Great Reivew. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:18:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] (jg/er/ue/aa/zz/ee/uy/ue/nx/or/uu/wg/uu/fu) On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Janet Ingraham Dwyer wrote: > ps - at my workplace we lend out CDs, DVDs, videos and books to people for > free; how about that? I'm actually somewhat amazed that the RIAA hasn't taken a stance on that...the easiest, best source for duping CDs is your local library. Not that I'd do a thing like that... although I'm not at all averse to, say, getting that one new track on the "hits" compilation by such means. So how come no one's talking about John Cage's publishing company suing that guy for ripping off 4'33"? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, last post of the night...I promise! J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Californians invented the concept of the life-style. ::This alone warrants their doom. __Don DeLillo, WHITE NOISE__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:18:32 -0400 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] critical hippos on skates on 8/14/02 12:11 AM, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey at jenor@csd.uwm.edu wrote: > (or so I'm told - I > didn't notice till we were leaving, and one doesn't delay 11- and > 14-year-olds who want to leave any premises). I suppose there's some > goofy-ass special royalty thingy going on there as well? Or will the > Copyright Enforcement Junta start firebombing the place? > > --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey I was in a Barnes and Nobles last week. You scan it but it only plays about 20 seconds of the song. And some songs play the middle sections of the song and not the introduction. Many cds in the Barnes and Nobles in NY are 18-19 dollars. Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:23:44 -0700 (PDT) From: me@justanotherfuckin.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] You're not a fool, but you might have a preconception (ns) and i will go on record as saying that anyone who has the inclination and the wherewithall (and the balls) to install crown molding kicks ass. i guess dana's okay after all ;) brianna On Tue, 13 August 2002, Dana Paoli wrote: > > I have to go to sleep, after a night of installing > crown molding in the > living room (which is really hard, and I'm not entirely > sure about how > it's all going to turn out) but I do want to remind one > and all, in > anticipation of that awful future day when this comes > up again, that the > archives are available for inspection at any time, and > that I've at no > time voiced any objection to people buying used items. > > My thoughts are with all of the poor loud-fans. Even > the ones whose > monthly housing payments are five times mine, and who > live on three meals > of congee a day in order to scrape together the $8 to > buy a promo copy of > the new Bauhaus compilation. God bless us, every one!! > > --dana, who has eaten congee but isn't sure how to > spell it > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:25:21 -0700 (PDT) From: me@justanotherfuckin.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] critical hippos on skates > Re Brianna's comment about prostitution: I assume > you're talking > prostitution per se - because to me the real problem > w/street prostitution > is its effect on the neighborhoods, not least when > bone-ignorant would-be > johns start propositioning obvious non-hooking women, > people look out > their window to see random blowjobs in the alley, etc. yes. absolutely in agreement. > But licensed, taxpaying brothels? Better than the > unreal notion of trying > to eliminate prostitution... here, too. brianna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:23:35 -0500 From: Bill Silvers Subject: Re: [loud-fans] critical hippos on skates > > (or so I'm told - I > > didn't notice till we were leaving, and one doesn't delay 11- and > > 14-year-olds who want to leave any premises). I suppose there's some > > goofy-ass special royalty thingy going on there as well? Or will the > > Copyright Enforcement Junta start firebombing the place? > > > > --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey >I was in a Barnes and Nobles last week. You scan it but it only plays about >20 seconds of the song. And some songs play the middle sections of the song >and not the introduction. Many cds in the Barnes and Nobles in NY are 18-19 >dollars. > >Carolyn But hey, they've got the same scanning device in Walmart, and the CD's there are more in the 14-15 dollar range. So long as it's full retail price, it's all good. b.s. wondering why Hillary Rosen gets (deservedly) laughed off and scorned and somebody with an even more conservative position gets any credence ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:32:00 -0700 (PDT) From: me@justanotherfuckin.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] John Sununu, with a hypodermic needle, in the record store On Tue, 13 August 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: To God's Little Smoke Detector. so does that mean we collectively sound something like SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! brianna ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:32:58 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] spine we got the top spine labels because it meant we didn't have to have a barcode anywhere on the pakcage after you peel the spine off, but we can still be distributed through places that require a barcode for purposes of first-sale. i kinda hate 'em, but that part is pretty cool. i would MUCH rather have someone buy our record used than throw it in a landfill. i'm not entirely comfortable with the ecological implications of distributing our disc in the first place; i would be very comforted to think that a substantial proportion of the little buggers might find multiple homes. & i'm bewildered and a little frightened to learn that i have more free time than the national average. good night irene, irene good night - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:37:40 -0400 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] critical hippos on skates on 8/14/02 12:23 AM, Bill Silvers at wsilvers@earthlink.net wrote: > > b.s. wondering why Hillary Rosen gets (deservedly) laughed off and scorned > and somebody with an even more conservative position gets any credence Who replaced Hilary Rosen? Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:40:14 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: [loud-fans] LASIK (rs) I had LASIK surgery last Friday to correct my nearsightedness. (I know...I know...it's not *right* to want to leave the Club.) Some of you knew I was having it and wanted to know the outcome, so I figured I might as well post it here. Also, I'd like to get input from others who have gone through it. And I didn't feel this really belonged on the Ron Jeremy List. The surgery itself went fine. It was fast and I was surprised at how painless it was and how little discomfort I was in. The flaps have sealed up nicely and I don't have any of the grittiness feeling or irritation that people keep telling me I should have. No dry eyes yet either, but I suppose I should wait and see what happens after I stop applying the drops. My vision is still fluctuating, but the immediate result was that my left eye is 20/20 and my right is approx 20/40 (far-sighted). My right eye was worse before the surgery, and is still worse now, but in the opposite direction. I was disappointed that this disparity between the eyes, not to mention the far-sightedness in the right eye, makes it very hard to read or do stuff on the computer without getting a massive headache. However, I've found that a pair of low-power reading glasses makes it bearable. Which is a good thing, since computers are my livelihood. I need to work so that I can make lots of money and buy CDs new. Well, and I have to pay off the price of the surgery too. I am able to drive just fine and I can read street signs and judge distances just as well as I ever could with glasses. I just tried some night driving tonight for the first time and had no big problem there. I am getting the halo effect with lights (actually, more like a starburst effect), but it didn't seem to be *too* distracting. My eye doctor (who did not do the surgery, but who set me up with the place that did) said that the right eye was overcorrected, which is pretty typical, because the vision changes as the eye heals. As of today, it hasn't started healing yet (like the left eye), so he is having me stop the steroid drops in that eye in the hopes of jumpstarting the healing. He is actually more concerned about the left eye, since there is no room for movement there. So... we'll see what happens. I tell you one thing - it's strange (and somewhat unpleasant) to actually be able to see in the shower. I really should clean that thing. Anybody else out there had this surgery? If so, does this jibe with your experience? Sometimes I think "Why the heck did I do this?" and other times "This is kinda cool". But I'm reserving final judgement until everything settles down. Or at least until my eyes fall out in 10 years. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:08:18 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] LASIK (rs) At 10:40 PM 8/13/2002 -0600, Roger Winston wrote: >So... we'll see what happens. I tell you one thing - it's strange (and >somewhat unpleasant) to actually be able to see in the shower. I really >should clean that thing. Well, you should at least give it a scrub before you start trolling for hookers on Colfax -- that's just plain courtesy. I briefly considered laser surgery, but then I remembered that I couldn't even drag myself to switch back to contacts now that I no longer live in the land of the spring dust storms. Maybe it's just because I've been wearing them since the third grade, but I don't think of my glasses as enough of an impediment that I need to overcome the general squickiness of having a laser playing with my eyeballs. S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:54:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Am I a Hypocrite? Having raced my bike this evening in 102 degree heat, and probably suffering from mild heat stroke, I didn't have the energy to do anything else this evening besides browse the web and listen to the new Beth Orton. So I spent an hour trying to figure out whether it was legal to buy and sell these damn promotional CDs. And the internet consensus seems to have two parts: 1) It is definitely legal to buy and sell promotional CDs; 2) It is definitely illegal to buy and sell promotional CDs. I never did find a reputable website that talked about this issue, but there were plenty of non-reputable on both sides of the fence. Two intersting things, though. Apparently, auction sites including eBay prohibit selling promotional CDs in their user agreements--no word on whether that's enforced. (I never found this in eBay's policies, but I did find it for Cnet auctions). And the RIAA can go on and on about every aspect of copyright law, but I couldn't find anything on their site about promotional CDs. As for the Beth Orton, I'm quite liking it... - --Michael, who finished 12th out of 21, despite a mechanical problem ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:03:01 -0400 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] new cds on 8/14/02 12:40 AM, Roger Winston at rwinston@tde.com wrote: > s are my livelihood. I need to work so that I > can make lots of money and buy CDs new. I feel that generally I don't have much choice but to buy new cds. Of course I'm on the lookout for bargains but I guess I really don't have the buying fabulous cds for a fraction of their cost thing down like so many of you guys. I just don't know how. I lack confidence. I've never had much luck except for the occasional find in the bargain bins. However I recently found a wonderful 60s era vintage Gucci handbag for only 35 dollars in excellent condition and a gorgeous pair of black Manolo Blahnik slingbacks-- never been worn-- for 40 dollars! That guy didn't know what he had and I snatched those right up. Also a beautiful Italian fifties era silk blouse in mint condition, in a lovely Jackson Pollack inspired abstract brushstroke print in icy blue and lavender tones-- made expressly for Bergdorf Goodman----for 15 dollars. Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:18:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil Fleming Subject: Re: [loud-fans] borscht (ns) I'm about 100% sure it's not available up here in the Northeast. Now I'm weeping... Phil F. NP... Reverse _The Jersey Switch_ - --- jenny grover wrote: > It's called Red Fusion. I just got some yesterday. > It's out in 2 liter > bottles now, as well as the little ones. > > Jen HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:38:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil Fleming Subject: [loud-fans] new list rules (ns) (umc) (jj) (at) (rs) (qx) (rr) (rx) (zz) but not (gd) Uhhhh.....what?! Phil F. NP... Reverse _The Jersey Switch_ - --- Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > (ns) = probably concerns Scott Miller, but only by > accident > (mc) = intentionally mean comments, directed at you > personally > (jj) = just joking mean comments, directed at you > personally but with new > Passive-Aggression(tm) > (at) = avoiding temptation to combine two recent > comments in re "bugs up > ass" and "plumbing bill" > (rs) = random splatter, bad day/meds not > working/etc. > (qx) = Symbolist poetry translated via Alta Vista > into Basque and back > into English and then run through the Swedish Chef > linguistic > transformation site > (gd) = thread that comes up w/o fail on Loudfans > every six months, with > same positions taken by same parties at same great > length > (rr) = rant re rent, employment, etc. > (rx) = hidden Rosicrucian content > (zz) = out of ideas; typing anyway > > --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html > ::Being young, carefree, having your whole life > ahead of you, > ::dancing the night away to celebrate... > ::oh, and the untimely death of Jackson Pollock. 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