From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #273 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Monday, August 12 2002 Volume 02 : Number 273 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] $1 Lolita/Orangina/Guarana [Dana Paoli ] [loud-fans] Pixies Purple- Dissenting View [GlenSarvad@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Re: guitarist poll [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] RE: [loud-fans] Hummer...Satan's Utility Vehicle? ["Chris Murtland" ] [loud-fans] chat? ["Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] Re: lil'ys, Manifesto (ns) [Dana Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] Hummer...Satan's Utility Vehicle? ["Francis J H Park" Subject: [loud-fans] $1 Lolita/Orangina/Guarana The > dollar stack comes and goes. Looking through the small stack, I > found a mint > copy of LN on vinyl (the two disc US version) for a dollar. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LN pops up on vinyl all the time on eBay and creates little excitement. When it sells, it usually goes for the minimum bid, which is usually around $6-$8. On CD the price has come down to $40-$60 from highs up around $100, but it still spikes on occasion. The other "rare" ones seem to go for anywhere from high teens to low thirties, depending. Right now, there's a copy of the LN CD on eBay that might sell cheaply as its missing the booklet. Orangina Rouge seems to contain caffeine and guarana. Unlike drinks containing ma huang/ephedra, this one doesn't make me grind my teeth for the next six hours. I'm not sure why they felt the need to put anything at all into it, though. Orangina is stimulant free, isn't it? - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 09:47:19 EDT From: GlenSarvad@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Pixies Purple- Dissenting View I've got a somewhat different take here- it's certainly a worthwhile artifact for any serious Pixies fan. However: 1) IMO the best tracks from this tape had been plucked for Come On Pilgrim; 2) COP fell short of their next two releases (the Pixies' Golden Era, could anyone disagree?) because the production wasn't in-your-face enough (it's hard for me to think of the Pixies without Albini's engineering aesthetic), and of course this has the same sound; 3) maybe it's a case of first-heard-first loved, but I prefer the subsequent versions of many of these songs. Again, I don't think it's bad, I just had a hard time getting excited about it. Miles writes: > New old Pixies: What's to say? The Pixies apparently sprung Athena-like, > fully-formed, out of Charles Thompson IV's head in 1987, and this > previously-unreleased portion of the "Purple Tape" demonstrates that they ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:47:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: guitarist poll On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 AWeiss4338@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/9/2002 8:19:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, > sleeveless@citynet.net writes: > > > Gee, I always thought the outro to Layla lasted way too long and got > > kinda boring. I always much preferred the first half of the song. > > > > Me too, they could have cut it in half and it would have made for a better > song, the outro. The first part is great. You're all wrong, except John, who's wrong about the rest of Clapton's catalog. Okay, a *lot* of it would not harm the universe by not existing, but there's a bit more good stuff than three songs. (That is, I like the outro to "Layla." I also like the song itself. But the remake? If something really good is "to die for," apparently the remake is to live for.) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:09:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re:RE: [loud-fans] Please wait during the silence On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 dana-boy@juno.com wrote: > I say we rationalize all of our mistakes from now on, and to hell with > np: Cinerama/Torina, and I'm relieved that the Manifesto website has > finally fixed the release date of the new Lily's album so I can stop You did that on purpose, didn't you. And what is that release date? (Look, I'm on vacation, so I can't be arsed with looking up something on the web who's URL is probably www.manifestorecords.com or something equally obvius. Or maybe its because the machine I'm on has a weird browser.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:21:28 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Hummer...Satan's Utility Vehicle? I know I've waxed quasi self-righteous on occasion before about these damned things, but good Lord...does one REALLY need a Hummer? Unless you're thinking of forming your own militia I don't think so. I pulled up behind one this morning at a stop light in my Suzuki Swift (aka Geo Metro), and it was like the size of a Winnebago. I felt like I was in a go-cart next to it. A tire on it was about as big as half my car. I'm not kidding. Its gas mileage must be a negative integer. Now there's a Porsche SUV as well. Good grief. If anything good can be said about that, at least they are sleek and Bauhausy German looking, and not like you're driving a house. np: Yello "You Gotta Say Yes to Another Excess" (kidding) - -Mark Staples, who has figured out why there have been no cases of West Nile virus in South Carolina. It hasn't been because of the drought. All the leaking radioactive waste at the Savannah River site has killed off the little buggers.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:56:22 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Hummer...Satan's Utility Vehicle? At 05:21 PM 8/11/2002 EDT, Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: >I know I've waxed quasi self-righteous on occasion before about these damned >things, but good Lord...does one REALLY need a Hummer? Well, no, but not many folks turn one down if it's offered. S NP: MY ALL-AMERICAN GIRL--The Volta Sound ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:05:57 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Layla I think this debate about whether people like the outro or not is missing the essnetial point that the outro really, really makes sense in the context of the album. I know the song is now a radio standard, but I don't think it was ever intended to be released as a single. Aaron, who also likes "Let It Rain" and just about nothing else Clapton did as a solo artist, but thinks the reason Cream and Blind Faith were so boring was Ginger Baker, not Clapton _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:13:42 -0400 From: "Chris Murtland" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Hummer...Satan's Utility Vehicle? Well, does one NEED records? Needs=food, clothing, shelter >things, but good Lord...does one REALLY need a Hummer? Unless you're ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:25:59 -0300 From: John F Butland Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: guitarist poll At 02:47 PM 02-08-11 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >(That is, I like the outro to "Layla." I also like the song itself. But >the remake? If something really good is "to die for," apparently the >remake is to live for.) > But Charlie Daniels' version makes the remake sound like Beethoven's ninth, and does it all in under three minutes. Clapton - Yardbirds - good; Bluesbreakers - amazing; Cream, Blind Faith - had its moments; Derek & Dominoes - see Bluesbreakers; post heroin, booze, and whatever else - yawn. best, jfb John F Butland O- butland@nbnet.nb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:07:55 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] chat? I'll be at irc.eskimo.com #loudfans for about another hour, hoping someone(s)'ll turn up. Just don't tell Jim Gordon what you think of his "Layla" half (you'll end up like his Mom), Andy "Anybody that falls for a Nigerian Letter scam deserves a whack with a stupid stick. That scam is as old as fax machines.'' - --Ray Lauer, FBI spokesman, in response to massive financial losses at the hand of said scam in and around Republic, Washington; from an article by John Craig at http://www.spokesmanreview.com/news-story.asp?date=081102&ID=s1197319 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:42:25 -0400 From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] Re: lil'ys, Manifesto (ns) [jeff said some stuff that follows my reply] Nope, didn't do it on purpose, but I can probably come up with a good excuse. Manifesto had been listing the new lilys' album as due out in "early 2002" for months now. I got so annoyed that I called them up to ask what the problem was. The very nice woman who answered the phone said that it was delayed, and she didn't know why. Just recently, the release date mysteriously changed to early 2003, without comment. I don't know about these Manifesto folks. The lilys' website has kind of sucked for a long time as well, now that I think of it. In the new Pulse there's a brief mention of the fact that Thurston Moore and Kim Gordon have been doing movie reviews on their local cable public access station. I wonder if tapes of *that* are available. I've never seen Thurston and Kim interact in any sort of a normal way (that's based on a few concerts and a few videos, so I'm not saying it never happens). I'm starting to think that guarana may be a little bit more addictive than caffeine. I'm really, really liking this orangina rouge. A little too much... - --dana On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:09:32 -0500 (CDT) Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey writes: > On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 dana-boy@juno.com wrote: > > > I say we rationalize all of our mistakes from now on, and to hell > with > > > np: Cinerama/Torina, and I'm relieved that the Manifesto website > has > > finally fixed the release date of the new Lily's album so I can > stop > > You did that on purpose, didn't you. > > And what is that release date? (Look, I'm on vacation, so I can't be > arsed > with looking up something on the web who's URL is probably > www.manifestorecords.com or something equally obvius. Or maybe its > because > the machine I'm on has a weird browser.) > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:46:01 -0400 From: "Francis J H Park" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Hummer...Satan's Utility Vehicle? As someone who drives a HMMWV on a regular basis, this piqued my attention... Older HMMWVs with the 6.2 engine are maddeningly slow to accelerate. The newer ones with the 6.5l turbocharged engine are actually a lot more fun to drive. The HMMWV has really loose steering because it needs all the power steering it can get. Broken power steering = enough torque on steering wheel to break your wrists if you're not careful driving cross-country. Having had this almost happen to me I can vouch for it. The suspension on all the military HMMWVs is humorlessly rigid. I got into the habit of padding my seat with a folded up blanket when I was riding shotgun because my tuckus got a beating driving over anything that had a bump on it. If I had to drive a military-style SUV, my choice is the Land Rover Defender 90. The Ranger Regiment uses it (a.k.a. Ranger Special Operations Vehicle) and while the RSOV doesn't have the amenities the HMMWV has (roof, windshield), it's far more suited to transporting a Ranger squad and its belt-fed weapons (to include its two automatic rifles and two light machine guns) as well as a heavy machine gun mount for added kick. It's also a lot more agile than the HMMWV and nowhere near as wide. There's also some implied "cool-guy" factor with it being a Land Rover. (One of my classmates at the Infantry Officer Advanced Course had a Defender and would get waved at by all the Rangers who were zipping around Fort Benning in RSOVs.) I tend to crush things underfoot when I drive a HMMWV. I also have yet to roll one over, and given my somewhat assertive tactical driving style (as a commander, I went through three drivers until I got one who understood my desire to go very, very fast), that's a minor miracle. If I got a Hummer (especially a H2), I'd immediately trade it in since my driving needs are more prosaic. The "you're a rich geek" factor of driving a Hummer around any military installation automatically precludes my ever driving one. I can't envision having to fit both of my baby seats in the back of a tactical vehicle. Current daily driver: Acura Integra 2-dr. To be replaced with a VW Passat wagon when I pay off the Ford Exploder my wife currently drives. Mid-life crisis car: Lotus or Caterham Super Seven. Then I have to find a state where "KAR 120C" hasn't been taken as a license plate. Unfortunately, I don't think either of our baby seats'll fit into a Seven, so it'll have to wait a while. Francis J. H. Park http://home.sprintmail.com/~durandal - -- "Ask for my honesty and you'll have my loyalty. Ask for my loyalty and you'll (only) have my honesty." - COL(Ret) John R. Boyd, USAF (1927-1997) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:05:00 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Hummer...Satan's Utility Vehicle? In a message dated 8/11/02 11:46:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, durandal@sprintmail.com writes: > As someone who drives a HMMWV on a regular basis, this piqued my > attention... > > An old friend of mine in the Army reserve drove one of these himself on weekend drills. I have to know: What gas mileage does one of these things get? What concerns me about these things more than anything else is that if some civilian was drunk and driving one, and you were hit by them, you wouldn't have a chance, no matter what you were in. In all honesty, I've owned an SUV myself, though some would laugh, and say not really. My friend Wyatt called it the "girly man Spice Girl jeep." I had a Suzuki X-90 about 5, 6 years ago, but I hated it, 'cause it rode like a log wagon and got crap gas mileage, and I got rid of it. It had cool t-tops though, and I liked its styling (except the Jimmy Buffetesque throw up fabric pattern on the seats, which I had planned on covering). It is now considered the Edsel or Pacer of SUVs. Leave it to me to buy one. I owned a Daihatsu Charade as my first new car too. Boy can I pick 'em. - -Mark Staples ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #273 *******************************