From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #262 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, August 2 2002 Volume 02 : Number 262 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Hawksley Workman [Boyof100lists@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Hawksley Workman [Elizabeth Brion ] [loud-fans] more musical borrowings... [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] attn: font geeks ["John Swartzentruber" ] Re: [loud-fans] Hawksley Workman ["richblath" ] Re: [loud-fans] Hawksley Workman [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] attn: font geeks [John F Butland ] Re: [loud-fans] attn: font geeks [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] GT Question! [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] GT Question! [Matthew Weber ] Re: [loud-fans] GT Question! [Dan Sallitt ] Re: [loud-fans] attn: font geeks [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Jill Olson lyrics ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] GT Question! [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] attn: font geeks ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] attn: font geeks [Tim_Walters@digidesign.com] Re: [loud-fans] attn: font geeks [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] GT Question! [Steve Holtebeck ] Re: [loud-fans] GT Question! [Dan Sallitt ] Re: [loud-fans] attn: font geeks [John F Butland ] Re: [loud-fans] GT Question! [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] GT Question! [Dana Paoli ] [loud-fans] Unfrozen caveman lawyer ["John Sharples" ] Re: [loud-fans] Unfrozen caveman lawyer ["John Sharples" ] [loud-fans] Interview [AWeiss4338@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:55:54 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Hawksley Workman Anybody know of this guy? They're gushing about him on the other list I'm on. I've never heard of him before. Opinions? - -Mark Staples ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:01:41 -0700 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Hawksley Workman Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > > Anybody know of this guy? They're gushing about him on the other list I'm > on. I've never heard of him before. Opinions? Oh, man. Too bad I have to go to work in 5 minutes and my hair's all wet, or I could give you some opinions. The man is amazing. I've listened to his two-and-a-half albums more than pretty much anyone else in the last 18 months or so. And now, I must blow-dry. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:33:21 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] attn: font geeks ok, i'm a little slow on the uptake with e-mail these days. but i fianlly got around to hitting htis link. damn funny. - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" To: "Bucky...Firewoman...and John Cameron Swayze...." Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 8:32 PM Subject: [loud-fans] attn: font geeks > More forwarding from fegmaniax (sorry, fellow loud fegs...) > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 20:51:23 -0400 > From: Stewart Russell > > http://www.cheshiredave.com/mastication/2002/07/0037a-btt.html > > (flash, loud) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:37:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] more musical borrowings... Well, I guess I'm just a li'l ol' music-recognizing machine these few days. Anyway, I was listening to Mercury Rev's _All Is Dream_ the other day, and one of my favorite tracks on that album is "Lincoln's Eyes." I've always found the tune and chord sequence rather haunting. Anyway, after listening to the record, the song was running through my head, and I realized I was putting a different melody atop the whole thing - - which melody also seemed quite familiar. After a bit of puzzling, it came to me: the 2nd movement of Beethoven's 7th symphony. And indeed, *that*'s always been one of my favorites...so I guess I was predisposed to like "Lincoln's Eyes," since the chord sequence is very similar. Hey! Did you guys know that "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and "More Than a Feeling" are practically the same? (not...) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Solipsism is its own reward:: __Crow T. Robot__ np: either "Louie Louie" or "Wild Thing," not sure which. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:38:48 -0700 From: "me" Subject: [loud-fans] robert plant on tour with moe. just got this from another list: Robert Plant and moe. will perform the following concerts: September 2 at Playhouse Square Center in Cleveland, September 4 at Fox Theatre in St. Louis, September 5 at Uptown Theatre in Kansas City, September 7 at Fillmore Auditorium in Denver, September 9 at Berkeley Community Theatre in Berkeley CA, September 10 at Santa Barbara Bowl in Santa Barbara CA, September 12 at Greek Theatre in Los Angeles, September 13 at Hard Rock Hotel - The Joint in Las Vegas, September 20-21 at Beacon Theatre in New York City, September 22 at State Theatre in Ithaca NY, September 24 at Orpheum Theatre in Madison WI, September 25 at The Rave in Milwaukee, September 26 at State Theatre in Kalamazoo MI, September 27 at Egyptian Room in Indianapolis, and September 28 at Taft Theatre in Cincinnati. Robert Plant will also perform: July 22 at Eagles Ballroom in Milwaukee, July 24 at Hammerstein Ballroom in New York City, July 26 at Tweeter Center in Mansfield MA, July 27 at Tweeter Center at the Waterfront in Camden NJ, July 29 at Hersheypark Stadium in Hershey PA, July 31, August 1, and August 3-4 at Madison Square Garden in New York City, August 23 at Palace of Auburn Hills in Auburn Hills MI, August 24 at Tweeter Center in Tinley Park IL, August 25 at Deer Creek in Noblesville IN, August 27 at Van Andel Arena in Grand Rapids MI, August 28 at Polaris Amphitheatre in Cincinnati, August 30 at PNC Bank Arts Center in Holmdel NJ, August 31 at Jones Beach Tehatre in Wantagh NY, October 15 at Birmingham Academy in Birmingham UK and October 28 at Bristol Academy in Bristol UK. +~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ tour info tunes-tour@tuneslist.com the tunes list http://www.tuneslist.com to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE, email majordomo@tuneslist.com with "subscribe tunes-tour" or "unsubscribe tunes-tour" in the body of the message. +~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:39:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Hawksley Workman On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Elizabeth Brion wrote: > Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > > > > Anybody know of this guy? They're gushing about him on the other list I'm > > on. I've never heard of him before. Opinions? > > Oh, man. Too bad I have to go to work in 5 minutes and my hair's all > wet, or I could give you some opinions. The man is amazing. I've > listened to his two-and-a-half albums more than pretty much anyone else > in the last 18 months or so. And now, I must blow-dry. I have _For Him and the Girls_, and I like it pretty well - although at times it's a bit *Broadway* for me. I've heard lots of good things about his follow-up (title forgotten), but I haven't heard it. I included a track on a mix a year or so ago, but that person seemed unimpressed with his voice - which, admittedly, is an acquired taste (me, I like it). I'm pretty sure Stewart's a fan - maybe he'll weigh in. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Solipsism is its own reward:: __Crow T. Robot__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:51:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] attn: font geeks On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, me wrote: > ok, i'm a little slow on the uptake with e-mail these days. but i fianlly > got around to hitting htis link. damn funny. > -- > > > > http://www.cheshiredave.com/mastication/2002/07/0037a-btt.html And be it noted: Cooper Black puts in a cameo appearance doing the credits to the new (rather belabored, although having its moments) Austin Powers movie. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Never drive a car when you're dead:: __Tom Waits__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:04:02 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] attn: font geeks irrelevant side note: when i was about 15-16, i worked in a screen printing shop. we also did heat applied lettering, usually for teams' player's names. (and there you have all 3 uses - s', 's, and just plain s.) we only had about 12 different fonts, and my three most hated ones were (and still are) Cooper (which was cooper black) and Little Cooper (not just smaller, it was actually a bit different) and Brush Script. i don't understand what caused this loathing, but, irrational as it may be, it was sure there. if i ever have to see those again.... - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" To: "Bucky...Firewoman...and John Cameron Swayze...." Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] attn: font geeks > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, me wrote: > > > ok, i'm a little slow on the uptake with e-mail these days. but i fianlly > > got around to hitting htis link. damn funny. > > -- > > > > > > http://www.cheshiredave.com/mastication/2002/07/0037a-btt.html > > And be it noted: Cooper Black puts in a cameo appearance doing the credits > to the new (rather belabored, although having its moments) Austin Powers > movie. > > --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html > ::Never drive a car when you're dead:: > __Tom Waits__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 17:28:21 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] attn: font geeks On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:04:02 -0700, me wrote: >when i was about 15-16, i worked in a screen printing shop. we also did >heat applied lettering, usually for teams' player's names. (and there you >have all 3 uses - s', 's, and just plain s.) Were they the names of the players or the names of the player? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:32:21 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] attn: font geeks oops. i've been caught. - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Swartzentruber" To: "Bucky...Firewoman...and John Cameron Swayze...." Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] attn: font geeks > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:04:02 -0700, me wrote: > > >when i was about 15-16, i worked in a screen printing shop. we also did > >heat applied lettering, usually for teams' player's names. (and there you > >have all 3 uses - s', 's, and just plain s.) > > Were they the names of the players or the names of the player? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:36:15 +0100 From: "richblath" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Hawksley Workman I saw him live supporting Grand Drive in York - the old one - and he put on a great show. as yet I've not listened to the album I bought on the night more than a couple of times as it tends to suffer in comparison with his live performance. If he's in town I'd definitely try to find time to go see, but am not convinced on the album front. Richard - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" To: "where they sleep better knowing stuff" Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Hawksley Workman > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Elizabeth Brion wrote: > > > Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > Anybody know of this guy? They're gushing about him on the other list I'm > > > on. I've never heard of him before. Opinions? > > > > Oh, man. Too bad I have to go to work in 5 minutes and my hair's all > > wet, or I could give you some opinions. The man is amazing. I've > > listened to his two-and-a-half albums more than pretty much anyone else > > in the last 18 months or so. And now, I must blow-dry. > > I have _For Him and the Girls_, and I like it pretty well - although at > times it's a bit *Broadway* for me. I've heard lots of good things about > his follow-up (title forgotten), but I haven't heard it. I included a > track on a mix a year or so ago, but that person seemed unimpressed with > his voice - which, admittedly, is an acquired taste (me, I like it). > > I'm pretty sure Stewart's a fan - maybe he'll weigh in. > > --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html > ::Solipsism is its own reward:: > __Crow T. Robot__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 17:56:58 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Hawksley Workman At 03:39 PM 8/1/2002 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >I have _For Him and the Girls_, and I like it pretty well - although at >times it's a bit *Broadway* for me. I've heard lots of good things about >his follow-up (title forgotten), but I haven't heard it. I included a >track on a mix a year or so ago, but that person seemed unimpressed with >his voice - which, admittedly, is an acquired taste (me, I like it). > >I'm pretty sure Stewart's a fan - maybe he'll weigh in. I'm not nearly as sold as Elizabeth -- both FOR HIM AND THE GIRLS and LAST NIGHT WE WERE THE DELICIOUS WOLVES are pretty great, and I'd love to see him live sometime, but I do occasionally find his stuff a little too...hmm...mannered may be the word I'm looking for, but that's not *quite* it. Kind of like the Monochrome Set, I occasionally get the feeling that all of his music is a giant put-on, which can be a little annoying if I don't happen to be in the mood for it. Given a choice, I'd rather listen to John Southworth. S NP: Le Meilleur de Chaba Zahouania ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 20:12:42 -0300 From: John F Butland Subject: Re: [loud-fans] attn: font geeks At 10:33 AM 02-08-01 -0700, me wrote: I also just checked this out and thought it was great, but was very surprised to see somebody I knew in it. Chank Diesel was my editor at Cake (Toast's precursor) many years ago. >ok, i'm a little slow on the uptake with e-mail these days. but i fianlly >got around to hitting htis link. damn funny. >-- >"Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." >-- > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" >To: "Bucky...Firewoman...and John Cameron Swayze...." >Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 8:32 PM >Subject: [loud-fans] attn: font geeks > > >> More forwarding from fegmaniax (sorry, fellow loud fegs...) >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 20:51:23 -0400 >> From: Stewart Russell >> >> http://www.cheshiredave.com/mastication/2002/07/0037a-btt.html >> >> (flash, loud) > best, jfb John F Butland O- butland@nbnet.nb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:26:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] attn: font geeks On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, John F Butland wrote: > I also just checked this out and thought it was great, but was very > surprised to see somebody I knew in it. Chank Diesel was my editor at Cake > (Toast's precursor) many years ago. > >> > >> http://www.cheshiredave.com/mastication/2002/07/0037a-btt.html Not too surprising...Chank's a pretty well known font dude. So let's see...Cake is toast, and Toast is burnt - who else do you write for, John, that's *gonna go down*? (I'm sure it's not your fault - I mean, most small zines can surely afford those coke'n'whore binges, right?) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, waiting till next February to see if Milk's editor pokes his head out to see if the sun's shining... J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::No man is an island. ::But if you take a bunch of dead guys and tie 'em together, ::they make a pretty good raft. __Max Cannon__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:30:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: [loud-fans] GT Question! Tonight in the record store, they were playing "Seattle" as performed by Bobby Sherman, and found on "Tube Tunes, Vol 1." I'm only familiar with GT's version on BSC, and I was wondering whether this was the original. The clerks didn't know. So in checking allmusic for the title "Seattle", I see that GT's version is credited to "Guaraldi" but the Bobby Sherman version I heard is credited to "Keller/Montenegro". So who did write the song? And is there an official "original" version? (Allmusic shows the song appearing on a Perry Como collection) Bluer skies a couple hours south, - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 19:38:43 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] GT Question! At 07:30 PM 8/1/2002 -0400, Michael Mitton wrote: >Tonight in the record store, they were playing "Seattle" as performed by >Bobby Sherman, and found on "Tube Tunes, Vol 1." I'm only familiar with >GT's version on BSC, and I was wondering whether this was the original. >The clerks didn't know. Yes, it was the theme to Here Come the Brides, a late '60s show starring Sherman. > >So in checking allmusic for the title "Seattle", I see that GT's version >is credited to "Guaraldi" but the Bobby Sherman version I heard is >credited to "Keller/Montenegro". So who did write the song? And is there >an official "original" version? (Allmusic shows the song appearing on a >Perry Como collection) Like so many things on All Music Guide -- and I'm allowed to say that since I work there -- the listing is wrong. "Seattle" was written by Jack Keller and Hugo Montenegro. ("Linus and Lucy," another of the bonus tracks on BSC, was written by Vince Guaraldi.) And as far as I know, Sherman's version is the first. S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 16:38:05 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] GT Question! At 07:30 PM 8/1/02 -0400, Michael Mitton wrote: >Tonight in the record store, they were playing "Seattle" as performed by >Bobby Sherman, and found on "Tube Tunes, Vol 1." I'm only familiar with >GT's version on BSC, and I was wondering whether this was the original. >The clerks didn't know. > >So in checking allmusic for the title "Seattle", I see that GT's version >is credited to "Guaraldi" but the Bobby Sherman version I heard is >credited to "Keller/Montenegro". So who did write the song? And is there >an official "original" version? (Allmusic shows the song appearing on a >Perry Como collection) > >Bluer skies a couple hours south, >--Michael Allmusic.com's brilliant editorial & discographic control strikes again! :P "Seattle" is indeed by Keller & Montenegro. Vince Guaraldi is actually the composer of "Linus and Lucy," which is another bonus track on BSC. Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley How are the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle! The Holy Bible (The Old Testament): _The Second Book of Samuel_, chapter 1, verse 25 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 19:38:26 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] GT Question! > Tonight in the record store, they were playing "Seattle" as performed by > Bobby Sherman, and found on "Tube Tunes, Vol 1." I'm only familiar with > GT's version on BSC, and I was wondering whether this was the original. > The clerks didn't know. I think Bobby Sherman sang the original. Anyway, it was a top forty hit back in the sixties. > So in checking allmusic for the title "Seattle", I see that GT's version > is credited to "Guaraldi" but the Bobby Sherman version I heard is > credited to "Keller/Montenegro". So who did write the song? And is there > an official "original" version? (Allmusic shows the song appearing on a > Perry Como collection) I bet "Guaraldi" is a mistake - that's the writer of "Linus and Lucy." At any rate, Game Theory definitely covers the same song that was a sixties hit. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:46:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] attn: font geeks On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, me wrote: > fonts, and my three most hated ones were (and still are) Cooper (which was > cooper black) and Little Cooper (not just smaller, it was actually a bit > different) and Brush Script. Those are pretty lame - but not as bad as Comic Sans (whose original name I knew but can't recall - anyone?) or the awful Mistral. A few years back, there was this vogue for French Script - which I kind of liked, but it was way overused... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 19:48:58 -0400 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] GT Question! IIRC, the original version was by Perry Como, released in 1967 or 1968. (It was in fairly heavy rotation at WHDH in Boston, the first radio station I remember listening to. At that time, I wondered about this place called Siano that Perry was singing about.) Allmusic must have screwed up the songwriting listings, because the Guaraldi they mention must be Vince Guaraldi, who wrote "Linus & Lucy", along with all the other early Peanuts special music. The Keller/Montenegro credit is more likely to be correct. MB np: Little Village, "She Runs Hot" At 07:30 PM 8/1/2002 -0400, Michael Mitton wrote: >Tonight in the record store, they were playing "Seattle" as performed by >Bobby Sherman, and found on "Tube Tunes, Vol 1." I'm only familiar with >GT's version on BSC, and I was wondering whether this was the original. >The clerks didn't know. > >So in checking allmusic for the title "Seattle", I see that GT's version >is credited to "Guaraldi" but the Bobby Sherman version I heard is >credited to "Keller/Montenegro". So who did write the song? And is there >an official "original" version? (Allmusic shows the song appearing on a >Perry Como collection) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:59:55 -0700 From: "me" Subject: [loud-fans] Jill Olson lyrics there's a line in Boomerang that i'm sure is not what i keep hearing. i'm pretty sure it's actually 'get myself decent and honest', but i keep hearing 'get myself de-scented, honest'. which sort of makes sense. if the song was about a skunk. - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 20:01:27 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] GT Question! At 07:48 PM 8/1/2002 -0400, Michael Bowen wrote: >IIRC, the original version was by Perry Como, released in 1967 or 1968. June 1969, according to the Perry Como discography at http://home.istar.ca/~townsend/pop_standards/seattle.htm (the net never ceases to amaze me). Since the show debuted in the fall of 1968, before Como's single was even recorded, Bobby Sherman's version must have come first. The things I look up to keep from actually working. S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:02:46 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] attn: font geeks Comic Sans - i don't know what the original was, but there was a mac version i really liked (yes, i hate comic sans, too) called Draftsman or something like that. there was also a version called Technical. those two were pretty nice. when i was designing scenery for theatres, i had a beautiful resume that was printed in bark blue in a flecked light blue paper, complete with my vitals in a title block, and it was all in Technical. i had job offers i'm convinced were solely from the resume design. only in theatre could you get away with somethign like that. - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" To: "One Day the Diamonds Were All Depleted Uranium" Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] attn: font geeks > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, me wrote: > > > fonts, and my three most hated ones were (and still are) Cooper (which was > > cooper black) and Little Cooper (not just smaller, it was actually a bit > > different) and Brush Script. > > Those are pretty lame - but not as bad as Comic Sans (whose original name > I knew but can't recall - anyone?) or the awful Mistral. A few years back, > there was this vogue for French Script - which I kind of liked, but it was > way overused... > > --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html > ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? > __Captain Beefheart__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:08:21 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] attn: font geeks >Those are pretty lame - but not as bad as Comic Sans (whose original name >I knew but can't recall - anyone?) or the awful Mistral. A few years back, >there was this vogue for French Script - which I kind of liked, but it was >way overused... Usually it's not so much that a font is horrible as that it's both very common and badly used. After one has seen 53 lost-cat flyers set entirely in the completely inappropriate Zapf Chancery, it's hard to remember that the font has some value when you need to emulate Renaissance cursive handwriting, or would have if it didn't make the reader subconsiously go "bleagh" due to overexposure. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 20:21:27 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] attn: font geeks Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > So let's see...Cake is toast, and Toast is burnt - who else do you write > for, John, that's *gonna go down*? Yeah, John, don't drag Tone and Groove down. > (I'm sure it's not your fault - I mean, most small zines can surely afford > those coke'n'whore binges, right?) heheh... I don't have to afford those. I don't pay anybody (except the ISP). Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 17:16:40 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] GT Question! Stewart Mason wrote: > Like so many things on All Music Guide -- and I'm allowed to say that since > I work there -- the listing is wrong. "Seattle" was written by Jack Keller > and Hugo Montenegro. ("Linus and Lucy," another of the bonus tracks on > BSC, was written by Vince Guaraldi.) And as far as I know, Sherman's > version is the first. In deference to Stewart and all the other hardworking contributors to allmusic.com, this error came directly from the booklet of the Alias cd issue of Big Shot Chronicles. On the BSC cd, track #15 ("Seattle") was credited to Guaraldi and track #16 ("Linus and Lucy") was credited to Keller/Montenegro/Sheldon, when it should of been the other way around. On that very same cd, Track #13 ("Girl W/A Guitar") is credited to Scott Miller, even though the exact same song was called "Girl With The Guitar" on the Three O'Clock's Arrive Without Traveling album and credited to Scott Miller and Michael Quercio. Still not sure what's up with that. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 20:14:45 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] GT Question! > >IIRC, the original version was by Perry Como, released in 1967 or 1968. > > June 1969, according to the Perry Como discography at > http://home.istar.ca/~townsend/pop_standards/seattle.htm (the net never > ceases to amaze me). Since the show debuted in the fall of 1968, before > Como's single was even recorded, Bobby Sherman's version must have come first. But the page doesn't say when the single was released, as far as I can tell - just when the album was released. The single was recorded in Oct. 68; I'd guess it was released before the album. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 21:14:32 -0300 From: John F Butland Subject: Re: [loud-fans] attn: font geeks At 06:26 PM 02-08-01 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, John F Butland wrote: > >> I also just checked this out and thought it was great, but was very >> surprised to see somebody I knew in it. Chank Diesel was my editor at Cake >> (Toast's precursor) many years ago. > >> >> >> >> http://www.cheshiredave.com/mastication/2002/07/0037a-btt.html > >Not too surprising...Chank's a pretty well known font dude. Surprising in that it was somebody I knew, but you're right, in hindsight, it makes perfect sense. And he does make some really neat fonts. >So let's see...Cake is toast, and Toast is burnt - who else do you write >for, John, that's *gonna go down*? I think everybody else is safe - I'm on semi-permanent hiatus after ten years of word hacking. It's really quite enjoyable to take day trips on a whim without having to worry about deadlines. And I've become reaquainted with my CD catalogue items, reduced the reading pile substantially, seen a slew of movies thanks to DVD, and spent some quantity and quality time with my year and half old niece. "Cake is Toast" was the the title of the news release sent out to announce the change, btw. >(I'm sure it's not your fault - I mean, most small zines can surely afford >those coke'n'whore binges, right?) You'd think so. >--Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, waiting till next February to see if Milk's >editor pokes his head out to see if the sun's shining... > Oops, that may have been my last victim. I made a pitch to whatshisname before heading off into the sunset. ;^) np: The Jam @ the BBC (what a great band - not dated at all) best, jfb John F Butland O- butland@nbnet.nb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 21:22:40 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] GT Question! At 05:16 PM 8/1/2002 -0700, Steve Holtebeck wrote: >On that very same cd, Track #13 ("Girl W/A Guitar") is credited to Scott >Miller, even though the exact same song was called "Girl With The >Guitar" on the Three O'Clock's Arrive Without Traveling album and >credited to Scott Miller and Michael Quercio. Still not sure what's up >with that. My assumption has always been that Quercio's contribution is the middle eight that's on the Three O'Clock version but not the GT version, which kind of comes out of nowhere and does rather sound like it was welded onto the song after the fact. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:04:49 -0400 From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] GT Question! Stewart: Like so many things on All Music Guide -- and I'm allowed to say that since I work there -- the listing is wrong. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [posting this on-list since it seems plausible that others might be interested] I never noticed until just now that AMG has reviews of individual songs. Or at least, there's one for Erica's Word by...Stewart. Hey Stewart, are there a lot of these song reviews on AMG? Maybe I just wasn't paying attention. (Oh, I see that there's on for Easiest Job as well). On the subject of AMG, do you happen to know how to go about getting changes made to band info on the Allmusic guide? The Dustdevils section just bothers me, as they deserve better. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:23:10 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: [loud-fans] Unfrozen caveman lawyer Dana: >I never noticed until just now that AMG has reviews of individual songs. Yeah they've been doing that for a while. >On the subject of AMG, do you happen to know how to go about getting >changes made to band info on the Allmusic guide? The Dustdevils section >just bothers me, as they deserve better. I was always bothered by Allmusic's unforgiveably lame dismissal of Christmas, and was delighted to discover that it had been completely replaced by excellent pieces by none other than Stewart! Since then, I've come across a few more of his entries, and they're always first-rate. I've praised Mr. Mason for this privately but I'd like to add my props here on the list!! Now, can something please be done about SECRET TREATIES? JS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 22:31:17 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Unfrozen caveman lawyer John Sharples wrote: So how'd the bar exams go, John? - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:48:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] GT Question! I'm pretty sure that you are absolutely correct. (Hey Dan Vallor! Is this right?) Gil - --- Stewart Mason wrote: > My assumption has always been that Quercio's > contribution is the middle > eight that's on the Three O'Clock version but not > the GT version, which > kind of comes out of nowhere and does rather sound > like it was welded onto > the song after the fact. > > Stewart Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:21:09 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Unfrozen caveman lawyer >So how'd the bar exams go, John? - Dan It was rough. Apparently, the New York State Bar Examiners decided last summer that too many people were passing, so they've made the exam even more deviously difficult (a NYSBE supervisor confirmed to me that this is exactly what they're doing). Even the very best students I know (not just slackers like me!) felt there was a lot of stuff on the exam that we never covered in the prep courses. I guess if the state feels there are too many lawyers that's their perogative, but it's pretty disheartening to learn, after you've put yourself $100,000 in debt that it's now almost impossible to be certain you can get a license no matter how hard you study. I'm fortunate that I have a job, and one that won't be jeopardized if I have to take the exam again in February, but right now my heart is aching for a lot of my friends. Personally, I think I did reasonably well on the test, although I recognized that it was ridiculously hard. I'll honestly have no idea if I passed until the results are announced in October. It's nice to be back on loud-fans! JS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 04:18:37 +0100 From: "richblath" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Unfrozen caveman lawyer I'm assuming this is the same Christmas who were contemporaries of GT & Let's Active. If so, I'd never heard of them until an auction for a single of theirs appeared in my usual GT search. It's currently there - apologies I don't have the URL to hand. Richard - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Sharples" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 3:23 AM Subject: [loud-fans] Unfrozen caveman lawyer > Dana: > > >I never noticed until just now that AMG has reviews of individual songs. > > Yeah they've been doing that for a while. > > >On the subject of AMG, do you happen to know how to go about getting > >changes made to band info on the Allmusic guide? The Dustdevils section > >just bothers me, as they deserve better. > > I was always bothered by Allmusic's unforgiveably lame dismissal of > Christmas, and was delighted to discover that it had been completely > replaced by excellent pieces by none other than Stewart! Since then, I've > come across a few more of his entries, and they're always first-rate. I've > praised Mr. Mason for this privately but I'd like to add my props here on > the list!! > > Now, can something please be done about SECRET TREATIES? > > JS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:29:21 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Unfrozen caveman lawyer Rich: >I'm assuming this is the same Christmas who were contemporaries of GT & >Let's Active. If so, I'd never heard of them until an auction for a single >of theirs appeared in my usual GT search. It's currently there - apologies I >don't have the URL to hand. I don't know of more than one band called Christmas. This is the Boston band with Michael Cudahy and Liz Cox, who recorded for Big Time, IRS, and Matador in the 80s, and later mutated into Combustible Edison. Good band. JS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 01:08:46 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Christmas Dana says: > I was always bothered by Allmusic's unforgiveably lame dismissal of > > Christmas I used to have a CD of theirs about ten years ago, but I forgot the name of it. It had a cat in the cover art I remember. They were compared to the B-52's, but I didn't really hear it. What was the name of that album? I don't think a search using the word "Christmas" would be good in this situation. - -Mark Staples ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:13:49 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Unfrozen caveman lawyer At 11:29 PM -0400 8/1/02, John Sharples wrote: > >I don't know of more than one band called Christmas. This is the Boston >band with Michael Cudahy and Liz Cox, who recorded for Big Time, IRS, and >Matador in the 80s, and later mutated into Combustible Edison. Good band. There was also a Canadian psych band called Christmas in the late 60s/early 70s. They mutated into a prog-rock group called The Spirit of Christmas. The Laser's Edge re-mastered & reissued their recordings some time in the early 1990s; the Christmas LP is quite nice in a low-key psychedelic way; the later recordings overreach themselves a bit. Matt Oh me, I have been struck a mortal blow right inside. Aeschylus (525/4-456 B.C.), Agamemnon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 23:15:20 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Christmas At Friday 8/2/2002 01:08 AM -0400, Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: >I used to have a CD of theirs about ten years ago, but I forgot the name of >it. It had a cat in the cover art I remember. They were compared to the >B-52's, but I didn't really hear it. What was the name of that album? I >don't think a search using the word "Christmas" would be good in this >situation. Well, I suppose you can always check out Stewart's write-up on them in the All Music Guide, which was discussed previously in this thread: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Bolozefbkogf1 Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 01:57:13 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Interview From another list: http://bostonphoenix.com/boston/music/cellars/documents/02378178.htm It's an interview with Tayna Donally and Juliana Hatfield, and it's great, especially when they talk about the state of woman musicians today. Andrea ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #262 *******************************