From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #253 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, July 24 2002 Volume 02 : Number 253 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Re: my mom... [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] Jem the homewrecker? (ns) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] we're looking for a few good mixers ["jer fairall" ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: my mom... [Matthew Weber ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: my mom... [Steve Holtebeck ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: my mom... [jenny grover ] [loud-fans] dig this-- [jenny grover ] [loud-fans] modest proposal (ns) [Dana Paoli ] Re:Re: [loud-fans] Jem the homewrecker? (ns) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey <] Re: [loud-fans] dig this-- [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Half-year lists? [Dan Sallitt ] Re: [loud-fans] we're looking for a few good mixers [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Je] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Half-year lists? [Bill Silvers ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Half-year lists? [Michael Zwirn ] [loud-fans] Hank Dogs [Boyof100lists@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] modest proposal (ns) [jenny grover ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:55:27 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: my mom... On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > soundlng like I'm from California, which I think is a tad stretching it, but > I take that as a compliment. Since we talk about linguistic trends, I i sorta think of california as accent-less, actually. i spose this could be tv's fault. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:21:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jem the homewrecker? (ns) On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Dana Paoli wrote: > I'm actually very irritated by this, if it's true... > > http://www.nerve.com/screeningroom/music/luna/ > > ...but I'm wondering if it's not. I was kind of distracted when I talked > with Dean several years ago, but I seem to recall that he had a wife and > new child. Not that that necessarily means that he couldn't decide to do > it with the bass player, but it just seems like a tacky move. Maybe that marriage broke up? So, uh, interband romances (hey! that sounds almost like an album title!) are invariably a bad idea? I guess I'm not sure why you're just *assuming* that the Wareham/Phillips thing had any relation to a several-years-ago marriage, unless you'd just seen Dean and Claudia hanging about together recently over coffee or something. Without their lawyers. I'm trying to give a damn, but it just ain't happening. Jeff, damnless Ceci n'est pas une .sig ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:36:44 -0700 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jem the homewrecker? (ns) On 7/22/02, JRT456@aol.com wrote: >However, I'll still think of Marti >Jones as the great Homewrecker of Indie Rock. Okay, I'll bite. Why? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:05:56 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: [loud-fans] If 2 Was 125 http://www.salon.com/ent/col/marc/2002/07/23/73/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:44:59 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: my mom... In a message dated 7/23/02 8:56:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dmw@radix.net writes: > i sorta think of california as accent-less, actually. i spose this could > be tv's fault. > Absolutely. And peer groups, class distinctions, what have you, also play a huge part in how you speak. My boss is about 62, and she is country FRIED, no doubt about it. Media wasn't nearly as much of an influence in her upbringing. She still lives out "in the country," though that doesn't seem like it really exists as much as it once did (what with everybody having the same stores in their malls, as Douggie Coupland once wrote...which is partly why the movie "Mr. Deeds" didn't work for me, but that's another story). She says words like "reckon" and phrases like "out yonder" (which sounds like "outchonder"). She speaks this way with everyone, and I've seen workmen in the building, typically from the country themselves, talk differently with her than with me. With me they will speak more clearly, though there will still be an accent, and with her, it's like I just tuned in to a talk show on CMT or something. I feel like it's the backstage pass I'm not allowed to have (thought I'm not sure if I want it). Older Greenvillians from the McDaniel Ave. area (our old monied posh street) have an accent all their own, and I find it amusing. It sounds really Southern and snotty: "I just don't know about that Staples boy...he went to a STATE school you know." lol - -Mark Staples ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:46:18 GMT From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re:Re: [loud-fans] Jem the homewrecker? (ns) Maybe that marriage broke up? So, uh, interband romances (hey! that sounds almost like an album title!) are invariably a bad idea? I guess I'm not sure why you're just *assuming* that the Wareham/Phillips thing had any relation to a several-years-ago marriage, unless you'd just seen Dean and Claudia hanging about together recently over coffee or something. Without their lawyers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Call me old fashioned, but I think it's a little lame to hire a hot blond bass player to replace the previous, bald, male bass player, and then, surprise surprise, wind up dating her several years down the road. And I'm pretty sure that Dean had just had a kid about two years ago. I could be remembering wrong, in which case I'm not quite as irked. Still, it's all kind of predictable and sad. If it's true. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:54:57 -0500 From: zkk46@ttacs.ttu.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: my mom... Quoting Boyof100lists@aol.com: > In a message dated 7/23/02 8:56:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dmw@radix.net > writes: > > > > i sorta think of california as accent-less, actually. i spose this could > > be tv's fault. > > > Hey, I thought Spicoli's accent from Fast Times at Ridgemont High was the typical Californian accent. As evidence, both Bill and Ted had it as well. Are you saying that accent is fake? Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:41:34 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: my mom... At 01:54 PM 7/23/02 -0500, zkk46@ttacs.ttu.edu wrote: >Hey, I thought Spicoli's accent from Fast Times at >Ridgemont High was the typical Californian accent. As >evidence, both Bill and Ted had it as well. Are you >saying that accent is fake? Uhm, SOUTHERN California accent, I hasten to add. No disrespect to the Angelenos on the list, but SoCal is its own thing. North of the Bay, California is largely rural and most of those folks sound pretty much like rural Midwesterners. Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley Saul hath slain his thousands, and David his ten thousands. The Holy Bible (The Old Testament): _The First Book of Samuel_, chapter 18, verse 7 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:52:22 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: my mom... At 12:41 PM 7/23/2002 -0700, Matthew Weber wrote: >Uhm, SOUTHERN California accent, I hasten to add. No disrespect to the >Angelenos on the list, but SoCal is its own thing. North of the Bay, >California is largely rural and most of those folks sound pretty much like >rural Midwesterners. Which is its own distinctive accent as well: very flat and broad, with some nasal tones. "Like a bandsaw cutting galvanized tin" is I believe how Kurt Vonnegut described it. Stewart, whose accent is still a combination of west Texas and northern Colorado (which sounds surprisingly like southern California for some reason) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:06:24 -0400 From: "jer fairall" Subject: [loud-fans] we're looking for a few good mixers I joined a Yahoo group dedicated to mix tape (or CD) trading about a year ago. They've been inactive for most of that time but we're trying to start it up again by getting more people to join. It works pretty much the same as the Loud Swap, only without the reviews. The group that we have now seems to have pretty eclectic tastes, though indie-rock and electronica seem to be the most popular genres of choice. If anyone's interested, follow this link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/random_tape_trade/join Jer np: Christine Fellows, THE LAST ONE STANDING Will antibiotics work in 20 years? End the misuse of Antibiotics: http://www.care2.com/go/z/1425 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:06:50 +0100 From: "richblath" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: my mom... Don't know about rural California, but just after the 1st Bill & Ted film was released and people were quoting it all over the place, my mate and I bumped into a couple of San Fransiscans in Glen Nevis youth hostel who claimed that B&T were definitely SoCal/Angelinos and therefore totally different in speech patterns and accent to people from their part of the state - before disproving their own point every time they opened their mouths! Possibly irony? well, if it was, the managed to keep the possiblem joke going for about 6 hours straight! Richard - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Weber" As > >evidence, both Bill and Ted had it as well. Are you > >saying that accent is fake? > > > > Uhm, SOUTHERN California accent, I hasten to add. No disrespect to the > Angelenos on the list, but SoCal is its own thing. North of the Bay, > California is largely rural and most of those folks sound pretty much like > rural Midwesterners. > > > Matthew Weber > Curatorial Assistant > Music Library > University of California, Berkeley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:07:32 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: my mom... At 10:06 PM 7/23/02 +0100, richblath wrote: >Don't know about rural California, but just after the 1st Bill & Ted film >was released and people were quoting it all over the place, my mate and I >bumped into a couple of San Fransiscans in Glen Nevis youth hostel who >claimed that B&T were definitely SoCal/Angelinos and therefore totally >different in speech patterns and accent to people from their part of the >state - before disproving their own point every time they opened their >mouths! Possibly irony? well, if it was, the managed to keep the possiblem >joke going for about 6 hours straight! Most Americans would think Scouse & Geordie sound identical as well, because they don't know what to listen for; likewise, I'd guess most non-American English speakers might find few differences between NorCal and SoCal accents. Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley Saul hath slain his thousands, and David his ten thousands. The Holy Bible (The Old Testament): _The First Book of Samuel_, chapter 18, verse 7 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:08:05 -0700 From: "West Moran" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: my mom... > On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > > > soundlng like I'm from California, which I think is a tad stretching it, but > > I take that as a compliment. Since we talk about linguistic trends, I > > i sorta think of california as accent-less, actually. i spose this could > be tv's fault. In the Los Angeles office in which I toil, there is: A vaguely Midwestern accent; A New York accent (Brooklyn?); A... jeez, how do you describe the way some black people speak without sounding racist? I really don't mean to; A Chinese accent; A Middle-Eastern accent; A Filipino accent (although as I understand it, their language is actually called Tagalog, so is Tagalogese a word as it relates to their accent?); A Mexican accent (and there are so many more of these than television would care to admit); And me... I really don't have any accent, which is very confusing for people at first, since I am Hispanic; at first sight, people in this town expect me to speak with an accent, or actually speak Spanish, which I unfortunately do not. I'm part of a slowly growing minority-within-a-minority of Americans of Hispanic descent who never learned to speak Spanish. Here are two things I have never gotten used to: white people telling me "you speak English very well" (usually after handing them a form which requires me to indicate my race), and Mexicans giving me dirty looks after asking me a question in Spanish, only to be met with my reply of "I'm sorry, I can't understand you" in English. Life's like that sometimes. Adios dudes, West. "I AM back where I came from, fuckhead." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:51:24 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: my mom... zkk46@ttacs.ttu.edu wrote: > Hey, I thought Spicoli's accent from Fast Times at > Ridgemont High was the typical Californian accent. As > evidence, both Bill and Ted had it as well. Are you > saying that accent is fake? The Spicoli/Bill&Ted accent is more Southern Californian, but was also prevalent in the Bay Area suburbs, like where I grew up in Contra Costa county. After my family moved from California to Singapore in 1981, I remember people looking at me like I was from another planet for using CA teenage words like "gnarly" and "bogus". One year later "gnarly" and "bogus" fell into common usage everywhere, thanks to FAST TIMES and Jeff Spicoli. I think "bodacious" came a little later. I think California is sort of accent-less, because California actually has a million different accents that cancel each other out. Americans who've lived overseas for awhile always sound like they're from California! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:31:57 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: my mom... West Moran wrote: > And me... I really don't have any accent I can't tell you how many people I know or have met have told me "I really don't have an accent," yet they do. Granted, some accents are more subtle than others. I've been told that by people from Detroit, Buffalo, New Jersey, etc. who all had *something* in their speech that was regional. So, I contend that pretty much everyone has some kind of accent, even if it's not something as pronounced as, say, a South Alabama accent. Jen (who speaks a horrendous mish-mosh of Southern, Appalachian, East Coast, Midwest, and a touch of Seattle) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:19:30 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: [loud-fans] dig this-- http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/26272.html http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/26296.html http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/26339.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:15:29 -0400 From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] modest proposal (ns) I've been thinking for a while that it might be nice if we included at least a tiny bit of explanation when posting links, so that people might be able to decide if it's worth clicking or not. For example, instead of saying: Hey guys!! www.boringstuff.com/drearygrunge/obscurebassplayers we might write: Hey guys!! www.kitties.com/cutephotos/ofcutekittens/playingwithstring (This is a link to a wonderful, wonderful page so glorious that it defies explanation) That way people'll have at least a little bit of info to go on when deciding whether to click the link or not. - --dana *Yes I'm posting this right after Jenny did it, but I've done it myself and feel great shame. And I really have been thinking for a while that it might be a nice thing to do. Anyways, I hope that everyone who agrees that it's a good idea will do it. Thank you and goodnight. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:52:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re:Re: [loud-fans] Jem the homewrecker? (ns) On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 dana-boy@juno.com wrote: > Call me old fashioned, but I think it's a little lame to hire a hot > blond bass player to replace the previous, bald, male bass player, and > then, surprise surprise, wind up dating her several years down the road. > And I'm pretty sure that Dean had just had a kid about two years ago. I > could be remembering wrong, in which case I'm not quite as irked. Well, I suppose it's lame if he hired her because she's hot and blonde, and if other non-hot, non-blonde, non-female bass players who auditioned were all better than she was on the bass guitar. Because it would be even more lame to *not* hire her on the grounds that people would think there was more than her bass-playing to her being in the band. And didn't the article have Wareham say the two of them had just recently gotten together romantica-lly? (sorry...) - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Sting, where is thy death?:: __Alan Gray_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:01:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] dig this-- On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, jenny grover wrote: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/26272.html > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/26296.html > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/26339.html Sharples is too busy studying, but...who are our other lawyers and such? Not that i'm any sort of expert...but isn't there some principle to the effect that if you don't use it, you lose it? That is, people have been using JPEGs for years and years and years, and these folks haven't made a claim of copyright until now: by remaining silent all those years and letting their supposed copyright be trammeled, it creates a reasonable expectation on the part of all other users that such usage will continue to be allowed. (I'm even more vaguely remembering that this principle might have applied more to property law...) Sounds pretty stupid and impossible...since there are many other image formats, and although JPEGs seem most common due to their compression and realtively small bandwidth use, someone else will come along w/some other format anyway? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Californians invented the concept of the life-style. ::This alone warrants their doom. __Don DeLillo, WHITE NOISE__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 00:02:37 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Half-year lists? I haven't heard a lot this year, but: Has anyone other than Andrea heard the Caitlin Cary record? I'm surprised at how much I love it. It's mostly country-flavored melancholy ballads, with lots of musical color and unexpected melodic turns. I'd think it'd be right up Larry Tucker's alley; maybe Michael Zwirn's too. I'm one of those people, apparently rare, who *do* have to have every Tommy Keene record. But so far I think THE MERRY-GO-ROUND BROKE DOWN may be his best since THE REAL UNDERGROUND. It certainly gets off to a rousing start, with each of the first four songs more striking than the last. Don't know about that 16.5-minute opus lurking in the middle, though. Going back 35 years...I'm really enjoying the Francoise Hardy collection THE VOGUE YEARS. She's a lot more imaginative pop songwriter than I'd realized. The liner notes say that her best work was actually after she left Vogue Records - does anybody (in Montreal, maybe, or in Albuguerque, perhaps) have an opinion on that, or recommendations on good albums of hers to get? - - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:08:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: my mom... On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Stewart Mason wrote: > At 12:41 PM 7/23/2002 -0700, Matthew Weber wrote: > >Uhm, SOUTHERN California accent, I hasten to add. No disrespect to the > >Angelenos on the list, but SoCal is its own thing. North of the Bay, > >California is largely rural and most of those folks sound pretty much like > >rural Midwesterners. > > Which is its own distinctive accent as well: very flat and broad, with some > nasal tones. "Like a bandsaw cutting galvanized tin" is I believe how Kurt > Vonnegut described it. He was describing an Indiana accent - I think southern Indiana (the Mason-Dixon line runs right smack through Indpls., along I-74 at that point, I believe) - which strikes these Wisconsin ears as more southern than his own speech patterns. And of course, region counts for a lot: ther's a stereotypical Milwaukee accent, which really exists only among older German- or Polish-Americans, that sounds a lot like the _Fargo_ thing. Wisconsin in general favors the nasal; because I dislike the sound of it, I try to minimize that, but I'm not sure I succeed. When I hear a "California" voice in my head, it invariably sounds like Frank Zappa (aside from being born in Baltimore and raised in Lancaster, lived in LA most of his life). But *his* voice sounds pretty much unaccented to me - so I think there's something to the TV theory. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::You think your country needs you, but you know it never will:: __Elvis Costello__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:11:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: my mom... On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > county. After my family moved from California to Singapore in 1981, I > remember people looking at me like I was from another planet for using > CA teenage words like "gnarly" and "bogus". One year later "gnarly" and > "bogus" fell into common usage everywhere, thanks to FAST TIMES and Jeff > Spicoli. I think "bodacious" came a little later. Unfortunately not particularly followed by a nationwide trend for "b-follows-acious." - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:14:13 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: my mom... At 11:08 PM -0500 7/23/02, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > >When I hear a "California" voice in my head, it invariably sounds like >Frank Zappa (aside from being born in Baltimore and raised in Lancaster, >lived in LA most of his life). But *his* voice sounds pretty much >unaccented to me - so I think there's something to the TV theory. Not Lancaster, PA, though--Lancaster, California (not far from Cucamonga), which is close enough to LA to make no never-mind. Matt A woman seldom asks advice before she has bought her wedding clothes. Joseph Addison (1672-1719), The Spectator, 475 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 00:25:45 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Francoise Hardy At 12:02 AM 7/24/2002 -0400, Dan Sallitt wrote: >Going back 35 years...I'm really enjoying the Francoise Hardy collection >THE VOGUE YEARS. She's a lot more imaginative pop songwriter than I'd >realized. The liner notes say that her best work was actually after she >left Vogue Records - does anybody (in Montreal, maybe, or in >Albuguerque, perhaps) have an opinion on that, or recommendations on >good albums of hers to get? Doo-doo-DOOT. We're sorry, but the party you have dialed no longer lives in Albuquerque, and no one else here gives much of a damn about French pop music of the '60s, except to the extent that we would like to do it with both Brigitte Bardot and France Gall. Please hang up and look out your window for the goofy-looking tall fellow waving at you across the Charles from the second-floor back bedroom of a row house in Allston. Now then. The French-Canadian in our midst (and thanks for the Buster Keaton book, dude, Charity loved it) will undoubtedly agree with me when I say to the writer of those liner notes: bollocks. Francoise Hardy's music didn't take the nosedive that some of her contemporaries did in the '70s, and she did manage some quite good tunes throughout the '70s and '80s, but I think it's irrefutable that her Vogue material was the pinnacle of her career. Certainly it's the stuff I listen to the most, and it's the stuff that gets anthologized every six months. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:34:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] we're looking for a few good mixers On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, jer fairall wrote: > I joined a Yahoo group dedicated to mix tape (or CD) trading about a > year ago. They've been inactive for most of that time but we're trying > to start it up again by getting more people to join. It works pretty > much the same as the Loud Swap, only without the reviews. You mean, it works exactly the same as the Loud Swap. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::This is America. People do whatever the fuck they feel like doing.... ::As a result, this country has one of the worst economies in the world. __Neal Stephenson, SNOW CRASH__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:36:53 -0500 From: Bill Silvers Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Half-year lists? Dan Salitt wrote: >Has anyone other than Andrea heard the Caitlin Cary record? I'm >surprised at how much I love it. It's mostly country-flavored >melancholy ballads, with lots of musical color and unexpected melodic >turns. I've heard it, and I agree with your enthusiasm for it. WHILE YOU WEREN'T LOOKING is a giant leap forward from her WALTZIE EP. It mostly achieves what her work with boy-wonder Ryan Adams (heh) in Whiskeytown promised, and it will be on the top ten lists of lots of alt-country folks. b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:45:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Half-year lists? On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Dan Sallitt wrote: > Has anyone other than Andrea heard the Caitlin Cary record? I'm > surprised at how much I love it. It's mostly country-flavored > melancholy ballads, with lots of musical color and unexpected melodic > turns. I'd think it'd be right up Larry Tucker's alley; maybe Michael > Zwirn's too. Didn't do much for me, at least not on first listen. I'll have to give it another try though. - -j ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:54:34 -0700 From: Michael Zwirn Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: my mom... On 7/23/02 9:08 PM, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >> Which is its own distinctive accent as well: very flat and broad, with some >> nasal tones. "Like a bandsaw cutting galvanized tin" is I believe how Kurt >> Vonnegut described it. > > He was describing an Indiana accent - I think southern Indiana (the > Mason-Dixon line runs right smack through Indpls., along I-74 at that > point, I believe) - which strikes these Wisconsin ears as more southern > than his own speech patterns. As possibly the only native Hoosier here, I'll pass along Vonnegut's one liner from a recent compilation of radio commentaries. - -- "During my most recent controlled near-death experience, I got to interview William Shakespeare. We did not hit it off. He said the dialect I spoke was the ugliest English he had ever heard, "fit to split the ears of groundlings." He asked if it had a name, and I said, "Indianapolis" Kurt Vonnegut ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:56:25 -0700 From: Michael Zwirn Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Half-year lists? On 7/23/02 9:02 PM, Dan Sallitt wrote: > I haven't heard a lot this year, but: > > Has anyone other than Andrea heard the Caitlin Cary record? I'm > surprised at how much I love it. It's mostly country-flavored > melancholy ballads, with lots of musical color and unexpected melodic > turns. I'd think it'd be right up Larry Tucker's alley; maybe Michael > Zwirn's too. I do want to hear it, but haven't yet. I liked Whiskeytown OK, never anything special, but the reviews have been very strong. last played: Moby, PLAY in a friend's car. - -- "Don't give me songs, give me something to sing about" Buffy the Vampire Slayer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:08:11 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Hank Dogs I just caught a review of their album "Half Smile" in a local free weekly. List critique? - -Mark np Cinerama "Torino" ***Also, please send me Scott music requests off list, so I'll be sure and play them on the radio. It's not 'til the end of next month, but I don't want to forget about this. I'm planning on dedicating the whole show (one song per set of four) to Scott tunes, so 125 can move some units to the newly converted (hopefully). The show will be from midnight to six am, so that will be plenty of time to get his music some airplay :O) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:48:01 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] modest proposal (ns) Dana Paoli wrote: > > I've been thinking for a while that it might be nice if we included at > least a tiny bit of explanation when posting links, so that people might > be able to decide if it's worth clicking or not. I felt like I probably should, but I didn't really know how to describe this topic in a few words. The subject line from the person who sent me this might have struck some people as inappropriate. So, lame excuse, but there ya have it. I must say, though, Dana, that I was disappointed to find your post wasn't about eating babies. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:45:17 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Half-year lists? > > Has anyone other than Andrea heard the Caitlin Cary record? I'm > > surprised at how much I love it. It's mostly country-flavored > > melancholy ballads, with lots of musical color and unexpected melodic > > turns. I'd think it'd be right up Larry Tucker's alley; maybe Michael > > Zwirn's too. > > I do want to hear it, but haven't yet. I liked Whiskeytown OK, never > anything special, but the reviews have been very strong. I've only heard one Whiskeytown record (STRANGERS' ALMANAC), and I was merely OK on it as well. Cary's record is quite different. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:28:34 -0700 From: dc Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jem the homewrecker? (ns) dana sez: > Call me old fashioned, but I think it's a little lame to hire a hot blond bass player to replace the previous, bald, male bass player, and then, surprise surprise, wind up dating her several years down the road. And I'm pretty sure that Dean had just had a kid about two years ago. I could be remembering wrong, in which case I'm not quite as irked. > > Still, it's all kind of predictable and sad. If it's true. this article was referenced on the Luna list (to which "Jem" subscribes) a few weeks ago, but it failed to elicit much comment. (conversation amongst that crowd is pretty much limited to "Wow, i saw them at Maxwell's, too!") to the extent it's corroborative, i've since seen the alleged union mentioned in a second article. and for what it's worth, i had much the same response as dana, "irked" being as precise as anything else. couldn't say why; i don't know any of the principals, and i have no interest in what they do after the show. what it really took was another listen to the new album -- then it dawned on me how monumentally inconsequential "Romantica" is, and the extent to which personnel/personal changes may have been contributing factors. i've long thought that Justin Harwood was Luna's "secret ingredient" -- while Sean Eden's single-coil riffage is a good accent to Wareham's warmer tones, i suspected it was the multi-instrumentalist Harwood contributing more to the arrangements and the essential elements of the songwriting. making allowance that Harwood left the band of his own accord, the post-him output sounds like the cumulative result of a series of poor choices. the Romantica arrangements and mixes lack the usual...i don't know, veil that made everyone faun over Luna as a "languid, late-night" band. even the lyrical Wareham-isms like "i'm in a jam/you're in a pickel/we're in a stew" seem cloying. plus the whole album is poorly sequenced, and the last third would make better B-sides to singles nobody owns. sorry about the rant. i guess i'm irked because my abs-fav extant band suddenly sounds ordinary. finding out they can now save 25 percent at Days Inn while touring does nothing to improve my mood. all of this will probably change, of course, if the next album's better. back to sleep now. dc vicinity of seattle np: Luna, "Requiem for a Mouse" ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #253 *******************************