From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #246 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, July 17 2002 Volume 02 : Number 246 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] I like where this is going.... ["O Geier" ] [loud-fans] audiophilia (in a few easy payments) [Boyof100lists@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] audiophilia (in a few easy payments) ["Roger Winston" ] Re:Re: [loud-fans] audiophilia (in a few easy payments) [dana-boy@juno.co] [loud-fans] oops [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] audiophilia (in a few easy payments) [Dan Stillwell ] Re: [loud-fans] oops [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] oops [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] MCA squeezins? [John F Butland ] Re: [loud-fans] Good God [John F Butland ] RE: [loud-fans] Good God ["glenn mcdonald" ] [loud-fans] Hey Loud Fans ["Vallor" ] [loud-fans] Why I Am Not Harper's Headline Writer [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeff] [loud-fans] interesting article with nice links [jenny grover Subject: [loud-fans] I like where this is going.... http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/fun/rexmorgan.asp?date=20020715 Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:38:35 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] audio environments On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, steve wrote: > I think the first two things you'd want in a hifi room are side walls > that run at a slight angle from front to back and a live end/dead end > treatment to take care of the unwanted sound waves. in here i would definitely insert: tuned bass traps (hollow chambers in the walls designed to trap certain resonant frequencies -- bass doesn't bounce the way mids and trebles do, as apartment dwellers will know) then onto After that it would > be a completely separate electrical service for the equipment. Then > it's on to building the room on its own extra thick foundation, etc. having it on its own individual circuit in the bldg (on a separate circuit breaker) should come before the major room modifications, though, i would think. i'd like to reiterate that i think this is ridiculous for the non-millionaires in the audience; i've been learning about it mostly because i've been trying to record in peoples' basements, living rooms, etc. not all of the sound that reaches a microphone is fromt he instrument/voice; some of it has bounced off whatever's handy. i read about the expensive solutions to try to come up with ways to fake 'em on the cheap. (i.e. deadening walls by tacking some carpet up on 'em.) we may do the next FB ep "at home" -- it's a basement i think i actually like. mostly wood panelling w/ one cinder block wall pointed right at the snare, and a sorta canyon-shaped room. > I saw a passing reference in one of the hifi mags about the percentage > of total sales for classical music - it was something like 3 or 4 > percent. i distinctly remember seeing an article in the late 80s that discussed what a boon for the "classical" music industry CDs were -- back then the percentages for "classical" (i really hate the inaccuracy of that term, but the other ones -- "serious music!?" -- **ugh** are even worse) were much higher on CD than for cassette or vinyl. i don't know what the percentages were, though, but it's been pretty marginal for a long time, i think. of course, neither 8% nor 4% are very much, but the difference to the viability of the industry may be enormous. hmm. 3-4% is mebbe not a bad stab at how much of my music is stuff-that-would-be-filed-in-the-classical-room. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:37:10 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] audiophilia (in a few easy payments) I was curious about the Bose Wave CD/Radio that is so heavily advertised at the moment. Does anyone on the list have one? Does it really sound better than the average bear? Are you pleased with it? What secret technology stolen from Area 51 makes it work? I was thinking it's time to step up from the Close n' Play. - -Mark Staples np The B's "Song for a Future Generation" instrumental 12" (I've had this since Oxy 10 was in my budget) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:51:40 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] audiophilia (in a few easy payments) Boyof100lists@aol.com on 7/16/2002 9:37:10 AM wrote: > I was curious about the Bose Wave CD/Radio that is so heavily advertised at > the moment. Does anyone on the list have one? Does it really sound better > than the average bear? Are you pleased with it? What secret technology > stolen from Area 51 makes it work? I was thinking it's time to step up from > the Close n' Play. As we say in the home theater and audiophile circles: "No highs, no lows, must be Bose". Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:04:43 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] audiophilia (in a few easy payments) On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Roger Winston wrote: > Boyof100lists@aol.com on 7/16/2002 9:37:10 AM wrote: > > > I was curious about the Bose Wave CD/Radio that is so heavily advertised at > > the moment. Does anyone on the list have one? Does it really sound better > > than the average bear? Are you pleased with it? What secret technology > > stolen from Area 51 makes it work? I was thinking it's time to step up from > > the Close n' Play. > > As we say in the home theater and audiophile circles: "No highs, no lows, must be Bose". I'm *real* curious about their noise-cancelling headphones though. i don't want to listen to music when i'm commuting; i just don't want to listen to other folks' headphone leakage. the sony's are reputedly (reputed by folks i know) good at cancelling fairly constant noise, but bad at transients, like the pakwhap snare of the kid sitting next to me. the bose's *claim* to have circuitry that responds much faster... but their rep is pretty terrible. what to do, what to do. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:29:10 GMT From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re:Re: [loud-fans] audiophilia (in a few easy payments) I'm *real* curious about their noise-cancelling headphones though. i don't want to listen to music when i'm commuting; i just don't want to listen to other folks' headphone leakage. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.beststuff.com/article.php3?story_id=1358 This review is slightly too enthusiastic, but only slightly. They're the best $300 I've ever gotten someone else to spend for me. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:44:49 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] oops http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000059ZT3/qid=1026844993/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/102-4220660-9468169 heh. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:53:31 +0000 From: Dan Stillwell Subject: Re: [loud-fans] audiophilia (in a few easy payments) Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > > I was curious about the Bose Wave CD/Radio that is so heavily advertised at > the moment. Does anyone on the list have one? Does it really sound better > than the average bear? Check out the Tivoli Model Two and its subwoofer at http://www.tivoliaudio.com/ It was created by Henry Kloss, one of the greats in audio history. Three small boxes with very clean sound and amazing bass reproduction. Add a cheap Walkman and you're in business - better sound and for less money than the Bose. I got one for Christmas and I love it to death. It won't rock your apartment, but it does a great job in a small to medium-sized room. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:09:53 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] on-topic, all the time Okay, after listening to FRTR way too much, shouting myself hoarse singing "I am a - CHIEN! - Andalooooooz-un!" (the Pixies mean more to me than MBV ever can), and in general having far too much fun with it to nitpick at all, I have a long-delayed observation: I never noticed before how "Aerodeliria" was the first cousin of "The Real Sheila." I mean, I've listened to "Aerodeliria" a zillion times on PLANTS and SLOUCHING, but it wasn't until FRTR that I started wanting to sing "criteria running high" after "Aerodeliria jet ride." nobody knows the real Jimmy like I do, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:07:24 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] audiophilia (in a few easy payments) |-----Original Message----- |From: Dan Stillwell [mailto:dstw801@stargate.net] |Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 10:54 AM |To: Boyof100lists@aol.com |Cc: loud-fans@smoe.org |Subject: Re: [loud-fans] audiophilia (in a few easy payments) | | |Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: |> |> I was curious about the Bose Wave CD/Radio that is so heavily |> advertised at the moment. Does anyone on the list have one? | Does it |> really sound better than the average bear? | |Check out the Tivoli Model Two and its subwoofer at |http://www.tivoliaudio.com/ | |It was created by Henry Kloss, |one of the greats in audio history. Three small boxes with |very clean sound and amazing bass reproduction. Add a cheap |Walkman and you're in business - better sound and for less |money than the Bose. I got one for Christmas and I love it to death. I've heard one of these too and thought they were quite amazing for their size. Getting one for my Winnebago. Ha ha ha. - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:34:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] oops On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, dmw wrote: > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000059ZT3/qid=1026844993/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/102-4220660-9468169 Waitaminnit - the guy on the left? Isn't that Miles? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Drive ten thousand miles across America and you will know more about ::the country than all the institutes of sociology and political science ::put together. __Jean Baudrillard__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:58:52 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] oops At 03:34 PM 7/16/2002 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, dmw wrote: > >> >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000059ZT3/qid=1026844993/sr=1-5/ref= >sr_1_5/102-4220660-9468169 > >Waitaminnit - the guy on the left? Isn't that Miles? I think it's a little too Bun E. Carlos c. 1985 to be me. I think this guy has been smoking my per capita share of cigarettes. Some drunk woman at an Exit/In show last year (I forget who was performing) asked me if I was in the White Animals, a local group from the '80s who have reformed and even put out a new album, which was the first time in my life that anyone ever asked if I was in a band. I was taken aback once by a picture of Jon Lovitz in USA TODAY -- if someone had snipped off the caption, I would have thought it really was a picture of me. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:15:51 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] oops On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > I think it's a little too Bun E. Carlos c. 1985 to be me. I think this guy > has been smoking my per capita share of cigarettes. Some drunk woman at an > Exit/In show last year (I forget who was performing) asked me if I was in > the White Animals, a local group from the '80s who have reformed and even > put out a new album, which was the first time in my life that anyone ever > asked if I was in a band. is that record any good, does anyone know? i saw 'em back in the 80s, and despite not caring much for the name, i thought they were pretty good. came about *this* close to picking up the new record when i stumbled on it somewhere. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:34:31 -0300 From: John F Butland Subject: Re: [loud-fans] MCA squeezins? At 10:56 PM 02-07-15 -0500, Miles Goosens wrote: > >it anytime soon. Springsteen seems particulalry loathe to look back, Tracks > >notwithstanding, and Dylan is just plain cranky most of the time. > >They got a start with Dylan -- GREATEST HITS I and (my favorite) II, and, >um, I think a couple of the early '70s albums. I think they did Street Legal, too, but none had any bonus tracks that I recall. Columbia had Springsteen >ones (remastered but no bonus tracks) all but pressed to coincide with >Bruce's 1999 tour, but they got nixed at the last minute. I thought a batch of these were released in Japan with mini LP sleeves. >Usually I >suspect Landau. And hey Jon L., thanks too for the general admission floor >on the new tour. Perhaps they should enforce a 6' minimum height >requirement for floor tickets, 'cos you're going to need to be at least >that tall to see anything on stage, even Clarence's hairdo. > Yeah, I forgot about ol' JL. I think you're right. If you want to see some hair pulling, over General Admission venture over to the Bruce usenet group or mailing list. U2 seems to be the most common rationalization. Bruce and Jon are a couple of control freaks who seem to reinforce each other's worst tendencies. It's almost like they go out of their way to piss off the loyal fan core because they know they'll stay loyal regardless. For a man that's such a populist icon, Bruce could certainly take some lessons from U2, Pearl Jam, The Dead, etc., as far as rewarding the faithful. best, jfb John F Butland O- butland@nbnet.nb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:36:43 -0300 From: John F Butland Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good God At 11:41 PM 02-07-15 -0400, glenn mcdonald wrote: >I bought the new Dolly Parton album last week, out of curiosity, and was >just listening to it for the first time. I hadn't examined the track >listing, so I was totally unprepared for the final track, which is a >six-and-a-half-minute country-gospel cover of "Stairway to Heaven". Yow. >It's amazing. > Of Dolly's three recent CDs on Sugar Hill, I'd rate the newest as the weakest. The first one was amazingly good and the second, was no slouch either. best, jfb John F Butland O- butland@nbnet.nb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:51:16 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Good God > Of Dolly's three recent CDs on Sugar Hill, I'd rate the newest as > the weakest. Bought the other two on the way home tonight. Along, while we're talking covers, with a single on which Per Gessle, the male half of Roxette, performs the Ramones' "I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend" and "Sheena Is a Punk Rocker". Yeep. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:51:06 -0400 From: "Vallor" Subject: [loud-fans] Hey Loud Fans I have two things to ask: 1stly, my computer stores and opens all jpg files as Netscape files. You'll see the Netscape logo and then the name of the file as .jpg It hasn't always done this and we never asked it to but it's decided without our consent to do this. Can someone please tell me how to get Jpgs to open as jpg's and not thru Netscape? We do not use Netscape as our web browser. 2ndly, does anyone on the list have the 3 or 4 disc Beach Boys Smile sessions bootleg CD set? I would love to get a CD-R of this set and would gladly make some CDR's for you. Off line answers would be wonderful- Dan Vallor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:50:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] Why I Am Not Harper's Headline Writer Okay, in the latest issue of _Harper's_, there's an amusing little article containing the wedding vows of Cary Nelson, an academic, and Allison Hunter, an artist, which I took to be rather amusing but venture way out on the limb of pretentiousness, possibly. That's not the point. The point is this: several times in the piece, the phrase "Cary and Allison" was used - and I really, really wanted to retitle the thing WE LOVE YOU CARY AND ALLISON. Instead, it was TILL DERRIDA DO WE PART. *sigh* The Loudfans invasion of all media takes another hit. (random punctuation moment: shouldn't that be "Harper's' Headline Writer"? Eeeek!) Jeff Ceci n'est pas une .sig ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 00:05:39 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: [loud-fans] interesting article with nice links http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/07/15/146221 (Can newspapers help make record companies obsolete?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 01:02:19 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] oops In a message dated 7/16/02 4:52:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, outdoorminer@mindspring.com writes: > Some drunk woman at an > Exit/In show last year (I forget who was performing) asked me if I was in > the White Animals, a local group from the '80s who have reformed and even > put out a new album The White Animals somehow became the mascot band of the J.L. Mann High School "Revelers" here in my hometown in the mid eighties. The Revelers were a group of pre-collegiate frat boys at a very affluent high school whose goal in life was to get into an ivy league school and to see how frayed they could get their Duck Head khakis. Oh and to get as drunk as possible without wrecking daddy's Wagoneer. My friend Ronnie, who turned me on to Game Theory in '86, put up a sign at the record store when one of their records came out which read: "Hey Revelers! New White Animals $6.99!" He meant it snidely, and they took it as a compliment. I remember him shaking his head in weariness. - -Mark Staples ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 00:14:40 -0500 From: Bill Silvers Subject: Revel in obscurity (was Re: [loud-fans] oops) >My friend Ronnie, who turned me on to Game Theory >in '86, put up a sign at the record store when one of their records came out >which read: "Hey Revelers! New White Animals $6.99!" He meant it snidely, >and they took it as a compliment. I remember him shaking his head in >weariness. > >-Mark Staples And since you mentioned Cleveland's The Revelers (OK not even, but anyway), let me take this opportunity to ask if anybody has any word on them since their last sighting on Spin Art in 1999 with DAY IN, DAY OUT. I'm awfully fond of that record (and the preceding HIGH TIMES, SUNDAY SPIRITS), but haven't been able to find a thing on them since. revel revel, b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 01:18:23 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] telescopes and mayflies again First of all, let me say that the new Mayflies USA is good, good, good. LFA (Loud-fan approved). However, please ignore my post on the Telescopes. I liked their last record, and I followed and enjoyed the shoegazer scene back in th' day, but the two best tracks on the disc are on the website, and the rest of the record I found to be masturbatory electronic noodling. However, if you like a lot of the roster on the Kranky label this might be your cup of tea. Two good tracks on a website and a good review in Magnet, as well as liking their last record ten or eleven years ago sucked me in. I couldn't listen to it at the record store, as it wasn't in the system, so I went ahead and forked over the 15 bucks, plus tax. I wish I could have my money back. Better spent on Chinese takeout and a rental of the Solondz movie "Storyteling," which just came out on video (Is it good? It didn't come here of course...I like the soundtrack). - -Mark Staples np: The Jam "(compact) Snap!" ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #246 *******************************