From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #245 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, July 16 2002 Volume 02 : Number 245 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] frogs reigning, tapes rolling [Phil Fleming ] Re:[loud-fans] juicier Cranberries? [dana-boy@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] juicier Cranberries? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] juicier Cranberries? [dmw ] RE: [loud-fans] telescopes and mayflies ["Larry Tucker" ] [loud-fans] audio environments [Steve Holtebeck ] Re: [loud-fans] juicier Cranberries? [John F Butland ] [loud-fans] MCA squeezins? [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] audio environments [steve ] Re: [loud-fans] Good God [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] MCA squeezins? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] news, horn-tooting [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] frogs reigning, tapes rolling This is a fantastic record. My only complaint is that it's too damn short!!! 32 minutes ain't long enough!!! GRRRR Phil F. who should have been in bed 4 hours ago. - --- Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Which reminds me to remind everyone who hasn't yet > to buy Bradley's band's > CD, _Garden Abstract_ by Bella da Gama. > > On Miss Sweden's fave label, 125 Records > (www.125records.com). Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:01:23 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] juicier Cranberries? Despite disappointing sales of their most recent lp, the Cranberries' first few albums are coming out soon remastered, with extra tracks. I can understand bringing out the Specials' first record remastered, but have we really come that far in mastering technology since "Everybody Else is Doing It..."? I used to go all ballistic for remasters, but about half the time, I can't really tell that much of a difference, except for old titles, like when the Byrds' first record came out 20bit remastered, so now I'm more conservative about them. Your thoughts about remasters? Also, is there a noticable difference in audio quality from the last Velvet Underground and Nico remaster from about 5 years ago, or is this reissue all about the packaging and extra tracks? (I joked with a friend that the big difference between this new reissue and the last one was that this one comes with a sample of Nico's DNA) - -Mark Staples np: Walker Kong "There Goes the Sun" remastered! (just kidding) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:15:39 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] juicier Cranberries? On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > conservative about them. Your thoughts about remasters? i'm psyched to hear stuff remastered when there was something deficient about the original mastering -- a lot of stuff that was released on CD in the first few years of the medium didn't sound that great, arguably because engineers didn't really understand what CDs would sound like on consumer systems in consumer environments. for more recent stuff, i'm skeptical. i don't think most folks have either the audio equipment, or, equally importantly, the audio *environment* to get the full benefit. and honestly, hearing things the cranberries didn't think were good enough to put on their albums... well, i'm not exactly queuing up for that one. i still more-or-less dig the violent femmes reish/remaster, but that's mostly 'cause i thought the live stuff was at least as entertaining as the album proper. there are *more* velvets re-masters? after "peel slowly..." i figgered i was done for life. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:36:42 GMT From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re:[loud-fans] juicier Cranberries? Also, is there a noticable difference in audio quality from the last Velvet Underground and Nico remaster from about 5 years ago, or is this reissue all about the packaging and extra tracks? >>>>>>>>>>>> The main reason to get this is that you also get the album in mono. Now granted, I'm a little more into mono mixes than the average loud-fan, but in this case I'd say it's definitely worth it. Mono mixes tend to be more powerful, and for this album that's a big plus. Also, the mono mix puts John Cale's screechey viola front and center. Basically, the noisy tracks (Heroin, Black Angels, European Son, etc.) are vastly improved. The prettier songs don't benefit as much. If you mostly like the first album for Sunday Morning, I'll Be Your Mirror, etc. then you can probably live without this. IMHO. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:48:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] juicier Cranberries? On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, dmw wrote: > i'm psyched to hear stuff remastered when there was something deficient > about the original mastering -- a lot of stuff that was released on CD in > the first few years of the medium didn't sound that great, arguably > because engineers didn't really understand what CDs would sound like on > consumer systems in consumer environments. Since I have ears of concrete when it comes to high-end sonic distinctions, I buy remasters only if (a) there are a number of bonus tracks etc. to make it worth buying simply for that reason (depending upon the artist, that might be only one track), or (b) the original CD sounds really crappy. Or if I don't have the CD, or if the CD never existed. > for more recent stuff, i'm skeptical. i don't think most folks have either > the audio equipment, or, equally importantly, the audio *environment* to > get the full benefit. Care to elaborate on what sort of audio env. you mean? I'm guessing driving down a crowded city street in summer in a 1968 VW Bug with the windows open *isn't* it. Do we need to wear labcoats? and honestly, hearing things the cranberries didn't > think were good enough to put on their albums... well, i'm not exactly > queuing up for that one. Ah yes...Dolores "if I *can* sing thirty notes here, why shouldn't I?" Riordan... > i still more-or-less dig the violent femmes reish/remaster, but that's > mostly 'cause i thought the live stuff was at least as entertaining as the > album proper. What surprises me is that it took them this long to release that stuff. You'd've thought that, back when the Femmes were pretty big, releasing a live album would have been a good idea, esp. given their deservedly good live rep. > there are *more* velvets re-masters? after "peel slowly..." i figgered i > was done for life. And here we get to the other reason for "remastering" CDs: it's a more contemporary version of catalog-milking made infamous by, way, MCA's treatment of The Who's catalog, or the way EMI's been reissuing Beatles songs like mad... I think they figured out that such collections weren't drawing in enough folk who already had the proper albums, so now you remaster the albums, and throw in a few seconds of Townshend muffing the first chord that was cut off the original recording, and call it a "rare, previously unreleased version!" Speaking of _Peel Slowly..._, I thought I'd read somewhere that they actually used the wrong tapes for that bonus CD - someone (Reed?) had wanted to use a different one, but somehow the wrong tape got used. I think I've listened to that disc maybe twice... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Watson! Something's afoot...and it's on the end of my leg:: __Hemlock Stones__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:49:49 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] juicier Cranberries? Boyof100lists@aol.com on 7/15/2002 9:01:23 AM wrote: > Despite disappointing sales of their most recent lp, the Cranberries' first > few albums are coming out soon remastered, with extra tracks. I can > understand bringing out the Specials' first record remastered, but have we > really come that far in mastering technology since "Everybody Else is Doing > It..."? I used to go all ballistic for remasters, but about half the time, I > can't really tell that much of a difference, except for old titles, like when > the Byrds' first record came out 20bit remastered, so now I'm more > conservative about them. Your thoughts about remasters? As a friend of mine would say were I to ask him, poking sharp sticks in your eyes would be less painful than listening to the Cranberries, even remastered Cranberries. I tend to agree. Maybe if the remasters came with morphine or something... Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:00:54 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] juicier Cranberries? On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > for more recent stuff, i'm skeptical. i don't think most folks have either > > the audio equipment, or, equally importantly, the audio *environment* to > > get the full benefit. > > Care to elaborate on what sort of audio env. you mean? I'm guessing > driving down a crowded city street in summer in a 1968 VW Bug with the > windows open *isn't* it. well. most rooms in homes are sorta rectangular, s you tend to get standing waves that are going to emphasize two or three frequencies (square, or nearly square, rooms are worse because they'll emphasize close frequencies). and most people don't design their walls/wall coverings with a view toward their sound reflection/absorption properties, so typically you get a weird mix of sound waves broken up in a not-very-nice way with some harsh short reverb. unless, as i said, you've got a recording that addresses a crap (or non-existent) mastering job, i think you're getting into the territory where those things start to have a real impact in your ability to distinguish the quality of the re-master. but then again, since i don't have a pristinely designed audio environment, i'm not shelling out for 20bit re-masters, so i could be full of it, as usual. i just parrot what my smarter friends tell me. > Do we need to wear labcoats? it helps, yes. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:12:13 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] telescopes and mayflies |-Mark Staples, now a proud Google user | |np: Glory Fountain "The Beauty of 23" This is a good one! What do you think Mark? For those unknowing Glory Fountain are the collaborative efforts of John Chumbris (ex-Slickee Boys) and Lynn Blakey (ex-Let's Active touring band). Lynn has to have one of the sweetest voices around. Destined for my year end top 10 for sure. - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:32:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] juicier Cranberries? On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, dmw wrote: > well. most rooms in homes are sorta rectangular, s you tend to get > standing waves that are going to emphasize two or three frequencies > (square, or nearly square, rooms are worse because they'll emphasize close > frequencies). and most people don't design their walls/wall coverings > with a view toward their sound reflection/absorption properties, so > typically you get a weird mix of sound waves broken up in a not-very-nice > way with some harsh short reverb. So what about headphones? When I win the lottery, I'll build a *round* listening room... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::glibby glop gloopy nibby nobby noopy la la la la lo:: np: Sonny Rollins _East Broadway Rundown_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:59:43 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] telescopes and mayflies, and fountains of glory In a message dated 7/15/02 1:14:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ltucker@townofchapelhill.org writes: > np: Glory Fountain "The Beauty of 23" > > > This is a good one! What do you think Mark? > > It's like Belinda Carlisle nudging you awake for breakfast on a beautiful spring morning in a historic beach house on Edisto Island, SC for fresh brewed coffee and Captain Crunch with Crunchberries. It's pretty dang good. I love Lynn's vocals, which remind me a bit of one of Mitch's former flames, Esta Hill of Lava Love, though Lynn's are less little girlish, more sensual, and this definitely has the Easter touch (a co-producer). Just this side of being country. Pretty. Majestic. Spellbinding. Though the Rosicrucian imagery in the cover art I could do without. (I'm just trying to laugh at myself here) It was in the listening booth at my local record pusher's, and on sale at that, and, not surprisingly, there was only one copy still out for sale in the booth, so I grabbed it. The most popular of all the titles there. This could be a big record, just through word of mouth. Loud-fans should definitely enjoy this, without a doubt. Oh, I forgot the best part of the Nico joke from my last post. After I made the DNA comment, I did a spot on impression of Nico, and said, "Vut uh clone." Is that booing I hear? - -Mark Staples ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:04:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] telescopes and mayflies, and fountains of glory On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > It's like Belinda Carlisle nudging you awake for breakfast on a beautiful > spring morning in a historic beach house on Edisto Island, SC for fresh > brewed coffee and Captain Crunch with Crunchberries. Don't think I'd be able to focus on anything beyond the Belinda Carlisle part myself... (And no, we are not going to talk about breakfast cereals again...) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: __Robert Desnos__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:36:39 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] telescopes and mayflies, and fountains of glory |-----Original Message----- |From: Boyof100lists@aol.com [mailto:Boyof100lists@aol.com] |Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 2:00 PM |To: Larry Tucker; loud-fans@smoe.org |Subject: Re: [loud-fans] telescopes and mayflies, and |fountains of glory | | |In a message dated 7/15/02 1:14:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, |ltucker@townofchapelhill.org writes: | | | |np: Glory Fountain "The Beauty of 23" | | |This is a good one! What do you think Mark? | |================================ | | |It's like Belinda Carlisle nudging you awake for breakfast on |a beautiful spring morning in a historic beach house on Edisto |Island, SC for fresh brewed coffee and Captain Crunch with |Crunchberries. | |It's pretty dang good. I love Lynn's vocals, which remind me |a bit of one of Mitch's former flames, Esta Hill of Lava Love, |though Lynn's are less little girlish, more sensual, and this |definitely has the Easter touch (a co-producer). Just this |side of being country. Pretty. Majestic. Spellbinding. |Though the Rosicrucian imagery in the cover art I could do |without. (I'm just trying to laugh at myself here) It was in |the listening booth at my local record pusher's, and on sale |at that, and, not surprisingly, there was only one copy still |out for sale in the booth, so I grabbed it. The most popular |of all the titles there. | |This could be a big record, just through word of mouth. |Loud-fans should definitely enjoy this, without a doubt. I've know John for many years, but friendship aside this is a beautiful album. The opening title track nearly gives me goosebumps every time I hear it. John will be glad to hear it's selling as well as you've observed. He did the entire thing himself footing the bill for the recordings and releasing it himself. He did work a distribution deal with Red Eye this time which I think has helped get it around. Mitch told me a few months back that it was a pleasure to work with someone that knew exactly what he wanted to do with each song. John also plays a majority of the instruments on the album. - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:45:33 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] linguistic annoyances i'm the somebody, and i like the image. i found tons of his other works online, but i couldn't find that one. there's a simliar one where there are a bunch of guys painting nearly identical pictures of a mushroom cloud, and i think one of a horse race. very very cool. except i don't have an office door. i have a cubicle. it's a fairly respectable cubicle, mess aside, but it has no door. maybe i'll add one. heh. that'd rock. - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" To: "Account 7870" Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] linguistic annoyances > On 13 Jul 2002, Dan Schmidt wrote: > > > Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey writes: > > > > | Reminds me of a painting by Mark Tansey. It's a sort of parody of > > | the notion of "action painting" (Pollock et al.): one part shows a > > | racing car in mid-flipover, flames bursting out of the engine, > > | etc. Off to the side, an artist stands with an easel, on which she > > | has sketched about 3/4 of the scene with the car... > > > > Hey, that's like my favorite painting! I used to have a copy on my > > office door. A lot of Tansey's stuff goes over my head (oh, look, the > > guy on the camel is Derrida, ha ha!, or whatever), but that one I can > > get. > > > > Here's a tiny reproduction: > > > > http://www.camh.org/cam_exhandprograms/cam_archive/abstract_dana/fig.6.GIF > > What's funny here is: *I* have a copy (from the poster for a talk Tansey > gave here) on *my* office door. > > And offlist, someone asked me if I had a copy of that painting, so I did a > google image search...and of course came up w/the exact same URL. > > So this post is utterly superfluous. > > Now isn't *that* news! > > --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html > ::[clever or pithy quote]:: > __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:25:36 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: [loud-fans] audio environments Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > When I win the lottery, I'll build a *round* listening room... I saw an article in the Southwest inflight magazine about people building special audiophile listening rooms in their homes, with rounded walls with coverings designed and speakers placed for ideal convergence of sound frequencies. It sounds like a lot of bother to add a new room to your house just for music listening, but necessary to maximize the benefits of high-end audio equipment (so said the article) In other audio news, there's an article in today's SF Chronicle about the decline of classical music in the 21st century. Apparently their audience is dying off, and baby boomers haven't stopped drinking beer and listening to rock & roll as they get older, like they're supposed to. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/07/15/DD77439.DTL - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:24:29 -0300 From: John F Butland Subject: Re: [loud-fans] juicier Cranberries? At 11:48 AM 02-07-15 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >And here we get to the other reason for "remastering" CDs: it's a more >contemporary version of catalog-milking made infamous by, way, MCA's >treatment of The Who's catalog, or the way EMI's been reissuing Beatles >songs like mad... I think they figured out that such collections weren't >drawing in enough folk who already had the proper albums, so now you >remaster the albums, and throw in a few seconds of Townshend muffing the >first chord that was cut off the original recording, and call it a "rare, >previously unreleased version!" OK, MCA has been releasing a Who comp about every other week, but have they really been milking the core catalog? I thought the "real" LPs were issued early on, bare bones with mediocre sound, and then remastered and augmented with bonus tracks, most of which, as a moderate Who fan, I was glad to have. Did I miss a generation or two of reissues? (Ignoring the Deluxe Edition 2 CD Live At Leeds.) If I remembered my history correctly, I have no problem with a label doing it that way. Legacy did a fine job with The Byrds and BOC catalog items that way. And if they ever give that sort of treatment to the Springsteen and Dylan catalogs, I'll be first in line. Somehow, I doubt either will OK it anytime soon. Springsteen seems particulalry loathe to look back, Tracks notwithstanding, and Dylan is just plain cranky most of the time. But I can't complain too much about Bob; he's playing Saint John for the second time this August, and we 're far enough off the map that ticket brokers and scalpers don't exist and 2nd row seats can be had by civilians. Hang on, I'm digressing from the original thread... is that allowed on Loudfans? best, jfb John F Butland O- butland@nbnet.nb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:41:45 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: [loud-fans] Good God I bought the new Dolly Parton album last week, out of curiosity, and was just listening to it for the first time. I hadn't examined the track listing, so I was totally unprepared for the final track, which is a six-and-a-half-minute country-gospel cover of "Stairway to Heaven". Yow. It's amazing. glenn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:56:07 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] MCA squeezins? At 09:24 PM 7/15/2002 -0300, John F Butland wrote: >OK, MCA has been releasing a Who comp about every other week, but have they >really been milking the core catalog? I thought the "real" LPs were issued >early on, bare bones with mediocre sound, and then remastered and augmented >with bonus tracks, most of which, as a moderate Who fan, I was glad to >have. Did I miss a generation or two of reissues? (Ignoring the Deluxe >Edition 2 CD Live At Leeds.) John, that's how I remember it too. MCA did really, really horrible catalog stuff in the '80s: smaller cover photos; back cover art that looked like a prefab "texture" background, often in atrocious shades of pink and yellow, with the tracks listed there in a generic MCA-standard font; and a slip of slick paper for a front cover instead of a genuine booklet. The original Tom Petty discs were that way too (here's hoping those remasters make their way to SOUTHERN ACCENTS at long last). As John says, it seems like there's a new Who comp every other day, but other than the even-bigger LIVE AT LEEDS (currently in its third CD incarnation), AFAIK they've only done the remaster thing with the Who once, and properly. >it anytime soon. Springsteen seems particulalry loathe to look back, Tracks >notwithstanding, and Dylan is just plain cranky most of the time. They got a start with Dylan -- GREATEST HITS I and (my favorite) II, and, um, I think a couple of the early '70s albums. Columbia had Springsteen ones (remastered but no bonus tracks) all but pressed to coincide with Bruce's 1999 tour, but they got nixed at the last minute. Usually I suspect Landau. And hey Jon L., thanks too for the general admission floor on the new tour. Perhaps they should enforce a 6' minimum height requirement for floor tickets, 'cos you're going to need to be at least that tall to see anything on stage, even Clarence's hairdo. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:53:39 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] audio environments On Monday, July 15, 2002, at 05:25 PM, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > When I win the lottery, I'll build a *round* listening room... > I saw an article in the Southwest inflight magazine about people > building special audiophile listening rooms in their homes, with rounded > walls with coverings designed and speakers placed for ideal convergence > of sound frequencies. It sounds like a lot of bother to add a new room > to your house just for music listening, but necessary to maximize the > benefits of high-end audio equipment (so said the article) Jeff wouldn't want a round room, they reflect sound too well, or at least in an unusual manner. There are all kinds of sound treatment things you can buy to fix the standing wave problem, but they cost way more than most people spend for a stereo. I think the first two things you'd want in a hifi room are side walls that run at a slight angle from front to back and a live end/dead end treatment to take care of the unwanted sound waves. After that it would be a completely separate electrical service for the equipment. Then it's on to building the room on its own extra thick foundation, etc. > In other audio news, there's an article in today's SF Chronicle about > the decline of classical music in the 21st century. Apparently their > audience is dying off, and baby boomers haven't stopped drinking beer > and listening to rock & roll as they get older, like they're supposed > to. I saw a passing reference in one of the hifi mags about the percentage of total sales for classical music - it was something like 3 or 4 percent. - - Steve __________ "Miyazaki's latest animation feature (co-winner with 'Bloody Sunday' of the Berlin Golden Bear) more than justifies his status as Japan's most revered culture hero. What starts out as a fine example of the through-the-looking- glass kids' adventure genre becomes almost Shakespearean in its lyricism, breadth of vision and humanity." - Tony Rayns, Sight & Sound ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:06:09 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good God In a message dated 7/15/02 8:38:07 PM, glenn@furia.com writes: << I bought the new Dolly Parton album last week, out of curiosity, and was just listening to it for the first time. I hadn't examined the track listing, so I was totally unprepared for the final track, which is a six-and-a-half-minute country-gospel cover of "Stairway to Heaven". Yow. It's amazing. >> She's currently on tour, and her NYC show last week was easily the most talked-about of the summer...although the free Frank Sinatra Jr. show at Coney Island was also pretty amazing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:44:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] MCA squeezins? On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > At 09:24 PM 7/15/2002 -0300, John F Butland wrote: > >OK, MCA has been releasing a Who comp about every other week, but have they > >really been milking the core catalog? I thought the "real" LPs were issued > >early on, bare bones with mediocre sound, and then remastered and augmented > >with bonus tracks, most of which, as a moderate Who fan, I was glad to > >have. Did I miss a generation or two of reissues? (Ignoring the Deluxe > >Edition 2 CD Live At Leeds.) > > John, that's how I remember it too. MCA did really, really horrible > catalog stuff in the '80s: smaller cover photos; back cover art that looked > like a prefab "texture" background, often in atrocious shades of pink and > yellow, with the tracks listed there in a generic MCA-standard font; and a > slip of slick paper for a front cover instead of a genuine booklet. Frank Zappa used to refer to MCA as "Musicians' Cemetery of America." My ref. to the Who wasn't to remastering but to redoing the catalog in endless hits collections, etc. At least based on my copy of _The Who Sell Out_, the remasters are a good thing. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:56:22 +0000 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Good God I've been listening alot to her Mission Chapel Memories songs from 1971-75 and there are some very nice songs she wrote from this time in her career. "Jolene" is one of them as well as some other very lovely melodies. Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:08:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] news, horn-tooting First, www.wrens.com: actual 3 new songs forthcoming on a split CDEP due in October. Even better: new full-length recorded, label shopping underway. Sales of hats, gloves, and long underwear reportedly increase in the demonic realms. And: another opportunity to ignore what I have to say about a handful of recent releases, including that Loud Family bunch, in a rare update of my website. Whoo. And also, therefore, hoo. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #245 *******************************