From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #243 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Sunday, July 14 2002 Volume 02 : Number 243 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Neil Finn show [Dave Walker ] Re: [loud-fans] Neil Finn show [Michael Zwirn ] Re: [loud-fans] huh? [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Neil Finn show [steve ] Re: [loud-fans] Neil Finn show [Steve Holtebeck] [loud-fans] frogs reigning, tapes rolling [Boyof100lists@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Kraft new cheese, er, thread idea [dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Neil Finn show On Saturday, July 13, 2002, at 12:23 AM, Michael Zwirn wrote: > I saw Neil Finn last night at the Roseland in Portland, with Ed > Harcourt. Oh > my, what a show. One Nil (and its American equivalent, One All) do > little > for me, but his performances are still magical. The AMG entries for _One Nil_ and _One All_ have me a bit confused. If I am reading correctly, _One all_ contains a few tracks that are remixed (slightly? drastically?) for the American market. Does anyone who has / has heard both have recommendations? Are they different enough to justify one over the other (assuming a non-completist buyer who doesn't plan on owning both)? -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 07:23:38 -0700 From: Michael Zwirn Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Neil Finn show On 7/13/02 6:01 AM, Dave Walker wrote: > If I am reading correctly, _One all_ contains a few tracks that are remixed > (slightly? drastically?) for the American market. I don't find them all that different when listening, but to be honest, I haven't bought One All yet, and am not leaping at the chance to do so. There are a few new tracks, none of which are that good. Since I already had One Nil, I don't feel compelled yet to get the American version. Michael - -------------------------------------- Michael J. Zwirn, Environmental Policy Analyst http://zwirn.com michael@zwirn.com Home: 503/232-8919 Cell: 503/887-9800 Fax: 503/232-0228 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:24:44 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] huh? At 11:58 PM 7/12/2002 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >So I'm looking for something at half.com, and I notice the following at >the bottom of the page: > >Portions of this page Copyright 1948-2001 Muze Inc. > >19*48*? > >I don't get it - obviously, no portion of any half.com page was online in >1948... Muze owns one of the old paper-based discographical databases (I believe it's Phonolog), which it has thoroughly incorporated into its own database. The older database started in 1948, but Muze owns the copyright now, so even though the company itself is only about 20 years old, it controls intellectual property that's considerably older. Stewart, former Muze employee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:52:25 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Neil Finn show On Saturday, July 13, 2002, at 08:01 AM, Dave Walker wrote: > The AMG entries for _One Nil_ and _One All_ have me a bit confused. > If I am reading correctly, _One all_ contains a few tracks that are > remixed > (slightly? drastically?) for the American market. Does anyone who > has / has heard both have recommendations? Are they different > enough to justify one over the other (assuming a non-completist > buyer who doesn't plan on owning both)? I think the idea was to make One All sound more like a Crowed House album. The remixes are cleaner than the originals, although not greatly different. One All also drops two songs from One Nil in favor of ones that might be considered nicer, and the running order is different. My bias would be toward One Nil, especially if you get it from NZ at a reasonable price. But a case could be made for One All. However, I don't think there's much disagreement about the quality of 7 Worlds Collide. Either the CD or the DVD, which has 9 more songs. - - Steve __________ At the same time he was selling U.S. secrets to the Soviet Union, former FBI special agent Robert Philip Hanssen was a key supervisor in a 1980s domestic-spying program questioning the loyalty of American citizens and monitoring their activities, newly obtained FBI documents show. - Dann & Kennedy, L.A. Times ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 08:55:58 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Neil Finn show Dave Walker wrote: > The AMG entries for _One Nil_ and _One All_ have me a bit confused. > If I am reading correctly, _One all_ contains a few tracks that are > remixed (slightly? drastically?) for the American market. > Does anyone who has / has heard both have recommendations? Are > they different enough to justify one over the other (assuming a > non-completist buyer who doesn't plan on owning both)? I haven't noticed a drastic difference between the two albums, but the mix of ONE ALL sounds more refined and less rough than ONE NIL. I think ONE ALL is the better album overall, because the two new songs ("Human Kindness" and "Lullaby Requiem") are better than the tracks deleted from ONE NIL, and the new sequence works better for me. Plus it's a cheaper purchase (in the USA). - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:52:34 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] frogs reigning, tapes rolling Roger, I got the CD in the mail yesterday before leaving for work, and listened to it in the office. This is truly a labor of love, and I'm sure Scott was touched, by yours and everyone's efforts. My favorite track is the Happening's "Come Home With Me." I played it for a couple of guys at work, one guy in the evening clean-up crew and a guy who works as an announcer for one of the radio stations in the building (a Clearchannel surf...I thought slavery was outlawed). Both really enjoyed it, and I explained the premise about how it came to be, and both thought that was really great. My mom just came in and said "That's really good" (listening to Michele's track again). Michele is getting a grassroots fan base in Greenville, South Carolina. Catch Michele on a new Lilith tour. Also enjoyed Hello Kitty's "Curse of the Frontierland" (not to be confused with Chia Pet, who covered the Human League's "Don't You Want Me" on a New Wave tribute album a decade ago ;O) ). "Penny, Things Won't" is my fave GT song, and I'm also digging this one as well by Mambo the Fly...kinda Freedyish. Going back to a previous thread, ater hearing "Amelia, Have You Lost?" by Bradley Skaught, it made me think how great Stephin Merritt would sound doing this song in a similar style (even if he is gay). The Malchicks. Lemonheadish maybe? I like. The Impatients...sound like 1979 skinny tie. Cool. Same with the Speed Bumps, but with more of a Pavement vocal. "Turn Me On Dead Man" made me laugh. If there isn't any objection, I am going to play some of this the next time I DJ at WNCW, playing the orignal version, then the cover. I think the Indie lovin' night owls would enjoy this. Eight bucks well spent, and it reminded me of why I get over meself and come back here again and again. - -Mark Staples ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:17:30 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Kraft new cheese, er, thread idea On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > coals for my "performance", so I bravely thudded on. The oft-quoted > statistic is that fear of death & fear of public performance (speaking, > playing, etc.) are neck & neck in most people. huh. being on stage for me is a little like folks always described heroin: it made me sick at first, but now i want way more than i can actually have. then again, i'm not afraid of (the little) death. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jul 2002 18:23:21 -0400 From: Dan Schmidt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] linguistic annoyances Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey writes: | Reminds me of a painting by Mark Tansey. It's a sort of parody of | the notion of "action painting" (Pollock et al.): one part shows a | racing car in mid-flipover, flames bursting out of the engine, | etc. Off to the side, an artist stands with an easel, on which she | has sketched about 3/4 of the scene with the car... Hey, that's like my favorite painting! I used to have a copy on my office door. A lot of Tansey's stuff goes over my head (oh, look, the guy on the camel is Derrida, ha ha!, or whatever), but that one I can get. Here's a tiny reproduction: http://www.camh.org/cam_exhandprograms/cam_archive/abstract_dana/fig.6.GIF Dan - -- http://www.dfan.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 17:59:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] linguistic annoyances On 13 Jul 2002, Dan Schmidt wrote: > Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey writes: > > | Reminds me of a painting by Mark Tansey. It's a sort of parody of > | the notion of "action painting" (Pollock et al.): one part shows a > | racing car in mid-flipover, flames bursting out of the engine, > | etc. Off to the side, an artist stands with an easel, on which she > | has sketched about 3/4 of the scene with the car... > > Hey, that's like my favorite painting! I used to have a copy on my > office door. A lot of Tansey's stuff goes over my head (oh, look, the > guy on the camel is Derrida, ha ha!, or whatever), but that one I can > get. > > Here's a tiny reproduction: > > http://www.camh.org/cam_exhandprograms/cam_archive/abstract_dana/fig.6.GIF What's funny here is: *I* have a copy (from the poster for a talk Tansey gave here) on *my* office door. And offlist, someone asked me if I had a copy of that painting, so I did a google image search...and of course came up w/the exact same URL. So this post is utterly superfluous. Now isn't *that* news! - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:03:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] frogs reigning, tapes rolling On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > Catch Michele on a new Lilith tour. Also enjoyed Hello Kitty's "Curse of the > Frontierland" The cool thing about this track is that not only did they rope in Alice Cooper (!) to play the guitar, but the singer is the former Miss Sweden. No lie!* > ater hearing "Amelia, Have You Lost?" by Bradley Skaught, it made me think > how great Stephin Merritt would sound doing this song in a similar style Which reminds me to remind everyone who hasn't yet to buy Bradley's band's CD, _Garden Abstract_ by Bella da Gama. On Miss Sweden's fave label, 125 Records (www.125records.com). - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::glibby glop gloopy nibby nobby noopy la la la la lo:: * okay, I'm lying: it was Frank Zappa, dressed up as Mr. Green Jeans from the Captain Kangaroo show. Or was it Eddie Haskel? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 21:44:54 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Re: frogs reigning, tapes rolling In a message dated 7/13/02 1:52:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Boyof100lists writes: > a Clearchannel surf... This sounds like something to do with the ocean. I mean "serf" of course. Where's Letter Man when you need him? Or Rita Moreno for that matter? - -Mark Staples ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 22:14:02 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] telescopes and mayflies The UK shoegazers from a simpler time the Telescopes have returned with a new album "Third Wave," and if you like stuff like Slowdive, you'll like this. Music samples are on the Double Agent records site. I also noticed in passing at the record store today that the Mayflies USA are coming out with a new album on Tuesday. But most of you probably already knew that, right? (probably already posted and I missed it or something) - -Mark Staples, now a proud Google user np: Glory Fountain "The Beauty of 23" ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #243 *******************************