From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #242 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, July 13 2002 Volume 02 : Number 242 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Lost In Space [AWeiss4338@aol.com] [loud-fans] linguistic annoyances ["me" ] [loud-fans] Re: Kraft new cheese, er, thread idea [Boyof100lists@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] linguistic annoyances [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Kraft new cheese, er, thread idea [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] linguistic annoyances ["Roger Winston" ] Re: [loud-fans] linguistic annoyances ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] linguistic annoyances ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Kraft new cheese, er, thread idea ["me" ] [loud-fans] that one album by The Band [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Yo La Tengo Show (ns) [Dana Paoli ] [loud-fans] Neil Finn show [Michael Zwirn ] [loud-fans] huh? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 03:08:52 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Lost In Space Forgive the cross posting, it's just that I know their are Aimee fans on this list for Scott Miller (Loud Family), and the site address. http://www.vh1.com/artists/az/mann_aimee/322761/album.jhtml I say go to here, rather than MTV.com, if you want to hear Aimee Mann's latest album, you can rate it, and if she makes a video for Humpty Dumpty, the single, it might get played here. Yeah this is as good as anything she's ever done, and yes this reminds me of Bachelor #2. I think everyone is going to really like this. And I can't see why either how people would have a hard time getting into this, it's very accessible. This really does give FRTR a run for it's money for me (from Ritual To Romance, a live album from the Loud Family, if you want an intro to Scott Miller start here-125records.com) for info) and also for the record I listed at #1 on my top ten, Love & China from Katryna & Nerissa Nields. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:03:30 -0700 From: "me" Subject: [loud-fans] linguistic annoyances a. my cousin sent me an e-mail in the afghani version of farsi, but he wrote it phonetically, so i had to go through about 6 hours of serious concentration to translate the damn thing. there are sites out there that will do it, but only from the script. argh. AND... b. there's a new and ridiculous thing floating around lately, and i'd been blowing it off for the last month. but yesterday i heard it said by two people who are usually fairly well-spoken, and one was a newscaster. the phenomenon is the doubling of the word 'is'. in other words, "the thing is is that he wasn't going to work" or "what he said is is that he never wanted a dog." WTF?!?!?! is this only happening around me? is there some grammatical justification for this? ed, my SO, started saying this back in maybe march or april, and i figured i was hearing him wrong or he was using it as a stalling word, like 'um', but it seems to be spreading. i've heard it now from two people at work and a KCBS anchor. and Dubya said it last week, which may signal the beginning of an epidemic of 'is is's. it makes no sense at all, and it adds words. i don't get it. but i'd love to know if this is happening in other parts of the country. brianna - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:26:10 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Kraft new cheese, er, thread idea In a message dated 7/12/02 2:12:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cj@mn.rr.com writes: > I took voice lessons in college as part of my scholarship requirements. Oh, > did I hate them. And I especially hated departmental recitals. I was a > jackass and wrote "I hate departmentals" on my t-shirt for a departmental That's gutsy and great. That reminds me of a homemade tee-shirt the bass player had on in the band that played before us at a show years ago (at a skate park...we're in the big time now, ma!). This guy was toweringly tall. His shirt read: "NO I'M SORRY I DON'T PLAY BASKETBALL." I hated recitals. To have someone who gets paid for supposed mastery in an area judge you for something you really don't want to do at a departmental, is the worst. I took piano and guitar in college and at the semester end (just intro on each instrument, just for fun...at least it was SUPPOSED to be for fun) piano recital I really screwed up a couple of measures and, when I finished, the reverberation of the piano on the last chord was like the audio manifestation of all the anxiety I was experiencing. Then the dragging of the piano stool across the tile floor in that echoey room as I got up to leave, with professors peering at me in ties and formal dresses on folding chairs behind folding tables across the room, scribbling silently, with my own instructor finally saying, "Thankyou, Mark." It was like an ad for Paxil or something. Guitar class was fun, and complely the opposite of piano. We played easy stuff as a group like "Sweet Jane." It was meant to to laid back and enjoyable, and that was the most fun class I ever had in college, next to creative writing. For our recital, we picked a few pieces we liked and played them just for the teacher alone. He was a super nice guy (the world "mellow" would not be inappropriate) who looked kind of like he could have been a roadie for the Grateful Dead or something. - -Mark Staples np: The Waxwings "Shadows of the Waxwings" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:50:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] linguistic annoyances On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, me wrote: > b. there's a new and ridiculous thing floating around lately, and i'd been > blowing it off for the last month. but yesterday i heard it said by two > people who are usually fairly well-spoken, and one was a newscaster. the > phenomenon is the doubling of the word 'is'. in other words, "the thing is is > that he wasn't going to work" or "what he said is is that he never wanted a > dog." I'm assuming there's a slight pause in between the two instances of "is"? I suppose it's the sort of emphasis similar to saying "where it's at," where "where it is" conveys exactly the same information. So "The thing is" is construed as a complex subject, and the rest of the sentence is its verbal component. But yeah, it's annoying. Unless glenn chips in with some analysis of how it's actually perfectly functional and explicable. Oh - Sign of the Impending Apocalypse #5,372: George W. Bush as model for speech. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::flag on the moon...how'd it get there?:: np: Future Bible Heroes _Memories of Love_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:36:23 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] linguistic annoyances > Unless glenn chips in with some analysis of how it's actually perfectly > functional and explicable. Dear Mr. with 2Fs Jeffrey, Thank you for your interest in our Idiot-Grammar Rationalization service. The free trial period is was a tremendous success, and is is now complete. The commercial version of the service is will be available in select areas starting in entermonthhere. We look forward to serving you to. For more information, please get more information from our web site, at http://www.wemadeyoulook.com/, for information. Sincereally, Dr. S. S. Ismylastname IGR Inc., Incorporated ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:46:54 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Kraft new cheese, er, thread idea Recitals nearly did me in; just the small ones were enough to make me ill, and I really did "sick out" on one. Oddly, in first grade, my first piano recital at school in front of all the 'rents, it wasn't so bad. I was nervous, but not pathologically so, and I got a rush from performing. Interestingly, I unwittingly and actually unknowingly transposed the entire second half of the song. Only my mom and the teacher knew. Guess that should have been a sign of things to come! But one reason I quit lessons is that recitals began to undo me more every time, even though my last teacher was a private teacher and our recitals were only for a few people in her home. I went from thinking it was kind of cool to play in front of people to not even being able to play in front of my mom! Of course, that meant I could no longer even practice without high anxiety, and that hasn't much changed. People ask if my husband and I play music together. The sad answer is no, because I can't even play in front of him anymore. I can record something and play it for people, but I can't play "live" for them. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:48:57 -0400 From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Birdie Re: Birdie/"Some Dusty" Mark wrote: I thought I was the only person in the world who had this CD!!! I absolutely love this record. One of those albums that is a cozy little world you want to visit again and again. Like "Big Shot." Or maybe "Blizzard of Oz." :O) - -Mark Staples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Despite the fact that Mark and I both like this, I think that it might appeal to others here. No point in describing it when there's allmusic, but I like to think of it as what would happen if St. Etienne (circa "Landing on Water") were forced to make a twee-pop album. Unlike much that is twee, though, it's well produced. I was surprised that it doesn't appear at furia (at least now in my search), but then again everything about furia surprises me. The lead Birdie was in the Dolly Mixture, but anyone who knows the Dolly Mixture will probably already own this. - --dana ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:04:46 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] linguistic annoyances BBme on 7/12/2002 12:03:30 PM wrote: > b. there's a new and ridiculous thing floating around lately, and i'd been > blowing it off for the last month. but yesterday i heard it said by two > people who are usually fairly well-spoken, and one was a newscaster. the > phenomenon is the doubling of the word 'is'. in other words, "the thing is is > that he wasn't going to work" or "what he said is is that he never wanted a > dog." WTF?!?!?! is this only happening around me? is there some grammatical > justification for this? ed, my SO, started saying this back in maybe march or > april, and i figured i was hearing him wrong or he was using it as a stalling > word, like 'um', but it seems to be spreading. i've heard it now from two > people at work and a KCBS anchor. and Dubya said it last week, which may > signal the beginning of an epidemic of 'is is's. it makes no sense at all, > and it adds words. i don't get it. but i'd love to know if this is happening > in other parts of the country. From Bush's press conference on the 8th: "You need to look back on the director's minutes, but all I can tell you IS IS that in the corporate world sometimes things aren't exactly black and white when it comes to accounting procedures, and the SEC's job is to look and is to determine whether or not the decision by the auditors was the appropriate decision. And they did look, and they decided that earnings ought to be restated, and the company did so immediately upon the SEC's finding." Can you say "run-on sentence"? Anyway, I'd say we have have our mandate. But what I want to know is is what does this sound like when spoken? I've only seen it written. Is the accent on the first "is" or the second "is"? Is there a pause in there somewhere? I need to know so I can start using it in normal speech. BTW, this is is the first I've heard of this clever new linguistic oddity. Y'know, it's really hard to do a web search on "is is". Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:14:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] linguistic annoyances On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Roger Winston wrote: > Anyway, I'd say we have have our mandate. But what I want to know is > is what does this sound like when spoken? I've only seen it written. > Is the accent on the first "is" or the second "is"? Is there a pause > in there somewhere? I need to know so I can start using it in normal > speech. BTW, this is is the first I've heard of this clever new > linguistic oddity. "What this IS is a new way of placing emphasis." Think of it as "This is a new way of placing emphasis" for a world where shouting doesn't warrant attention. Let's hear GWB say "renumeration". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:06:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] linguistic annoyances On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > "What this IS is a new way of placing emphasis." Think of it as "This is > a new way of placing emphasis" for a world where shouting doesn't warrant > attention. Yes, but your example actually makes sense. Your tragic flaw, Joe. > Let's hear GWB say "renumeration". Does anyone else think W preaching about the excesses of the market sounds a lot like a drunk inveighing against taverns - shortly before toppling off to yet another? I'm a bit worried, actually: the whole economy is a confidence game, literally - and if investors en masse decide that until this whole shebang is settled, they cannot be confident of the value of any company, well, then they won't be...and thus follows actual devaluation of those companies. Then again, the lower the market goes, the more tempting it is to buy in, figuring that there's nowhere else to go but up - and once that happens, up will indeed be the direction. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, singing karaoke, okay J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. ::That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! __Thomas Pynchon, VINELAND__ np: Tram _A Kind of Closure_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:14:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] linguistic annoyances On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, glenn mcdonald wrote: > Dear Mr. with 2Fs Jeffrey, > > Thank you for your interest in our Idiot-Grammar Rationalization service. The > free trial period is was a tremendous success, and is is now complete. The > commercial version of the service is will be available in select areas > starting in entermonthhere. We look forward to serving you to. For more > information, please get more information from our web site, at > http://www.wemadeyoulook.com/, for information. > > Sincereally, > > Dr. S. S. Ismylastname > IGR Inc., Incorporated Dear Mr. Ismylastname. Although you're service's have been satisfactorily for the most part's I'm afraid that I am undissatisfied with you're treatment of apostrophe's. Therefor, I mus't ask for my money's back. Concerning you're firm, its a question of it's integrity. I trus't that you will due the rite thing. Your's sincerely, I.M. Hope-Leslie Muddled - -- Actually, some of the resulting verb tenses remind me of the grammatical tangles elaborated upon by Douglas Adams in reference to certain paradoxes of time travel and their effects upon verb tense... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:13:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] linguistic annoyances > "What this IS is a new way of placing emphasis." Reading this sentence, I was taking out the extra 'is' and realized it doesn't make sense that way either. This got me wondering whether one could justify the iss (is's? "is"s? are?) Consider the following exchange: "I don't know what this thing does." "What it does is X" This is the same contruction, but doesn't sound so awkward since it's using "does" instead of "is". Of course, one could simply say "It does X", and I probably would. However, there is one advantage to the complicated subject "what it does"--it more closely ties the response to the question by repeating the construction around the word "what". As a matter of grammar, it seems difficult to justify, but as a matter of rhetoric, one could imagine the complicated subject helps draw the attention of the interlocutor to the response. - --Michael, who knows a few people on this list might be intereested in reading Nick Hornby's article on World Cup in the most recent New Yorker if they haven't already, and who also encourages everyone to read the article on Lance Armstrong and the Tour de France in the same issue. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:23:16 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] linguistic annoyances > "What this IS is a new way of placing emphasis." but that's correct. emphasis i've been hearing when used incorrectly: The thing IS, is that he said.... that is is incorrectrect. Think of it as "This is > a new way of placing emphasis" for a world where shouting doesn't warrant > attention. maybe, but MY shouting is going to get attention if i hear it one more time. - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Cc: "the sound of the collective grumbling" Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] linguistic annoyances > On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Roger Winston wrote: > > Anyway, I'd say we have have our mandate. But what I want to know is > > is what does this sound like when spoken? I've only seen it written. > > Is the accent on the first "is" or the second "is"? Is there a pause > > in there somewhere? I need to know so I can start using it in normal > > speech. BTW, this is is the first I've heard of this clever new > > linguistic oddity. > > > Let's hear GWB say "renumeration". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:27:09 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] linguistic annoyances maybe it's a case similar to the following example of our fickle language: it is = it's correct: it's over there incorrect: over there is where it's. why? - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:41:10 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Kraft new cheese, er, thread idea you're not the only one... i used to be quite the little performer (piano, flute, violin, ballet, you name it), but i've gotten more and more terrified every time i've been on a stage. the last time i was on a true theatrical stage i had my one and only panic attack, a good deal of which i don't remember. the time before that i passed out on my way offstage. i've performed at ground level a few times, which is a lot easier. i now limit it to firedancing, though, because i KNOW no one is looking at me - they're watching the fire. - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "jenny grover" Cc: Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Kraft new cheese, er, thread idea > Recitals nearly did me in; just the small ones were enough to make me > ill, and I really did "sick out" on one. Oddly, in first grade, my > first piano recital at school in front of all the 'rents, it wasn't so > bad. I was nervous, but not pathologically so, and I got a rush from > performing. Interestingly, I unwittingly and actually unknowingly > transposed the entire second half of the song. Only my mom and the > teacher knew. Guess that should have been a sign of things to come! > But one reason I quit lessons is that recitals began to undo me more > every time, even though my last teacher was a private teacher and our > recitals were only for a few people in her home. I went from thinking > it was kind of cool to play in front of people to not even being able to > play in front of my mom! Of course, that meant I could no longer even > practice without high anxiety, and that hasn't much changed. People ask > if my husband and I play music together. The sad answer is no, because > I can't even play in front of him anymore. I can record something and > play it for people, but I can't play "live" for them. > > Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:44:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] linguistic annoyances On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, me wrote: > > "What this IS is a new way of placing emphasis." I was offering only pronunciation advice, not sanction or dismissal. > emphasis i've been hearing when used incorrectly: > > The thing IS, is that he said.... > > that is is incorrectrect. "The thing is, is that" is not wrong per se, just unnecessary. "The thing is" serves to provide emphasis to the tale of horror and woe that follows it. It is similar in form to "Y'know" as a sentence beginning: "Y'know, the tire is going to fall on your head if you're not careful." "The thing is, is that the tire was going to fall on your head!" Unnecessary? Yes. Pointless? In most cases. Grammatically wrong? I don't believe so. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:47:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Kraft new cheese, er, thread idea On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, me wrote: > i used to be quite the little performer (piano, flute, violin, ballet, you > name it), but i've gotten more and more terrified every time i've been on a > stage. the last time i was on a true theatrical stage i had my one and only > panic attack, a good deal of which i don't remember. the time before that i > passed out on my way offstage. i've performed at ground level a few times, > which is a lot easier. i now limit it to firedancing, though, because i > KNOW no one is looking at me - they're watching the fire. For some reason, I don't have a problem being on stage, as long as I know what I'm doing. (If I'm acting, I know my lines. If I'm teaching, I know the material. etc.) I'm lucky that no one early on ever raked me over the coals for my "performance", so I bravely thudded on. The oft-quoted statistic is that fear of death & fear of public performance (speaking, playing, etc.) are neck & neck in most people. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:51:39 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] linguistic annoyances hm. [ ] = unnecessary parts. when i've used the phrase, it has been: [The thing is,] my radiator is exploding. in my opinion, the unnecessary part includes BOTH is-es (iss? is's?) [The thing is, is that] my radiator is exploding. joe may be right. i still find it incredibly stupid and borderline offensive. if nothing else, it wastes time. and it makes me irritable. and my radiator really IS (is) exploding. - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 18:28:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] that one album by The Band On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, jenny grover wrote: > Recitals nearly did me in; just the small ones were enough to make me > ill, and I really did "sick out" on one. Oddly, in first grade, my > first piano recital at school in front of all the 'rents, it wasn't so > bad. I was nervous, but not pathologically so, and I got a rush from > performing. Interestingly, I unwittingly and actually unknowingly > transposed the entire second half of the song. Only my mom and the > teacher knew. I played a lot of piano in my youth (and baseball too, come to think of it), and I remember being *slightly* nervous about it - same with acting in high school, and when I first began teaching - but not too bad. I never could get up the nerve to be in a rock'n'roll band, though - that's a regret. However, Jen's story about transposing half of a song reminds me of one of my near- crash-and-burn moments at a piano recital. I think I was 13 or so; I was playing a Chopin prelude (uh...G#m I think? Or is it Ab major? It modulates from one to the other in the middle anyway) and I suddenly spaced on what I was supposed to play. Luckily, the key feature of this prelude is a persistent eighth-note rhythm, and I just kept that going and improvised until I found my way back to the piece. However, I wasn't so talented as to be able to improvise in the style of Chopin - and because I was nervous, my sense of which notes might possibly be in something like the key I was supposed to be in was a bit off. It probably sounded like Chopin had suddenly channeled a rather drunken spirit of Cecil Taylor. A far better save of a performance fuck-up came in high school. We were doing _The Fantasticks_, and I was...who the hell was I? A fairly minor role, anyway - but at one point, there was a sword fight (we had stylized wooden swords), and another actor (playing one of the major characters) found his sword missing or broken or something. (Give me a break on details...it *was* more than 20 years ago!) Thinking quickly, he grabbed mine. At the time, I was supposed to be quite theatrically expiring; we'd worked out that I was to draw my last breaths while attempting to raise myself from a prone position by using my sword as a crutch. So here I was, just starting to elevate myself using this sword, and it's taken from me! I didn't know why - but luckily, I thought of the way cartoon characters can walk off cliffs and, until they look down, not realize anything's wrong. So I simply "climbed" hand over hand up my now-invisible sword...until I "realized" and collapsed in a heap. Worked out alright - got a laugh. And some commendation from the director for quick thinking. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html Why must they laugh at my mighty sword? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 18:33:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] linguistic annoyances On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, me wrote: > and my radiator really IS (is) exploding. That's a very slow explosion you've got there, Brianna. Reminds me of a painting by Mark Tansey. It's a sort of parody of the notion of "action painting" (Pollock et al.): one part shows a racing car in mid-flipover, flames bursting out of the engine, etc. Off to the side, an artist stands with an easel, on which she has sketched about 3/4 of the scene with the car... - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. I don't want it. ::I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal! __"raus"__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:41:08 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] linguistic annoyances > Reminds me of a painting by Mark Tansey. It's a sort of parody of the > notion of "action painting" (Pollock et al.): one part shows a racing car > in mid-flipover, flames bursting out of the engine, etc. Off to the side, > an artist stands with an easel, on which she has sketched about 3/4 of the > scene with the car... > > --Jeff OMFG!!! i wnat a copy! that's hysterical. i could put it somewhere really obvious and use it as a perception test. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:22:19 -0400 From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] Yo La Tengo Show (ns) So, um, the next time I say that a venue doesn't get very crowded, everyone please ignore me. I hope that some folks were able to find other folks at Woodstock, I mean at the Yo La Tengo show at Prospect Park. I've never seen anything like that before. I wound up standing up by the seats, and had a great view, though it would have been nice to sit on a blanket. For those not there, the show was pretty much a mix of all the various sides of the band. Biggest cheers came for "Tom Courtenay" which made me happy, as my pet theory is that Yo La Tengo's raison d'etre is basically one great album (Electr-O-Pura), one great EP (President Yo La Tengo), and longevity+connections. The final encore was inevitably their cover of "Let's Get Rid of New York" which was a nice touch. Last time I saw them do it, it was played acoustically for a group of 30 people in a record store in upstate New York, so it was interesting to see it repeated in feedback mode in front of a crowd that was probably 300 or so times larger. Especially sad that I didn't find other folks because I came up with such a brilliant lie while smuggling in a cold bottle of tequila to share: they were searching bags at the entrance, and the guy felt the freezing bottle and said "what's that" and I replied "ice packs" and for some reason that did the trick. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:23:21 -0700 From: Michael Zwirn Subject: [loud-fans] Neil Finn show I saw Neil Finn last night at the Roseland in Portland, with Ed Harcourt. Oh my, what a show. One Nil (and its American equivalent, One All) do little for me, but his performances are still magical. He and a great band (with Sebastian Steinberg of Soul Coughing on bass and Lisa Germano on violin/keyboard/background vocals) ran through a host of songs from his solo albums, plus lots of Crowded House material, two Split Enz tunes, a Who cover (!) and part of Aerosmith's "Walk This Way," and were generally fabulous. There was some nice additional instrumentation provided by Harcourt's trumpet player and Harcourt himself on piano. I was impressed that they started off with "Pineapple Head," a relatively minor song from Crowded House's Together Alone,, before the current single "Driving Me Mad" (with Lisa singing Sheryl Crow's backup vocals). The animated crowd, many of them in old Crowded House t-shirts, was singing along happily even before Neil invited a singalong component during an acoustic set that included "Fall at Your Feet" (with audience members on stage), a rarity called "Time Immemorial" from the Crowded House back catalogue, and a glorious "Distant Sun." The band was particularly convincing on the more upbeat numbers, including Split Enz's "One Step Ahead," "The Kids Are Alright" (dedicated to John Entwistle), "She Will Have Her Way" and "Take a Walk," dedicated to Eddie Vedder, who sings in on the Seven Worlds Collide concert album and DVD. Lisa and the guitarist (whom I didn't know) each did a solo piece as well. Ed Harcourt's set at first was unmistakably reminiscent of Rufus Wainwright (although, as the Willamette Week notes, without the homoeroticism), but there were also other orchestral-pop elements provided principally on trumpet, and a doomed-romantic quality implicit in Harcourt's vocals. It was perhaps a bit overly theatrical, but solid. - -------------------------------------- Michael J. Zwirn, Environmental Policy Analyst http://zwirn.com michael@zwirn.com Home: 503/232-8919 Cell: 503/887-9800 Fax: 503/232-0228 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:58:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] huh? So I'm looking for something at half.com, and I notice the following at the bottom of the page: Portions of this page Copyright 1948-2001 Muze Inc. 19*48*? I don't get it - obviously, no portion of any half.com page was online in 1948... Damn - Sharples is studying so he's not reading this. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I play the guitar. Sometimes I play the fool:: __John Lennon__ ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #242 *******************************