From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #239 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, July 10 2002 Volume 02 : Number 239 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Half-year lists? ["John Sharples" ] Re: [loud-fans] Bren or Brenda? (ns) ["Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] Re: Half-year lists? [Kenny Kessel ] Re: [loud-fans] Bren or Brenda? (ns) ["Roger Winston" ] Re: [loud-fans] Bren or Brenda? (ns) ["John Swartzentruber" ] Re: [loud-fans] Ritual Secrets Revealed? [Tim_Walters@digidesign.com] Re: [loud-fans] Bren or Brenda? (ns) [Cyndy Patrick ] [loud-fans] There are no Warhols worth shooting [Michael Zwirn ] Re: [loud-fans] Bren or Brenda? (ns) [jenny grover ] [loud-fans] Gene Kan dies ["me" ] [loud-fans] Fountains of Wayne [Carolyn Dorsey ] [loud-fans] Ten for the first half [Bill Silvers ] Re: [loud-fans] Ten for the first half [OptionsR@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Ten for the first half [Bill Silvers ] Re: [loud-fans] RE: 1/2 year report [Boyof100lists@aol.com] [loud-fans] maybe this has been done...thread idea [Boyof100lists@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Half-year lists? [AWeiss4338@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:17:53 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Half-year lists? Gil: >9.Oh yeah! Loud Family-From Rituals to Romance (I >shamelessly love this record! Not only is it the only >documentation of Mike Tittel's drumming, I think it >has the definitive version of Deee-pression.) Seconded! Funny, your post came across just as I was giving this rockin' little record its debut spin. My current faves are Deee-p and Good There Are No Lions. My only complaint is - I wish you coulda used Sword Swallower from the '98 tour!! Like Gil, my Half-year list is all old stuff, because I got way behind the last three years: New Pornographers and The Old 97's SATELLITE RIDES. Good stuff! JS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:19:42 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Half-year lists? So far, and more or less in order. Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot GbV - Universal Truths and Cycles Doleful Lions - Out Like a Lamb Waxwings - Shadow of the Waxwings Glory Fountain - The Beauty of 23 Green Pajamas - This Is Where We Disappear The Church - Everything and Now This Kimberly Rew - Great Central Revisited Starbelly - Everyday and Then Some Mooney Suzuki - Electric Sweat Tommy Keene - The Merry-Go-Round - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:32:45 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Half-year lists ....one big one missing! How did I leave off FROM RITUAL TO ROMANCE! This one is right up there with one of my all-time fave live albums. Big kudos to Tim Walters for the excellent mastering of this disc working from masters of varying sound qualities. Also, I'm sure, a big thanks for Scott who probably is responsible for the song selection and sequencing. When that opener goes into "Here Come the Warm Jets" I am just totally hooked for the ride. My only disappointment is that no recordings existed from the last tour also be included. And finally thanks to Joe and Sue for making this happen! - -Larry |-----Original Message----- |From: Larry Tucker |Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:20 AM |To: loud-fans@smoe.org |Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Half-year lists? | | |So far, and more or less in order. | |Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot |GbV - Universal Truths and Cycles |Doleful Lions - Out Like a Lamb |Waxwings - Shadow of the Waxwings |Glory Fountain - The Beauty of 23 |Green Pajamas - This Is Where We Disappear |The Church - Everything and Now This |Kimberly Rew - Great Central Revisited |Starbelly - Everyday and Then Some |Mooney Suzuki - Electric Sweat |Tommy Keene - The Merry-Go-Round | |-Larry | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 10:52:04 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Half-year lists? I haven't heard enough albums this year to make a worthwhile list of favorites. I've listened to Stew's NAKED DUTCH PAINTER, and Brendan Benson's LAPALCO more than anything this year.. still warming to GBV, Tommy Keene, and a few others. Here's a list forwarded from Bradley. Steve - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: 1/2 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:09:54 -0700 From: "Bradley Skaught" To: I hear the half year lists are all the rage--would you mind forwarding mine on? No particular order, really... 1. Edwyn Collins Dr. Syntax 2. Jill Olson My Best Yesterday 3. Oasis Heathen Chemistry 4. Jim Lauderdale Hummingbirds 5. Brendan Benson Lapalco 6. Cinerama Torino 7. Guided By Voices Universal Truths & Cycles 8. David Bowie Heathen 9. Loud Family From Ritual to Romance 10. Bevis Frond What Did For The Dinosaurs 11. Elvis Costello When I Was Cruel 12. Neil Finn One All 13. Jona Lewie The Best Of 14. Anton Barbeau/Bevis Frond tba (sneaky promo copy!) 15. David Kilgour Feather in the Engine Eagerly anticipating: Mekons, Aimee Mann, The Devils, Morrissey (hopefully!), Springsteen, For Stars, Soft Boys, Idlewild, many more... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:09:00 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Bren or Brenda? (ns) >True, but we never know anymore whether to check DALnet or Eskimo. So to the point! Maybe we should have an informal rule that the first person "at" a chat "shoots up a flare," as I call it, to the rest of the list. I've noticed, of course, that certain folk have trouble reaching DAL.net and/or eskimo.com at certain times. Anyone have any idea why this is so? And of course, if anyone wants to construct an IRC server exclusively for Loudfans--no more connectivity headaches, preferred nicks for all--I'm all fingers, and I'm sure others are too. Wondering what glenn thought of 13 CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ONE THING, Andy The untranscribed Carson interview was scheduled to be my second published Rolling Stone cover story; before it appeared, I also had to pen a page-one piece on the Blues Brothers for the issue dated Feb. 22, 1979. At this stage in my existence, I was an unmarried 27-year-old subletting a two-room flat on East 11th Street in Manhattan from former Crawdaddy editor and periodic Rolling Stone contributor Mitch Glazer, who's still my best friend. Unfortunately, Mitch was too easygoing about the routing of either my rent checks to him or the payments due our landlord. The night before I was to leave for San Francisco to rendezvous with the Blues Brothers, I came home from a party at Leibovitz's to find the door of the 11th Street flat plastered with a big red-ink banner from the City Marshal's office. The sign proclaimed that the premises had been repossessed. Speaking to the building superintendent through his locked door at 1:30 a.m., he explained the flat's contents had been impounded and carted to a municipal warehouse in Harlem and that any overspill was in ashcans in the sub-basement. He suggested I sift through the trash to see what was salvageable. I did, but I found no Carson tapes. It was now 3 a.m. I still had my plane tickets to San Francisco in my jacket pocket. Yet I no longer had a home or personal effects; or, soon, I was sure, a job. Limping back tearfully to the Rolling Stone office, I slept on the couch in the foyer. At dawn, I went to an Army & Navy store, bought some clothes, phoned Glazer in San Francisco, where he happened to have flown out to see the same New Year's Eve Blues Brothers gig (a co-bill with the Grateful Dead, on the occasion of the historic closing of Winterland), and then caught my plane. I wandered into the Winterland rehearsals just as Blues Brother John Belushi was introducing "Shotgun Blues" with the wry homily, "This is dedicated to Mitch Glazer, who just fucked over his best friend, Tim White." Convinced my career was over, I nonetheless pressed on with the interviews with Belushi and partner Dan Aykroyd. That night, there was a big champagne bash at the Jefferson Starship's mansion in San Francisco; despite warnings from concert promoter Bill Graham not to drink anything I didn't uncork myself, I took a swig from a bottle of electric wine proffered by a blissfully addled Aykroyd. I spent the next 48 hours on an inaugural (bad) LSD trip, a hallucinatory hell ride so horrific that Mitch, Belushi, and his wife, Judy, sat on either side of my hotel bed for hours, talking me down and giving me Valium and John's Blues Brothers Ray-Bans as a souvenir; anything to dissuade me from a manic desire to be taken to a hospital, the worse place on earth for those bumming out on excellent windowpane acid. Straggling back to New York that weekend, I was still tripping mildly but nonetheless had to pull two all-nighters writing the Blues Brothers cover package so it would meet the press deadline. That Tuesday, Mitch and I went up to the aforementioned Harlem warehouse to reclaim my impounded possessions. Since I'd lost my fixed address, Belushi let Mitch and I truck the huge boxes down to the cellar of his town house on Morton Street, where we frantically rifled through them in search of Carson cassettes. After a tiny eternity, I located the tapes in the bowels of the last box. [--Timothy White of Billboard magazine on his days at Rolling Stone magazine; from his final Billboard column, filed June 27, 2002, approximately 60 minutes before his fatal heart attack.] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:45:14 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Bren or Brenda? (ns) > Wondering what glenn thought of 13 CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ONE THING, Really wanted to like it, and really didn't. Thought it was ponderous, charmless, poorly cast, nuancelessly written, drably shot, convolutedly structured to no good end, depressing, insightless and dull. But at least it had aspirations, I guess. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 11:56:27 -0700 From: Kenny Kessel Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Half-year lists? Gil wrote: > Loud Family-From Rituals to Romance ... I think it > has the definitive version of Deee-pression.) Definitely. When we were mixing the studio version on Days for Days, there was a general consensus that we had probably recorded it at too slow a tempo. There was some talk of trying to speed it up digitally, but the studio was expensive and time was tight, and we never tried it. It always sounded better live. Kenny K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:27:46 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Bren or Brenda? (ns) Andrew Hamlin on 7/9/2002 12:09:00 PM wrote: > >True, but we never know anymore whether to check DALnet or Eskimo. > > > So to the point! Maybe we should have an informal rule that the first > person "at" a chat "shoots up a flare," as I call it, to the rest of the > list. Am I missing something? Is it that much harder to check two places than one? Wouldn't it be funny if there were two separate chats going on at the same time in the two different places with two different sets of people. Or maybe we could divide things up. "You people who want to talk about movies - you're exiled to DalNet. You alcoholics - you can stay on Eskimo." Usually someone does shoot up a flare. It appears it was just forgotten this one time. We'll do better next time. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 15:35:08 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Bren or Brenda? (ns) On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:27:46 -0600, Roger Winston wrote: >Usually someone does shoot up a flare. It appears it was just forgotten this one time. We'll do better next time. Is anyone else annoyed by all of the chat notifications on this list? It is an email list after all, and not a chat list. Of course now I see that each chat notification means that I won't get twenty messages about the missed notification. Before I get flamed: I'm not really complaining, and I know how to hit delete. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:41:25 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Bren or Brenda? (ns) >Wouldn't it be funny if there were two separate chats going on at the same time in the two different places with two different sets of people. Or maybe we could divide things up. "You people who want to talk about movies - you're exiled to DalNet. You alcoholics - you can stay on Eskimo." Yeah but what about alcoholic movie buffs? And Rog's finger twitches spasmodically over the "Anti-Andy Missile" button, Andy Q: Many genres of music inform some of the songs on MY RIDE'S HERE: funk, martial-type music, and the work of various 20th century classical composers. Are these styles that you've spent time listening to recently that inform your work? Any particular pieces or composers that inspired you? A: What I listen to for pleasure is usually as distant as possible from what I'm working on. So, if I'm writing hard rock, I'll listening to Benjamin Britten or Lila Downs, if I'm writing love songs--wait a minute, I don't write love songs! [--Warren Zevon, from an interview by Michael Krumper provided with the press kit for his new album, MY RIDE'S HERE] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 15:41:26 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Bren or Brenda? (ns) >Is anyone else annoyed by all of the chat notifications on this list? >It is an email list after all, and not a chat list. Of course now I see >that each chat notification means that I won't get twenty messages >about the missed notification. > >Before I get flamed: I'm not really complaining, and I know how to hit >delete. I figure I waste enough of this list's time with inane posts that I can hardly complain about some friendly chat notifications... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:48:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] Ritual Secrets Revealed? Okay, I dug up some unaltered tapes from the shows constituting FRTR, and I've got some questions: it seems (evidence is inconclusive, because my taper himself edited out some tracks) that "Eleven" originally followed rather than preceded "Deee-Pression" at that show (leading into "Businessmen Are Okay"). Set-list collectors: is that right? (I'm talking about the 8-8-98 show.) I like the way it works tucked in between "Five" and "Deee-Pression," but it does lead me to ask who sequenced the CD and on what basis? Also, some nice editing: in the middle section of "Deee-Pression" from this show, Scott muffs the first "right now" part, landing on too high a note at first (as revealed on that soundboard tape). You may notice that on FRTR, the first "right now" features first only then primarily Alison, while the second one has both Scott and Alison singing. A little touching up, nicely done. Also: what's up with the little notice "The Loud Family appears courtesy Alias Records"? I thought (a) their contract had been fulfilled and had expired, and that (b) there's no "Alias Records" anymore for them to have appeared courtesy of. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. ::That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! __Thomas Pynchon, VINELAND__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:59:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "Minority Report" research On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 Boyof100lists@aol.com wrote: > But media experts agree that being able to work with that sort of information > and develop such highly targeted commercials is an advertiser's wet dream. > "Everyone wants to get directly to their audience," says White. "Why waste > your money on people that aren't interested in what you're selling? When the > advertiser knows you, some people are going to like it and some are going to > hate it. Yes, there's the scary Big Brother thing. But I personally don't > want to have to watch adverts for incontinency pads, at least until I'm ready > for them." This quote reveals the rather bizarre disconnection from reality apparently suffered by some advertisers. Ads of the sort depicted in the movie, because they're so pervasive, are guaranteed to reach even *more* people who "aren't interested in what [advertisers] are selling." Besides which, you may not notice while watching the film, but the ads targeted directly at "John Anderton" would be impractical in reality even overlooking the ethical and technological questions raised in the rest of the article Mark quotes, since all those other people on the subway, walking into the clothing store, etc., are going to see and hear them too. Dick had the better (from advertisers' perspective) idea: tiny electronic "bugs" that would flit about people's head, buzzing corporations' names and slogans into their eardrums. You can't target individuals in a crowded urban environment w/o also hitting untargeted individuals (unless everyone in the environment is your target...which also helps explain the attempts to evaporate public space and privatize every square inch of real estate: if you own it, you control access, and if you control access, you can let in only certain people - and thereby create a specific, targeted audience). There's also the fact that while the ad people were drooling over their fun in making the movie, within the movie the ads pretty clearly were among the main vehicles for bringing across the question of invasion of privacy, which its main theme clearly enunciated. Hardly a ringing endorsement for the advertisers' concepts. Hey - didn't anybody go see _Men in Black II_? Or are we all anti-brainless fun these days? I haven't seen it yet - but I'm assuming it's both fun and relatively think-free. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:03:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "Minority Report" research On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Hey - didn't anybody go see _Men in Black II_? Or are we all > anti-brainless fun these days? I haven't seen it yet - but I'm assuming > it's both fun and relatively think-free. I saw MIB2 (or M2B). It was a retread of the original, but fun in a harmless way. A dog plays a rather substantial part, and Lara Flynn Boyle looks pretty good. J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 16:09:40 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "Minority Report" research Proving my early point about inane posts: Joe says: >I saw MIB2 (or M2B). It was a retread of the original, but fun in a >harmless way. A dog plays a rather substantial part, and Lara Flynn Boyle >looks pretty good. Then she must have gained about 80 pounds. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:14:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "Minority Report" research On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Aaron Milenski wrote: > Joe says: > > >I saw MIB2 (or M2B). It was a retread of the original, but fun in a > >harmless way. A dog plays a rather substantial part, and Lara Flynn Boyle > >looks pretty good. > > Then she must have gained about 80 pounds. Yeah, I heard she ate Calista Flockhart. That would about cover it, give or take a porterhouse steak or two. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I feel that all movies should have things that happen in them:: __TV's Frank__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:18:43 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "Minority Report" research Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey on 7/9/2002 8:59:35 AM wrote: > Besides which, you may not notice while watching the film, but the ads > targeted directly at "John Anderton" would be impractical in reality even > overlooking the ethical and technological questions raised in the rest of > the article Mark quotes, since all those other people on the subway, > walking into the clothing store, etc., are going to see and hear them too. Sound-wise, I just assumed they were using the Audio Spotlight: http://web.media.mit.edu/~pompei/spotlight/ (Which would be a good way to gaslight someone, BTW.) Hasn't this come up on the list before? Maybe that was in an off-list discussion I had with doug or someone. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:48:52 -0400 From: "Brett Milano" Subject: [loud-fans] RE: 1/2 year report My half-year list would go thusly....(Sorry to gloat about having #1, but you're all in for a treat next month; and I don't have FRTR yet so there's a tradeoff): 1: Sleater-Kinney: One Beat 2: Consonant: Consonant (long live MOB and all its progeny) 3: GBV: Universal Truths & Cycles 4: Paul Westerberg: Stereo/Mono (back to his senses, finally) 5: Mary Timony: The Golden Dove 6: Drive-By Truckers: Southern Rock Opera (first released last year and rereleased this year, so it counts) 7: The Damnations: Where It Leads (Austin TX's version of the Everly Sisters) 8: Brian Wilson: Pet Sounds Live 9: The Bonoffs: Crescent City (x-Drifters Susan Cowsill and Russ Broussard in a Cajun band) 10: Joey Ramone: Don't Worry About Me Most anticipated: The Soft Boys' "Nextdoorland" and the Throwing Muses reumion Fave reissue: First two Lovin' Spoonful albums w/extra trax Wish I liked more: ELvis Costello, Bob Mould (except the great moody opening track), and Wilco Still don't understand the appeal of: Weezer and Alanis Morissette. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:41:24 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ritual Secrets Revealed? >... it seems... that "Eleven" originally followed >rather than preceded "Deee-Pression"... is that right? No. Unless I've forgotten editing that, which is possible but (I hope) unlikely. Same with the various other segues: all live as far as I can recall. >who sequenced the CD Scott. >and >on what basis? You'd have to ask him. >Also, some nice editing: in the middle section of "Deee-Pression" from >this show, Scott muffs the first "right now" part, landing on too high a >note at first (as revealed on that soundboard tape). You may notice that >on FRTR, the first "right now" features first only then primarily Alison, >while the second one has both Scott and Alison singing. A little touching >up, nicely done. GEEK! I mean... good catch! There was very little "touching up" overall, though--in fact, this might be the only example that was done by editing rather than mixing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 17:57:58 -0400 From: Cyndy Patrick Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Bren or Brenda? (ns) We have a major disagreement here. I found it beautifully performed, nicely shot, well-written, and very successful at capturing the subtle mental shifts and adjustments humans go through in their attempts to make sense of life. glenn mcdonald wrote: > > Wondering what glenn thought of 13 CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ONE THING, > > Really wanted to like it, and really didn't. Thought it was ponderous, > charmless, poorly cast, nuancelessly written, drably shot, convolutedly > structured to no good end, depressing, insightless and dull. But at least it > had aspirations, I guess. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:42:32 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Bren or Brenda? (ns) It's my opinion that anything Cyndy *or* I like is worth seeing, and just doubly so when we agree. ----- Original Message ----- From: Cyndy Patrick To: glenn mcdonald Cc: Andrew Hamlin ; sleeveless@citynet.net ; loud-fans@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Bren or Brenda? (ns) We have a major disagreement here. I found it beautifully performed, nicely shot, well-written, and very successful at capturing the subtle mental shifts and adjustments humans go through in their attempts to make sense of life. glenn mcdonald wrote: > > Wondering what glenn thought of 13 CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ONE THING, > > Really wanted to like it, and really didn't. Thought it was ponderous, > charmless, poorly cast, nuancelessly written, drably shot, convolutedly > structured to no good end, depressing, insightless and dull. But at least it > had aspirations, I guess. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 15:54:16 -0700 From: Michael Zwirn Subject: [loud-fans] There are no Warhols worth shooting Just a note to art fans: The Los Angeles Museum of Contemporary Art (MOCA)'s current retrospective of Warhol works is impressive in its way - there are some wonderful sketches and other demonstrations of his skills as a draftsman and commercial artist, as well as the iconic Elvii and Marilyns and Maos - but somehow skimpy and absurdly expensive. Most offensively, there was little or no explication in text for all of the pieces; the description and commentary was reserved for the $5 audio tour, on top of the $17 museum admission. I was there Sunday, and heard an NPR piece just today. It's a big deal, and quite important in its way, but simultaneously a massive rip-off. Michael n.p. Buffalo Tom, A Sides Neil Finn and Friends, Seven Worlds Collide Loud Family, From Ritual to Romance - -------------------------------------- Michael J. Zwirn, Environmental Policy Analyst http://zwirn.com michael@zwirn.com Home: 503/232-8919 Cell: 503/887-9800 Fax: 503/232-0228 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:52:18 -0400 From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] Where are they now... (ns) The article itself is kind of a generic rockers v. dancers put-down, and I think that the author could have found a cleverer way to ask Moby to consult "Moby Dick" for drumming inspiration, but I'm still kind of interested to see what happened to the guy who used to wear a powdered wig while hanging out with semi-nude dominatrixes for his album photo sessions. The title is "No More Moby!! Why On Earth Is He So Popular?" and it's here: http://slate.msn.com/?id=2067716 Now I'm trying to figure out if Ted Widmer was Lord Rockingham, Lord Bendover, Duc D'Istortion, Jackie Kickassis, Count Bassie or the Marquis De Roque.... ...ah, Google to the rescue. So, it appears that Lord Rockingham, author of "Monarchy in the U.S.A." was writing speeches for the White House. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 19:28:00 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Bren or Brenda? (ns) John Swartzentruber wrote: > > Is anyone else annoyed by all of the chat notifications on this list? > It is an email list after all, and not a chat list. It is my understanding that the chat is part of the list community activities. If a listmember invites people to meet at an event, as sometimes happens, should he or she not be allowed to do so on the list, because it's an in-person event and not an email event? That would mean only people the host knows already will be there would be made to feel welcome. If listers want to chat but don't know a chat is planned or going on, should they just be left out in the cold? You may not be interested in the chats, but obviously some people are, and how are they to know about it if not through the list? > Before I get flamed: I'm not really complaining, and I know how to hit > delete. Sounds like complaining to me! Oh, and this is, after all, not a strictly on-topic list. There are many fewer chat related posts here than, say, movie or politics related posts. Are one or two chat notifications a week that big a deal in the grand scheme of things? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:54:18 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] where they complain about flare guns On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, John Swartzentruber wrote: > Is anyone else annoyed by all of the chat notifications on this list? > It is an email list after all, and not a chat list. Of course now I see > that each chat notification means that I won't get twenty messages > about the missed notification. Jen said most of what i was gonna say (yay Jen) but i want to emphasize that most of us'ns really *like* it when folks show up to chat who aren't just the usual suspects. not that i don't love the usual suspects -- but i'm always happy to get to know list-members (lurkers included) better. and if the announcements didn't go to the list in general, that'd never ever happen. we could put [chat] in the subject line or something, so y'uns could filter 'em out if you didn't want to see um. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:42:20 -0700 From: "me" Subject: [loud-fans] Gene Kan dies this is a real loss for the tech community. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020709/ap_on_hi_te/kan_p rofile_2 Tech Pioneer's Death Called Suicide Tue Jul 9, 7:48 PM ET By RON HARRIS, Associated Press Writer SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - A pioneer of the technology that took Internet file-sharing far beyond Napster ( news - web sites), Gene Kan became something of an unofficial spokesman for one of the hottest software developments to survive the Internet boom. On Tuesday, the 25-year-old Kan was mourned by colleagues after being found dead of what authorities said was an apparently self-inflicted gunshot wound. Sue Turner of the San Mateo County medical examiner's office said Kan's body was found July 2 at his home in Belmont, about 20 miles south of San Francisco. Turner said that the death would likely be ruled a suicide. A peer-to-peer network is one where each computer can share files and often peripheral devices with other computers. There is no central server that can interrupt communications between all of the peer computers on the network. The Gnutella ( news - web sites) protocol - a set of computer instructions for a peered network - was first posted on the Internet by Nullsoft, a software company owned by AOL Time Warner. Kan got his hands on a downloaded version of Gnutella and began, along with other developers, to fashion it into a user-friendly interface with various improvements on the performance of the software. Kan quickly became the outspoken, lead proponent for the further development of Gnutella-based applications. Gnutella came along as Shawn Fanning's Napster program became mired in lawsuits by the recording industry. Kan and a small clutch of developers honed the Gnutella protocol so that programmers around the world could make their own home-brewed computer applications - each speaking the same language and capable of pointing users to shared music, video and software files. The main difference between the Gnutella network and other file-sharing programs was a crucial one. Gnutella has no company to sue or central servers to shut down with a court injunction. "There is no head to the Gnutella dragon," Kan told The Associated Press in 2000. After that interview, Kan quickly became the ad hoc spokesman for Gnutella's development during file-swapping debates surrounding Napster. Kan acknowledged that some unauthorized files were being traded via the Gnutella network. "How users make use of it, I hate to say it's not our problem, but it really isn't," Kan said. The simple Gnutella protocol spawned a legion of file-sharing programs that remain popular today. The programs LimeWire, BearShare and Phex all make use of the Gnutella engine. "Gene was really good at communicating the technical merits of the peer-to-peer approach," said author and entrepreneur Cory Doctorow, who took part in many panel discussions with Kan. Doctorow said Kan's personality recently began to take on a tone of depression and described his colleague as "dour." In June 2000, Kan co-founded Burlingame-based InfraSearch Inc., a peer-to-peer search engine technology company. A statement released Monday by his employer, Sun Microsystems Inc., said Kan died as the result of an accident and that no further details of his death were being released at the request of his family. Sun spokeswoman Carrie Motamedi said Kan had been working on advanced computing projects for Sun. "Clearly everyone feels that we've lost a valued employee and trusted friend and colleague that we'll miss greatly," Motamedi said. - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 21:55:22 +0000 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: [loud-fans] Fountains of Wayne Today I went to Fountains of Wayne in Wayne, NJ, to buy a birdbath. I was tempted by some of the elaborate outdoor fountains with various cherubs and water bucket holding maidens, three tiered fountains and the like. There was also a nice selection of poured concrete gnomes, deer, dogs and angels. In the right setting that kind of stuff can be really fun. But I stuck to my guns and got what I went there for. Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 21:37:53 -0500 From: Bill Silvers Subject: [loud-fans] Ten for the first half As they occur to me: The Hives, VENI VIDI VICIOUS Roger Wallace, THE LOWDOWN Jim Lauderdale, THE HUMMINGBIRDS Brendan Benson, LAPALCO Tift Merritt, BRAMBLE ROSE Mike Ireland and Holler, TRY AGAIN DO THE POP - the Australian Garage Rock Sound 1976-87 (OK, it's a compilation, and of old music to boot, but so nice and well worth looking for) Tommy Womack, STUBBORN Grand Champeen, BATTLE CRY FOR HELP Christy McWilson, BED OF ROSES Incomplete Returns or could be listed above: Luna, Mooney Suzuki, Patty Griffin, Waxwings, Loud Family and a few others I can't remember right now. Reissue of the Year: stop the contest- The Blasters, TESTAMENT: THE COMPLETE SLASH RECORDINGS "Disappointment lurks" award: Wilco,YANKEE HOTEL FOXTROT and The Damnations, WHERE IT LANDS b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:34:55 EDT From: OptionsR@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ten for the first half In a message dated 07/09/2002 7:43:26 PM US Mountain Standard Time, wsilvers@earthlink.net writes: > DO THE POP - the Australian Garage Rock Sound 1976-87 (OK, it's a > compilation, and of old music to boot, but so nice and well worth looking > for) > Hey, is this different from the "Born Out Of Time" compilation that Raven just put out? ( www.ravenrecords.com.au ) I know I'd put that one on my 1/2-year list if I didn't exclude comps & reissues. And what's all this about a new Soft Boys album, then? I was born out of time...what's your excuse? Mike Bollman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 22:46:25 -0500 From: Bill Silvers Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ten for the first half Mike Bollman asks: >>DO THE POP - the Australian Garage Rock Sound 1976-87 (OK, it's a >>compilation, and of old music to boot, but so nice and well worth looking >>for) > > >Hey, is this different from the "Born Out Of Time" compilation that Raven >just put out? ( www.ravenrecords.com.au ) I know I'd put that one on my >1/2-year list if I didn't exclude comps & reissues. Yes, it is a different compilation (that one looks fine too, and there's not a tremendous overlap between the two). Here's a URL for this one: http://www.shock.com.au/releases/info.asp?release_ID=115371 I got mine through the US retailer Miles of Music, and I've always had good luck with Whammo for Australian releases. b.s. p.s. I mentioned Tommy Womack as one of my favorite records this year, but for some reason gave it the title of his last record. Oops. Tommy's new one is called CIRCUS TOWN. http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Alq1ibkh9aak0 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:44:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ten for the first half On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 OptionsR@aol.com wrote: > And what's all this about a new Soft Boys album, then? Tentatively titled _Nextdoorland_, due out on Matador in...Fall? I think www.matadorrecords.com has more details. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::No man is an island. ::But if you take a bunch of dead guys and tie 'em together, ::they make a pretty good raft. __Max Cannon__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:20:12 -0400 From: "Brett Milano" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] RE: 1/2 year report Makes a record that good and he can't afford his own place? Life is cruel. ] OMG! My friend and former bandmate Wyatt Morris, who lives in Athens, is roommates with frontman Patterson Hood of the DBTs! It's all connected. 6 degrees of Virginia Cured bacon, or something like that. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:17:47 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: 1/2 year report In a message dated 7/9/02 4:50:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, muso@mindspring.com writes: > 6: Drive-By Truckers: Southern Rock Opera (first released last year and > rereleased this year, so it counts) > OMG! My friend and former bandmate Wyatt Morris, who lives in Athens, is roommates with frontman Patterson Hood of the DBTs! It's all connected. 6 degrees of Virginia Cured bacon, or something like that. While it's on me tiny mind, if you've caught the Possibilities by chance on that Parasol Sweet 16 Sampler, that version of the single "Invisible" from the band's Parasol lp "Way Out" was released first on Wyatt's Feed and Seed records, on yummy red vinyl! (attention Larry) Yours for peanuts. E-mail Wyatt at Wyattmorris@hotmail.com to see about getting a copy if you're interested. Our country was built on shameless plugs, - -Mark Staples Also, what's this about a new Moz release? np death by chocolate "zap the world" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:45:30 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] maybe this has been done...thread idea A thread idea came to mind today, while listening to CCR (yes, really...I'm not COMPLETELY sugar coated). What songs have you envisioned other artists covering, that you thought they would do great, but haven't done? I thought "Who'll Stop the Rain" would be interesting if covered by Mitch Easter, maybe by Let's Active, in their first incarnation. Perhaps the lyrics are a bit too much, but the chord progressions and the bridge in that song...I think it would work. Also, I've imagined Scott doing "Scarborough Fair/Canticle" acoustically. Has he ever done that and I just don't know? I know he did "America." Anyone else? - -Mark Staples ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:28:27 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Half-year lists? I've got a tie for first-LF FRTR, Nerissa & Katryna Nields Love And China 2 Alanis Morrsette Under Rug Swept 3Wilco YHF 4 Caitlin Cary While You Weren't Looking 5 Norah Jones Come Away With Me 6 Louise Goffen Sometimes A Circle 7 Sheryl Crow C'mon C'mon 8 Bonnie Raitt Silver Lining 9 Heather Nova Siren 10 Things Here Sound Different (fan tribute to Jill Sobule, I wrote some of the liner notes, if you want more info, as it's a benefit album, contact me off list). Could scramble things Aimee Mann, Juliana Hatfield, Tift Merrit, Ennis Sisters, and Liz Phair, but she's not likely to show up. Andrea ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #239 *******************************