From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #236 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Sunday, July 7 2002 Volume 02 : Number 236 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] If you talk about them, they will come ["glenn mcdonald" ] Re: [loud-fans] movies: Daily News [Boyof100lists@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] more movie talk ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] movies: Daily News [Boyof100lists@aol.com] [loud-fans] minidisc storage (ns) [Dana Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] courtesy of the murmurs.com (including typos) [Dana Paoli] [loud-fans] Oh, rats. ["Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] thank you for playing [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Murray Street (again) [Dave Walker ] Re: [loud-fans] more movie talk [Michael Mitton ] [loud-fans] one of our favorite topics... [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 03:31:37 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: [loud-fans] If you talk about them, they will come Aaron, Cyndy, Amy, doug and I had just sat down for a LoudFans dinner, this evening, when into the same random Cambridge restaurant walked Zach Smith. I'd like to think that he was summoned by our collective will, but it appeared that he'd actually just come to eat. Hard to say which was cuter, Zach walking around holding his incredibly tiny baby, or the eyes either tatooed or drawn on the back of his head... glenn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 03:37:11 -0400 From: Richard Gagnon Subject: [loud-fans] Y tu, Brutus Jer wrote: And since someone else mentioned it recently, I agree that Y TU MAMA TAMBIEN is a must-see. Easily my favorite 2002 film so far. Man, I just don't see it. I found it so...minor. To make myself feel better about Mexican cinema, I saw Desperado (yes, for the first time) and was very, very impressed, regardless of budget. But Y Tu...I just found pointless. Jer, who hated THE MATRIX and FIGHT CLUB and didn't think all that much of CROUCHING TIGER, HIDDEN DRAGON either. Same here. I knew The Matrix wasn't for me when I found myself, during the bank slo-mo shootout, consciously bored rather than giving a standing ovation and naming my first-born Neo...then I saw, not long after, Existenz, and knew that my problem wasn't with the topic, it was with the script. Watched THE LIMEY again tonight. Gets better every time. - -- "A thought raced through my mind like a nasty little rodent. I wondered what she would look like with a beard". ******Ross Macdonald, "The Name is Archer"****** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:13:13 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] movies: Daily News In a message dated 7/5/02 2:44:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, glarbleflarb@earthlink.net writes: > You can enjoy part of her in a big summer movie that just opened: she is > the voice of Buttercup in "The Powerpuff Girls Movie". Needless to say, > she > also plays that role on the TV show as well. After a few roles in the 80's > in which you could see all of her ("Pee-Wee's Big Adventure" -- yay! > "Streets Of Fire" -- boo!), she became a voice-over artist, and has worked > steadily providing voices for cartoons like "Duckman" and "Rugrats". She > was also the voice of Babe the pig, but only in the sequel. She is now > usually billed as E. G. Daily. > > Well, I haven't had cable television for fifteen years, so I haven't ever seen "Powerpuff." The reviews I've read were not good for the movie. I did see her in "Pee-Wee's Big Adventure" years ago, though Morgan Fairchild annoys me, in whatever she may appear in. Never saw "Streets." I don't even remember that one...never seen the other modern cartoons mentioned either (though I do own copies of Pinky and the Brain and Ren and Stimpy on VHS), but I DID see the first "Babe" movie, so I missed her there. I don't see a lot of TV or movies anymore, but when I do find something I like, I adore it. I've seen "Ghost World" now about 10 times, as I've fallen hopelessly for Enid (I finally sprung for the DVD). I saw the movie version of About a Boy and thought it was fabulous. I think it follows the book well. I think I'm going to pass on "Fight Club." "Father, Mirror, Father"... - -Mark Staples, who now has to come up with cash for not only the reissues of his two fave Costello albums mid-month, but now has to cough up money for Go-Betweens reissues . If you're like me, you'll want an album and it will eat away at your brain until you get it in your grubby little hands. No amount of medication can stop that for me...lol. "Spring Rain" is I think the best song they ever did. I played that in the car about a dozen times over last week *** I saw Paul Reubens (sp?) in a movie with Janeane Garofalo recently. They were superheroes. What was the name of that? I thought that was hilarious. np Dar Williams "The Green World" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 08:18:49 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] more movie talk >Andy added: >? I highly encourage all to see THE DANGEROUS LIVES OF ALTAR BOYS > >I second this, or at least one-and-a-halfth it. The missing half is >because I couldn't totally shake the idea that it's Jody Foster's >_Donnie Darko_, and it just isn't in the same league. Interesting, because the common link between the two films is...anyone, anyone? Hint: four feet, eleven inches, Andy "...though I've always thought there should be a special receptacle exclusively for the New York Post..." - --from an NPR commentary on New York City's recently-suspended recycling program ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:22:58 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] movies: Daily News In a message dated 7/6/02 11:13:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Boyof100lists writes: > *** I saw Paul Reubens (sp?) in a movie with Janeane Garofalo recently. > They were superheroes. What was the name of that? I thought that was > hilarious. > > Nevermind. I'll look it up meself! *ss kickin' self-empowerment - -Mark Staples ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:47:24 -0400 From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] minidisc storage (ns) Just thought that some of the minidisc users out there might be interested in knowing about a tip from minidisc.org that I finally put into service. Old wooden cream cheese boxes (available on eBay for about $5) fit minidiscs perfectly, and look nice in a Martha Stewart sort of a way. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:35:54 -0400 From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] courtesy of the murmurs.com (including typos) > The story of Wilcos Ynakee Hotel Foxtrot is practical industry > legend: > Last year, Reprise, a division of Warner Bros. dropped the band > when > it determined Yankee wasnt commercial enough, only to have > Warner > subsidiary Nonesuch sign Wilco and release the CD to raves and > big > sales. So youd think no one would make that mistake again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hasn't anyone been clever enough to start a conspiracy theory revolving around the idea that Wilco are being sabotaged by the forces behind the Conet Project broadcasts? I'm just waiting for the members of Wilco to disappear entirely. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 08:59:17 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] Oh, rats. It started again. Freezes, crashes, shutdowns, slowdowns, non-loads. Whatever. I've got Ad-Aware on board; it is prudent to simply delete everything it identifies? Among other things, I don't exactly need Comet Cursor... Any additional advice appreciated; again, offlist, unless you think it may have general interest. Not yet written a tailor-made speech to put through the wires, Andy "Unfortunately, some classic Muppets have been canned over the years for interesting reasons. Don Music, the piano player who would bang his head against the piano in frustration, had to be discontinued when kids at home started doing the same..." - --from the "trivia" section for "Sesame Street" at the Internet Movie Database ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 15:10:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] thank you for playing All the old versions of the Go-Betweens CDs have been claimed. I smell collusion...three responses, three CDs. Gotta reprogram these bots... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 18:28:32 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: [loud-fans] another music industry article The article called the "Internet Debacle" might be of interest to some of you. http://www.janisian.com/articles.html Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 18:29:31 -0400 From: "jer fairall" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] more movie talk > Donnie Darko I didn't think this played in theaters this year, so I was counting it as a 2001 release, even though I didn't see it until this year on video. Either way, it's my favorite movie since HIGH FIDELITY and I highly recommend fans of the film get the DVD and watch the deleted scenes which I thought added quite a bit to the film. > No Such Thing A big Hal Hartley fan here, but it never hit Windsor theaters. Luckily, it's out on video/DVD this week. > What Time Is It There? What's this? Jer Will antibiotics work in 20 years? End the misuse of Antibiotics: http://www.care2.com/go/z/1425 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 20:54:40 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: [loud-fans] Murray Street (again) I don't think anyone mentioned, when this album came up on the list a few weeks ago, all the nice stuff on the (enhanced) CD. There's a nice screensaver (a minute of pretty frenetic high-contrast black & white of Sonic Youth being Sonic Youth, onstage, accompanied by groovy Sonicness), along with a link to some stuff on their website, including a three-track SYR-esque MP3 EP and some videos and wallpaper and stuff (including some photos of Jim O'Rourke looking very much unlike the way I'd pictured him.) All in all, the "bonus goodies on CD" approach seems like a much better response to filesharing than than Hillary Rosen's attack-lawyer strategy. - -- Dave Walker freeform radio and live, nude fish at: http://www.freeke.org/ffg feed: http://www.freeke.org/ffg.rss ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 23:23:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] more movie talk Sayeth Jer: > And since someone else mentioned it recently, I agree that Y TU MAMA TAMBIEN is a > must-see. Easily my favorite 2002 film so far. I saw it a couple days ago for the third time, and while I don't include the word 'easily' it is my favorite so far. (Italian for Beginners was also great.) I highly recommend seeing it more than once, since there's a lot of subtlety in the dialogue that doesn't come out until you know the end. I certainly can't agree with calling it minor. I thought it was very insightful at showing latent homosexuality and how it gets expressed or repressed by latin machismo. There were a hundred wonderful things sitting just to the side of the main plot lines that simply rounds out the whole world they live in (e.g., the little diversion about the car crash, or Tenoch's nanny's hometown, or when the nanny wipes off the phone before handing it to Tenoch). And Luisa was certainly the most interesting, developed character I've seen this year. - --Michael Tour de France Prologue Results: 1. Lance Armstrong -- 9:08 2. Laurent Jalabert-- at :02 3. Ruams Raimondas -- at :03 16. Tyler Hamilton -- at :16 18. Levi Leipheimer -- at :16 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 23:45:31 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] more movie talk > > What Time Is It There? > What's this? New movie by the great Taiwanese director Tsai Ming-Liang, which comes out on DVD August 20th. His earlier movie _Vive L'Amour_ (Taiwanese, don't let the French title throw you) is out on DVD here already, and has similar virtues. People doggedly going about their fractured lives in Taipei. Lots of very long shots of nothing much happening. Not much plot, very little acting, little dialog and almost no music. And magnificent. Perhaps Cyndy will be persuaded to add her perspective? http://www.what-time-movie.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 22:50:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] one of our favorite topics... http://atst.nso.edu/library/perception/images/dancing_bug.gif ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 23:12:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] late as usual... Finally saw _Minority Report_ earlier this evening. Overall, I liked it - but the first half was fairly weak, and just as I had suspected, I found myself wishing someone other than Spielberg and Cruise had been involved in the movie. Spielberg just can't resist giving in to his inner thirteen-year-old - the cooked burgers were pretty lame, if ignorable - but the moldy food & drink scene was stupid: what, did Cruise's character also completely lack any sense of smell as a result of the operation? Also, there were one or two scenes in which Vole Boy was asked to look as if he's thinking: this is, clearly, something with which he has no direct familiarity, as he's obviously a dimbulb in real life (he's a Scientologist, and he divorced Nicole Kidman), and the scenes were deeply unconvincing. Also, the chase scenes early on were just uninteresting (again, the jetpack thingy - note to SF filmmakers: jetpacks are inherently idiotic, first because you need asbestos ass in order for them to work, but just consider all the liability issues. Surely, someone's gonna get hurt, and often) - and implausible. Right, Cruise's character is able to single-handedly get away from all these trained professionals... Minor point, again due to needing eye candy: you'd think the precrime folks would find a more discreet way to arrive than in huge honking ships and crashing en masse through skylights... However, the second half, when the plot finally got going, worked quite well - I liked the change in smarmy FBI guy's character (more like rotating & seeing another facet than "change") and the way the movie's "choice" issues ended up working both re arrests for uncommitted crimes and the precogs themselves. I also thought that, for once, completely egregious product placement made lots of sense. I think one of the movie's subtler points re choice is the way being marketed at, by name, 24/7, is apt to blind one to who one might become in favor of least-resistant paths grooved by marketing - and that it's in its own way an unethical limitation of choice. I also liked the whole thematics around submersion, scissors, and eyes... Oh, okay, I'll admit it: watching Cruise chase his own eyeballs down a hallway was a good giggle. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::No man is an island. ::But if you take a bunch of dead guys and tie 'em together, ::they make a pretty good raft. __Max Cannon__ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 01:39:04 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] "Recorded in England" My best buddy let me borrow his Sweet records (unfortunately, he only had 45s, but they are mint Capitol singles with their original sleeves, and, even though Scott doesn't want them whispering in his ear, I always respected Capitol's record quality. The 45's were pressed with the same quality as LPs. I love how Capitol always put "Recorded in England" on their records. I've listened to all three singles "Ballroom Blitz"/"Restless" from the 1973 album, "Desolation Boulevard," "Action/"Medusa" from "Give Us A Wink" from 1976, and "Love Is Like Oxygen"/"Cover Girl" from the album "Level Headed" from 1978, and that one stands out as the best. It's good in that melancholy ELO/Queen kind of way, so that is the Sweet record I'm going to look for. Good Stuff. Thanks guys. - -Mark Staples np Jars of Clay "Eleventh Hour" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 01:53:33 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] stay far away I had time to kill this afternoon so I went to see a matinee. All this talk of movies made me think I'd like the air conditioned, $4.00 Coke experience. I went to see Mr. Deeds, and it was just awful. I left halfway through, if that. I just couldn't take it anymore. Bye-bye $5.50. I'm glad I was alone so I could make an escape with no apologies. Since when did Winona Ryder have breasts? I liked her better as a waif. - -Mark Staples ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 02:11:10 EDT From: Boyof100lists@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Re: correction In a message dated 7/7/02 1:39:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Boyof100lists writes: > np Jars of Clay "Eleventh Hour" I'm sorry (it's 2 am). It's "The Eleventh Hour." Nitey-nite. - -Mark Staples ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 02:04:59 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "Recorded in England" Mark: >My best buddy let me borrow his Sweet records (unfortunately, he only had >45s, but they are mint Capitol singles with their original sleeves, and, even >though Scott doesn't want them whispering in his ear, I always respected >Capitol's record quality. The 45's were pressed with the same quality as >LPs. Unfortunately!? Oh! I beg to differ, sorta. Capitol LPs range wildly in pressing quality (white album and most of the Fabs' LPs are atrocities, but I have some early Beach Boys LPs that capture an almost magical depth that CD is yet to approach) but Capitol 45s almost always sizzle. You struck gold, solid gold, mon frere. I could not think of a better way to discover the Sweet. >I've listened to all three singles "Ballroom Blitz"/"Restless" from the 1973 >album, "Desolation Boulevard," "Action/"Medusa" from "Give Us A Wink" from >1976, and "Love Is Like Oxygen"/"Cover Girl" from the album "Level Headed" >from 1978, and that one stands out as the best. It's good in that melancholy >ELO/Queen kind of way, so that is the Sweet record I'm going to look for. Oh, my. You still haven't heard "Fox On the Run" and "Little Willy"? The Sweet are The Greatest, Ever. OK, you know what I mean. Can't push Willy 'round. Willy won't go. JS ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 02:15:08 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "Recorded in England" the album "Level Headed" >from 1978, and that one stands out as the best. P.S. Dude, DESOLATION BOULEVARD. DESOLATION BOULEVARD. Or, THE BEST OF SWEET, if you must. Dude. JS ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 02:30:41 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] stay far away >Since when did Winona Ryder have breasts? I liked her better as a waif. You just haven't been paying attention. Unlike a lot of Hollywood lead actresses (that's right, Helen Hunt and Sandra Bullock, we know) the big W has always been....uhh....The Big W. As it were. Speaking of movies, saw MIB II. Not as bad as the reviews would have it. I liked how all the blooper takes seemed to have been kept in the actual film. I had great expectations for LOVELY & AMAZING (loved WALKING AND TALKING, speaking of movies we own that most people probably don't), but I think it suffered from Neil LaBute "I hate all these people!" syndrome. But my friends loved it, so there you are. Keener still rules. Wig-wam wham, JS ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 02:35:18 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: [loud-fans] Moment of silence... John Frankenheimer (_Manchurian Candidate_, _Birdman of Alcatraz_, _Ronin_, etc.) passes away at 72: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/obituaries/AP-Obit- Frankenheimer.html?ex=1026619200&en=46121984adb7dffc&ei=5040&partner=MOREOVER - -- Dave Walker freeform radio and live, nude fish at: http://www.freeke.org/ffg ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #236 *******************************