From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #224 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, June 26 2002 Volume 02 : Number 224 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] What time is it? [timv@triad.rr.com] Re: [loud-fans] tk etc [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] tk etc [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] tk etc [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] tk etc [Stewart Mason ] [loud-fans] RE: tk etc ["Brett Milano" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:31:15 -0400 From: timv@triad.rr.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] What time is it? On 25 Jun 2002, at 21:54, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 timv@triad.rr.com wrote: > > > However, for the past 2.5 years I've held that there's no need > > during this decade to include the leading '0' in the two-digit year, > > if it can be omitted from the month or day. I'm a "6/25/2" guy > > myself. > > > > (...though mainly in my check register and for dating personal > > notes. I've tried not to impose that on others, unless they know > > me very well.) > > I have a cow-orker who insists on this - and it drives me bats. Sorry, but > "6/25/2" just doesn't *look* like a date to me - it looks like some other > kind of number. Write it that way for a week or two and it *will* look a date to you. Trust me. Not that I'm saying that you have to of course, but that was exactly my point. It's a convention and we can get used to just about anything. Arguments from function are barking up the wrong tree IMHO. Like driving on the left versus the right, what usually matters is everyone doing it the same way. Every society is full of little conventions like this, and we're fabulously adept at recognizing "our way" versus "their way." And it isn't something one has to learn. No one's more insistent on things being done "the right way" than a three-year-old. But yeah, that's why I only do it in places like my check register and personal notes. Anyone snooping around in that stuff deserves to be confused--or much worse. > * and because we're on a grid, that "3" in "320" is also redundant...so > "53207-3965-20" would work - given a sufficiently intelligent mail > carrier, anyway. In fact, the IRS *is* using a few more digits after the > ZIP+4 standard - I think three. In most cases, that's enough to direct > mail individually to, say, our bedroom, our living room, or our basement. Funny, I tried this on a letter to a friend when I was in college just after zip+4 appeared. It was returned as undeliverable although it was correct, and perfectly legible when it came back to me. So apparently the post office didn't know what to do with those extra digits either. So much for redundancy... Tim Victor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:33:12 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] tk etc At 07:06 PM 6/25/2002 -0700, Andrew Hamlin wrote: >So, anybody heard the new Bowie, the new Bryan Ferry, Norah Jones, Rush, DJ >Shadow, Cassandra Wilson, the Laurie Anderson live set? Opinions? I wouldn't have thought this would appeal to me, but I got the Norah Jones after I heard a couple tracks in the store and I really like it. (The $8.99 sticker price appealed as well.) I had figured it would be more Alicia Keys--good pipes, half-assed songwriting, crap production--than it is: the production is mostly quite good (I'd like it better if it were a little sparser, but it's not sequenced to death), the songwriting's higher quality and I expected, and she's really got a terrific voice. I wouldn't call it a timeless classic, but it does show up in the changer fairly regularly. >Still waiting for a 2002 release to conclusively light my fire. So far it's the Bevis Frond's WHAT DID FOR THE DINOSAURS for me, which has not one, not two but THREE all-time Nick Saloman classics, a few more only slightly less brilliant and my favorite so far of his 15-minute jams. Sarah Records fans might dig Tender Trap's FILM MOLECULES (basically Heavenly/Marine Research minus Peter, whose day job as the philosophy editor at Oxford University Press is taking too much of his time, and Cathy, who's too busy hosting the cable show Junkyard Wars, which she also created and executive produces) or Sportique's MODERN MUSEUMS (the Razorcuts' Gregory Webster channeling PINK FLAG and SINGLES GOING STEADY). Also digging Death By Chocolate's ZAP THE WORLD, the Doleful Lions' OUT LIKE A LAMB, Dave Kilgour's A FEATHER IN THE ENGINE and Eric Lichter's PALM WINE SUNDAY BLUE, off the top of my head. S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:36:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] tk etc On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Dana Paoli wrote (twice, to me - I must be a favorite or something): > You might want to try a few more listens. I'm enjoying it a whole heck > of a lot more than that single-grafted-onto-a-bunch-of-crap called "Last > Splash." Fans of "Last Splash" might want to ignore me on this one. Hell no! > np: The new Sonic Youth album, on which they are punished for their sins > by having their feedback taken away. I heard a few tracks on this, and actually liked them. I'm wary, though...their last few albums have all followed the same path for me: hear a song on the radio, like it, check out the album, which never quite grows on me, gradually stop listening to album, pull it out periodically to see if it's magically transformed into something cool, discover it hasn't, lather, rinse, repeat. I wear a size 10 1/2 shoe, my favorite color is Pantone 16-4114, my favorite Marx Brother is Chico, and my favorite Sonic Youth albums are those in the run from _EVOL_ through _Goo_...so should I get the new one, or decide it's time to let Thurston & Co. into the reliquary? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:41:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] tk etc On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Stewart Mason wrote: > Also digging Death By Chocolate's ZAP THE WORLD Now this for me is a prime example of playing out a trend well past the length it should go. First, it bugs me that about half the tracks here are recycled (okay, it helps that I didn't actually buy it) - but the whole shtick is wearing thin for me. When the first "Jet Set" compilation came out (confusingly, or appropriately, released in the US on Jetset Records), it was a nice little change of pace. But however amusing *covering* an Electric Prunes ad for a fuzzbox might be in theory (subbing in their band name and changing it to a wah-wah pedal - or vice versa), it's a lot less compelling to hear. Oh: I've heard (surprisingly) almost nothing but good things about Bowie's _Heathen_, but haven't heard a note of it yet. Everybody's releasing CDs, and I can't afford to buy anything right now. Time to harangue my editors...(or not: I've got a giant box full o' crap that I haven't had a chance to listen to yet...) - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach":: __William Gass__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:55:08 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] tk etc At 10:41 PM 6/25/2002 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >When the first "Jet Set" compilation came out (confusingly, or >appropriately, released in the US on Jetset Records), it was a nice little >change of pace. But however amusing *covering* an Electric Prunes ad for a >fuzzbox might be in theory (subbing in their band name and changing it to >a wah-wah pedal - or vice versa), it's a lot less compelling to hear. No, the Prunes' commercial was also for a wah-wah pedal. (I've got it somewhere on one of those Pebbles comps.) I dunno, I thought the utter and unashamed record-store-brat geekiness of that piece was what tipped the album into the Win column for me. I admit, however, that it undoubtedly helps that I only ever heard one of the Jet Set series, and I hadn't heard the first DbC album yet when I first heard this. It's certainly not for all tastes, and I acknowledge that the whole thing is Too Goddamn Precious By Half, but that's kinda what I like about it. S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:04:55 -0400 From: "Brett Milano" Subject: [loud-fans] RE: tk etc GBV: Best since "Under the Bushes" in my mind....Kinda restores the interesting quirks they had before the personnel changes, and retains the arena-rockin' side they've picked up since then. Tommy Keene: I agree that you don't need every album (no reason not to have 'em though), but this is one of the better ones...the theme of surviving loss makes it pretty resonant for me. VF Reish: I'll spring for it if they do "Hallowed Ground," which I always liked a lot better. Breeders: half assed. After the Amps record and the five-year break, really needed to be better. ..And I don't get loads of desirable promos, but... Sleater-Kinney: Genius. Dark, powerful, sexy, political, rocks like hell. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #224 *******************************