From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #223 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, June 25 2002 Volume 02 : Number 223 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] More evil actions from the record companies [jenny grover] Re: [loud-fans] commercials ["Francis J H Park" ] Re: [loud-fans] commercials ["O Geier" ] RE: [loud-fans] Scott is a big star, underneath the crystal moon (ns) ["] Re: [loud-fans] book shtuff [Dan Schmidt ] Re: [loud-fans] Scott is a big star, underneath the crystal moon (ns) [d] RE: [loud-fans] Scott is a big star, underneath the crystal moon (ns) [John Cooper ] [loud-fans] tk etc [dmw ] [loud-fans] OB-12! ["Keegstra, Russell" ] [loud-fans] Come enjoy an amusingly carefree experience [Sue Trowbridge <] [loud-fans] What time is it? ["Larry Tucker" ] RE: [loud-fans] What time is it? ["Larry Tucker" ] [loud-fans] NYC (and evirons) Loud Listers - Need something to do? ["Bren] Re: [loud-fans] What time is it? [Tim_Walters@digidesign.com] Re: [loud-fans] What time is it? [Dan Schmidt ] [loud-fans] Surrealist Compliment Generator [Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.co] Re: [loud-fans] Surrealist Compliment Generator ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] NYC (and evirons) Loud Listers - Need something to do? [D] Re: [loud-fans] tk etc [Dana Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] tk etc [Dana Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] tk etc [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] OB-12! [Tim_Walters@digidesign.com] [loud-fans] DFD 11 breaking news [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] DFD 11 breaking news [Tim_Walters@digidesign.com] Re: [loud-fans] live n' loud [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] tk etc ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] What time is it? [timv@triad.rr.com] Re: [loud-fans] tk etc [Carolyn Dorsey ] Re: [loud-fans] What time is it? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] More evil actions from the record companies Sue Trowbridge wrote: > > $19 for a CD isn't too much when you consider that it costs around $18 for > two people to take in a movie these days Which really is ridiculous, and is one big reason I don't go to theatres. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:09:01 -0400 From: "Francis J H Park" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] commercials Carolyn Dorsey notes: | In my opinion the worst commercial on television now is The 2 Yoplait girls | in an expensive trendy loft, talking about how good the the yogurt is. | "First kiss good, etc." Horrible. Is it just me, or is one of those people in that commercial Leisha Hailey from the Murmurs? I thought one of them looked eerily familiar. Francis J. H. Park http://home.sprintmail.com/~durandal - -- The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 12:13:02 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] commercials <> Everybody seems to be making an Orange Cleaner now. The stuff works so well on my vinyl outdoor furniture that I'm beginning to believe it can't be biodegradeable. I find myself caught up in the Ron Popeil Showtime barbeque "set it and forget it". The food looks so damned good. Although I'm not the least bit balding, I watch the hair transplant spots too. Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:43:38 -0500 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Scott is a big star, underneath the crystal moon (ns) Dana relates a comp CD: >The track listing: >... >NGC-4594: "Going Home" And I thought I was the only one geeky enough to name a band after a deep sky object. np: Loud Family, From Ritual to Romance -- get your own! ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 2002 09:48:23 -0400 From: Dan Schmidt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] book shtuff "me" writes: | also, i'm a few chapters into Lord of the Barnyard by Tristan Egolf, | and am so far pretty intrigued. anyone else picked it up? Here is what I see in my book diary from a couple years back: A strangely mesmerizing tale of a nutso white trash kid with a horrible life who flips out. That makes it sound really depressing, but the story is told so exuberantly that the whole thing becomes a sort of macabre celebration. And there's not a single line of dialogue in the whole novel. Not a book that I would have picked up if I knew just what I was getting into, but in the end I did enjoy it. Dan - -- http://www.dfan.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:46:54 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Scott is a big star, underneath the crystal moon (ns) On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > Record/Radio City two-fer. The nicest part is that the article mentions > > all the bands who have been influenced by Big Star. They mention, with > > links, Thin Lizzy, Cheap Trick, R.E.M., the DBs, Wilco, Red House > > Painters, Weezer and Sloan. Hmmm, I can't really think of anyone else > > either... > > Wasn't there some band in the eighties named after some math thing or > other? I think they were called "A Beautiful Theory" or "Mind Game" or > something. Someone told me they were influenced by Big Star. Or maybe it > was "influenced by Stig's Bar." you must be thinking of the replacements, who had a minor hit with "alex chilton" ... but i think it's a bit of a stretch to think of "replacements" as a "math thing" ... it's not like they were called the "variables." - -- d., wondering how all these folks' oranges got so dirty to start with np gloria deluxe _hooker_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 07:59:05 -0700 From: John Cooper Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Scott is a big star, underneath the crystal moon (ns) On 6/25/02, Keegstra, Russell wrote: >Dana relates a comp CD: >>The track listing: >>... > >NGC-4594: "Going Home" > >And I thought I was the only one geeky enough to name a band >after a deep sky object. Does this band have a Latin-American flavor? That's the Sombrero Galaxy (also known as M104). John P.S. What was your band's name, Russell? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:46:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Scott is a big star, underneath the crystal moon (ns) On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Dana Paoli wrote: > CDNOW spotlights an album a day, and today's choice is the #1 > Record/Radio City two-fer. The nicest part is that the article mentions > all the bands who have been influenced by Big Star. They mention, with > links, Thin Lizzy, Cheap Trick, R.E.M., the DBs, Wilco, Red House > Painters, Weezer and Sloan. Hmmm, I can't really think of anyone else > either... It's pretty unlikely that CDNOW would spotlight the Loud Family or Game Theory in any way, considering that their entire back catalogs are now unavailable through regular distribution channels. Go ahead, search on "Loud Family" on CDNOW -- you'll come up blank. - --Sue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:40:09 +0100 From: "richblath" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] spasms of fanaticism - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" > Anyhoo, in order to make this slightly more interesting than a random > entry from someone's musical diary, I'm wondering: is that sort of wax and > wane typical of how you listen to music? Or do you mix and match all the > time, retain steady fandom and listen to a particular act very frequently > for years, etc.? > > --Jeff Whenever I 'discover' a band I generally have an initial burst of having to get as much of their stuff as possible. The speed of this depends on the degree of the initial impact - big impact -> I've got to get all their albums by yesterday. But that is pretty much a rarity. After that I can go months without listening to some of my favourite bands before I meet up with a song of theirs unexpectedly - the AutoDJ function on MusicMatch Jukebox is handy for that! I have recently taken to having deliberately slow months in terms of buying new music in order to force myself to reexamine some that I'm sure that I've overlooked recently, be they recent purchases that I've not got heavily into, or older 'classics'. A slight aside; I have noticed that several of my recent purchases, being reissues of punk/new wave albums that I owned 20+ years ago are obviously albums I listened to obsessively in my youth, as, even after not hearing them for so long, I can still join in with most of the lyrics. Well, OK that doesn't really apply to the Skids, but I do remember some of the interpretations that I came up with then! Richard np Mayflies USA/Sloan/dB's/Death Cab/American Hi-fi compilation - MM Jukebox strikes again! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:25:10 -0500 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Scott is a big star, underneath the crystal moo n (ns) Mr. Cooper: >>>NGC-4594: "Going Home" >> >>And I thought I was the only one geeky enough to name a band >>after a deep sky object. > >Does this band have a Latin-American flavor? That's the >Sombrero Galaxy (also known as M104). > >P.S. What was your band's name, Russell? Not an actual name, just an entry on a list of possibles, that also included such other geeky things as "glitch", "zener breakdown", and "The Quantum Tunnelers". Not even a specific name, I just randomly grabbed a new general catalog object, although I would have used something a little more obscure than a Messier object. Not only that, but there was also never really any band to speak of... Russ still playing: Loud Family, FRTR, or at least was just played in the car to and from the dentist. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:30:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] live n' loud On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, dc wrote: > i take back every disparaging comment i've ever made about the post > office, at least as it connects San Francisco with Seattle. And with Boston! I wasn't expecting to see mine so soon after the message from Sue saying it was in the mail. It's very good. I really can't guess how much it would appeal to a casual fan (does Scott have any?) but it seems to me like it *could* -- it's a very nice recording. Also perhaps the most striking cover art of the LF's career, the back cover in particular. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:35:25 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] tk etc gbv: thumbs up, pretty much all the way. i even like one of the slow songs a bunch (the one about ghosts) tommy keene: i'm not a guy who thinks you need *all* of keene's records; i find 'em somewhat interchangable, apart from the high points. this one sound spretty good though. wilco completists take note: jay bennett content. breeders: engagingly half-assed. vf reish: demos remarkably close, performance-wise, to final product; interesting to learn that first-album-era tunes were being mined as last as "birds sing"; the live stuff is probably worth the price of admission. i mean, if you basically like the schtick. and you? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:12:36 -0500 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: [loud-fans] OB-12! Hey, almost totally off any subject whatsoever, does anybody here have any experience with the Oberheim OB-12? Tim? Musician's Friend is selling them for $600 (regularly $1500). I know Tom Oberheim is long since gone from the company that bears his name, but still. $600. Russ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:18:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: [loud-fans] Come enjoy an amusingly carefree experience What: The SF Bay Area Loud-Fans Picnic When: Sunday, July 28, 2002 (time TBA) Where: Renee's Place on Solano Ave., Albany What else to do that weekend: Friday, July 26 -- 125 Records release party at the Starry Plough, Berkeley, featuring Belle Da Gama & Jill Olson Who's coming: So far, Roger Winston, Joe & me. RSVP: E-mail me, and I'll put you on a list to receive updates as events warrant. You may notice that Renee's Place is actually a Chinese restaurant and as such, an untraditional place for a "picnic." But look at it this way -- you won't need to make sandwiches or worry about ants, wind or sunburn! And check out the SECOND definition from Merriam-Webster: 'pik-(")nik 1 : an excursion or outing with food usually provided by members of the group and eaten in the open; also : the food provided for a picnic 2 : a pleasant or amusingly carefree experience - --Sue ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:23:26 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] What time is it? Is there a convention for indicating dates? When using slashes it seems pretty customary to do mm/dd/yy . I like using dots as in mm.dd.yy and I use a 0 in front of a single digit day, but not month. I like the way this looks, but it seems to be more conventional from my experience with Europeans that it's dd/mm/yy. Have I broken a law? Is this sort of a metric thing? - -Larry np: Glory Fountain - The Beauty of 23 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:31:25 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] What time is it? On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Larry Tucker wrote: > Is there a convention for indicating dates? > > When using slashes it seems pretty customary to do mm/dd/yy . I like > using dots as in mm.dd.yy and I use a 0 in front of a single digit day, > but not month. I like the way this looks, but it seems to be more > conventional from my experience with Europeans that it's dd/mm/yy. > > Have I broken a law? Is this sort of a metric thing? didn't we just hassle this? i still think that an order that doesn't go from most to least significant order information is fundamentally illogical, and should not be perpetuated. but i'm a lone voice in the wilderness, or something. - -- d. np pere ubu _st. arkansas_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:35:58 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] What time is it? |-----Original Message----- |From: dmw [mailto:dmw@radix.net] |Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 4:31 PM |To: where punctuation trumps music |Subject: Re: [loud-fans] What time is it? | | |On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Larry Tucker wrote: | |> Is there a convention for indicating dates? |> |> When using slashes it seems pretty customary to do mm/dd/yy . I like |> using dots as in mm.dd.yy and I use a 0 in front of a single digit |> day, but not month. I like the way this looks, but it seems |to be more |> conventional from my experience with Europeans that it's dd/mm/yy. |> |> Have I broken a law? Is this sort of a metric thing? | |didn't we just hassle this? I must've been asleep that day. Will it be on the test? - -LT ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:35:30 -0300 From: "jer fairall" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] tk etc Gave up on the new Breeders after two listens ("half-assed," yes, but I didn't think it was "engagingly" so) and haven't heard GbV or FROM RITUAL TO ROMANCE yet, but I just got the new Atom & His Package e.p. HAMBURGERS, which I really like. It's only 14 minutes (5 songs) long but, like last year's full-length REDEFINING MUSIC, finds him moving more towards fully realized songs and coherent, not always jokey and occasionally poignant lyrics. All of his albums have their share of classic moments but if this is the first you've heard of him, I recommend picking up either of the two most recent releases. Jer np: The Faint, DANSE MACABRE (a belated 2001 discovery) Will nuclear waste be transported through your neighborhood? Speak up! http://www.Care2.com/go/speakup ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:10:36 +0000 From: "Brendan Curry" Subject: [loud-fans] NYC (and evirons) Loud Listers - Need something to do? Hey, Someone just sent me an extensive list they compiled of all things cultural (film, music, theater, etc) going on in NYC this summer. It's organized by date and lists the venue and whether the event is free or not. It's a 34 page Microsoft Word 2000 file, but I can send it to you as a .txt (or some other format) if you'd rather. Interest parties can contact me off-list. Brendan ps: To give you an idea of what it's like, here's today's entry: Tuesday, June 25 Music: Toshi Reagan (folk), World Financial Center, FREE, 7:00 p.m. John Scofield- Battery Park City Film: Kiss Me Stupid, Director by Wilder, Film Forum , 2:00, 4:30, 8:00, 9:30 Shakespeares Twelth Night, FREE, 8:00 p.m., Delacorte Theater, Central Park, enter at 81st Street and Central Park West or 79th Street and Fifth Avenue, pick up tickets after 1:00 at theater or from 1:00  3:00 at Public Theater Music: Herbert, house music, Mercury Lounge Film: August, Human Rights Film Festival, Walter Read theater, 9:15 P.M. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:11:35 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] What time is it? I think that doug was referring to my recent more-stupid-than-usual posting caused by my misreading a European date. Which just goes to show what's at stake here... The "best" way is yy.mm.dd, since numerical and chronological order are the same. Of course, now that we're out of the Nineties, no one will read it correctly without some effort. Next best is Euro-style (dd.mm.yy), since the order is at least consistent. But I think your question is not which is best, but rather "if I substitute dots for those ugly slashes, will people expect European order as well?" Judging by my recent experience, I would say probably not. You might consider yyyy.mm.dd, though. The extra two digits alert the reader that you're using logical order, and you get to be Y2.1K compliant. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 2002 17:15:20 -0400 From: Dan Schmidt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] What time is it? "Larry Tucker" writes: | When using slashes it seems pretty customary to do mm/dd/yy . I like | using dots as in mm.dd.yy and I use a 0 in front of a single digit | day, but not month. I like the way this looks, but it seems to be | more conventional from my experience with Europeans that it's | dd/mm/yy. Yeah, Europe uses dd/mm/yy, which certainly makes more sense than the US mm/dd/yy, which doesn't even go in order from smallest unit of time to largest or vice versa. For my personal use I tend to use yyyymmdd, as dmw suggests. That way sorting alphabetically is the same as sorting chronologically, which is nice. GBV: I like it a lot. It is being heralded as a return to form, but I liked the last couple albums fine, so I can't really agree. My main wish is that there weren't so much time between tracks. When there are little fragments, I want them to flow into the next song, not pause for three seconds. Dan - -- http://www.dfan.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:11:36 -0400 From: Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com Subject: [loud-fans] Surrealist Compliment Generator The perils of your eyelashes torture my libido into a state of crass belief in Roman Catholicism. Read more at: http://www.madsci.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/~lynn/jardin/SCG Since the list was somewhat quiet .... -julianne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:35:23 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Surrealist Compliment Generator Come, let me gnaw your fingernails that I may absorb and lose myself in the wise and gritty detritus that is you. cool. - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 3:11 PM Subject: [loud-fans] Surrealist Compliment Generator > The perils of your eyelashes torture my libido into a state of crass belief > in Roman Catholicism. > Read more at: http://www.madsci.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/~lynn/jardin/SCG > > Since the list was somewhat quiet .... > > -julianne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:38:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] live n' loud On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, dc wrote: > > > i take back every disparaging comment i've ever made about the post > > office, at least as it connects San Francisco with Seattle. > > And with Boston! I wasn't expecting to see mine so soon after the message > from Sue saying it was in the mail. But not, however, Milwaukee: mine has yet to arrive. *sigh* - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Why should we value the work ethic ::when employers care so little about the pay ethic? __Barbara Ehrenreich__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:43:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] tk etc On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, dmw wrote: > vf reish: demos remarkably close, performance-wise, to final product; > interesting to learn that first-album-era tunes were being mined as last > as "birds sing"; the live stuff is probably worth the price of admission. > i mean, if you basically like the schtick. It took me a moment to realize that you meant "Violent Femmes reissue" and not a recording by someone named "V.F. Reish"... Yeah, Gano wrote a zillion songs when he was like 17 - and even though they'd been performing them live for years, some of them didn't show up on albums until much, much later. Sadly, they tended to be the best songs: the guy peaked *very* early. I haven't actually picked up this reissue yet - although looking at the tracklist, there are some things on there I've wondered what happened to... - --Jeff, for whom the Femmes are one of the few bands of which he can say, "oh yeah - I was into them way before their first record came out"... J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::playing around with the decentered self is all fun and games ::until somebody loses an I. np: air conditioner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:00:00 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] NYC (and evirons) Loud Listers - Need something to do? On Tuesday, June 25, 2002, at 05:10 PM, Brendan Curry wrote: > Music: Herbert, house music, Mercury Lounge This guy (Matthew Herbert, also performs as Radioboy) is a blast live. He works almost entirely with sampled objects, so a typical track might begin with him sampling an egg beater and a couple of spoons and building a melody out of them. He takes a complete set of props along on his live dates, so you actually get to see the process. There's an article here: http://www.overloadmedia.co.uk/archives/music/matthew_herbert.html - -- Dave Walker freeform radio and live, nude fish at: http://www.freeke.org/ffg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:07:53 -0400 From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] tk etc > Gave up on the new Breeders after two listens > ("half-assed," yes, but I didn't think it was > "engagingly" so) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You might want to try a few more listens. I'm enjoying it a whole heck of a lot more than that single-grafted-onto-a-bunch-of-crap called "Last Splash." Fans of "Last Splash" might want to ignore me on this one. "Title TK" is not as good as "Pod" (I feel compelled to add, "so don't get your hopes up, cheese") but it is good. Don't judge by a quick listen, as the songs aren't particularly hook-filled. A few of the reviews at Amazon.com are instructive. It's pretty unlikely that CDNOW would spotlight the Loud Family or Game Theory in any way, considering that their entire back catalogs are now unavailable through regular distribution channels. Go ahead, search on "Loud Family" on CDNOW -- you'll come up blank. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luckily for us, though, there's a great website committed to keeping Scott's tunes available for the fans, and at a very reasonable price. We should all offer a great big thank you to the people who've stayed committed to Scott and his music, even with the recent decline in his fortunes. For anyone looking to buy the Loud Family's output, no longer available at CDNOW, you couldn't finder a better or cheaper source than: http://half.ebay.com - --dana np: The new Sonic Youth album, on which they are punished for their sins by having their feedback taken away. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:06:20 -0400 From: Dana Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] tk etc > Gave up on the new Breeders after two listens > ("half-assed," yes, but I didn't think it was > "engagingly" so) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You might want to try a few more listens. I'm enjoying it a whole heck of a lot more than that single-grafted-onto-a-bunch-of-crap called "Last Splash." Fans of "Last Splash" might want to ignore me on this one. "Title TK" is not as good as "Pod" (I feel compelled to add, "so don't get your hopes up, cheese") but it is good. Don't judge by a quick listen, as the songs aren't particularly hook-filled. A few of the reviews at Amazon.com are instructive. It's pretty unlikely that CDNOW would spotlight the Loud Family or Game Theory in any way, considering that their entire back catalogs are now unavailable through regular distribution channels. Go ahead, search on "Loud Family" on CDNOW -- you'll come up blank. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luckily for us, though, there's a great website committed to keeping Scott's music available for the fans, and at a very reasonable price. We should all offer a great big thank you to the people who've stayed committed to Scott and his music, even with the recent decline in his fortunes. For anyone looking to buy the Loud Family's output, no longer available at CDNOW, you couldn't finder a better or cheaper source than: http://half.ebay.com - --dana np: The new Sonic Youth album, on which they are punished for their sins by having their feedback taken away. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:27:06 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] tk etc In a message dated 6/25/02 4:10:04 PM, dana-boy@juno.com writes: << For anyone looking to buy the Loud Family's output, no longer available at CDNOW, you couldn't finder a better or cheaper source than: http://half.ebay.com >> People are paying over $1.99 for "Days For Days"? Half.com rules, suckers! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:53:02 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] OB-12! >Hey, almost totally off any subject whatsoever, does anybody >here have any experience with the Oberheim OB-12? Don't know this one at all, although I did spend a few hours at Don Buchla's house programming presets for the OB-MX, which I'm pretty sure were rejected. Anyway, I found this very positive review with audio samples: http://www.harmony-central.com/Reviews/OB12/ For $600 it sounds like a steal, especially with all those knobs and sliders. And you can play "Jump" on it. If I knew more about your needs, I could probably assess it better (or possibly recommend, say, the Nord Micromodular* instead). *As heard on "Save Your Money"--we're back on-topic! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:59:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: [loud-fans] DFD 11 breaking news I'm on my third or fourth listen through FRTR, and when they do untitled-number-11 it sounds like Scott sings "Why is the step, in measure, the terror; and the dance, in measure, the answer?" (my punctuation, attempting to make sense of a sentence that, if I've transcribed it correctly, I do not understand). This is definitely not the same as "Why is this stupid measure the test ... that pretends to measure the answer?" which is what I had before. My memory of things is that someone told me authoritatively that was it, and I couldn't hear head or tail in the original recording, so I wrote it down. Anyway, I just listened to the DFD track 11 again, and whatever Scott's saying, I think it's the same as on FRTR. Anyone want to emend? a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:04:56 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] DFD 11 breaking news >"Why is the step, in >measure, the terror; and the dance, in measure, the answer?" This is what I've always heard. I assume the "step in measure" is marching, which could be a metonym for war or a metaphor for conformity. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:33:27 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] live n' loud At Tuesday 6/25/2002 05:38 PM -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >But not, however, Milwaukee: mine has yet to arrive. *sigh* Mine either, but at least I know there's a good reason why. I just hope that by the time it does arrive, someone else will have already sent the track information to the CDDB. I really *hate* typing in those loooong Scott titles. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:06:45 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] tk etc So, anybody heard the new Bowie, the new Bryan Ferry, Norah Jones, Rush, DJ Shadow, Cassandra Wilson, the Laurie Anderson live set? Opinions? Still waiting for a 2002 release to conclusively light my fire. Though I'm holding out hope for the Pixies' THE PURPLE TAPE, Andy How did you start playing drums? When I was 13, I knew I wanted to do something with music. I wasn't sure what it was, whether I wanted to sing or play an instrument. Just like every other kid, I'd save up my allowance. I wanted to get an instrument that I wouldn't need to take lessons for, and that's how drums came into the picture. I saved up my money, bought a set of drums and realized that I didn't need to take lessons to play this instrument. What I would do is put headphones on and play along with a record, you know, which is what most kids did. I started playing along with records and I knew I wouldn't have to take lessons to play this instrument. It felt really natural, it just felt easy. It was a no-brainer. That's how I started to play drums. It just was the easiest instrument to play, and I've never taken lessons. Who were some of your early influences? I was pretty much into heavier stuff. My biggest influence was Led Zeppelin. I was just completely entranced by them. The other part of the story is that I have an older brother -- it's just my brother and myself -- and of course he had the babysitting to deal with, which he hated and would have to drag me with him wherever he went. Anyway, on one of his baby sitting nights he had to drag me, when I was eleven, to a concert that he went to -- which was the first concert I ever went to -- Led Zeppelin opening for The Who. Wow! Baptism by fire, right? When I saw that, believe it or not, an eleven year old girl said to herself at that point, "This is what I want to do." I knew what I wanted to do the rest of my life, as insane as it sounds. That was it, it changed everything for me, everything. Like I said, I just hadn't decided what instrument I wanted to play or if I wanted to sing, but I knew I had to do something in music, because I was just swept away. Probably, for any kid at eleven years old, going to see Led Zeppelin opening for The Who would have fucking knocked them out too, right? How lucky was I? And we went to see them at Meriweather Post Pavilion (a large arena in Columbia, Maryland), and among one of the most memorable, biggest thrills of my life -- I have several -- but one of them is that, eleven or twelve years later, I actually got to play on that stage. [...] One of my editors would like me to ask what's the biggest car you ever drove? A Cadillac Coupe deVille, that's the big one. The old Coupe deVilles were huge tanks. Of course, my favorite model is the El Dorado, but the Coupe deVilles were huge [laughs]. My parents always had Cadillacs when I was growing up. Oh, I love them. Of course I always wanted the El Dorado and my Dad always wanted that but we sometimes had to get the four door numbers. You know, with a family. - --Gina Schock, Go-Go's drummer, from an interview by Gail Worley at http://www.ink19.com/issues/june2002/interviews/goGos.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:43:53 -0400 From: timv@triad.rr.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] What time is it? On 25 Jun 2002, at 17:15, Dan Schmidt wrote: > "Larry Tucker" writes: > > | When using slashes it seems pretty customary to do mm/dd/yy . I like > | using dots as in mm.dd.yy and I use a 0 in front of a single digit > | day, but not month. I like the way this looks, but it seems to be > | more conventional from my experience with Europeans that it's > | dd/mm/yy. > > Yeah, Europe uses dd/mm/yy, which certainly makes more sense than the > US mm/dd/yy, which doesn't even go in order from smallest unit of time > to largest or vice versa. > > For my personal use I tend to use yyyymmdd, as dmw suggests. That way > sorting alphabetically is the same as sorting chronologically, which > is nice. When I was involved in animation, we worked with a studio in Taiwan and that was the order they used: "02/06/25" for today's date. I seem to recall that that's the standard across China. Like so many other things, it seems to be a social convention to do it one way or another. As someone (JeFF?) pointed out w/ regard to punctuation, one tends to primarily call attention to oneself as a troublemaker by bucking the local standard when the differences in usefulness between the alternatives are small. And in defense of the US way, it does match how we usually speak the date: "June twenty-fifth, two thousand two." However, for the past 2.5 years I've held that there's no need during this decade to include the leading '0' in the two-digit year, if it can be omitted from the month or day. I'm a "6/25/2" guy myself. (...though mainly in my check register and for dating personal notes. I've tried not to impose that on others, unless they know me very well.) Tim Victor np: "What Time Is It?" (Marshall Crenshaw, Field Day) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:51:48 +0000 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] tk etc on 6/26/02 2:06 AM, Andrew Hamlin at zoom@speakeasy.org wrote: > So, anybody heard the new Bowie, the new Bryan Ferry, Norah Jones, Rush, DJ > Shadow, Cassandra Wilson, the Laurie Anderson live set? Opinions? I would recommend the new Bryan Ferry with reservations. Nearly half the record is cover material. He does two Dylan songs, It's All over Now Baby Blue, and Don't think Twice It's Allright , Goodnight Irene, and a cover of that song, Goin Down , that Jeff Beck did (which is probably a cover and the person who wrote it is probably a famous blues artist) The best song in my opinion is the collaboration with Brian Eno called I Thought which has a quality of some of the more wistful songs that Stephin Merritt has done. The introduction uses a cheap sounding organ. The melody is lovely and haunting and is why I bought the record. It would be interesting to hear more collaborations between them. The songs that he did with Dave Stewart remind me of some of the songs from Boys and Girls. Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:54:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] What time is it? On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 timv@triad.rr.com wrote: > However, for the past 2.5 years I've held that there's no need > during this decade to include the leading '0' in the two-digit year, > if it can be omitted from the month or day. I'm a "6/25/2" guy > myself. > > (...though mainly in my check register and for dating personal > notes. I've tried not to impose that on others, unless they know > me very well.) I have a cow-orker who insists on this - and it drives me bats. Sorry, but "6/25/2" just doesn't *look* like a date to me - it looks like some other kind of number. There was some memo from that co-worker the other day, and it also included numbers involving slashes and/or dashes (I've seen "6-25-02" for the date as well, just to add wrinkles) - and I had a hell of a time figuring which items were supposed to be dates & which not. Kind of like, yeah, you *could* send a letter to me addressed simply "320 53207-3965," since the four-digit suffix narrows it down to the block* ... but redundancy has its uses, as any info theorist will tell you. - --Jeff Jeffrey Norman, Posemodernist University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Dept. of Mumblish & Competitive Obliterature http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ * and because we're on a grid, that "3" in "320" is also redundant...so "53207-3965-20" would work - given a sufficiently intelligent mail carrier, anyway. In fact, the IRS *is* using a few more digits after the ZIP+4 standard - I think three. In most cases, that's enough to direct mail individually to, say, our bedroom, our living room, or our basement. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:59:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] DFD 11 breaking news On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Aaron Mandel wrote: > I'm on my third or fourth listen through FRTR, and when they do > untitled-number-11 it sounds like Scott sings "Why is the step, in > measure, the terror; and the dance, in measure, the answer?" (my > punctuation, attempting to make sense of a sentence that, if I've > transcribed it correctly, I do not understand). I like this better than the alternative - I can *almost* parse it. Something like what Tim said. I'm not sure how to express something hovering on the edge of my language that differentiates between "step" as singular and component vs. "dance" as organized, systematic, and (usually, if only implicitly) social - nor exactly why "answer" (implying "question") makes sense - I suppose the implicit question would be "if 'step, in measure' is the terror and therefore something to be eliminated, how?" It's actually rather a beautiful line, both rhythmically and in its armslength dealings with meaning. - --Jeff Jeffrey Norman, Posemodernist University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Dept. of Mumblish & Competitive Obliterature http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:31:49 -0400 From: "September Gurl" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Peaches Records I associate Peaches with sweet memories in my mind, as well, although I was only all of about 12 when they went out of business near my home in St. Louis. All I know is that no music store I've ever been to since then has had such a cool atmosphere. I had also thought that the whole chain had gone out of business nationwide in the 80s. Recently, my manager at work launched into a long tale about the rise and fall of Peaches. He had worked there while earning his M.A. and claimed that his job there had been so awesome that it had directly influenced him to prolong his years of study and delay getting his degree. He said the store had originated with one of the owners selling records out of a van. In particular, this van would travel around and target college towns in the Southeast. When the business grew successfully, he said that the owner moved out to Southern California and started a chain of record stores out there (can't recall the name). After a while of success with that, he started the whole Peaches concept and began expanding. I can't remember the exact details, but at some point, there were some changes at the executive level that affected their strategy. Supposedly, these changes led them to begin expanding and opening new stores based extremely highly on projected revenue, while jacking up their prices. Not too surprisingly, he says that is what ultimately led to their fall. I don't know how accurate my source was for this information, but I sure would have paid closer attention to the details if I had thought I'd be recounting the story to anyone else! Hopefully, someone will find it as amusing as I did. On a side note, I just want to say that you guys ROCK!!!! I suppose eventually, this "twilight zone" factor will wear off and I'll stop feeling like I'm in my own self-deluded, happy time warp. Thank you to everyone for such a warm welcome back. Of course, I wouldn't expect otherwise from loud-fans! Michele ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #223 *******************************