From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #222 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, June 25 2002 Volume 02 : Number 222 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [loud-fans] Just Saying Hello ["Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett" ] [loud-fans] spasms of fanaticism [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] actual Scott reference (quick! delete now!) [Jeffrey with 2 F] Re: [loud-fans] actual Scott reference (quick! delete now!) [Jeffrey with] Re: [loud-fans] Peaches Records [Dave Walker ] Re: [loud-fans] Peaches Records [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] book shtuff [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] Peaches Records [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] book shtuff ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] the philosophy of punctuation [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] the philosophy of punctuation [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] recommended [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Peaches Records ["Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] live n' loud [dc ] [loud-fans] Scott is a big star, underneath the crystal moon (ns) [Dana P] Re: [loud-fans] Scott is a big star, underneath the crystal moon (ns) [Je] Re: [loud-fans] Peaches Records [Dave Walker ] Re: [loud-fans] live n' loud [John Cooper ] [loud-fans] commercials [Carolyn Dorsey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:10:47 +0100 From: "Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Just Saying Hello Y'know, I was listening to The Tape Of Only Loud Fans only a couple of weeks back and wondering what happened to Michele who provided possibly the high spot of the CD with her wonderful version of Won't You Come Home With Me. Great to have you back, Michele - it's a good time to be back what with the release this week of the LF live album (see www.125records.com for details) and recent news that's Scott's been doing some work with Aimee Mann. Of course you won't hear much about that on *this* list because we generally only discuss what flavours of soda are popular in their states... Welcome back! Ian > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-loud-fans@smoe.org] On Behalf Of September Gurl > Sent: 23 June 2002 19:13 > To: loud-fans@smoe.org > Subject: [loud-fans] Just Saying Hello > > > Hi, Everyone! > > Michele Woodard writing here. I'm back on loud-fans after > about 3-4 years of somewhat unintended absence. I've been on > the hunt for this list for well over a year, in an effort to > rejoin. For some reason (I guess pure stupid oversight), the > information eluded me on every attempt. I thought that you'd > gone out of existence! My life has been lacking without you! (sob!) > > So, I just want to announce that I am back and I want to say > "hello" to my old, dear "family." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 13:17:18 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: [loud-fans] Elvis Put on a great show in Portsmouth, VA last night. Two hours on the dot. Set list: 45 Waiting for the End of the World Watching the Detectives Spooky Girlfriend (I Don't Want to Go To) Chelsea Clown Strike Honey Are You Straight 15 Petals Alison I Hope You're Happy Now Hi-Fidelity Tear Off Your Own Head Tart Deep Dark Truthful Mirror Sulky Girl No Action Less Than Zero Shipbuilding Dust Peace, Love and Understanding __________ Encore: Radio Radio Alibi You Belong To Me Pump it Up ___________ Encore 2: Episode of Blonde Lipstick Vogue I Want You Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 14:20:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] spasms of fanaticism I seem to go through phases in my relations to bands in my collection, ranging from a droop down into near indifference to constant listening. But what sometimes happens is I'll have set aside a band for awhile, and then for whatever reason pick them up again - and suddenly I have to listen to their entire catalog over and over again. This happened last week with The Sugarplastic (spurred on by a CD full of unidentified b-sides and demos - nothing like me needing info to get me curoius about a band again), and then this morning, as I was pulling together CDs to listen to at work, I stumbled into the P part of my collection (artfully avoiding the "how to pluralize names of letters" debate) and realized that I had all these Pavement full-lengths and EPs, many of which I hadn't listened to for a while, and I wanted to hear them all again. So then I was thinking I should burn a CD of all the scattered stray tracks (yeah, I know) and realized I'm missing a bunch of them. So off I went on the web, looking for a decent Pavement website - which I couldn't find. Sue, if you're looking for a venue in which to exercise both your web-design skills and your Pavement fandom, please do... Anyhoo, in order to make this slightly more interesting than a random entry from someone's musical diary, I'm wondering: is that sort of wax and wane typical of how you listen to music? Or do you mix and match all the time, retain steady fandom and listen to a particular act very frequently for years, etc.? - --Jeff Jeffrey Norman, Posemodernist University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Dept. of Mumblish & Competitive Obliterature http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ np: Pavement _Gold Soundz_ ep ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 19:57:41 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: [loud-fans] Peaches Records They're all closed in Richmond, Va. Has Peaches gone under? I mean, full retail plus a dollar or two on a CD can improve the bottom line, but who would pay it?? When Peaches opened here in 1979, I thought I had gone to heaven. What a selection, and a huge cut-out bin. Incense, chord books, guitar strings, works. Bought 'Look Sharp' just because of the Joe Jackson cut out they had (turns out I liked it!), but then again, I bought a Marillion 45 for the same reason. What made it become a suck ass place you'd never go even if you HAD to get something? Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:38:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] actual Scott reference (quick! delete now!) Still bobbin' around the web after Pavement stuff; ran into Stephen Malkmus' online journals, including the following item from a recent entry: Then over to see New Pornographers and Scotts [Kannberg] band. Place was amped for New Porno and yeah they were ace. Strange that the band "game theory" referenced in a positive way when they could not get arrested in the late eighties. "Could not get arrested" - whereas the LF, they could shoot up a police station wearing t-shirts with their names on & the cops wouldn't even know who they were... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Once he forgot what city he was in and saw an honor guard of four ::men marching toward him on the sidewalk, going from their guard duty ::to their barracks, and they carried rifles with fixed bayonets and ::wore embroidered tunics, pleated skirts and pompom slippers and he ::knew he wasn't in Milwaukee. --Don DeLillo, _Mao II_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:47:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] actual Scott reference (quick! delete now!) Damned cut and paste function... only these are Malkmus, the rest was me: > Then over to see New Pornographers and Scotts [Kannberg] band. Place was > amped for New Porno and yeah they were ace. Strange that the band "game > theory" referenced in a positive way when they could not get arrested in > the late eighties. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:46:52 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Peaches Records Peaches -- that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. It was the shop my sister used to frequent in her college years, and some of my earliest record bin digs (junior high) happened there, but they disappeared from Michigan in the early 80's. I wasn't aware they still existed, but it has to have beeen the same chain, as your description of the decor/atmosphere syncs with what I remember. - -- Dave Walker freeform radio and live, nude fish at: http://www.freeke.org/ffg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:14:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Peaches Records On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Dave Walker wrote: > Peaches -- that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. It showed up here in Muckey in the...late seventies? At the time, I was buying records (for the younger among us: these were aural sculptures in flat black plastic created cunningly so that a small needle hooked up to an electrical apparatus would actually *imitate the sound that that created the sculpture!* No, I'm serious - this wasn't some wacky Rube Goldbergian performance art project) by bicycling over to neighboring 'burb West Allis ("city of homes and industry" - they were inspired, it seems) to Record Head, and wondering what was that funny smell the place always had, and why the longhaired hippie freaks who ran the place kept disappearing into the back room... Anyway, Peaches was a longer bike ride away, but my initial reaction was also very wide-eyed and positive...wow, look at all those records! I seem to recall my teenage self was quite impressed also by some of the female record clerks they'd hired. Peaches' main claim to my memory, though, was that it was the venue Unca Bobby Fripp brought his Frippertronics "intelligent mobile touring unit" or whatever he was calling himself then (Tim W. or someone else who's a major Crimso fan will correct me) to Milwaukee at. (God, prepositions kill me - good thing I'm actually a native speaker.) Unfortunately, a monstrous electrical storm prevented Fripp from the full-on Frippertronics thing (not sure why, exactly), so he just played a tape of a previous F-tronics thing and impro'd atop. Very short, with a very large head, and extremely short hair. Actually I think his chest hair was longer than his head hair. But quite gracious, if a bit aloof in that Fripply way familiar to anyone who's read his prose. And y'know, I don't remember a single solitary word about no flash photography, no recording, etc. etc. etc. Mebbe he hadn't settled completely into his particular worldview on those issues at that point. Peaches later decayed into a rambling barn of a structure; the stock dwindled; and along with the rest of Milwaukee in the eighties, the neighborhood took a tumble: some legit problems to be sure, but more the perceptual problems (i.e., racism), ended up dooming it (along with obsolescence from larger chains - and for all I know, lame-ass managing). - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Once he forgot what city he was in and saw an honor guard of four ::men marching toward him on the sidewalk, going from their guard duty ::to their barracks, and they carried rifles with fixed bayonets and ::wore embroidered tunics, pleated skirts and pompom slippers and he ::knew he wasn't in Milwaukee. --Don DeLillo, _Mao II_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 14:26:31 -0700 From: "me" Subject: [loud-fans] book shtuff i know you all read, so here's one for ya: ed, my SO, is insisting that he has read a book by Hunter S. Thompson called _Fear and Loathing in Los Angeles_. no, not Las Vegas. his story is that HST wrote a series of Fear and Loathings, and one was in LA. i think he's insane, and i can't find any mention of it online anywhere. there are a few essays and articles out there with that title, by Cohen and others, but nothing by HST. some obscure short story, maybe? ed says that, in this imaginary book, HST discussed LAPD's use/testing of 'screamers'. (ed, as a general rule, does NOT read, so the whole thing is a bit surprising : ) anyone? also, i'm a few chapters into Lord of the Barnyard by Tristan Egolf, and am so far pretty intrigued. anyone else picked it up? b - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:32:51 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] book shtuff On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, me wrote: > also, i'm a few chapters into Lord of the Barnyard by Tristan Egolf, and am so > far pretty intrigued. anyone else picked it up? haven't heard of it. what's the 411? i'm about two-thirds through _perdido street station_ and substantially more intrigued than annoyed, though it's not unalloyed intrigue. np violent femmes _violent femmes_ (anniversary edition) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:47:48 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Peaches Records At 07:57 PM 6/24/2002 +0000, O Geier wrote: >They're all closed in Richmond, Va. Has Peaches gone under? I'm not sure -- I haven't seen a Peaches in years, but I thought they were part of the same chain as Strawberries, and I was surprised to find that there's still a Strawberries here in Boston. Okay, technically, it's in Cambridge, but it's open, and it's just like the ones I remember from when I was a kid. Me, I still miss Sound Warehouse. S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 14:49:47 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] book shtuff well, lessee... it's here: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0802136729/104-3695407-7640758 for a start. i'm only a few chapters in, and my only complaint is the wordiness of the writing. egolf has a tendency to take writing as a challenge to excercise his vocabulary, which is fine, but not when it means he expresses thingin the longest possible way. the first paragraph of the introduction is just short of physically painful. on the other hand, the wordplay is fun, and he seems to be trying to find the absolute best word for what he means, which is nice. it's turning out to be something of a warped story of a guy turning a town on its ear, i'm guessing for revenge, but i haven't gotten that far yet. and somewhere near the end of the intro you find out that the story is, in fact, being told by a participant who knew the main character, where as up til then it reads a lot differently. the transition was very smooth and sort of welcome, unlike in most of the stuff i've read, where it just comes off as cheesy. there's what little i have to say so far. if i get really motivated, i'll copy out the first paragraph of the book tonight. - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "dmw" To: "where they have to let you in" Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] book shtuff > On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, me wrote: > > > also, i'm a few chapters into Lord of the Barnyard by Tristan Egolf, and am so > > far pretty intrigued. anyone else picked it up? > > haven't heard of it. what's the 411? > > i'm about two-thirds through _perdido street station_ and substantially > more intrigued than annoyed, though it's not unalloyed intrigue. > > np > > violent femmes _violent femmes_ (anniversary edition) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:09:59 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the philosophy of punctuation Hey! Back home after a week + in sunny (yeah, right!) FL and just starting to scan mail. Had to weigh in on this one, though. If it were me, I would put the older of the two artists first (personal age, not music fame age). If they just happened to be born the very same minute of the same day of the same year, well, then I'd put my favorite first. Jen (currently living with stacks of barely sorted, not alphabetized, new acquisitions with no room in the shelves for them. Ugh.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:45:33 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] book shtuff >ed, my SO, is insisting that he has read a book by Hunter S. Thompson called >_Fear and Loathing in Los Angeles_. no, not Las Vegas. his story is that HST >wrote a series of Fear and Loathings, and one was in LA. As a reasonable-sized Thompson fan (okay, I lost a little weight recently), I can think of no book of his with that title. Hunter did write FEAR AND LOATHING: ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL '72; could Ed have read that? Or something about Los Angeles from one of Thompson's several collections, such as THE GREAT SHARK HUNT? Mulling whether to call Juan, Andy "Five 'songs' lasting nine minutes in which Arto Lindsay, who refuses to corrupt his talent by learning chords, beats his guitar about the neck and body while yelping and ululating and just plain screaming the incomprehensible urban blues. Lester Bangs calls it horrible noise, I call it skronk and say it's funny as hell and just as gut-wrenching--chaos neither celebrated nor succumbed to, just shaped into, well, postchaos. Ikue Mori's postceremonial drums and Tim Wright's post-Ubu bass complete the picture. A-" - --Robert Christgau's review of A TASTE OF DNA by DNA, 1981. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:58:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the philosophy of punctuation On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, jenny grover wrote: > me, I would put the older of the two artists first (personal age, not > music fame age). If they just happened to be born the very same minute > of the same day of the same year, well, then I'd put my favorite first. God, Jen, we are like so TOTALLY more mature than that now, like, we're so beyond it, it's like we can't even see it in our rearview mirrors anymore - - even though things seem closer than they appear, y'know, and that's soooo deep, like putting a lying dog to sleep, and isn't it ironic? Doncha think. - --Jeff, with the oldies channel on J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::playing around with the decentered self is all fun and games ::until somebody loses an I. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:00:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] recommended www.steelydan.com Hours of fun - even if you can't stand their music. Which would be foolish, but hey, who am I to judge? I AM THE GOD OF HELLFIYUH! - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. ::That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! __Thomas Pynchon, VINELAND__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 19:11:17 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Peaches Records Peaches went out of business here sometime in the late 80's. I think. I still miss the rock star hand-and-foot prints in cement outside the main doors (Ted Nugent just smooshed in one side of his face) and wonder who ended up with them. Only thing I remember buying there is Wild Man Fischer's PRONOUNCED NORMAL for a college roommate who'd lost it in a "divorce," but I sure remember finding ELECTRONIC SOUNDS for $3.29, sealed, and being unable to talk my dad out of the $3.29. And the huge polystyrene buns for I RESERVE THE RIGHT!'s in-store display. My friend Tom still has two wooden record crates from Peaches. They fell apart the last time he moved and they'll probably keep falling apart. We begged him to pull the Peaches artwork off and smash the rest to kindling. But memories die hard. Oh and that band called Russia, where the lead singer played "railroad springs," Andy "Dude, don't do that. People who own guns sleep around here." - --Tom's response to my singing "Achy Breaky Heart" at Fort Laughton while the sun set ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 19:22:46 -0700 From: dc Subject: [loud-fans] live n' loud am i *really* the only person out there, er, here, listening to From Ritual to Romance this evening? i take back every disparaging comment i've ever made about the post office, at least as it connects San Francisco with Seattle. dc vincinity of the latter ps. it's pretty cool! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:25:18 -0400 From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] Scott is a big star, underneath the crystal moon (ns) CDNOW spotlights an album a day, and today's choice is the #1 Record/Radio City two-fer. The nicest part is that the article mentions all the bands who have been influenced by Big Star. They mention, with links, Thin Lizzy, Cheap Trick, R.E.M., the DBs, Wilco, Red House Painters, Weezer and Sloan. Hmmm, I can't really think of anyone else either... Fans of '60's folk/pop/psych may want to try to get ahold of a compilation called "Underneath the Crystal Moon" which was one of the CDs given away by WFMU in exchange for a $60 or greater pledge. I have no idea if wfmu have more, but I'm sure they'd be happy to let people know (it was compiled by DJ Tony Coulter). I'm hardly authority enough to know if the songs are available elsewhere, but I can say that it's a really great collection of some stuff that was obscure to me. Carolyn, I'm fairly sure that you'd like it. The track listing: J. P. Rags "Soul Sunrise" Design "Marguaretta" A to Austr: "Thumbquake and Earthscrew" Your Mother: "Cryptic Subterfuge" Gale Garnett: "My Mind's Own Morning" Those Guys: "Stereopsis of a Floret" Philamore Lincoln: "The Plains of Delight" Carol Stromme: "Warm" Calliope: "Ryan 5" Daisy Chain: "Zzotto" NGC-4594: "Going Home" Travel Agency: "Made for You" Apple Pie Motherhood Band: "Long Live Apple Pie" Tea & Symphony "Seasons Turn to One" Jane Leichhardt: "Bradley Jones, I Love You" Crash Coffin: "Alone Together" Abe and Malka: "Hold On" unknown: "A Woman Called Sorrow" Sumpin' Else: "Here Comes the Hurt" Richard, Cam & Bert: "Without That Girl" Don & The Goodtimes: "Colors of Life" Gayle Caldwell: "Lonely Lily" The page that lists WFMU tchotchkes is https://www.wfmu.org/marathon/premiums.php. I got mine the old fashioned way, by donating during the marathon, but I wonder if deals could be cut after the fact... - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:33:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Scott is a big star, underneath the crystal moon (ns) On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Dana Paoli wrote: > CDNOW spotlights an album a day, and today's choice is the #1 > Record/Radio City two-fer. The nicest part is that the article mentions > all the bands who have been influenced by Big Star. They mention, with > links, Thin Lizzy, Cheap Trick, R.E.M., the DBs, Wilco, Red House > Painters, Weezer and Sloan. Hmmm, I can't really think of anyone else > either... Wasn't there some band in the eighties named after some math thing or other? I think they were called "A Beautiful Theory" or "Mind Game" or something. Someone told me they were influenced by Big Star. Or maybe it was "influenced by Stig's Bar." - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey: "no, no - we said we were bigger than Rod. Rod Stewart." J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::American people like their politics like Pez - small, sweet, and ::coming out of a funny plastic head. __Dennis Miller__ http://www.yahoo.com/s/8632 headline: "Bush Calls for New Palestinian Leader" http://www.yahoo.com/s/8633 headline: "Arafat to Bush: Who the Fuck Elected You King of the World?" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:27:04 -0400 From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Peaches Records Peaches still has a website: http://www.peachesmusic.com/ although checking the store locations link the chain seems to have contracted into just a few storefronts in the southeast U.S. - -- Dave Walker freeform radio and live, nude fish at: http://www.freeke.org/ffg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:55:27 -0700 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] live n' loud On 6/24/02, dc wrote: >am i *really* the only person out there, er, here, listening to From >Ritual to Romance this evening? Emphatically not! This is one sizzlin' disk, and the pictures alone are worth the price of admission. Just a great, great package for some great music indeed. I also highly recommend the t-shirt. Soft as a baby's crib and as cool as P. Diddy's. John Vicinity of^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 02:41:58 +0000 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: [loud-fans] commercials This is really twisted but I like that guy, Billy Mays I think his name is because he is so serious about cleaning! In his commercials he yells about how clean the products get your stuff. Oxi clean for clothes and orange cleaner for dirty disgusting bathtubs, filthy coolers, and grease cooked onto grills. And I think he did a commercial for a mop, too. I have no idea who this guy is but I'm convinced that the stuff he's selling REALLY CLEANS! He seems like he could be from Jersey. In my opinion the worst commercial on television now is The 2 Yoplait girls in an expensive trendy loft, talking about how good the the yogurt is. "First kiss good, etc." Horrible. Carolyn ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #222 *******************************