From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #214 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, June 18 2002 Volume 02 : Number 214 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] knock knock! who's there? Scott Miller! go away... [Jeff] [loud-fans] Late Night TV this week ["O Geier" ] [loud-fans] the answer to Scott's prayers [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Robo Priest ["Roger Winston" ] Re: [loud-fans] Robo Priest ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] Robo Priest [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Robo Priest [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Robo Priest ["Roger Winston" ] Re: [loud-fans] Robo Priest ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] Robo Priest [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Aimee and Scott [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] Possible old ground [Elizabeth Brion Subject: Re: [loud-fans] knock knock! who's there? Scott Miller! go away... On Sun, 16 Jun 2002, steve wrote: > It's nice of Aimee to use whatever market power she has to bring Scott > to the attention of more people, and I'm sure I'll buy the album. But > it seems to me that it can't be more than an oddity to anyone who > already knows who he is. But perhaps the proof is in the performance. But I think the point is that not many people *do* already know who he is - - and the hope is that by coattailing on Aimee Mann's success, more people would be exposed to his music. (Maybe P.T. Anderson will use Scott's music in his next film...yeah!) Someone said they'd be more interested if these were new songs - well yeah, but if there aren't any new songs to be had, you take what you can get. Who knows, maybe the recording process will spur on a new track. And maybe it's just me, but I think a thoroughgoing rearrangement of an old song practically is a new song. Go to the LF website and listen to the version of "Paranoid" thereon (I think it's still up) and see what I mean... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Drive ten thousand miles across America and you will know more about ::the country than all the institutes of sociology and political science ::put together. __Jean Baudrillard__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:47:49 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: [loud-fans] Late Night TV this week Looks like pretty good week. Flatlanders on Letterman tonight, Al Franken tomorrow night, Moby on Wed, band You Will Know Us By The Trail of Dead, or YWKUBTTOFD Thursday, Elvis Costello on Conan Thursday. Guided By Voices on Craig Kilborn tomorrow. Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:57:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] the answer to Scott's prayers Okay, in the new "Ask Scott," Scott notes two things: a. His favorite live album ever is _Yessongs_ (no, Joe did not bribe him to say that) b. He states: "I like playing live quite a bit. It's quite hard to come up with a single live show. You have to learn, arrange, and train for just one night. What I wish is that I had something like a weekend cover band gig that would allow me to keep sharp as a player and singer, and now and then I could torture the good people with some of my own tunes." Obviously, Scott should join a Yes tribute band. C'mon, surely y'all can hear him singing "And You and I"... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, pretending that he can continue posting at home and not end up being late for work J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::The more you drive, the less intelligent you are:: __Miller, in REPO MAN__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 08:01:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] from the Dept. of Clueless URLs... http://www.cummingfirst.com/ (Suitable for viewing at work...) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::does "anal retentive" have a hyphen?:: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:29:12 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the answer to Scott's prayers At 07:57 AM 6/17/2002 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Obviously, Scott should join a Yes tribute band. C'mon, surely y'all can >hear him singing "And You and I"... Taking the thread back off-topic so no one else has to: Like at least one other Loud-lister I know, we got the new special edition DVD of LEGEND a few weeks ago, and we finally made it through both the original US version of the film and Ridley Scott's new "director's cut" version. I think I successfully avoided the original theatrical release and saw no more than a snippet of it on HBO before changing channels. Here's the breakdown of our reasoning behind buying the DVD, despite it starring one of our least-favorite "actors" and really not expecting to like the movie: 25%: directed by Ridley Scott 25%: Mia Sara is hot (rhyme with previous line unintentional) 50%: disc 2 contains the video of Bryan Ferry's "Is Your Love Strong Enough?" Anyway, we watched the US version first so we would have it fresh in our minds when we saw Ridley Scott's new cut of the film. The new cut works better in almost every way, raising the film from "beautiful but mediocre" to "worth seeing but flawed." The scenes and narrative flow much better, the charming singing of Mia Sara is restored to several scenes (it was wholly cut from the original), and Jerry Goldsmith's score gives more of a timeless feel than the Tangerine Dream synth-heavy score -- the fact that it's not nearly as omnipresent as the TD score allows a lot more of the movie's dialogue and especially the wonderful ambient sound work (birds, wind, crystalline glissandos) to come across. In fact, on the soundtrack front, the only place Goldsmith's score falls short is in the sequence where Lili (Sara) is compelled by Darkness' spell to come to his lair and the dance scene that follows: the Tangerine Dream music for these scenes gave much more of a feel of being compelled by something supernatural, of obeying forces that you cannot comprehend nor control. The ideal cut would use Goldsmith except for this sequence. Well, it'd also give Tom Cruise some digitized pants (could he crouch in the legs-spread crotch-thrusted-out position any more often?), but that may be a more personal preference. I also wonder if everyone who worked on the film will die of lung ailments 10 years from now, since never has there been a movie with more stuff being blown through the air. Glitter Lung? Anyway, while the new cut has no other music but Goldsmith's, the original had Ferry's lustrous, gorgeous, glimmering "Is Your Love Strong Enough" behind the end titles, but during the climactic happy ending sequence (altered in the director's cut from American schoolgirl Disney storybook-thing to something more subtle and sweet), you're subjected to one of the most hideous Jon Anderson vocals known to mankind on "Loved By the Sun." I mean ears-bleeding, nails-on-chalkboard irritating, sheep-in-neighboring-pasture-stampeding hideous. Why on earth would Ridley have used this when he had a stunning, romantic, scene-appropriate Ferry track in his pocket? All I can figure is that since "Loved By the Sun" has music by Tangerine Dream, maybe he thought it was more appropriate to have all music in the film itself be by TD for aural continuity's sake. But still... yeeeech. registering my preference for John "Swingin'" Anderson, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:44:15 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the other Scott Miller At 12:19 PM 6/16/2002 -0400, Larry Tucker wrote: >Though I enjoyed >the rockers such as "Across the Line" it was the spare beauties like "Daddy >Raised a Boy" and "Amtrak Crescent" that really grabbed me. Though I love the full-band shows, I have to agree with Loud-lurker Tom Krueger that I'd almost rather see him solo because he may well be the best solo/acoustic guy out there. It was wonderful in April to see him for two nights in Johnson City, TN: solo Friday night, w/Commonwealth on Saturday, best of both worlds! >I think >Scott's singing comes across as more heart-felt. Eric Fritsch on guitars, >organ, mandolin and vocals was key part of this road band, particularly his >work on the Hammond Eric was also in the Great Shakes, the band that sometimes backed Scott in 2000, as was the Commonwealth's diminutive guitar wiz Rob McNally. Those keeping score will also note that Rob is the only holdover from the touring Commonwealth of 2001 -- Jared Reynolds and the great Jimmy Lester had other commitments. I think the new bass player does great, but I miss Jimmy's combination of power and precision on the drums. He's like the Gil Ray of Americana! >Miles, you are well justified in your ongoing lauding of Mr. Miller's >talents. I do have one question for my Tennessean friend. What's this >apparent running ing joke with Scott asking the audience, "are you with me"? >He must have done that at least a half dozen times during his performance >and even his self-released live CD which he was selling at the show is >called ARE YOU WITH ME? I don't think it's a joke, aside from it becoming the title of the live solo disc because he says it so much! It seems to be just what Scott says on stage. For those who haven't been to a Scott show, between songs about four or five times a show he will ask "Are you with me?" or "Are y'all still with me out there?" or other variants. It's more difficult to get from reading it than from hearing it, but it's usually it's said in a self-depreciating way instead of a "are you ready to RAWK?" cheerleading kind of way, and often followed by something like "I promise, the band will be out here soon" or "I know that was some sensitive singer/songwriter sh*t, but it'll get better!" Scott has said it at least a couple of times at every show of his, V-Roy, solo, full-band, whatever. It sure beats Res' "where are your lighters, Nashville?" later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:06:34 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] the other Scott Miller |-----Original Message----- |From: Miles Goosens [mailto:outdoorminer@mindspring.com] |Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:44 AM |To: quercian rosicrucian psychobabble |Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the other Scott Miller | |Though I love the full-band shows, I have to agree with |Loud-lurker Tom |Krueger that I'd almost rather see him solo because he may |well be the best |solo/acoustic guy out there. To that list I would add another from your state, Will Kimbrough, who hasn't gotten as much recognition but I would put right up there with Mr. Miller. I don't think he can sings as well as Scott, but he makes up for it with equally good songs and some amazing guitar playing. - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:24:09 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] knock knock! who's there? Scott Miller! go away... |-----Original Message----- |From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey [mailto:jenor@csd.uwm.edu] |Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 8:48 AM |To: someone please...make it stop!!!! |Subject: Re: [loud-fans] knock knock! who's there? Scott |Miller! go away... |But I think the point is that not many people *do* already |know who he is |- and the hope is that by coattailing on Aimee Mann's success, |more people would be exposed to his music. (Maybe P.T. |Anderson will use Scott's music in his next film...yeah!) Just maybe that is the inroad that will work for Scott which would target an older audience that would likely be more receptive to his writing anyway. Just look what it did to Aimee Mann's career and to T-Bone Burnett's name recognition if for producer only. I must say I never though I'd open a TIME magazine and see an article featuring T-Bone in it! - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:50:59 -0400 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the answer to Scott's prayers At 07:57 AM 6/17/2002 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Obviously, Scott should join a Yes tribute band. C'mon, surely y'all can >hear him singing "And You and I"... Isn't the coda to "Ballet Hetero" pretty much a Yes rip? MB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:09:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the answer to Scott's prayers On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Michael Bowen wrote: > Isn't the coda to "Ballet Hetero" pretty much a Yes rip? It sounds very much like the end of "Starship Trooper", which I'm guessing they'll play on tour this year with RICK WAKEMAN! I'm very excited... Speak to me of summer, J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:37:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the answer to Scott's prayers On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Michael Bowen wrote: > > Isn't the coda to "Ballet Hetero" pretty much a Yes rip? > > It sounds very much like the end of "Starship Trooper", which I'm guessing > they'll play on tour this year with RICK WAKEMAN! I'm very excited... To be truly geeky, I must point out that that chord sequence originally appeared in a track by one of Steve Howe's pre-Yes bands - i believe it was Bodast, oh-so-cleverly named based on combining the first two letters of each member's first name (Bob and Dave?). Well, it sounds better than "Emerlist Davjack," I'll give them that. My favorite band is Kegiscal! - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I've been praying a lot lately - it's because I no longer have a TV:: __Mark Eitzel__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:45:39 -0400 From: Richard Gagnon Subject: [loud-fans] Incoming visitor... I'm taking a quick trip down to North Carolina next month, for no particular reason, and would like to seize the opportunity to meet any friendly loudfans from the area if at all possible. We're staying in Carrboro, which I'm told is a "suburb" of the fabled town of Chapel Hill. If interested, please contact me offlist. Thanks! Rick - -- "The stout woman behind the counter looked as though she had spent her life waiting, but not for me" ******Ross Macdonald, "The Zebra-striped Hearse"****** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:05:24 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: [loud-fans] Robo Priest I do believe that the Weekly World News is trying to out-Onion the Onion these days. I was doubled over with laughter while standing in line at the grocery store yesterday: http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/news/index.cfm?instanceid=37319 Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:48:15 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Robo Priest THE MAFIA IS RUNNING OUT OF MOBSTERS! FIND OUT HOW YOU CAN JOIN! dude. i am so going to be there. but, because cold fusion rocks just that hard, the URL you sent is doing absolutely nothing. it's just enpty tables, except for the navigation stuff. - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Winston" To: "the sound of the collective grumbling " Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:05 PM Subject: [loud-fans] Robo Priest > I do believe that the Weekly World News is trying to out-Onion the Onion these days. I was doubled over with laughter while standing in line at the grocery store yesterday: > > http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/news/index.cfm?instanceid=37319 > > Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:20:04 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Robo Priest At 01:48 PM 6/17/2002 -0700, me wrote: >THE MAFIA IS RUNNING OUT OF MOBSTERS! FIND OUT HOW YOU CAN JOIN! > >dude. i am so going to be there. Will my mad GTA III skillz look good on my resume? (Acquired via the PS2 version of the game; my computer won't run the PC version, where you can use your own mp3s as you drive your stolen rides through Liberty City.) I also own the SOPRANOS DVDs. Richard Thompson tonight! And it's been less than three years since his last Nashville visit! (Though nearly 13 since his last solo/acoustic show here.) later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:28:35 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Robo Priest At 02:05 PM 6/17/2002 -0600, Roger Winston wrote: >I do believe that the Weekly World News is trying to out-Onion the Onion >these days. I was doubled over with laughter while standing in line at the >grocery store yesterday: "Robo Priest" -- isn't that some live variant of the Fall's "Hip Priest"? "Robotzzzzz... Robotzzzz lurch in the puuuuul-PITah of your orbital sok-HETZ... co-moon-eee-yahn iz so futurateek He will NAAAAHT drink tha boyzzzez short draughts As clean as a pak-HOGE of reflective wafahzzz Robo robo robo robo priest..." later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:26:14 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Robo Priest me on 6/17/2002 2:48:15 PM wrote: > but, because cold fusion rocks just that hard, the URL you sent is doing > absolutely nothing. > > it's just enpty tables, except for the navigation stuff. Dude, I dunno what to tell you. It wasn't working for Joe either. Works for me with IE 5.5. Try going in through the front door (http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/) and click on the main headline (POPE'S HIGH-TECH SOLUTION FOR SEX SCANDALS... ROBO PRIEST!). I especially love the little schematic of the robotic clergyman (clergyperson? clergything?). Yes, cold fusion does anti-rock. But then again, all I know is ASP. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:36:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Robo Priest On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, me wrote: > THE MAFIA IS RUNNING OUT OF MOBSTERS! FIND OUT HOW YOU CAN JOIN! > > but, because cold fusion rocks just that hard, the URL you sent is doing > absolutely nothing. I used to be a Cold Fusion programmer, and it usually works, so I can only assume the Justice Department (are you listening, Herr Ashcroft?) got to the WWN site so that no one would join the new Mafia. Potential slogan: a gang of one (Cosa Mio). You broke my heart, Fredo... J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:37:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Robo Priest On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, me wrote: > THE MAFIA IS RUNNING OUT OF MOBSTERS! FIND OUT HOW YOU CAN JOIN! > > dude. i am so going to be there. Y'know, I was wondering the other day, re the pet legal term of certain parties, "takings": the notion that if a government regulation restricts the actions of a business (such as by prohibiting it from dumping toxic waste next to a playground, or insisting it not employ five-year-olds for sixteen-hour shifts) and that regulation inhibits the business from making as much money as it otherwise would, the business should be compensated by the government for its loss of income. I think me and a couple of friends should incorporate as, say, "HitKo, Inc.," and attempt to drum up business from people who want to take out contracts to kill other people. What? That's illegal? Dude, compensate me - your invasive, jackbooted government regulations are preventing me from making money. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Drive ten thousand miles across America and you will know more about ::the country than all the institutes of sociology and political science ::put together. __Jean Baudrillard__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:42:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Robo Priest On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Roger Winston wrote: > (http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/) and click on the main headline (POPE'S > HIGH-TECH SOLUTION FOR SEX SCANDALS... ROBO PRIEST!). I especially love > the little schematic of the robotic clergyman (clergyperson? > clergything?). It would have to be a clergy*man* - and, like Data in ST:TNG, "fully functional." Otherwise, it couldn't be a priest - at least not according to the reasoning whereby women can't be ordained, as they lack male genitalia. But of course, the RoboPriests could never actually *use* such functionality. - --Jeff, who thought "RoboPriest" was that ill-fated attempt at techno that Rob Halford's former band attempted back in '92 or so... J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Any noise that is unrelenting eventually becomes music:: __Paula Carino__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:56:38 +0000 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: [loud-fans] You La Tengo July 12 FRIDAY, JULY 12 at 7:30 P.M. Yo La Tengo in the bandshell at Prospect Park Dana already mentioned this, and for some reason I thought this was a Saturday which would have allowed a more leisurely gathering. Still it would be fun if New York area folks would like to get together in the park before the show. It could be a simple bring something from the deli kind of thing. Please e-mail me privately if you' re interested in doing this. Carolyn PS-Has anyone heard Brian Ferry's new record? The name escapes me. I heard a little bit and think it's really good. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:14:11 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Aimee and Scott On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Sue Trowbridge wrote: > This is true. Scott's already been down to SoCal to work on it. Thus my > not entirely academic question of "where would a solo Scott Miller album > be filed relative to the other Scott Miller's album." > > Release date? Who knows? Track listing? Apparently mostly stuff from > PLANTS, with a sprinkling of songs from the TTOOL, IBC and DFD. - -- d., valiantly attempting to catch up. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:58:50 -0700 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Possible old ground At 3:20 PM -0500 6/14/02, Miles Goosens wrote: >Then everything worked fine for nearly 14 years. But earlier this >year, within the space of a month, I got unplayable copies of >Bjork's VESPERTINE (same problem as TUNNEL OF LOVE, but 10 songs in >instead of right away) and the Chemical Brothers' COME WITH US >(sealed tight in the ltd. edition cardboard packaging but scratched >all the hell; I guess I could have done the toothpaste thing but it >was just easier to stop by Tower and make 'em give me another one). As a record retail professional (cough), I can tell you that CDs have started being returned as unplayable - usually just in certain players - at a fairly astonishing rate in the last few months. I've worked in one record store or another for three of the last five years, and I can remember maybe one or two coming back in all that time - and maybe 50 or 60 in the last few months. The major labels insist they're not doing copy protection in the US, but I've gotta say - I'm not convinced. I also had a Great CD Theft in 1995, and like Miles, I'm often really confused about what I owned then and I own now. So I've duplicated a few CDs - and worse, passed up some I really should've pounced on. The only CDs I can recall intentionally buying twice because of remastering are "Parallel Lines" and 'Eat To The Beat" by Blondie, both of which sounded pretty crappy in their original CD incarnations. I think that covers my thread catch-up (oh, I could go into my punctuation woes for hours, as someone who worked for many years as a copy editor for advertising agencies of all things, but I think I'll spare you) so now I'll ask for advice on stereo equipment. We have a pretty good high-end system that we've cobbled together, with the CD unit (and the most plebian component) being my Phillips 2-drawer burner. Problem is, as a changer freak since the vinyl days, I can never decide what I want to listen to in terms of one or two albums. I need to put on five or six and let 'em rip. Randy is fairly convinced that I'm nuts, but I'm telling you, in the three years since we've had this setup I've spent maybe 10% as much time listening to music as usual. So I was thinking of getting one of those little bookshelf systems to fulfill my own perverse listening requirements. We don't live anywhere near an audio store, so I'm almost forced to do my shopping online. The obvious problem is that I won't be able to hear what they sound like before buying; the secondary problem is that I do NOT want one of those things that lights up like a discotheque. Has anyone got any recommendations? My funding is somewhat limited, but not absurdly so - I'm not looking to come in under $100 or anything. Thanks! - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:48:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Possible old ground On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Elizabeth Brion wrote: > At 3:20 PM -0500 6/14/02, Miles Goosens wrote: > > >Then everything worked fine for nearly 14 years. But earlier this > >year, within the space of a month, I got unplayable copies of > >Bjork's VESPERTINE (same problem as TUNNEL OF LOVE, but 10 songs in > >instead of right away) and the Chemical Brothers' COME WITH US > >(sealed tight in the ltd. edition cardboard packaging but scratched > >all the hell; I guess I could have done the toothpaste thing but it > >was just easier to stop by Tower and make 'em give me another one). For some reason, Elizabeth's message arrived (for the second time) just a few minutes ago in my mailbox. However, Miles' remarks above remind me of the weirdest defective CD situation I've run into: a copy of an Idaho CD whose plastic jewelbox had *melted* closed at one corner. I couldn't get it open without wrecking the disc itself (which probably was in not so good shape anyway). For all I know, the CD inadvertently found its way into an old episode of _I Love Lucy_, wherein Lucy works at a CD pressing plant and somehow decides to do some ironing on her break when the CDs come down the line anyway... I blame the Robo Priest. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::"In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #214 *******************************