From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #211 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, June 15 2002 Volume 02 : Number 211 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [loud-fans] Possible old ground [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Possible old ground On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Larry Tucker wrote: > Miles will be happy to know I'll be seeing Scott Miller tonight. Yeah, but boy will Kristine be pissed. Oh - am I misunderstanding you? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Watson! Something's afoot...and it's on the end of my leg:: __Hemlock Stones__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 23:10:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Possible old ground Criminy, there's like 160 messages in my mailbox. What is this, 1996? Anyway: Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark _Organisation_. There was another title I purchased at the same time - I think it was Paul Simon's _Hearts and Bones_, but it might have been James Brown's _The CD of JB_. I bought those before I bought the player. Good thing: when I bought the player, I got a free CD...the *best* (!) of which was the Men at Work CD that came *after* the one with the hits on it. For all I remember it, it might well have sounded in its entirety exactly like Sharples thought _Please Please Me_ sounded for the first few seconds. Jeff Ceci n'est pas une .sig ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 23:24:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Organinzing that first CD On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > New question: how many CDs have you bought more than once, because of > remastering or rerelease with bonus tracks? "I lost it" doesn't count. The most grievous offender in this category is surely Mr. Declan Patrick (Aloysius) MacManus. In most cases, I bought the original LPs. Then I bought the Columbia CDs. Then I bought the Ryko CDs, with bonus tracks. And now I'm buying the Rhino CDs, with more bonus tracks. Because of this, I will never ever ever feel guilty about doing anything the record industry doesn't want me to do. (There must have been more...but right now, I can't think of them.) - --Jeff Jeffrey Norman, Posemodernist University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Dept. of Mumblish & Competitive Obliterature http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 23:31:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the philosophy of punctuation On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > I had Reverend Al (Green, Al) after Green and before Green Day and Green > on Red and the rest of them, but he didn't look comfortable there, so I > put him in front of all the Green bands, to keep them all in line! I think I would have put Al Green first, then Zippy Green, then Green, then Green Day, then Green on Red. > But why wouldn't Renaldo & the Loaf be under L by the "Foo and the Bars" > rule? Because that doesn't make any sense. "Foo Jack and the Bars" are > under J, but "Foo and the Bars" are under F. My one guideline for all > this is "where would I find this at the record store?". But most record stores don't alphabetize so tightly - most of the bands I mentioned would be under MISC R or whatever the letter (okay, prob'ly not Reed or R.E.M.). And Renaldo & the Loaf is under R because there's no Renaldo and no The Loaf - or there's both of them, but they're both nicknames with no surname. Mickey and Sylvia go under M - not under whatever "Mickey"'s last name might have been. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I play the guitar. Sometimes I play the fool:: __John Lennon__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 23:35:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the philosophy of punctuation On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, dmw wrote: > likewise a classical disc with handel, pachabel, bach etc. can go with > other "baroque" in a section of discs with multiple composers. but i have > a disc with two concerti, one by mozart, one by carl maria von weber. one > is classical, one is romantic -- can't file by period. one is M, one is > W. I file classical recordings by label, and within label by catalog number. Yes, it means I have to remember what label something's on - but that's not that hard, actually. - --Jeff Jeffrey Norman, Posemodernist University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Dept. of Mumblish & Competitive Obliterature http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 23:37:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] bay area loud fans On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, me wrote: > KCBS is running an ad for a russian composer series at the symphony. i've > heard two different ads. one has a nice, pleasant tune, and the other is > reminiscent of Night on Bald Mountain. if anyone has heard this and > recognized the second one, i'd love to know what it is. Yeah, but how would you alphabetize it? - --Jeff Jeffrey Norman, Posemodernist University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Dept. of Mumblish & Competitive Obliterature http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 23:44:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the philosophy of punctuation okay, another wrinkle: if you file within artist by chronology, where do you put compilations? By release date? By earliest track on the comp? By latest track? I'm always messing with the order of my Beatles CDs, what with the _Anthology_ discs, the BBC discs, the _Past Masters_ discs... What usually happens is that the Beatles section is broken in th emiddle by a row change - and if a two-disc set doesn't fit, I shove one of the damned _Past Master_ discs in there to make things fit. (Similar problems with normal-sized box sets like Laurie Anderson's _United States_ - as if I ever listen to that - and the Thelonious Monk Riverside box: they get moved around depending on space.) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::glibby glop gloopy nibby nobby noopy la la la la lo:: ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 00:48:46 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the philosophy of punctuation At 11:31 PM 6/14/2002 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >And Renaldo & the Loaf is under R because there's no Renaldo and no The >Loaf - or there's both of them, but they're both nicknames with no >surname. Mickey and Sylvia go under M - not under whatever "Mickey"'s last >name might have been. Baker. I'm not one for guitar heroes normally, but Mickey Baker is absolutely one of the most kick-ass guitarists I have ever heard. There's a Bear Family best-of called ROCK WITH A SOCK that's one of the best '50s R&B collections I've ever heard. (Sylvia, meanwhile, had a massive early disco hit with "Pillow Talk" in 1973, and then founded Sugar Hill Records, the first important rap label, in the late '70s. For a one-hit wonder, they were pretty heavy.) S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 23:52:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Possible old ground; more filing On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Matthew Weber wrote: > In the end, what's most important is that you have it where you know you > can find it. Since the only person who has to worry about information > retrieval is you (and possibly spouse/partner/whatever), I wouldn't be too > concerned. :) What? And erase the last week of Loudfans discussion? I think not! Now, what about Walter/Wendy Carlos? What if there was someone *else* named, say, Wanda Carlos....? - -j ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 00:08:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Aimee and Scott On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Sue Trowbridge wrote: > On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, glenn mcdonald wrote: > > > At the end of a piece about the upcoming Aimee Mann album in this > > month's ICE: > > > > "She also wants to pair up with Scott Miller from Game Theory and The > > Loud Family to put together a joint, mostly acoustic album. 'He's got so > > many good songs,' she says, 'I want to do an acoustic best-of, to > > introduce him to a larger audience.'" > > This is true. Scott's already been down to SoCal to work on it. Thus my > not entirely academic question of "where would a solo Scott Miller album > be filed relative to the other Scott Miller's album." I thought that was my not entirely academic question - even though I thought it was entirely academic. Or not. I'm confused. Hey, uh, y'all reading this recognize that this means a *new* Scott Miller record? Might even mean this list could actually have on-topic discussions for a while. Okay, not new songs as such - but re-recordings and rearrangements. In theory, the prospect of new recordings of old songs is a bit stale - but I often like acoustic reinventions (so long as they acdtually are reinventions - I think the Cure's "unplugged" stuff is a good example), and with Aimee Mann helping out (in arranging? playing and singing as well?), well that's certainly a compatible and sympathetic collaborator. What with 6/25 bringing the live LF CD, good lord we're in a veritable flood of Scott material. I'm thinking up new filing quandaries in preparation. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::pushing the pencil not the envelope:: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:16:39 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Possible old ground; more filing At 11:52 PM -0500 6/14/02, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Matthew Weber wrote: > > > In the end, what's most important is that you have it where you know you > > can find it. Since the only person who has to worry about information > > retrieval is you (and possibly spouse/partner/whatever), I wouldn't be too > > concerned. :) > >What? And erase the last week of Loudfans discussion? > >I think not! > >Now, what about Walter/Wendy Carlos? What if there was someone *else* >named, say, Wanda Carlos....? > >-j And what if she travelled back in time to marry Walter (a couple of models of Moog back in time)? Whoops, now I'm gonna get sued! Matt Pray consider what a figure a man would make in the republic of letters. Joseph Addison (1672-1719), Ancient Medals, 1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 01:36:05 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the philosophy of punctuation Jeff: >I'm always messing with the order of my Beatles CDs, what with the >_Anthology_ discs, the BBC discs, the _Past Masters_.... Allow me. Obviously this is a problem I've been wrestling with for most of my years on Earth... After LET IT BE, just throw 'em in there by release date! Red, Blue, HOLLYWOOD BOWL, ROCK 'N' ROLL, whatever you got, there you go...what, you don't file all single artist albums by release date? If not, I can't even *talk* to you, man... Guess this as good a time to raise my annual complaint (no, not that Armando Benitez is the anti-Christ), why isn't HOLLYWOOD BOWL out on CD? C'mon, George is dead now, can't we have some fun? I pulled out HOLLYWOOD BOWL recently amidst an orgy of rediscovering my vinyl collection, mainly intrigued by Babiuk's BEATLES GEAR book to hear how those guitars sounded cranked to 11 through those 100-watt "Super Beatle" Vox amps...Holy Jesus... JS, immeasurably pissed about the Mets' most recent catastrophe, but now, cheered no end by blasting the remastered re-release of BOC's AGENTS OF FORTUNE. Daredevil, She-devil, Printer's devil, Evil! I love you like sin, but I won't be your pigeon! Don't report this! ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #211 *******************************