From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #197 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, June 4 2002 Volume 02 : Number 197 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Captain Beefheart (Picnic) ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Picnic [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Picnic [Cardinal007@aol.com] RE: [loud-fans] Picnic [Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com] [loud-fans] Songs about Ricola ["Vallor" ] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic ["Francis J H Park" ] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic ["John Sharples" ] Re: [loud-fans] Songs about Ricola ["John Sharples" ] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic [Holly Kruse ] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic [AWeiss4338@aol.com] RE: [loud-fans] Picnic [Matthew Weber ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:47:43 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Captain Beefheart (Picnic) TROUT MASK is probably the masterpiece. Langdon Winner's piece in STRANDED explains it all for you. Except maybe for the part where Kurt and Courtney used to have sex to it. Oh, and the part where my childhood friends insisted that the album could not be music, and triumphantly whipped out the dictionary definition of "music" to prove it. To this day, I snarl and slobber at the sight of a dictionary. And we won't talk about Scrabble... Mind you, my first reaction to the album was something like Michael's. Wish I had THE SPOTLIGHT KID. SAFE AS MILK is amazing for Ry Cooder's parts alone (not to mention the Captain allegedly blew out a mic, through vocal subsonics, on an early take of "Electricity"). DOC AT THE RADAR STATION and SHINY BEAST you need. The parts of UNCONDITIONALLY GUARANTEED I heard sound like him trying to do the Monkees, though, and the parts of BLUEJEANS AND MOONBEAMS I heard sounded massively depressing. I haven't spun ICE CREAM FOR CROW in years; wasn't he sounding a little ragged by then? Solid songs, though. I had enormous difficulty convincing people, orally that is, that the name wasn't "Captain Bee Fart." Imagine my delight in discovering, through MOAB IS MY WASHPOT, that Stephen Fry suffered this dilemma in his own time. Anybody read the biography by Mike Barnes yet? For Brianna-- Lat: 47.669480 47:40:10.128N Lon: -122.315994 122:18:57.578W Fond memories of the geodetic center of America (not far from Lebanon), Andy "He finished and put the guitar down with a slow, solemn seriousness, and then there was no denying the magnetism, the electrical attraction of his personality. His eyes were two great stars, the north and south poles of her celestial universe. She felt herself growing weak as he drew her towards him, and their lips met in a strange, soul-consuming ecstasy of passion . . . . Lana woke feeling warm and comfortable, and strangely light heartedly amoral." - --from SPECTRE OF DARKNESS by John E. Muller (aka R. Lionel Fanthorpe) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:59:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Michael Mitton wrote: > Now, when you're finding the point of minimum distance, you aren't > forgetting the fact that earth is curved, are you? Michael's on the right track: I found myself thinking last night, "this is too simple. There must be a more complicated way to do this." So: after everyone enters their coordinates, the thing to do is measure how far everyone is from everyone else, then calculate each person's average distance from all other respondents. Whoever's got the lowest average, that's where we meet.* Now all we need is someone to calculate all this. Someone with mathematical skills, and a talent for tabulating lots of information...why look, it's aaron mandel! Thanks, aaron! *Unless it's at Sharples' apt. - the United Brotherhood of Roaches Local #2563 boycotted that place for unsanitary living conditions (mostly on account of his laundry habits). (Don't tell me you didn't see them out there with their tiny little picket signs, scurrying around every time you turned on a light at night?) - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::playing around with the decentered self is all fun and games ::until somebody loses an I. np: Robyn Hitchcock & Grant Lee Phillips live on KCRW 6-18-00 (courtesy a feg who wanted a copy of Joe's Yes bootleg - goes around comes around etc.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:05:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Picnic On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Jon Gabriel wrote: > Lat: > 33.365180 > 33:21:54.648N > > Lon: > -111.869025 > 111:52:8.490W What I like about this little exercise is that, should any rabid haters of Scott Miller fans be monitoring the list or cruising the archives, they would now be able to target each of our individual houses and apartments with tactical nuclear missiles (should they get a hold of such, of course). Failing that, they could fly overhead in helicopters and drop pennies from a great height, crashing them through our roofs and embedding them in our basement floors. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::To be the center of the universe, don't orbit things:: __Scott Miller__ ps: it's interesting trying to type with a cat on your wrists... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:08:06 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic > So: after everyone enters their coordinates, the thing to do is measure > how far everyone is from everyone else, then calculate each person's > average distance from all other respondents. Whoever's got the lowest > average, that's where we meet.* well, i've got a nice little Excel sheet goin' here... 24 entries so far. i'll send it to aaron once i get the night-listers in hopes that he will oblige. :) we're currently headed for Prairie Dog State Park in Kansas, by the way. much cuter than cockroaches. http://www.kdwp.state.ks.us/pmforum/prairiedog.html my dad, who builds and uses weather/cloud/fire models had this to say: ## Now if you overlay more GIS layers -- airports, railroads, highways, etc. you can figure out the most optimal, readily accessbile near-centroid location. Or to further reduce travel costs, you could set up an on-line interactive virtual picnic at the precise location of the membership centroid, using high-resultion GIS imagery. That might be cool. Everytime you got a new member or someone quit, the location of your next virtual picnic would change. And I could use the models to create the weather -- yes -- virtual, but the same as the actual weather at the specific location and time. A N D I could virtually burn the site, too, enabling the participants to roast marshmellows on the run as they fled the approaching flames. Then you could name this event ...... Burning Lan' !! ## - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:15:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, me wrote: > my dad, who builds and uses weather/cloud/fire models had this to say: > > ## > Now if you overlay more GIS layers -- airports, railroads, highways, etc. > you can figure out the most optimal, readily accessbile near-centroid > location. > ...... > A N D I could virtually burn the site, too, enabling the participants to > roast marshmellows on the run as they fled the approaching flames. > Then you could name this event ...... > > Burning Lan' !! > ## Oh dear - I see now where Brianna inherited *much*... - -j ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:17:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, John Swartzentruber wrote: > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:08:17 -0500 (CDT), Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > wrote: > > >> Hey, y'all realize I was just _kidding_. Not that it wouldn't be > >> interesting to know where the average loud-fan lives (or is that where > >> the loud-fan average lives?). > > > >"Kidding" on this list is responded to with meta-kidding. Repeat until > >everyone else is annoyed. > > I wasn't "Kidding", I was _kidding_. > > [just *kidding*] Just trying to get your goat... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, observing again that repeating a word multiple times renders it abstract...kidding, kidding, kidding, kidding, kidding, kidding, kidding, kidding, kidding, kidding, kidding, kidding, kidding, kidding, kidding, kidding, kidding, kidding, kidding, kidding... J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: __Robert Desnos__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:07:48 EDT From: Cardinal007@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Picnic In a message dated 6/3/02 17:32:58, jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu writes: >I'm guessing with the northeast and southeast concentrations, and especially >if > >we can get those British dudes to weigh in and help counterbalance the > > >northwest US, ground zero will end up being the stage of the Metro Cafe >in DC, > >which is where I thought we should have it in the first place. If Grahame >and > >doug can get us the room in late August, I'll play a set... > > > >Seriously, though, I think DC probably is the most reachable major city >for the > >greatest number of loudfans... as many of us saw our last Loud Family show @ the fine Metro Cafe [well, at least one of us], I'll get the place booked and get a line of fine amplifiers/drums/git-fiddles, etc. for a show at the Metro to celebrate our joyous Loudness.... even those of us who can't abide Scott Miller or Loud Family still experience joyous Loudness . . . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:25:03 -0400 From: Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Picnic Another entry skewing things west: Lat: 45.440144 45:26:24.518N Lon: -122.775938 122:46:33.377W -julianne - -----Original Message----- From: Joseph M. Mallon [mailto:jmmallon@joescafe.com] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 11:31 AM To: LFList Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, John Swartzentruber wrote: > Everyone should send their longitude and latitude and then we can just > average them. Or put them in zones, and average those. And then JeFFrey > could collect them and turn them into time signatures and Scott could > write a song about them. > > N380 26.790' > W780 52.012' This site gives you the Lat & Long for any address: http://geocode.com/eagle.html Maybe we should all use this to keep the format consistent. Consistency, aside from being the hobgoblin of little minds, is necessary for proper data analysis. Results for Sue & me: Lat: Decimal: 37.894970 Deg:Min:Sec: 37:53:41.892N Lon: Decimal: -122.306375 Deg:Min:Sec: 122:18:22.950W J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:06:32 -0400 From: "Vallor" Subject: [loud-fans] Songs about Ricola cough ! Shannon & I are heading overseas soon to Prague in the Czech Republic as well as Budapest and Miskolc in Hungary. We know little of these spots 'cept The Plastic People Of The Universe and that's supposed to be pretty awesome over there. Shannon's speaking at an event in Miskolc so the college there will show us around, but were walking blind otherwise. If anyone's been to these parts and can shed some light, I'd love to hear from you. Kindly- Dan Vallor pist cause I didn't win a Mojo Jojo guitar & amp! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:21:25 -0400 From: "Francis J H Park" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic N 35 degrees 03.796', W 79 deg 00.010' best guess. My mapping software isn't up to date on my neighborhood. WGS-84 spheroid. When corrected for the NAS-C Clarke 1866 10 map datum, coordinates shift to N 35 degrees 03.790', W 79 deg 00.025' best guess. How many North Carolina loud-fans are there anyway besides Larry Tucker and myself? Narf. Francis J. H. Park http://home.sprintmail.com/~durandal - -- "Ask for my honesty and you'll have my loyalty. Ask for my loyalty and you'll (only) have my honesty." - COL(Ret) John R. Boyd, USAF (1927-1997) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:26:59 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic Michael: >BTW, has anyone seen the website www.geocaching.com? If you have a GPS, >you can go on your own treasure hunts around your area. I haven't gone >out yet, but it actually sounds fun. I had never heard of this until a couple of weeks ago while, making my near-annual pilgrimmage to the Ingraham-Dwyers' vacation spot on the Jersey shore (this used to be called "freeloading") Andy described this to me. I pointed him to the "Dunderberg Jeff: >What I like about this little exercise is that, should any rabid haters of >Scott Miller fans be monitoring the list or cruising the archives, they >would now be able to target each of our individual houses and apartments >with tactical nuclear missiles JR's reading this, thinking "Hmmmm....where'd I put that new issue of JANE'S...?" Brianna: >we're currently headed for Prairie Dog State Park in Kansas Yep, we're draggin' it east, I tell you! I'm afraid now the eastern movement will stall out and we'll end up in Cornhenge. But I could always get a bunch of guys in Sarajevo to subscribe at the last second to just yank that puppy right over... Brianna's dad: >Or to further reduce travel costs, you could set up an on-line interactive >virtual picnic at the precise location of the membership centroid, using >high-resultion GIS imagery. That might be cool. Your dad says "that might be cool"? God, now I feel old. I don't think my dad would use the word "cool" even if he was starring in a hostage tape... >And I could use the models to create the weather -- yes -- Nice Prospero complex! Dude. JS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:28:55 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Songs about Ricola Dan, would you mind subscribing to the list while you're over there, and sending your coordinates to Brianna? Thanks. JS - -----Original Message----- From: Vallor To: loud-fans@smoe.org Date: Monday, June 03, 2002 11:04 PM Subject: [loud-fans] Songs about Ricola >cough ! > > >Shannon & I are heading overseas soon to Prague in the Czech Republic as >well as Budapest and Miskolc in Hungary. > >We know little of these spots 'cept The Plastic People Of The Universe and >that's supposed to be pretty awesome over there. Shannon's speaking at an >event in Miskolc so the college there will show us around, but were walking >blind otherwise. > >If anyone's been to these parts and can shed some light, I'd love to hear >from you. > >Kindly- Dan Vallor > >pist cause I didn't win a Mojo Jojo guitar & amp! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:32:35 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic I said: >I had never heard of this until a couple of weeks ago while, making my >near-annual pilgrimmage to the Ingraham-Dwyers' vacation spot on the Jersey >shore (this used to be called "freeloading") Andy described this to me. I >pointed him to the "Dunderberg Sorry, the ADD kicked in there. Dunderberg Spiral Railway. Forget it, it was a stupid story. Carino and I once had a picnic there, though. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 23:29:47 -0500 From: Holly Kruse Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic Probably adding to the earler Oklahoma geographic center skewage, here in Tulsa, OK the vital stats are: Latitude N 36 9 13 Longitude W 95 59 33 With just one loud-fan in residence, however. Holly (who would happily go to a loud-fans picnic in the SF Bay area but couldn't make it in late July.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:48:46 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic Lat: 40.352236 Lon -074.077364 Very interesting. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:29:06 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Picnic At 10:25 PM -0400 6/3/02, Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com wrote: >Another entry skewing things west: > >Lat: 45.440144 45:26:24.518N >Lon: -122.775938 122:46:33.377W > > -julianne And yet another: Lat: 37.852579 37:51:9.284N Lon: -122.275558 122:16:32.009W Matt Anarchism strives for the establishment of a social order based on brotherhood and love, as against the actual [present] form of society, founded on violence, hatred and rivalry of one class against the other, and of members of one class (the working class) against themselves. Anarchism aims at establishing peace forever among all the races of the earth by the suppression of this fountain of all evils--private property. If this is not a beautiful ideal, what is it? Ricardo Flores Magon, Letter to Henry Weinberger, May 9, 1921 ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #197 *******************************