From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #196 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Monday, June 3 2002 Volume 02 : Number 196 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Picnic [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] Captain Beefheart ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] Captain Beefheart [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic [Carolyn Dorsey ] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic [jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic ["John Swartzentruber" ] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic [jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic [Sue Trowbridge ] Re: [loud-fans] Captain Beefheart [Tim_Walters@digidesign.com] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic ["Roger Winston" ] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic [Elizabeth Brion ] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic ["Roger Winston" ] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic ["John Swartzentruber" ] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Fiver [Michael Mitton ] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic ["John Swartzentruber" ] RE: [loud-fans] Picnic ["Larry Tucker" ] [loud-fans] I thought it was time to post about something completely unimportant ["Aaron Milenski" ] RE: [loud-fans] Captain Beefheart ["Larry Tucker" ] Re: [loud-fans] No Way I'm Flying in That Thing [Chris Prew ] [loud-fans] t+2.5/17 - OKC, OK ["me" ] [loud-fans] Who are we sending these to, again? [michael@zwirn.com] RE: [loud-fans] Picnic [jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic ["CJ" ] RE: [loud-fans] Picnic [Michael Bowen ] Re: [loud-fans] Fiver [Steve Holtebeck ] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic [Michael Mitton ] Re: [loud-fans] Picnic ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] t+2.5/17 - OKC, OK ["Roger Winston" ] [loud-fans] Re: Picnic [Jon Gabriel ] Re: [loud-fans] Fiver [Michael Zwirn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 07:50:59 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > I keep saying we need to do that for the 10th anniversary of the release of > > P&B&R&T, but since that's in January, it would have to be in some > > always-warm part of the country. > > Or we could schedule it for January but then no one could find it until > several months later... but that's the "linda" anniversary, isn't it? i'm interested in hearing more about Carolyn's picnic idea, though. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 09:01:15 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Captain Beefheart >My "It's time to clean the house" CD today was Trout Mask Replica, which I >have never heard before. I guess I have one lingering question: WHAT THE >HELL WAS THAT? I hearby refer you to the book STRANDED. This is the one where Greil Marcus asked a bunch of rock critics to choose their desert island discs. One of the articles in that book explains this album better than I ever thought anyone could. Also, I recommend that when it comes to Beefheart you start with SAFE AS MILK, which is actually a rock and roll record, twisted though it may be. Even though TROUT MASK REPLICA probably is Beefheart's massterpiece I think it's a huge mistake to start there. It's kind of like reading ULYSSES without having read PORTRAIT OF AN ARTIST first. Nonetheless, I'd hope even people who find the music impossible would enjoy the squid commentary. Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 08:40:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: [loud-fans] FROM RITUAL TO ROMANCE available It's finally here (almost)! The Loud Family live CD FROM RITUAL TO ROMANCE will hit the streets June 25th, but you can pre-order it from the 125 Records Web site (http://www.125records.com) to reserve your copy, and pick up great deals on other 125 Records releases. If you pre-order, you will receive the CD on or before the steet date. Tease all your friends by blasting it before they get it! As an added bonus, you can also purchase a special-edition Loud Family T-shirt with the FRTR Loud Family logo on it! Look cool while listening to great music! J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:54:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, dmw wrote: > i'm interested in hearing more about Carolyn's picnic idea, though. Me too. It's been quite a while since there's been a formal (i.e., announced on the list) Loudfans gathering. But yeah, the January thing may present a problem... - --Jeff Jeffrey Norman, Posemodernist University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Dept. of Mumblish & Competitive Obliterature http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ np: Mr. Encrypto (f/k/a Eclipso) _Hero and Villain_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:05:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Captain Beefheart On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Aaron Milenski wrote: > >My "It's time to clean the house" CD today was Trout Mask Replica, which I > >have never heard before. I guess I have one lingering question: WHAT THE > >HELL WAS THAT? > > I hearby refer you to the book STRANDED. This is the one where Greil Marcus > asked a bunch of rock critics to choose their desert island discs. One of > the articles in that book explains this album better than I ever thought > anyone could. Don't know that review - but I guess I'd describe TMR as what might happen if Harry Partch built multi-limbed robotic instruments to play the blues. > Also, I recommend that when it comes to Beefheart you start with SAFE AS > MILK, which is actually a rock and roll record, twisted though it may be. > Even though TROUT MASK REPLICA probably is Beefheart's massterpiece I think > it's a huge mistake to start there. It's kind of like reading ULYSSES > without having read PORTRAIT OF AN ARTIST first. Well, on the strength of a zillion enthusiastic reviews, and on being a Frank Zappa fan, my first Beefheart purchase was TMR. I went on to buy all of it (he went weirdly normal in the mid-seventies, working with Ted Templeman and making sort of laidback California-sounding records like _Bluejeans and Moonbeams_ - but there are still some good moments there). I think _Ice Cream for Crow_ might be a better starting point: it's also a rock record, mostly, but it also has enough of the trademark Beefheart weirdness to let you know what you're in for. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:52:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > It's been quite a while since there's been a formal (i.e., announced on > the list) Loudfans gathering. How about the weekend of July 26 right here in the Bay Area? Belle Da Gama and Jill Olson will be playing at the Starry Plough in Berkeley on the 26th (Friday); we could have the picnic on the 27th. Someone could set up auxiliary picnics on the East Coast and Midwest in case not everyone can make it out here. Though I am sure that we could come up with lots of fun activities to make it worthwhile for folks who want to come West. And since it's almost 2 months away, you all have plenty of time to find a cheap air fare :) - --Sue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 12:59:10 -0700 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic on 6/03/02 9:52 AM, Sue Trowbridge at trow@interbridge.com wrote: > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > >> It's been quite a while since there's been a formal (i.e., announced on >> the list) Loudfans gathering. > > How about the weekend of July 26 right here in the Bay Area? Belle Da Gama > and Jill Olson will be playing at the Starry Plough in Berkeley on the > 26th (Friday); we could have the picnic on the 27th. > > Someone could set up auxiliary picnics on the East Coast and Midwest in > case not everyone can make it out here. Though I am sure that we could > come up with lots of fun activities to make it worthwhile for folks who > want to come West. And since it's almost 2 months away, you all have > plenty of time to find a cheap air fare :) > > --Sue I sure like the idea of having a get together in the Bay area! I wasn't really sure about the logistics of planning a get together but it makes sense to plan for the East and the Midwest. For the East I would suggest either NY or DC-DC being south enough for those in more southern states to make the trip. Carolyn Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 13:17:01 -0400 (EDT) From: jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic Quoting Carolyn Dorsey : For the East I would > suggest > either NY or DC-DC being south enough for those in more southern states > to > make the trip. I vote for the DC area in August. Damn the humidity. JS - ------------------------------------------------- BROOKLYN LAW SCHOOL WEBMAIL: info.brooklaw.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:08:40 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic > I sure like the idea of having a get together in the Bay area! I wasn't > really sure about the logistics of planning a get together but it makes > sense to plan for the East and the Midwest. OR.... we could pick the loud fan closest to the geographic center of the US collection of loud fans (probably west-coast heavy) and go there. i think that might be roger? he's in colorado, i believe... (i know there are a few from across the pond - maybe we should all go over there?) brianna - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 14:18:01 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:08:40 -0700, me wrote: >we could pick the loud fan closest to the geographic center of the US >collection of loud fans (probably west-coast heavy) and go there. i think >that might be roger? he's in colorado, i believe... > >(i know there are a few from across the pond - maybe we should all go over >there?) Everyone should send their longitude and latitude and then we can just average them. Or put them in zones, and average those. And then JeFFrey could collect them and turn them into time signatures and Scott could write a song about them. N380 26.790' W780 52.012' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 14:20:08 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic At 11:08 AM 6/3/2002 -0700, me wrote: >OR.... > >we could pick the loud fan closest to the geographic center of the US >collection of loud fans (probably west-coast heavy) and go there. i think >that might be roger? he's in colorado, i believe... That probably doesn't work, because I think the list is actually more heavily weighted towards east coasters, once you factor in the rather large enclaves in Boston and New York and then add in the DC'ers and southern folks. Outside of the Bay Area and a few folks in Oregon and Washington state, I'm thinkin' the west is actually pretty skimpy on the loud-fans. S NP: WAY OUT -- The Possibilities (way cool mix of psych and early '70s AM-rock -- fans of Outrageous Cherry and late-era Redd Kross take note) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:19:17 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic > Everyone should send their longitude and latitude and then we can just > average them. i'm up for the challenge - send 'em on in and i'll do the math. b - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Swartzentruber" To: Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:08:40 -0700, me wrote: > > >we could pick the loud fan closest to the geographic center of the US > >collection of loud fans (probably west-coast heavy) and go there. i think > >that might be roger? he's in colorado, i believe... > > > >(i know there are a few from across the pond - maybe we should all go over > >there?) > > Everyone should send their longitude and latitude and then we can just > average them. Or put them in zones, and average those. And then JeFFrey > could collect them and turn them into time signatures and Scott could > write a song about them. > > N380 26.790' > W780 52.012' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 14:21:55 -0400 (EDT) From: jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic 400 39' N 730 47' W Quoting John Swartzentruber : > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:08:40 -0700, me wrote: > > >we could pick the loud fan closest to the geographic center of the US > >collection of loud fans (probably west-coast heavy) and go there. i > think > >that might be roger? he's in colorado, i believe... > > > >(i know there are a few from across the pond - maybe we should all go > over > >there?) > > Everyone should send their longitude and latitude and then we can just > average them. Or put them in zones, and average those. And then > JeFFrey > could collect them and turn them into time signatures and Scott could > write a song about them. > > N380 26.790' > W780 52.012' > - ------------------------------------------------- BROOKLYN LAW SCHOOL WEBMAIL: info.brooklaw.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:34:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, me wrote: > > Everyone should send their longitude and latitude and then we can just > > average them. > > i'm up for the challenge - send 'em on in and i'll do the math. If for some crazy reason you don't know your longitude & latitude off the top of your head, you can find out at http://www.reftools.com/reftools/reference/geography/Find%20Longitude%20and%20Latitude.html - --Sue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:25:48 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Captain Beefheart My first Beefheart was DOC AT THE RADAR STATION, and it's still my favorite. It's as weird in its own way as TMR, but with much sharper focus. I know that the murky chaos of TMR is the point for many, but I find it somewhat enervating. DOC has only one cut that's less than perfect, and I don't think even the most devoted fan would say that about TMR. I prefer LICK MY DECALS OFF, BABY from that period. I've never really cottoned to the Captain in "normal" mode, although CLEAR SPOT has its charms. The only thing I've heard from the mid-70s self-admitted sell-out era is "Observatory Crest", which is diabolical. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:30:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, John Swartzentruber wrote: > Everyone should send their longitude and latitude and then we can just > average them. Or put them in zones, and average those. And then JeFFrey > could collect them and turn them into time signatures and Scott could > write a song about them. > > N380 26.790' > W780 52.012' This site gives you the Lat & Long for any address: http://geocode.com/eagle.html Maybe we should all use this to keep the format consistent. Consistency, aside from being the hobgoblin of little minds, is necessary for proper data analysis. Results for Sue & me: Lat: Decimal: 37.894970 Deg:Min:Sec: 37:53:41.892N Lon: Decimal: -122.306375 Deg:Min:Sec: 122:18:22.950W J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:35:17 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu wrote: > Quoting Carolyn Dorsey : > > For the East I would > > suggest > > either NY or DC-DC being south enough for those in more southern states > > to > > make the trip. > > > I vote for the DC area in August. Damn the humidity. > > JS I betcha we could arrange a multiple-loudfan-band show, in that event. Grahame, you still here? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:36:02 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic me on 6/3/2002 12:08:40 PM wrote: > we could pick the loud fan closest to the geographic center of the US > collection of loud fans (probably west-coast heavy) and go there. i think > that might be roger? he's in colorado, i believe... I would certainly be willing to plan/host/organize such an event in the Denver area. It's usually pretty nice here (and in the mountains) in the summer - hot, but not humid. However, I do think it makes more sense to have it in an area where there is already *some* concentration of LoudFans, so less traveling needs to be done and so there is a greater chance for a good turnout. Also, though there may be more people on the east coast, the Bay Area IS where the Loud Family themselves are (were) located. At least one Loud Family member SHOULD be in attendance. (Hi Gil!) Any excuse to visit the Bay Area... Though I have been wanting to visit the east coast too... Who's doing the T-Shirts? Latre. --Rog (N 39 42 17, W 105 4 51) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 13:47:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, John Swartzentruber wrote: > Everyone should send their longitude and latitude and then we can just > average them. Or put them in zones, and average those. And then JeFFrey > could collect them and turn them into time signatures and Scott could > write a song about them. Well, Wire already wrote a song whose chord changes (I think) were dictated by the names of train stations - plus they titled a song "Map Ref. 41N 93W." For some reason, that's in the middle of Iowa: my theory is it's where Buddy Holly died. > > N380 26.790' > W780 52.012' Y'all realize that time signatures can't be just *any* old number (at least not w/o difficulty)? They're not really fractions - but we'll pretend this is a fraction, in which case the nearest relatively accessible time signature would be 7/16. Which is the time of the first or second synth solo in Frank Zappa's "Inca Roads." - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::playing around with the decentered self is all fun and games ::until somebody loses an I. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:46:40 -0700 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic At 11:30 AM -0700 6/3/02, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: >This site gives you the Lat & Long for any address: >http://geocode.com/eagle.html > I'm at Lat: 35.445615 35:26:44.214N Lon: -120.896505 120:53:47.418W Great, more numbers I have to memorize. I'll be in the Bay Area the weekend before the one Sue mentioned, to see Nerissa & Katryna Nields at... um... the place in Berkeley that isn't the Starry Plough. Not sure if I could do two weekends in a row, especially since we'll just have gotten back from our honeymoon, but you never know. (I'm also not sure I'll stay through the whole weekend after the Nields show. Hell, I'm just unsure in general.) In other related-to-nothing news, I just finally broke 100,000 points on my new favorite game, Text Twister. If you, like me, can't find anyone who'll play Scrabble with you because you always win, you might enjoy this too. http://games.yahoo.com/games/texttwist.html It says it isn't compatible with Macintosh or Unix, but nobody told my Mac about that... works fine for me. - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:49:53 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic the decimal version is definately going to be the best option. if you've already sent the other version, i'll re-calculate it. - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- > > Everyone should send their longitude and latitude and then we can just > > average them. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:53:32 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic > Latre. --Rog (N 39 42 17, W 105 4 51) > wow - i take back the 'geographic ceter' comment - you're 300 miles from Beijing! - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Winston" To: "the sound of the collective grumbling " Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic > me on 6/3/2002 12:08:40 PM wrote: > > > we could pick the loud fan closest to the geographic center of the US > > collection of loud fans (probably west-coast heavy) and go there. i think > > that might be roger? he's in colorado, i believe... > > I would certainly be willing to plan/host/organize such an event in the Denver area. It's usually pretty nice here (and in the mountains) in the summer - hot, but not humid. However, I do think it makes more sense to have it in an area where there is already *some* concentration of LoudFans, so less traveling needs to be done and so there is a greater chance for a good turnout. Also, though there may be more people on the east coast, the Bay Area IS where the Loud Family themselves are (were) located. At least one Loud Family member SHOULD be in attendance. (Hi Gil!) > > Any excuse to visit the Bay Area... > Though I have been wanting to visit the east coast too... > > Who's doing the T-Shirts? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 13:00:31 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic me on 6/3/2002 12:53:32 PM wrote: > > > > Latre. --Rog (N 39 42 17, W 105 4 51) > > > > wow - i take back the 'geographic ceter' comment - you're 300 miles from > Beijing! Heh? Hey, I believe everything I read on the Internet, and you should too. How about this, from the site Joe found. Looks pretty much the same: Decimal Degrees Deg:Min:Sec Lat: 39.670864 39:40:15.110N Lon: -105.152447 105:09:8.809W Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:02:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > This site gives you the Lat & Long for any address: > http://geocode.com/eagle.html Mine: Lat: 42.977471 (42:58:38.896N) Lon: -087.907065 (87:54:25.434W) Now if only it could be more specific - so I could, say, specify exactly the latitude and longitude of my TV remote. I think it's mapquest.com that allows you the option of displaying a satellite photo of an address? It was kinda weird - at the best resolution, you could make out, say, who in a two-block radius of our house had a swimming pool. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html Today's Out of Context Quotation: ::"I mean, I castrated pigs and dipped snuff when I was younger":: np: Fiver _Eventually Something Cool Will Happen_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:03:14 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 13:47:31 -0500 (CDT), Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Y'all realize that time signatures can't be just *any* old number (at >least not w/o difficulty)? They're not really fractions Hey, y'all realize I was just _kidding_. Not that it wouldn't be interesting to know where the average loud-fan lives (or is that where the loud-fan average lives?). Personally, I grew fond of 5/8 and 7/8 time signatures in college. We sang quite a bit of Alice Parker, and she seemed to think those were necessary. But what I can't figure out is why Sugarplastic's "Auld Lang Syne in 6/8 time" is in 4/4. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:04:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, me wrote: > > Latre. --Rog (N 39 42 17, W 105 4 51) > > > > wow - i take back the 'geographic ceter' comment - you're 300 miles from > Beijing! Is that Beijing, Ohio? And I think Jon Tveite (is he still here) is nearest the geographical center of the US (if not of us). - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::American people like their politics like Pez - small, sweet, and ::coming out of a funny plastic head. __Dennis Miller__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:08:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, John Swartzentruber wrote: > Hey, y'all realize I was just _kidding_. Not that it wouldn't be > interesting to know where the average loud-fan lives (or is that where > the loud-fan average lives?). "Kidding" on this list is responded to with meta-kidding. Repeat until everyone else is annoyed. We're just lucky that Elliott Carter isn't on the list. Uh, Mr. Carter? - --Jeff, thinking maybe one or two people might get that one J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Let's quit talking about it and start watching it on TV:: __Susan Lowry__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:12:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: [loud-fans] Fiver Says Jeff: > np: Fiver _Eventually Something Cool Will Happen_ Hey, Michael Zwirn and I went last night to see Fiver/Long Winters/Ken Stringfellow. The show was scheduled to start at 9:00, but I guess the club owners were worried about having enough time for the strippers who were, um, playing after Ken, and Fiver went on at 8:00. So we missed them (and missed most of the Long Winters, too). So what's the deal with these guys? Anyone else depressed by the fact that there were maybe 10 people to see Ken, and a 100 to see the strippers that came on after Ken? - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:14:36 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:08:17 -0500 (CDT), Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >> Hey, y'all realize I was just _kidding_. Not that it wouldn't be >> interesting to know where the average loud-fan lives (or is that where >> the loud-fan average lives?). > >"Kidding" on this list is responded to with meta-kidding. Repeat until >everyone else is annoyed. I wasn't "Kidding", I was _kidding_. [just *kidding*] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:16:49 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Picnic First from the NC LF/GT contingent. And hey, ana's a Tarheel now. Lat: 35.774742 35:46:29.071N Lon: -079.137989 79:08:16.760W - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:20:49 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: [loud-fans] I thought it was time to post about something completely unimportant Has anyone else tried Vanilla Coke? What a disappointment! I liked the idea, having enjoyed the vanilla cola I've gotten at restaurants still hip enough to sell "phosphates" and the like, but this stuff is terrible! It has a medicinal aftertaste and fizzes up so much I felt like my mouth was going to explode. Didn't they actually taste it before they finalized the formula? Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:32:22 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] I thought it was time to post about something completely unimportant On Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:20:49 -0400, Aaron Milenski wrote: >Has anyone else tried Vanilla Coke? What a disappointment! I've always thought that "Classic" Coke had such a strong vanilla flavor that I could only drink it with bourbon. The thought of adding more vanilla didn't appeal to me at all. What's next, Lime Pepsi? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 19:34:17 +0000 From: "Brendan Curry" Subject: [loud-fans] 'Tudes Currently: Lat: 40.706520 40:42:23.472N Lon: -073.907471 73:54:26.896W As of July 1: Lat: 40.764375 40:45:51.750N Lon: -073.930752 73:55:50.707W Brendan Curry _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:39:56 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Captain Beefheart |-----Original Message----- |From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com [mailto:Tim_Walters@digidesign.com] |Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:26 PM |To: loud-fans@smoe.org |Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Captain Beefheart | | |My first Beefheart was DOC AT THE RADAR STATION, and it's |still my favorite. It's as weird in its own way as TMR, but |with much sharper focus. I know that the murky chaos of TMR is |the point for many, but I find it somewhat enervating. DOC has |only one cut that's less than perfect, and I don't think even |the most devoted fan would say that about TMR. I prefer LICK |MY DECALS OFF, BABY from that period. Couldn't agree more on DOC, and to that I would ad my favorite which was the first from this "new" band lineup, SHINY BEAST. I saw the band during the DOC tour and they were utterly amazing. |I've never really cottoned to the Captain in "normal" mode, |although CLEAR SPOT has its charms. The only thing I've heard |from the mid-70s self-admitted sell-out era is "Observatory |Crest", which is diabolical. From the 70's I would lean towards SAFE AS MILK followed by CLEAR SPOT, which is certainly more conventional, yet fully entertaining and accessible. - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 12:52:30 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] I thought it was time to post about something completely unimportant At 03:20 PM 6/3/02 -0400, Aaron Milenski wrote: >Has anyone else tried Vanilla Coke? What a disappointment! I liked the >idea, having enjoyed the vanilla cola I've gotten at restaurants still hip >enough to sell "phosphates" and the like, but this stuff is terrible! It >has a medicinal aftertaste and fizzes up so much I felt like my mouth was >going to explode. Didn't they actually taste it before they finalized the >formula? Agreed, it's not so good. Much better: vanilla Stoli and Coke. Mmmm.... Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? _The Holy Bible: The Old Testament_, The Book of Judges, chapter 5, verse 30 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:31:53 -0500 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Picnic In order to skew the results somewhat to the Southwest: Lat: 32.270210 32:16:12.756N Lon: - -111.031397 111:01:53.029W ...which is within three decimal places of where GPS says my living room is. And in order to save this from being completely content-free (although I don't know why I bother), my bank has apparently installed a new entertainment feature for folks at the drive through ATM: a geyser. It bubbles and sputters for a few minutes, and then sprays all over the passenger side of the vehicle at the ATM. Then it quiets down and starts again. Russ np: Les Claypool's Frog Brigade: Live Frogs Set 2 (Animals) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:50:35 -0500 From: Chris Prew Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No Way I'm Flying in That Thing Actually, 41N 93W ends up smack on Des Moines IA, which is about 100 Miles south of Clear Lake, where Buddy Holly & the gang passed away -- so poof goes your theory. It is Clear Lake's sole claim to fame, and the amount of Holly paraphernalia you see in certain restaurants around town is a bit excessive and morbid. Chris Who stopped in Clear Lake a lot as it is approximately halfway between Minneapolis and Iowa State University in Ames. > Well, Wire already wrote a song whose chord changes (I think) were > dictated by the names of train stations - plus they titled a song "Map > Ref. 41N 93W." For some reason, that's in the middle of Iowa: my theory is > it's where Buddy Holly died. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 17:01:03 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Picnic Well, if everyone else is gonna play... Lat: 42.354996 Lon: - -071.126323 And remember, since two LoudFans live at this address, it should technically be counted twice. (Ditto for Sue and Joe, Jo and the JDC and whoever else is married to a fellow listee.) Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:11:12 -0700 From: "me" Subject: [loud-fans] t+2.5/17 - OKC, OK T+ 2.5 hours and 17 participants (incl. multiples at addresses): well, about an hour ago our geographical center was in the Beaver Park Ditch at the corner or B St. and 3rd St. near Florence, CO. now it's about 100 miles NW of Oklahoma City, OK. i'll run another total tonight. i know you're all incredibly excited about this. try to keep yourselves calm... - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 14:17:43 -0700 (PDT) From: michael@zwirn.com Subject: [loud-fans] Who are we sending these to, again? Lat: 45.514339 45:30:51.620N Long: - -122.638825 122:38:19.770W re: last night. Long Winters good, Ken Stringfellow good. Long Winters + Ken Stringfellow maybe less than the sum of their parts. Michael Michael J. Zwirn, Environmental Policy Analyst http://www.zwirn.com michael@zwirn.com Home: 503/232-8919 Cell: 503/887-9800 Fax: 503/232-0228 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:31:57 -0400 From: jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Picnic Quoting Stewart Mason : > And remember, since two LoudFans live at this address, it should > technically be counted twice. (Ditto for Sue and Joe, Jo and the JDC and > whoever else is married to a fellow listee.) I'm guessing with the northeast and southeast concentrations, and especially if we can get those British dudes to weigh in and help counterbalance the northwest US, ground zero will end up being the stage of the Metro Cafe in DC, which is where I thought we should have it in the first place. If Grahame and doug can get us the room in late August, I'll play a set... Seriously, though, I think DC probably is the most reachable major city for the greatest number of loudfans... - -------------------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through Brooklyn Law School WebMail: http://advisor.brooklaw.edu/horde/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:03:14 -0500 From: "CJ" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic I'm in SW Mpls: Lat: 44.896028 (44:53:45.701N) Lon: -093.313321 (93:18:47.956W) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 18:05:22 -0400 From: Michael Bowen Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Picnic Another Northeastern effete liberal snob: Decimal Degrees Deg:Min:Sec Lat: 41.328606 41:19:42.982N Lon: -074.188570 74:11:18.852W MB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:13:10 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fiver Michael Mitton wrote: > Hey, Michael Zwirn and I went last night to see Fiver/Long Winters/Ken > Stringfellow. The show was scheduled to start at 9:00, but I guess the > club owners were worried about having enough time for the strippers who > were, um, playing after Ken, and Fiver went on at 8:00. So we missed them > (and missed most of the Long Winters, too). So what's the deal with these > guys? Fiver "opened" for The Loud Family (who?) on their legendary January 23, 1999 Nineup.com webcast (see http://www.nineup.com/3.0/past/ for frozen-in-time archives of both performances). They're from the CA Central Valley (Modesto), and at least three years ago, sounded quite a lot like their geographical forebearers Pavement and Grandaddy, playing that twisted, slightly off-kilter, indie guitar rock that 20th century kids used to really dig. But they could sound completely different now. > Anyone else depressed by the fact that there were maybe 10 people to see > Ken, and a 100 to see the strippers that came on after Ken? Just be glad you didn't see Ken stripping. He stripped down during the encore of the Posies' first farewell show in SF, and my psyche has been scarred ever since. The Stringfellow/Long Winters/Fiver tour is moving it's way down the west coast, playing the Cafe du Nord in SF tomorrow and the Stork Club in Oakland on Saturday. I'll be at one of those shows, probably the latter one that doesn't require crossing the bridge and staying up late on a school night. Michael Zwirn wrote: > re: last night. Long Winters good, Ken Stringfellow good. Long Winters + > Ken Stringfellow maybe less than the sum of their parts. Are they actually playing together, like onstage at the same time? - -Steve Lat: 37.685529 37:41:7.904N Lon:-122.062442 122:03:44.791W ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:16:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic Lat: 45.377768 Lon: -122.762212 Now, when you're finding the point of minimum distance, you aren't forgetting the fact that earth is curved, are you? BTW, has anyone seen the website www.geocaching.com? If you have a GPS, you can go on your own treasure hunts around your area. I haven't gone out yet, but it actually sounds fun. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:22:26 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic > Lat: 45.377768 > Lon: -122.762212 > > Now, when you're finding the point of minimum distance, you aren't > forgetting the fact that earth is curved, are you? those of us who still live on flat sections of the earth will have less distance to travel, considering the lack of a large bump in our way. - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mitton" Cc: "LFList" Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Picnic > > BTW, has anyone seen the website www.geocaching.com? If you have a GPS, > you can go on your own treasure hunts around your area. I haven't gone > out yet, but it actually sounds fun. > > --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:26:51 -0600 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] t+2.5/17 - OKC, OK me on 6/3/2002 3:11:12 PM wrote: > well, about an hour ago our geographical center was in the Beaver Park Ditch > at the corner or B St. and 3rd St. near Florence, CO. That might've worked out pretty well. It's about 5 miles from the United States Penitentiary (my father is very familiar with the place*). We could take a side trip and go visit. I think some of you (copyright violaters, absinthe makers, pornography distributors, George Lucas apologists, time signature obsessives, etc.) need to be Scared Straight. The sooner the better. Latre. --Rog * - It's not what you think, ya goofballs. 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Zwirn, Environmental Policy Analyst http://zwirn.com michael@zwirn.com Home: 503/232-8919 Cell: 503/887-9800 Fax: 503/232-0228 ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #196 *******************************