From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #194 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Sunday, June 2 2002 Volume 02 : Number 194 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] 3/4 Time [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Songs about Nicola [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Re: Reivers, reissues, etc [Janet Ingraham Dwyer ] Re: [loud-fans] Jeffrey's swap tape (ns) [Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 3/4 Time On Fri, 31 May 2002, John Sharples wrote: > Jeff on Yer Blues: > > > Oh, Jeff! It's in 3/4, and the last two measures of each verse are 4/4! See what happens when I'm nowhere near my stereo? Except for the 12/8 complication, it's a lot easier to follow Tim's hypothetical "how should it be written down so people can learn it?" rule by doing it your way. > Other songs with bits of three in them: I Want You (She's So Heavy) has the > instrumental section that's 12/8, 6/8, and then 2/4. > Within You Without You goes to 3/4 on the line "life flows on within you and > without you" (it occasionall shifts to 5/4 and 2/4 as well!). The whole middle section (the orchestral bit) is in 5/8... - -j ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 13:16:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Songs about Nicola On Fri, 31 May 2002, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Fri, 31 May 2002 Tim_Walters@digidesign.com wrote: > > > My friend Nicola wants to know if there are any songs that mention her > > name. > > There was a Nicola in Boyracer, and I have vague memories of a song > (possibly an instrumental) being named after her. The web is suggesting > I'm wrong, though. Dis- has a song called "Nicolae" - so maybe it's about all the women named Nicola. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: __Robert Desnos__ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 14:57:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Songs about Nicola Nicola Kuperus is 1/2 of the band Adult., who have been getting a lot of press lately (the period is part of the name)... She's an excellent photographer to boot: http://www.ersatzaudio.com/html/art/NMK/nicola.html -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 17:43:24 -0400 From: Janet Ingraham Dwyer Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Reivers, reissues, etc At 09:58 PM 05/31/2002 -0400, John Sharples wrote: >I saw The Reivers when they were still Zeitgeist at Maxwell's once; they >were great. I thought it was interesting that they were forced to change >their name to one that fit them much better (I thought they were going to be >some Kraut electronica band before I heard them). I had the good fortune to be a student deejay at WNUR-Evanston at the time the first Zeitgeist single ("Electra"/"Wherehaus Jamb"/"Freight Train Rain") emerged, and we had in the studio not only an album by the new-agey Zeitgeist that yanked the name from John, Kim, Cindy & Garrett, but another album by yet a third Zeitgeist, some Kraut electronica band. Really. Of course, I was *so* taken with the Zeitgeist single (Our Zeitgeist, that is). I sent some bucks to the address on the sleeve, and received three copies of the single and a very nice note from John Croslin, which I still have. It begins, "We were very flattered at your request for a record, and since you sent us 3 dollars American money we are sending you 3 records." Ah, the music industry. It's just words, nothing more, janet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 22:04:43 -0400 From: Dana Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] Jeffrey's swap tape (ns) Hi all, I thought I'd briefly resurface to post a review of Jeff's swap tape which was actually a double CDR with lovely packaging and professional-sounding transitions between songs. If memory serves, in my instructions I had asked Jeff to try to avoid some of the crap that typically clogs the airwaves on the loud-list, and he was nice enough to oblige. On the plus side, that means that no one has to read yet again about what a clever songwriter Anton Barbeau is. The downside, though, is that I didn't have many comments: Jeff and I have a fair amount of overlap in our musical tastes, and most of the items on his mix were either familiar to me or just sounded familiar in that, "yeah, I think I might have heard that on WFMU" sort of way. While it's all vaguely enjoyable, there wasn't anything that I'd put on a mix tape to try to impress the cute redheaded cashier at the Food Co-op, if you know what I mean. This isn't really a review, but I thought that Jeff would probably want the contents publicly displayed. A few brief comments pop up hither and thither... 1. Komar & Melamid with Dave Soldier "The Most Wanted Music" 2. Peter Thomas Sound Orchestra "Monster" 3. Esquivel "Baia" 4. Aphex Twin "Alberto Balsam" 5. Perrey-Kingsley "Computer in Love" 6. Raymond Scott "Cindy Electronium" 7. Julia Wolfe "East Broadway" performed by Margaret Leng Tan 8. Negativeland "Cara Mia" 9. Stereolab "Long Life Love" 10. Sonic Youth "Come Smash Me Said the Boy with the Magic Penis" -- As far as I can tell, there aren't any non-album Sonic Youth songs rally worth tracking down, with the possible exception of "Genetic." I'm counting the artsy EP things as albums. 11. Tuxedomoon "19th Nervous Breakdown" -- It's kind of fun to try to spot the song. 12. James Chance and the Contortions "Contort Yourself" 13. Ex Models "It's on Television" 14. Mocket "Spot-for-best-Vision" 15. George Jones "No, No, Never" 16. Ornette Coleman "Lonely Woman" 17. The Gordon Highlanders "Battle on the Tyne" 18. Komar & Melamid "The Least Wanted Music" -- K&M were discussed on Loud-fans a while ago. Anyone who hasn't heard this might want to check it out for a quick snarky chuckle, but it's probably not worth buying. Be suspicious of music that's worthless without its liner notes. Side 2 1. Now It's Overhead "Hi" 2. God "Black Jesus" 3. Olivier Messiaen "Louange a l'Eternite de Jesus" 4. Morton Subotnick Silver Apples of the Moon part 1 5. The Microphones "Moon Moon Moon" -- interesting because it sounds an awful lot like a track from the Hair and Skin Trading Company's wonderful "Psychedelische Musique (Lava Surf Kunst)" which, despite its mouthful of a name, is the best 99 cents I've spent on music this year. The Microphones, who I initially thought might be good, turn out not to be so swell: Epitonic seems to have cherry-picked most of their best tracks. 6. Kilopop! "Sky Men" 7. The Bonzo Dog Band "Mr. Apollo" -- neat song, probably the best on the CDRs. 8. Divine Styler "Mystic Sheep Drink Electric Tea" 9. The Moving Parts "Lust" 10. Bruford "Plans for J.D." 11. Thought Gang "The Black Dog Runs at Night" 12. Sleepytime Gorilla Museum "Ablutions" 13. Sam Hinton "Old Man Atom" 14. Mazarin "Wheats" -- not as good as I thought they'd be. 15. Sons of the Pioneers "Tumbling Tumbleweeds" -- I'd only heard the version from the Boettcher album on Poptones which, IMHO, is the best of the four releases that came out around the same time. 16. The Cowsills "The Rain, The Park, and Other Things" 17. Alec Empire "When You've Reached your Peak" 18. Lou Reed [Jeff made a special, compact version of Metal Machine Music, using methods best explained by himself] -- This is actually very nice, and dare I say, tranquil in the same way that watching patterns in tv static is relaxing. Hey Jeff, what meter is this in anyway? I can't quite get it : ) 19. The Goblins "The Clown is Getting Married" Thank you Jeff, and I hope that everyone is well. I'm going back to killing slugs and feeding the baby pigeon. And (as of today, when I was re-reading Bad Behavior) wondering just what Mary Gaitskill has against pigeons anyway. Such a misunderstood animal. By the way, does everyone know that pigeons are the only bird (well, I'm not sure about other doves) that produce milk for their young? Good to know. Now if I could just get them to eat those horrible slugs. Slugs don't eat marigolds, they tell you? Well they lie!!!! So now I'm buying beer for a bunch of voracious, slimy, one-footed guests on a regular basis. We'll see if copper foil gets them to leave my poor plants alone. Bye. - --dana ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 19:44:38 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jeffrey's swap tape (ns) At 10:04 PM -0400 6/1/02, Dana Paoli wrote: > >Thank you Jeff, and I hope that everyone is well. I'm going back to >killing slugs and feeding the baby pigeon. And (as of today, when I was >re-reading Bad Behavior) wondering just what Mary Gaitskill has against >pigeons anyway. Such a misunderstood animal. By the way, does everyone >know that pigeons are the only bird (well, I'm not sure about other >doves) that produce milk for their young? Good to know. Now if I could >just get them to eat those horrible slugs. Slugs don't eat marigolds, >they tell you? Well they lie!!!! So now I'm buying beer for a bunch of >voracious, slimy, one-footed guests on a regular basis. We'll see if >copper foil gets them to leave my poor plants alone. Dana, it's nice to hear from you! Two comments: 1) I read BAD BEHAVIOR in the late 80s, not long after it was first published. I don't rate Mary G too highly; she seems a little overly impressed with her own "transgressiveness", like all those LUGs back in college who'd just discovered sex with girls and wouldn't shut up about it. 2) "Milk" is a euphemistic term for what is basically regurgitated food. I'll admit it sounds nicer to say that pigeons produce milk for their chicks than that they barf up semi-digested food for them, but--you know, nature red in tooth and claw... :) Matt Anarchist doctrine can be summed up in a single word: liberty. Sebastian Faure, Anarchy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 23:06:14 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jeffrey's swap tape (ns) >At 10:04 PM -0400 6/1/02, Dana Paoli wrote: >> Slugs don't eat marigolds, >>they tell you? Well they lie!!!! So now I'm buying beer for a bunch of >>voracious, slimy, one-footed guests on a regular basis. We'll see if >>copper foil gets them to leave my poor plants alone. How about salt? Matthew: >Dana, it's nice to hear from you! Seconded! she seems a little overly >impressed with her own "transgressiveness", like all those LUGs back >in college who'd just discovered sex with girls and wouldn't shut up >about it. Yeah, but in all fairness, I don't know too many people who can shut up about it after they discover sex with girls. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 20:42:12 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jeffrey's swap tape (ns) At 11:06 PM -0400 6/1/02, John Sharples wrote: > >Matthew: > >she seems a little overly > >impressed with her own "transgressiveness", like all those LUGs back > >in college who'd just discovered sex with girls and wouldn't shut up > >about it. > > >Yeah, but in all fairness, I don't know too many people who can shut up >about it after they discover sex with girls. You do have a point. Matt Anarchist doctrine can be summed up in a single word: liberty. Sebastian Faure, Anarchy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 23:34:43 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jeffrey's swap tape (ns) At Saturday 6/1/2002 10:04 PM -0400, the long absent Dana Paoli wrote: >So now I'm buying beer for a bunch of >voracious, slimy, one-footed guests on a regular basis. God, you have just described my life in excruciating detail. At Saturday 6/1/2002 11:06 PM -0400, the omnipresent John Sharples wrote: >Yeah, but in all fairness, I don't know too many people who can shut up >about it after they discover sex with girls. What is this "sex with girls" that I keep hearing so much about? Some new Power Pop band I should be listening to? Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #194 *******************************