From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #190 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, May 30 2002 Volume 02 : Number 190 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Vicki Peterson ["O Geier" ] Re: [loud-fans] Vicki Peterson [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] About A Boy [Aaron Mandel ] [loud-fans] boy, about a badly drawn [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] Vicki Peterson [Steve Holtebeck ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 14:48:43 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: [loud-fans] Vicki Peterson Just watched the Bangles concert at hob.com from last year. Vicki really works her ass off on stage (the Continental Drifters seems to keep her chops up). And man, I never realized how cute she is (Given Ms. Hoffs presence, I guess it'll happen). I never really appreciated the Bangles until I started re-evaluating them. They really do hold up well. For a band that divided up the singing duties so much, it was a real shame to market it as a Susanna Hoffs showcase. Support anti-Spam legislation Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:34:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Vicki Peterson On Wed, 29 May 2002, O Geier wrote: > Ms. Hoffs presence, I guess it'll happen). I never really appreciated > the Bangles until I started re-evaluating them. They really do hold up > well. For a band that divided up the singing duties so much, it was a > real shame to market it as a Susanna Hoffs showcase. Didn't that happen only after their unfortunate encounters with The Purple One, ultra-slick production, and producers who insisted on using primarily outside writers instead of their own tracks? I really liked the first EP and the first album, but after that it was a steady decline...which seemed to coincide with Hoffs' induction into the "starmaking machinery." - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: __Robert Desnos__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 11:59:21 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Vicki Peterson >Didn't that happen only after their unfortunate encounters with The Purple >One, ultra-slick production, and producers who insisted on using primarily >outside writers instead of their own tracks? I really liked the first EP >and the first album, but after that it was a steady decline...which seemed >to coincide with Hoffs' induction into the "starmaking machinery." I won't get into the production issues with DIFFERENT LIGHT, which makes my list of ten worst albums ever, but I'll suggest that they were talented musicians and singers, and that ALL OVER TEH PLACE had a wonderful sound, but they were never especially good songwriters and wouldn't have lasted too long even without the DIFFERENT LIGHT debacle. As I see it, they wrote only three great songs ("James," "Hero Takes A Fall" and "Tell Me"), and even on ALL OVER THE PLACE the two best songs were cover versions. I guess I'm just bitter over the fact that more people have heard their cover of "September Gurls" than have heard the original. Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:28:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] About A Boy On Tue, 28 May 2002, Michael Mitton wrote: > It didn't seem very distinctive to me. Are their soundtrack tunes > typical or atypical of the rest of their music? Haven't heard the soundtrack, but indeed his music is often undistinctive. I realize that a lot of people like him as a songwriter, but after several listens to The Hour Of Bewilderbeast I found it hard to think of him as an innovator. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 14:15:50 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] boy, about a badly drawn for what it's worth, after about two spins through i thought the soundtrack album was actually more, um, assertively song-oriented than "hour of..." the stuff sounds perfectly pleasant to me, but very little of it sticks. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 14:43:24 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Vicki Peterson Aaron Milenski wrote: > I won't get into the production issues with DIFFERENT LIGHT, which makes my > list of ten worst albums ever, but I'll suggest that they were talented > musicians and singers, and that ALL OVER TEH PLACE had a wonderful sound, > but they were never especially good songwriters and wouldn't have lasted too > long even without the DIFFERENT LIGHT debacle. As I see it, they wrote only > three great songs ("James," "Hero Takes A Fall" and "Tell Me"), and even on > ALL OVER THE PLACE the two best songs were cover versions. As I see it, the Bangles wrote three great songs on the first side of their first EP, and at least a dozen more after that. Most (all?) of their big hits were written by other people, but all four members can easily claim to writing at least one song each on their three albums, which comes out to at least a dozen, mathematically speaking. And I think DIFFERENT LIGHT is a pretty decent album, perhaps a little slick and of its time thanks to David Kahne's production (so is ALL OVER THE PLACE) but it's definitely not one of the ten worst albums ever. I don't see how a multi-platinum album with four hits can be called a "debacle", because I'm sure it accomplished exactly what the band and label intended. > I guess I'm just bitter over the fact that more people have heard > their cover of "September Gurls" than have heard the original. Their cover of "September Gurls" is pretty tame, but it did give Alex a nice check and exposure to his music, and the other covers exposed their fans to talented and underappreciated songwriters like Emitt Rhodes, Kimberley Rew, Jules Shear, and whoever wrote "How Is The Air Up There?". When I saw them last year in San Jose, at least half the songs they played besides their handful of hits was a cover ("Pushin' Too Hard", "I'm Not Talkin'", "Waiting For The Man", "You Were On My Mind"), and I think exposing their fans to those great songs is a Good Thing. Steve ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #190 *******************************