From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #182 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, May 22 2002 Volume 02 : Number 182 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] rant! ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] rant! [zkk46@ttacs.ttu.edu] [loud-fans] Stevie Moore/Jad Fair collaboration [Carolyn Dorsey ] [loud-fans] Free money (fwd) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 08:45:03 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] rant! Jeff did not like the X-Files finale! I didn't love it either, but even so: >First, this was the most egregious use of padding to make a two-hour >"special" episode I've ever seen. Worse than the final episode of Seinfeld? I think not! >Oh, and the trial itself was utterly pointless. In terms of plot, it was, but I think it served a very important function for the viewers, espcially those ho only sporadically watched during the last two years. Finally, in one place and at one time, the entire history of the conspiracy and the aliens has been clearly spelled out so that we can all understand exactly what happened. It may not have made for as interesting a final episode as I had hoped for, but I do think it was important for them to make everything finally clear. Of course, they then again confused the issue by what came after... >Uh-and, this is at least the second time that, all of a sudden, Kirsch >becomes the good guy after demonstrating strenuously what an asshole he >is. And anyone would trust him *why*? No one did trust him. I just think it makes more sense for him to have something of a conscience than for him to be pure evil like Cancerman. I would argue that he intended to be a good guy from the beginning of this episode (despite his "I should have done this from the start" comment), but the only way he had any control over the situation was to folow orders and go through with the trial. >The show should have received a mercy killing at the end of season 7. >That, alas, was two full seasons ago. This I agree with! Actually, I think the better thing to do would have been to let Scully and Mulder leave the show at that point, him to go on his spaceship, and her to have a healthy, normal baby, and for them to continue a new show with Doggett and Reyes (and keep Skinner), kind of like X-Files: The Next Generation. That had potential, but the awkward way they included Scully and the hint of Mulder during the last two years was what made the show fail, in my opinion. Of course, if they hadn't done so, the ratings would have dropped even sooner... Aaron, wondering if the list will generate much discussion about the season ender of 24 or the final episode of Felicity, and also wondering if I'm the only one who's disappointed that The Education of Max Bickford will not be renewed. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:36:36 -0500 From: zkk46@ttacs.ttu.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] rant! Quoting Aaron Milenski : > Jeff did not like the X-Files finale! > > I didn't love it either, but even so: > > >First, this was the most egregious use of padding to make a two-hour > >"special" episode I've ever seen. > > Worse than the final episode of Seinfeld? I think >not! Actually, I thought the final Seinfeld was kind of clever - not necessarily compelling tv, but clever. The guys are put on trial showing how thoughtless and uncaring about others they are, and then in the last scene, the dialogue leaps back to the same conversation that started out the very first episode (the lines about the buttons), so they were trapped in some sort of never-ending vicious cycle of self absorbtion. I thought it was clever because it's not the touchy, feely, happy ending most shows go for where everyone lives happily ever after, having grown as people over the course of the show. They all stayed exactly the same. I thought the x-files ender was ok, and the Simpsons was the first episode ever where I got the feeling they were scraping the bottom of the barrel as far as plots go. Is that not the 4th or 5th episode with some badly attached random surprise ending? We don't have last names, like Cher, Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 10:38:37 -0700 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: [loud-fans] Stevie Moore/Jad Fair collaboration This will be coming out soon on Old Gold Records from Atlanta. Carolyn http://www.angelfire.com/pop/kryso/fairmoore.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 13:06:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: [loud-fans] when life gives you CARP, make gefilte fish So now that the Librarian Of Congress has scotched the proposed royalty system on webcast radio, it occurring to me that I should really listen to the stuff sometime. My means of finding out about new music have fallen off a lot lately. Any suggestions? I use Linux at work, and Realplayer is the only streaming gadget I'm sure functions. Presumably I could play mp3 streams too; I've just never tried. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 13:22:17 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] when life gives you CARP, make gefilte fish At 01:06 PM 5/21/2002 -0400, Aaron Mandel wrote: >Any suggestions? I use Linux at work, and Realplayer is the only streaming >gadget I'm sure functions. Presumably I could play mp3 streams too; I've >just never tried. When it comes to radio stations who stream their signal on their websites, I've never bothered to listen to anything but WFMU (since I can now listen to WMBR on a proper radio). Other than that, www.live365.com has the widest variety of streams, though there's a ton of chaff in there alongside the wheat, and the ads can be annoying at times. The BBC streams and archives a lot of their shows, including John Peel, on their website as well. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:49:15 -0500 From: Chris Prew Subject: Re: [loud-fans] when life gives you CARP, make gefilte fish There are some cool things at http://www.somafm.com. I frequently listen to "Indiepop Radio" which is available in low and high bandwidth. According to the above site, the CARP hasn't been scotched quite yet - just delayed. Chris Looking forward to the Buffy season closer tonight - I've been expecting this scenario all season, but I still can't wait. > So now that the Librarian Of Congress has scotched the proposed royalty > system on webcast radio, it occurring to me that I should really listen to > the stuff sometime. My means of finding out about new music have fallen > off a lot lately. > > Any suggestions? I use Linux at work, and Realplayer is the only streaming > gadget I'm sure functions. Presumably I could play mp3 streams too; I've > just never tried. > > a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 10:50:38 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] when life gives you CARP, make gefilte fish KFJC (www.kfjc.org) is a great station. They've even been known to play the Loud Family (including broadcasting their Terrastock set both live and as a re-run). They're currently doing their annual "Month of Mayhem", which means lots of special programming, especially single-artist-focus shows. Less useful for keeping up with new stuff than their usual programming, but very enjoyable. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:13:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] when life gives you CARP, make gefilte fish Aaron Mandel said: > Any suggestions? I use Linux at work, and Realplayer is the only > streaming gadget I'm sure functions. Presumably I could play mp3 > streams too; I've just never tried. mpg123 and xmms (both installed by default with many Linux distros) should both work for streaming. [blatantselfpromo] I have a stream with Live365, where you can hear the Loud Family (and Ornette Coleman, and Boards of Canada, and Technical Itch, and Pedro the Lion, and Lee Hazlewood, and Les Baxter, and Negativland, and Orange Cake Mix, and Pixies, and Broadcast, and...) at http://www.live365.com/stations/20005 [/blatantselfpromo] -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:22:53 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] when life gives you CARP, make gefilte fish Tim_Walters@digidesign.com wrote: > KFJC (www.kfjc.org) is a great station. They've even been known to play the Loud > Family (including broadcasting their Terrastock set both live and as a re-run). KFJC also had the Loud Family play in their studio in December 1999, before the release of Attractive Nuisance. With all deference to WFMU, who also hosted the LF, it would take a lot to convince me that KFJC isn't the greatest radio station on our planet. > They're currently doing their annual "Month of Mayhem", which means lots of > special programming, especially single-artist-focus shows. Less useful for > keeping up with new stuff than their usual programming, but very enjoyable. Here's the list of KFJC Mayhem specials, if anyone is interested: http://www.kfjc.org/mayhem/descriptions.html looking forward to tomorrow's four-hour Julian Cope special Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 15:24:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] rant! On Tue, 21 May 2002, Aaron Milenski wrote: > Jeff did not like the X-Files finale! > > I didn't love it either, but even so: > > >First, this was the most egregious use of padding to make a two-hour > >"special" episode I've ever seen. > > Worse than the final episode of Seinfeld? I think not! "...I've ever seen": I didnt' see the Seinfeld finale, ergo... > In terms of plot, it was, but I think it served a very important function > for the viewers, espcially those ho only sporadically watched during the > last two years. And aside from people like me, who'd been fans and then gave up, how many of those could be expected to tune in...and stay with the entire deadly dull episode? Anyway: I think it's impossible to really straighten out the mytharc, and the real problem is that Carter & co. have managed not to make us care: by having characters unmotivatedly act in un-character-istic ways (Scully was particularly afflicted by this) and by taking things in general way too seriously. I actually *liked* the previous week's "Brady Bunch" episode, sipmly because it was so essentially silly (well, okay, there was some seriousness there - but they were unafraid to have fun with it as well). Finally, in one place and at one time, the entire history > of the conspiracy and the aliens has been clearly spelled out so that we can > all understand exactly what happened. It may not have made for as > interesting a final episode as I had hoped for, but I do think it was > important for them to make everything finally clear. Of course, they then > again confused the issue by what came after... First part (up to last sentence): I at least no longer give a rat's ass. For me, the show was about character - in particular, about Mulder and Scully primarily, obviously, but also about Skinner, the Lone Gunmen - even Krycek, CSM, etc. Robert Patrick and Annabeth Gish tried gamely to breathe life into their characters, and did as good a job as they could - but I don't think the writers really cared about character anymore. Second part (last sentence): but of course - that's been 1013's modus operandi all along. > >Uh-and, this is at least the second time that, all of a sudden, Kirsch > >becomes the good guy after demonstrating strenuously what an asshole he > >is. And anyone would trust him *why*? > > No one did trust him. I just think it makes more sense for him to have > something of a conscience than for him to be pure evil like Cancerman. I Cancerman *was* more complex than pure evil - or maybe William B. Davis is just a better actor than [Guy Who Plays Kirsch]. And perhaps they didn't "trust" Kirsch, in the fullest sense of the word...but they didn't, say, handcuff him to the steering wheel of the nearest car and let him know what they thought of his courtroom performance. > would argue that he intended to be a good guy from the beginning of this > episode (despite his "I should have done this from the start" comment), but > the only way he had any control over the situation was to folow orders and > go through with the trial. Maybe...then why did not that conflict show in his delivery or in his face? (Maybe the "better actor" issue is a problem...) > Actually, I think the better thing to do would have been to let Scully and > Mulder leave the show at that point, him to go on his spaceship, and her to > have a healthy, normal baby, and for them to continue a new show with > Doggett and Reyes (and keep Skinner), kind of like X-Files: The Next > Generation. That had potential, but the awkward way they included Scully > and the hint of Mulder during the last two years was what made the show > fail, in my opinion. Could be. Frankly, I'd've rather had a clean break: end the series, maybe make a movie, and then a few years later do TNG. In other words, follow the Star Trek model. > Aaron, wondering if the list will generate much discussion about the season > ender of 24 Man, y'all better post spoiler warnings on 24 - we're probably not going to watch it until Wednesday night, what with the simultaneous 2-hr. Buffy season-ender... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism:: np: V-Roys comp Miles made me (actually, a copy I made for some friends. Quick! Call Jamie Kellner!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 16:53:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] Free money (fwd) Since we're so very very quiet in here (what, is this a Bjork video? Bring on the dancing mailboxes!), I'll forward some spam: - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:27:22 -1600 On January 1st 2002, the European countries began using the new Euro. Never before have so many countries with such powerful economies united to use a single currency. Get your piece of history now! We would like to send you a FREE Euro and a FREE report on world currency. Just visit our site to request your Euro: http://www.new-opps4u.com/eurocurrencyexchange/ - -------------------------- Wonder what would happen if I set up a program to send a message, and then send another message and copy all previously sent messages...? Exponential free euros... What I really want to know is: are these the good euros with the tomatoes, onions, and yogurt sauce? - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::In terms of the conjunctures of cultures, [LA is] less like a salad bowl ::and more like a TV dinner with those little aluminium barriers keeping ::all the vegetables in their places. __Catherine Ann Driscoll__ np: Vitesse _What Can Not Be, But Is..._ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:21:44 -0300 From: John F Butland Subject: [loud-fans] CD Crack: Magic Marker Indeed Hi-tech strikes again - gotta love it. No mention if the marker has to be green. CD Crack: Magic Marker Indeed Reuters 11:35 a.m. May 20, 2002 PDT LONDON -- Technology buffs have cracked music publishing giant Sony Music's elaborate disc copy-protection technology with a decidedly low-tech method: scribbling around the rim of a disk with a felt-tip marker. Internet newsgroups have been circulating news of the discovery for the past week, and in typical newsgroup style, users have pilloried Sony for deploying "hi-tech" copy protection that can be defeated by paying a visit to a stationery store. "I wonder what type of copy protection will come next?" one posting on alt.music.prince read. "Maybe they'll ban markers." Sony did not immediately return calls seeking comment. Major music labels, including Sony and Universal Music, have begun selling the "copy-proof" discs as a means of tackling the rampant spread of music piracy, which they claim is eating into sales. The new technology aims to prevent consumers from copying, or "burning," music onto recordable CDs or onto their computer hard drives, which can then be shared with other users over file-sharing Internet services such as Kazaa or Morpheus MusicCity. On Monday, Reuters obtained an ordinary copy of Celine Dion's newest release "A New Day Has Come," which comes embedded with Sony's "Key2Audio" technology. After an initial attempt to play the disc on a PC resulted in failure, the edge of the shiny side of the disc was blackened out with a felt tip marker. The second attempt with the marked-up CD played and copied to the hard drive without a hitch. Internet postings claim that tape or even a sticky note can also be used to cover the security track, typically located on the outer rim of the disc. And there are suggestions that copy protection schemes used by other music labels can also be circumvented in a similar way. Sony's proprietary technology, deployed on many recent releases, works by adding a track to the copy-protected disc that contains bogus data. Because computer hard drives are programmed to read data files first, the computer will continuously try to play the bogus track first. It never gets to play the music tracks located elsewhere on the compact disc. The effect is that the copy-protected disc will play on standard CD players but not on computer CD-Rom drives, some portable devices and even some car stereo systems. Some Apple Macintosh users have reported that playing the disc in the computer's CD drive causes the computer to crash. The cover of the copy-protected discs contain a warning that the album will not play on Macintoshes or other personal computers. Apple has since posted a warning on its website . Sony Music Europe has taken the most aggressive anti-piracy stance in the business. Since last fall, the label has shipped more than 11 million copy-protected discs in Europe, with the largest proportion going to Germany, a market label executives claim is rife with illegal CD-burning. best, jfb John F Butland O- butland@nbnet.nb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 19:32:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: [loud-fans] Bic Defeats Copy Protection! I know there was a thread on copy protected CDs recently, and I didn't pay close attention to it. So I apologize if this is a repeat. Anyway, it looks like the fancy new copy protection scheme for CDs can be defeated by running a felt tip marker around the outer edge of the CD: http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/industry/05/21/bc.media.cd.piracy.reut.reut/index.html - --Michael http://www.filmatters.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:44:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] ThieVo Here's another followup on "skipping ads is theft," this time from a semi-legalistic perspective: http://writ.news.findlaw.com/commentary/20020509_sprigman.html - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::To be the center of the universe, don't orbit things:: __Scott Miller__ ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #182 *******************************