From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #178 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, May 18 2002 Volume 02 : Number 178 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Question--tell the truth [jenny grover ] [loud-fans] gt live [Aaron Mandel ] RE: [loud-fans] gt live ["Larry Tucker" ] Re: [loud-fans] Question--tell the truth [Tim_Walters@digidesign.com] Re: [loud-fans] Question--tell the truth [Sue Trowbridge ] Re: [loud-fans] Question--tell the truth [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] Question--tell the truth [Stewart Mason ] RE: [loud-fans] Question--tell the truth ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] my boss's melon ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] my boss's melon [Dave Walker ] RE: [loud-fans] gt live [Gil Ray ] Re: [loud-fans] Question--tell the truth [Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Question--tell the truth At Thursday 5/16/2002 09:44 PM -0700, Carolyn Dorsey wrote: >Do you look at the keys when you type? In our typing class we had drills and tests where we were not allowed to look at the keys. We were given a specific amount of time to type a copy of a document, usually a minute. We then were to figure our words per minute, but required to subtract a certain number of words per minute (10, I think) for every mistake. I could splat out 40 words per minute, but ended up with negative words per minute a few times and ended up with an average of about 20 words per minute for the semester. My mom could type too fast for a ball typewriter (my dad had a Selectric). The ball couldn't always keep up and it would insert dashes when it couldn't get to a letter fast enough. She used to hate my Brother key electric that I got for college, because the keys were slow to retract and she had to slow way down or else they jammed. Her last typing test for a job clocked her at 88 words per minute. I have gotten a lot faster at typing over the years, but I still make a lot of mistakes. I don't look at the keys most of the time, except sometimes for numbers and symbols, or if I get off the home keys and have to find my way back. It's always something of a struggle whenever we get a new keyboard for the computer, because they tend to be spaced differently and have different size keys for certain functions, and that messes me up getting used to the new ones. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 03:35:50 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Question--tell the truth A further typing question for you- when you are typing a copy of something (entering data into a computer, or copying from reference material), do you look at what is going on the screen or paper during the course of typing it, or correct it all at the end or the end of a page? My typing teacher was very big on not letting us look at what was actually being typed, only what we were copying, until we were done. This resulted in some interesting exercises in Welsh, and also my negating an entire quiz because the paper jammed in the carriage return, rendering the document unreadable and ungradable. I didn't know it was jammed, because I didn't look! You'd think I'd have gotten credit for that, at least. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 08:33:09 -0500 From: "Kunkel, Mark" Subject: [loud-fans] TSOOL on 6 Ft Under From the Parasol records listserv: Claire Fisher from HBO's celebrated series Six Feet Under will be rockin' Parasol-style with TSOOL on this Sunday's episode. So prick up your ears when watching this week's episode for their song "Sister Surround." Love The Soundtrack of Our Lives. Never seen Six Feet Under, though. _____________________________________________________ Mark D. Kunkel Legislative Attorney Legislative Reference Bureau (608) 266-0131 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 12:08:43 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Question--tell the truth On Fri, 17 May 2002, jenny grover wrote: > A further typing question for you- when you are typing a copy of > something (entering data into a computer, or copying from reference > material), do you look at what is going on the screen or paper during > the course of typing it, or correct it all at the end or the end of a > page? My typing teacher was very big on not letting us look at what was > actually being typed, only what we were copying, until we were done. > This resulted in some interesting exercises in Welsh, and also my > negating an entire quiz because the paper jammed in the carriage return, > rendering the document unreadable and ungradable. I didn't know it was > jammed, because I didn't look! You'd think I'd have gotten credit for > that, at least. heee. i never look at the keys except when i'm using some weird notebook thing and i have to go hunting for the tilde or the like. when copying i tend to look at the screen about every paragraph or so. i made pocket money in college typing term papers for folks; i think i did about 80wpm. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:10:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: [loud-fans] gt live There was a GT live show that made the rounds in mp3 a while back, and I'm listening to it now realizing I don't know when or where it was done... Set list: I've Tried Subtlety / Girl w/Guitar / Shark Pretty / Frontierland / Verb / 24 / Waltz / Rayon / Make Any Vows / Book Of Millionaires / Real Nighttime / Never Mind / Friend Of The Family / Girl Jesus / Beach State Rocking / The Letter / Selfish Again Before "Shark" Scott says "doing another one from the somewhat distant past..." So, probably the BSC tour, but if anyone has a more specific time to satisfy my curiousity that would be great. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:27:13 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] gt live |-----Original Message----- |From: Aaron Mandel [mailto:aaron@eecs.harvard.edu] |Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 1:10 PM |To: Where They've Got Such A Stem |Subject: [loud-fans] gt live | | |There was a GT live show that made the rounds in mp3 a while |back, and I'm listening to it now realizing I don't know when |or where it was done... | |Set list: I've Tried Subtlety / Girl w/Guitar / Shark Pretty / |Frontierland / Verb / 24 / Waltz / Rayon / Make Any Vows / |Book Of Millionaires / Real Nighttime / Never Mind / Friend Of |The Family / Girl Jesus / Beach State Rocking / The Letter / |Selfish Again | |Before "Shark" Scott says "doing another one from the somewhat |distant past..." | |So, probably the BSC tour, but if anyone has a more specific |time to satisfy my curiousity that would be great. Aaron, judging from the setlist, this is from a boot that I bought off Ebay a year or so ago. I made copies for a bunch of loudfans to save them from getting ripped by this Ebay seller who was selling CDRs of the boot. The CD was labelled Atlanta Live '84 or something like that, but I think it was determined that this must have been from the '85 BSC tour. - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:23:34 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Question--tell the truth I was a secretary for many years, and in my salad days could type 110 wpm. Tendonitis and lack of practice have taken their toll, however; I got 85 (sloppy) or 79 (careful) on the online test. Alas for lost youth. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 15:57:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Question--tell the truth On Thu, 16 May 2002 zkk46@ttacs.ttu.edu wrote: > I could only type about 25 words a minute in HS with > about 10 errors per line, and that was on a computer, > and we could use the backspace key on the tests. I took a typing class in eighth grade, and was by far the fastest typist in the class -- I think I got up to 60 WPM. I just took the typing test Brianna posted, and scored 110 WPM. I am usually a fairly modest person, but I must say that I am an amazingly good typist. The sad thing is that - -- IT'S TYPING!!! What a lowly skill! If only I could write like Anne Tyler or sing like Patsy Cline. I mean, who wants to be the best at TYPING? The only time I was really proud of this ability was during the height of the dotcom boom, when I was briefly able to earn lots of $$$ for typing during live online chats. I would be on the phone with Deepak Chopra, Helen Thomas or whoever the guest celeb of the day was, reading the questions submitted by users, and I would type the responses in real time. And, no, I don't look at the keyboard unless I'm typing a special character. > music: ?Anybody else think that Yankee Hotel Foxtrot > sounds kinda like a Pavement record? The really sleepy > vocals on most of the songs scream 'Range Life' > and 'Bring on the Major Leagues' to me. "Heavy Metal Drummer" sounds so much like Pavement, it's scary. The rest of it reminds me of the slow songs of latter-day Pavement crossed with the weirdness of their early singles & EPs. However, I don't *love* it the way I love Pavement. YHF is a good album, but it hasn't fully clicked with me yet. - --Sue np: Talking Heads, MORE SONGS ABOUT BUILDINGS & FOOD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:00:38 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Question--tell the truth sue says: > Brianna posted, and scored 110 WPM. I am usually a fairly modest person, > but I must say that I am an amazingly good typist. The sad thing is that > -- IT'S TYPING!!! What a lowly skill! i don't know.. i think that's pretty kick-ass. if i could type that fast, that accurately, i'd be pretty impressed with myself. and it sounds like it meant you go to talk to some cool folks. i think i need to go take the test again - i just realized that i took it at home on my new regular keyboard, which i can't stand. i think i'll go try it on my ergo board. ... bleh! i took Fishing in Finland, and got 42 wpm, errors on 5 words, net 37 wpm, 88% accuracy. i guess all those years of regular keyboards stuck. - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 16:08:47 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Question--tell the truth On Fri, 17 May 2002, me wrote: > i think i need to go take the test again - i just realized that i took it at > home on my new regular keyboard, which i can't stand. i think i'll go try > it on my ergo board. yeah, i took it (measly 71) here at the consulting gig, with a clunky keybd and horrible ergonomics. interestingly (to me at least) i could feel myself slowing down whenever i got to soemthing that isn't really a word, like "telecom," and it took me twice as long to type "internet" as it would've to type "Internet." - -- d. np v/a _field & stream_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 16:18:41 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Question--tell the truth At 11:56 PM 5/16/2002 -0700, me@justanotherfuckin.com wrote: >or you can just go here and find out how fast you REALLY type. > >http://www.typingtest.com/ I only managed 45 words per minute (taking the Huck Finn and Fishing in Finland tests, 2 minutes each, same score both times), but I also got 100% accuracy in both. Anyone who has seen my utterly bizarre typing style (my left hand stays utterly still and only works Shift, Space and the first five columns of keys, with all typing on the right side of the keyboard being done by one finger that flies over the right side of the keyboard without any knowledge of the usual "home row" concept) has to admit that that's actually pretty good for such an unorthodox manner. Thing is, this is the way I taught myself to type as a kid, and I can't type any other way. Believe me, I've *tried* taking typing courses, but it just won't stick. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 15:37:07 -0500 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Question--tell the truth Brianna: >or you can just go here and find out how fast you REALLY type. > >http://www.typingtest.com/ The answer is yes, I look at the keyboard when I type. I took the Strategic Alliances test for 2 min and did net 54 with 2 mistakes. My skill here is certainly not typing - it's memorizing a sentence at a time so I can type away without having to look up. Programming is a different matter entirely - for, next, insert, delete, etc. all type themselves after over twenty years of repetition. Like Stewart, I have tried to type the real way, and it only screws me up more. holy rotting donkey carcass butterfly eeeeeee, Russ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:49:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Toren Subject: RE: [loud-fans] gt live > GT live show that made the rounds in > mp3 a while > |Set list: I've Tried Subtlety / Girl w/Guitar / > Shark Pretty / > |Frontierland / Verb / 24 / Waltz / Rayon / Make Any > Vows / > |Book Of Millionaires / Real Nighttime / Never Mind > / Friend Of > |The Family / Girl Jesus / Beach State Rocking / The > Letter / > |Selfish Again > |Before "Shark" Scott says "doing another one from > the somewhat > |distant past..." > |So, probably the BSC tour, but if anyone has a more > specific > |time to satisfy my curiousity that would be great. > > The CD was labelled Atlanta Live '84 or > something like that, but I > think it was determined that this must have been > from the '85 BSC tour. sounds right_ although it was actually a Real Nighttime tour, in the middle of which GT dropped of in NC to record Big Shot Chronicles with Mitch_ Gil, does that sound right? PR ===== "Monotheistic religion has always brought out the best in us humans; thank you so much for the idea of a vengeful supernatural entity who rewards people in the afterlife! That shit makes a lot of sense!"http://www.mnftiu.cc/ LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:53:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Question--tell the truth > Brianna: > >or you can just go here and find out how fast you REALLY type. > > > >http://www.typingtest.com/ Boo! It doesn't work behind a firewall, so I can't try my hand...so to speak. Mayhaps when I get home, although I doubt I'll get anywhere near Sue's 110 WPM. J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:42:47 -0700 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Question--tell the truth At 4:18 PM -0400 5/17/02, Stewart Mason wrote: >I only managed 45 words per minute (taking the Huck Finn and Fishing in >Finland tests, 2 minutes each, same score both times), but I also got 100% >accuracy in both. Anyone who has seen my utterly bizarre typing style (my >left hand stays utterly still and only works Shift, Space and the first >five columns of keys, with all typing on the right side of the keyboard >being done by one finger that flies over the right side of the keyboard >without any knowledge of the usual "home row" concept) has to admit that >that's actually pretty good for such an unorthodox manner. OK, now that's bizarre. I've been tested a few times at temp agencies, and I always test between 45 and 50 - but this is the closest thing to the way I type that I've ever heard anyone else describe. Except I only cover the first two rows with my left hand. It works fine for me, so I usually forget there's anything weird about it except when I'm working in a room with other people and they all gather 'round to point and giggle. And yes, I look at the keys. Almost constantly. - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 15:49:27 -0700 From: "me" Subject: [loud-fans] my boss's melon EB says: > when I'm working in a room with other people and they > all gather 'round to point and giggle. when _I'm_ working in a room with other people and they all gather 'round to point and giggle, it might have to do with the fact that i just found a photo of my boss online. with a melon between his legs. oh yeah - and he's nekkid. really. - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:10:45 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] my boss's melon wow - sorry - didn't mean to shut the list down.... no, i didn't show it to anyone - but i DID torment him about it. - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "me" To: Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 3:49 PM Subject: [loud-fans] my boss's melon > EB says: > > when I'm working in a room with other people and they > > all gather 'round to point and giggle. > > when _I'm_ working in a room with other people and they all gather 'round to > point and giggle, it might have to do with the fact that i just found a > photo of my boss online. with a melon between his legs. > > oh yeah - and he's nekkid. really. > > -- > "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." > -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 21:23:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] my boss's melon "me" wrote: > wow - sorry - didn't mean to shut the list down.... > > no, i didn't show it to anyone - but i DID torment him about it. I think the silence is just everyone waiting for the URL to drop... ;) (40 WPM, strictly two-fingers-looking-at-the-keys) -d.w. np: The Bionaut - Lubricate Your Living Room ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 19:48:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Gil Ray Subject: RE: [loud-fans] gt live - --- Robert Toren wrote: > > sounds right_ although it was actually a Real > Nighttime tour, in the middle of which GT dropped of > in NC to record Big Shot Chronicles with Mitch_ > Gil, does that sound right? Yep. I'm thinking that Beach State Rockin, The Letter and Selfish Again must have been solo by Scott(?). I don't recall the full band playing those songs. Gil LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 22:41:08 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Question--tell the truth At 03:57 PM 5/17/2002 -0400, Sue Trowbridge wrote: >I took a typing class in eighth grade, and was by far the fastest typist >in the class -- I think I got up to 60 WPM. I just took the typing test >Brianna posted, and scored 110 WPM. I took typing in 10th grade, and had the same experience. Usually 90 WPM even on the worst day, and 120 WPM when I've been doing copying work for a while. And I don't look at the keyboard. I also never use the number pad, because it's just quicker for typewriter-trained me to use the numbers at the top of the keyboard. (Typing was the only business-track class I took; if I'd taken Accounting and futzed around with those adding machines, I might be more adept with the number pad.) My siblings all type very well but none of them type conventionally -- they all developed idiosyncratic ways of typing before they went to junior high, and will start hissing like sibilant sibling snakes if you even suggest that they could have done better if they had learned to type from the standard position in the first place. >> music: ?Anybody else think that Yankee Hotel Foxtrot >> sounds kinda like a Pavement record? The really sleepy >> vocals on most of the songs scream 'Range Life' >> and 'Bring on the Major Leagues' to me. > >"Heavy Metal Drummer" sounds so much like Pavement, it's scary. The rest >of it reminds me of the slow songs of latter-day Pavement crossed with the >weirdness of their early singles & EPs. However, I don't *love* it the way >I love Pavement. YHF is a good album, but it hasn't fully clicked with me >yet. I shudder at this whole line of comparison -- one of my very favorite bands and one that I loathe. I've settled on two responses: 1) I think the flat, affectless tone of some of Tweedy's vocals might be leading people to make an ultimately misleading comparison. 2) With Pavement, I always feel like I'm ultimately the victim of a postmodernist ruse of some sort -- that if I start to suspect meaning or emotion, Malkmus would point his finger at me, sneer, and intone into the mic "gotcha, sucker." That is, in the unlikely event that he could muster the effort to do more than smirk. With Wilco, there's heart and soul and real emotion behind everything, even the dryest line reading or most unlikely non-sequitur. This makes all the difference in the world to me. In fact, when Tweedy's at his most affectless, like when he intones "Radio Cure"'s opening lines cheer up honey i hope you can there is something wrong with me well, those lines are some of the most fully inhabited of his career. Or to take a Loud-Fan-friendly metaphor, Malkmus and Pavement seem like they're punching their ticket to ride on the bus that Enid takes at the end of GHOST WORLD, but Tweedy seems headed for a trip among those silvery stars. getting back to e-mail after a busy work week, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 23:02:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Question--tell the truth On 16 May 2002 me@justanotherfuckin.com wrote: > or you can just go here and find out how fast you REALLY type. > > http://www.typingtest.com/ The first time, it got weird and even though I had a raw speed of 99 wpm and *know* I didn't make too many errors, it claimed I'd made some ridiculous number that reduced my net speed to 27. The second time, I slowed myself down slightly - raw speed 91 wpm, with 1 error (capitalization). Many of my bots are even faster, however. - --Jeff Jeffrey Norman, Posemodernist University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Dept. of Mumblish & Competitive Obliterature http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #178 *******************************