From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #174 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, May 14 2002 Volume 02 : Number 174 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] NS: The Junior Miss Pageant and impressionable lieutenants [me@justanotherfuckin.] Re: [loud-fans] NS: The Junior Miss Pageant and impressionable lieutenants [JRT456@aol.] Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else [dc ] Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else [triggercut ] RE: [loud-fans] Wacky Dog Action [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else [triggercut ] Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] cd to wav? [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else [timv@triad.rr.com] Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else ["O Geier" ] Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] cd to wav? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] cd to wav? ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] cd to wav? [Michael Mitton ] Re: [loud-fans] cd to wav? ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] cd to wav? [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] cd to wav? ["John Sharples" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 14 May 2002 01:51:39 -0700 From: me@justanotherfuckin.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] NS: The Junior Miss Pageant and impressionable lieutenants > Cradle the balls, smear the cheese, pluck the hairs, SAY THE NAME, > Latre. --Rog good god, roger. i'm eating. i have no idea what that phrase was from, or meant, but it sounds gross. brianna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 07:27:38 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] NS: The Junior Miss Pageant and impressionable lieutenants In a message dated 5/13/02 11:13:14 PM, mweber@library.berkeley.edu writes of soldiers and WWJD bracelets: << I'm a bit bemused as to how they could un-ironically wear those wrist bands and serve the Army in their capacity; it seems fairly obvious in the context of the Gospels that Jesus would not have signed on as an officer in a combat unit... >> Well, considering Jesus as a humble philosopher, it's certainly possible that the guy would have the same appreciation for the need of a strong military as, say, Gandhi did. But if your point is that Francis Park is the anti-Christ...yes, that's feasible. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 06:00:12 -0700 From: dc Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else re: waxwings > >Your "Record Release" show was an absolute embarrassment! Every single > >aspect of that show was chump! I CANNOT fucking believe that you did > >not take that show seriously!!! That was your RECORD RELEASE show! Let > >me say that again . . . THAT WAS YOUR FUCKING RECORD RELEASE SHOW!!! > >IN YOUR HOME FUCKING TOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (...et-fucking-cetera...) i'm curious whether anyone's actually heard this band. i was looking around online, and not counting their manager, they seem to get pretty good press. dc vicinity of seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 08:44:46 -0500 From: triggercut Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else They're a "nice" band--sort of catchy, melodic, maybe a step above the unwashed horde of guitar pop bands that fall into that category. Beyond that they don't do much for me; I spun their first disc for a few weeks trying to get it to click with me, but it just sounded like they left the "rock" off my copy. dc wrote: > > re: waxwings > > > >Your "Record Release" show was an absolute embarrassment! Every single > > >aspect of that show was chump! I CANNOT fucking believe that you did > > >not take that show seriously!!! That was your RECORD RELEASE show! Let > > >me say that again . . . THAT WAS YOUR FUCKING RECORD RELEASE SHOW!!! > > >IN YOUR HOME FUCKING TOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > (...et-fucking-cetera...) > > i'm curious whether anyone's actually heard this band. i was looking > around online, and not counting their manager, they seem to get pretty > good press. > > dc > vicinity of seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 09:32:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Wacky Dog Action On Mon, 13 May 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Of course, you can point to any cause and find folks who agitate for it > in dopey, counter-productive ways - and certainly it'd be better if more > of us (who could do so, practically) biked to work. But these folks > aren't helping. Sorry, Jeff, but it drives me nuts how this is always the second thing mentioned in any discussion of bicycling. It turns the issues at hand into moral ones -- are bikers worthy? are drivers? -- instead of practical ones. But, for that matter, the reason that moving the questions into that realm seems, initially, to be detrimental to the cause of bikers is that jackasses in cars are just thought to be jackasses, while jackasses on bikes are representatives of Bike Nation. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 09:47:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Wacky Dog Action On Tue, 14 May 2002, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Mon, 13 May 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > Sorry, Jeff, but it drives me nuts how this is always the second thing > mentioned in any discussion of bicycling. It turns the issues at hand into > moral ones -- are bikers worthy? are drivers? -- instead of practical > ones. True enough - and the practical questions should be the right questions. However... > But, for that matter, the reason that moving the questions into that realm > seems, initially, to be detrimental to the cause of bikers is that > jackasses in cars are just thought to be jackasses, while jackasses on > bikes are representatives of Bike Nation. That's because the bicyclists (in both my examples) are explicitly presenting *themselves* as "representatives of Bike Nation" (the rally, the sandwich-board promoting biking to work). Not that it's relevant to the first question above, but asshole drivers rarely present themselves as promoting driving to work, the benefits of automobiles, etc. While the behavior in question would be irritating regardless, it's more irritating (to me) because these riders set themselves up as representatives. They're not - not representative of bikers generally, and I should have made that clearer. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: __Robert Desnos__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:34:56 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] Whack the Bike Action On Tue, 14 May 2002, Aaron Mandel wrote: > But, for that matter, the reason that moving the questions into that realm > seems, initially, to be detrimental to the cause of bikers is that > jackasses in cars are just thought to be jackasses, while jackasses on > bikes are representatives of Bike Nation. and good golly, as a sometime cycle commuter, for the record, those jackasses on bikes piss me off at least as much as the jackasses in the cars, maybe more, because they do claim to be my advocates, and they are emphatically NOT. i really think it makes it worse. it's like, "those critical mass folks were such jerks, i'm going to be deliberately rude to every cyclist i see." they've got just as much to fear from me as the drivers do. - -- d. np q & not u "on play patterns" i dunno if anyone out there reads the zine "held like sound" in its paper incarnation, but golly, page 58 makes me absurdedly happy. so much gratification for $65, who knew? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:40:18 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else At 08:44 AM 5/14/2002 -0500, triggercut wrote: >They're a "nice" band--sort of catchy, melodic, maybe a step above the >unwashed horde of guitar pop bands that fall into that category. Beyond >that they don't do much for me; I spun their first disc for a few weeks >trying to get it to click with me, but it just sounded like they left >the "rock" off my copy. I think "rock" is kind of beside the point of what they're trying to do, which sounds to me like they want to be the new Zombies. They don't do much for me either, though. Too many songs that sound alike, not enough interesting melodies or cool arrangements. I haven't heard the new album, though. S NP: Tiara -- TITLETRON ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:52:03 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else On Mon, 13 May 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > On Mon, 13 May 2002, Dave Walker wrote: > > > All you bands out there... > [long rant deleted] > > I'm curious what people in bands think of this...because sadly, minus the > zillion exclamation marks and with the rhetorical volume muted a bit, the > guy's comments applied to too many bands I've seen. There's a difference > between egotistically over-trumpeting yourself and working to be the best > band you can be - too many bands think slacking is the most rock'n'roll > course of (in)action... i thought it was hysterical. all the stuff about not hanging out in the club before the set...christ, what bs. i think a tight line needs to be walked. i'm all for competent sound folks, tight (and in tune) performances, and bands who say who they are somewhere near the beginning and end of the set. but at waxwing's level, they're more likely to win friends by hanging out and seeming like nice folks all night long than pulling a pretentious "rock star" trip. and that plug the cd, website etc. between every song stuff just has this smarmy careerist vibe to it that makes me feel vaguely ill. see my probelm with "selling out" is not an elitest holier-than-thou thing -- it's the question of what seems to be more important to the band: playing a good set, or getting more of my money? - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:06:15 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else At 11:52 AM 5/14/2002 -0400, dmw wrote: >and that plug the cd, website etc. between every song stuff just has this >smarmy careerist vibe to it that makes me feel vaguely ill. see my >probelm with "selling out" is not an elitest holier-than-thou thing -- >it's the question of what seems to be more important to the band: playing >a good set, or getting more of my money? I see your point, but, (and please correct me if I'm wrong) I've never been under the impression that you're trying to make your band into your full-time job, whereas the Waxwings certainly are. And it seems to me like if a band *does* want to make it to a level where they can support themselves without having to work at Kinkos or whatever, then, sorry, but a certain amount of "careerism" does have to occur for one to actually have a "career." Otherwise, it's the equivalent of going to work, spending every day reading porn mags in the lunchroom and then bitching because you're not getting raises and promotions. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:23:52 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else On Tue, 14 May 2002, Stewart Mason wrote: > I see your point, but, (and please correct me if I'm wrong) I've never been > under the impression that you're trying to make your band into your > full-time job, whereas the Waxwings certainly are. And it seems to me like > if a band *does* want to make it to a level where they can support > themselves without having to work at Kinkos or whatever, then, sorry, but a > certain amount of "careerism" does have to occur for one to actually have a > "career." Otherwise, it's the equivalent of going to work, spending every > day reading porn mags in the lunchroom and then bitching because you're not > getting raises and promotions. No, i'm not talking 'bout my no-account shambling mess -- I see plenty of bands who are eking out some level of living who don't have the used car salesman vibe. I don't think there's anything wrong with mentioning yer merch/website/mailing list once or maybe twice in a set, or making sure that everybody in the room knows who you are (especially if they seem to be digging it). I think there's something wrong with mentioning it a whole lot more times than once or twice. And I think there's a lot wrong with following some formula of how one is supposed to act to "make it" in the rock biz -- my buddy Greg described it as like "putting on a suit to buy a lottery ticket" then 'fessed up that he'd swiped that from someone (but couldn't remember who.) I think a band does a lot better to emphasize whatever is original/interesting about the actual character of the band, assuming there's something there to start with. Moreover, I think being the small club regional band that is desperately hawking itself from the stage every second actually *hinders* progress to the next level of band success -- I say this partly 'cause I think it's not just jaded old bastards like me who are turned off by rampant hucksterism (although jaded old bastards like me are a large percentage of the small club audience) but also by example: the bands that are nationally distributed usually aren't so crass about it as the waxwings guy seems to be recommending they be. Of course, this may be a really, really brilliant marketing move -- this thing has by now got about as much exposure as the Limp Bizkit guitar audition fiasco, almost as much as the Rosenbergs/Farmclub blather. - -- d. np Most Secret Method _Our Success_ (if you like this sort of thing, grab it) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:35:53 -0500 From: triggercut Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else Actually...the real punchline of all this is that if you go to the band's page on the bobsled.com site, there's no mention of a new record, (they're recording, it says), of any shows--past or upcoming, (they're recording, it says) and if you click for some music samples you're directed to look up the disc on amazon.com and listen to the sound clips. If I were the band I'd send a pissy email right back to Bob Salerno asking him what the fuck he's doing about promotion, and when the fuck he's going to update that bushleague website. I'd also like to find out what Bob's home address is. If he's willing to shell out 200 grand on The Waxwings, I'll start a band with even less a chance to dent the charts and only charge him a tenth of that. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:40:21 -0500 From: Bill Silvers Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else triggercut wrote: >Actually...the real punchline of all this is that if you go to the >band's page on the bobsled.com site, there's no mention of a new record, >(they're recording, it says), of any shows--past or upcoming, (they're >recording, it says) and if you click for some music samples you're >directed to look up the disc on amazon.com and listen to the sound >clips. All of which lends itself to my feeling that the original rant is as likely apocryphal as legitimate. But it is amusing, even if this is the third list-serv I've seen it on. b.s. who's seen The Waxwings live three times, was well-pleased each time and who thought KEEPING THE SPARKS was one of the better pop records of 2000...YMMV ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:42:46 -0500 From: Bill Silvers Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else At 12:40 PM 05/14/2002 -0500, you wrote: >b.s. who's seen The Waxwings live three times, was well-pleased each time >and who thought KEEPING THE SPARKS was one of the better pop records of >2000...YMMV Um, LOW TO THE GROUND was the Waxwings LP, though "Keeping The Sparks" was one of the "hits." screwing up...or else, b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:13:59 -0500 From: triggercut Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else Actually, the email first appeared at velvetrope.com The Chicago Reader called Salerno to verify its accuracy, and Salerno owned up to all of it, saying that within context it was "accurate", and that he still thinks the 'Wings are "a great band". Bill Silvers wrote: > > At 12:40 PM 05/14/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > >b.s. who's seen The Waxwings live three times, was well-pleased each time > >and who thought KEEPING THE SPARKS was one of the better pop records of > >2000...YMMV > > Um, LOW TO THE GROUND was the Waxwings LP, though "Keeping The Sparks" was > one of the "hits." > > screwing up...or else, > b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:32:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else On Tue, 14 May 2002, dc wrote: > re: waxwings > > i'm curious whether anyone's actually heard this band. i was looking > around online, and not counting their manager, they seem to get pretty > good press. Here's my take: http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/waxstarlight.html - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::This is America. People do whatever the fuck they feel like doing.... ::As a result, this country has one of the worst economies in the world. __Neal Stephenson, SNOW CRASH__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:38:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else On Tue, 14 May 2002, dmw wrote: > On Tue, 14 May 2002, Stewart Mason wrote: > > > if a band *does* want to make it to a level where they can support > > themselves without having to work at Kinkos or whatever, then, sorry, but a > > certain amount of "careerism" does have to occur for one to actually have a > > "career." > No, i'm not talking 'bout my no-account shambling mess -- I see plenty of > bands who are eking out some level of living who don't have the used car > salesman vibe. I don't think there's anything wrong with mentioning yer > merch/website/mailing list once or maybe twice in a set, or making sure > that everybody in the room knows who you are (especially if they seem to > be digging it). I think there's something wrong with mentioning it a > whole lot more times than once or twice. > Moreover, I think being the small club regional band that is desperately > hawking itself from the stage every second actually *hinders* progress to > the next level of band success -- I say this partly 'cause I think it's > not just jaded old bastards like me who are turned off by rampant > hucksterism (although jaded old bastards like me are a large percentage of > the small club audience) but also by example: the bands that are > nationally distributed usually aren't so crass about it as the waxwings > guy seems to be recommending they be. I probably agree that if the band followed all of Salerno's advice re (essentially) creating an atmosphere, I'd think they're poseurs. But certainly, rehearsing, playing well, and promoting oneself without being a smarmy huckster is necessary. And it's that part of the e-mail that I saw as being too sadly true: bands that think Morrissey was utterly serious when he said the world owed him a living as he lies back and is fabulous. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::"am I being self-referential?":: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:43:34 -0500 From: Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else Man, that "Loud Family" band must be a bunch of amatuers for mingling with the crowd before their gigs. I even recall Gil sitting alone at the bar before the Milwaukee show on the D4D tour!!! Pathetic!! I always knew they were bush league! >RELEASE show?? Do you think Jack White would be caught dead in the >crowd before he takes the stage?? Bush leagues!!! Dean, you're just >fuckin' hangin' out by the fuckin' entrance before the show, AND >SOMETIMES ALONE! PATHETIC!!! A REAL Rock 'n Roll band would have been ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:05:04 -0500 From: Bill Silvers Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else triggercut wrote: >Actually, the email first appeared at velvetrope.com > >The Chicago Reader called Salerno to verify its accuracy, and Salerno >owned up to all of it, saying that within context it was "accurate", and >that he still thinks the 'Wings are "a great band". Heh. With friends like Salerno... Actually, I didn't question the authenticity of the e-mail from some sense of proprietary fandom as from what an sicko-entertaining read it is and in what proportion it seems an unlikely faux-pas from a "professional." As though no thought whatever is given to whether one's vituperative rants will ever see the light of day. b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:25:47 -0700 From: "me" Subject: [loud-fans] cd to wav? i need to e-mail one track from a cd to someone who will probably listen to it on a mac. i have winamp, realPlayer, quicktime, windows media player. do i turn it into a wav? mp3? how can i do this? - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:32:58 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else dmw wrote: > > Moreover, I think being the small club regional band that is desperately > hawking itself from the stage every second actually *hinders* progress to > the next level of band success -- I say this partly 'cause I think it's > not just jaded old bastards like me who are turned off by rampant > hucksterism Yeah, it provokes the "shut up and play; you already told us who you are" response from me. Play a good song or two, all out. Then tell me who you are. Then just play, for cripe sakes. Tell us about your website and where your merch table is after your first set. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:32:40 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cd to wav? On Tue, 14 May 2002, me wrote: > i need to e-mail one track from a cd to someone who will probably listen to it > on a mac. i have winamp, realPlayer, quicktime, windows media player. do i > turn it into a wav? mp3? > > how can i do this? winamp will make a .wav file, but it will be huge. i don't know if any of the things you mentioned will make an mp3. win media player will make its propietary format files, which are likely to be problematic for mac people. i use either the cool edit (www.syntrillium.com) or the xing encoders, usually. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:35:25 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cd to wav? At 12:25 PM 5/14/2002 -0700, me wrote: >i need to e-mail one track from a cd to someone who will probably listen to it >on a mac. i have winamp, realPlayer, quicktime, windows media player. do i >turn it into a wav? mp3? > >how can i do this? Unless the person has an insanely fast web connection, he or she will hate you forever if you email them a WAV file, which are huge. MP3s don't sound quite as good, but they're much much smaller. Windows Media Player will do for the CD-to-MP3 conversion. S NP: MY WAR -- Bear Quartet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:43:56 -0400 From: timv@triad.rr.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else Wes_Vokes wrote: > Man, that "Loud Family" band must be a bunch of amatuers for mingling with > the crowd before their gigs. I even recall Gil sitting alone at the bar > before the Milwaukee show on the D4D tour!!! Pathetic!! > I always knew they were bush league! > > >RELEASE show?? Do you think Jack White would be caught dead in the > >crowd before he takes the stage?? Bush leagues!!! Dean, you're just > >fuckin' hangin' out by the fuckin' entrance before the show, AND > >SOMETIMES ALONE! PATHETIC!!! A REAL Rock 'n Roll band would have been That part got me too. He might as well have added, "WITHOUT A SLUTTY-LOOKING UNDERAGE GIRL ON EACH ARM." The disturbing thing about it is that, in that context, he just might be right. The whole thing struck me as the sort of "motivational speech" I've heard or overheard from too many bosses, coaches, directors, managers, parents, etc. As usual, my reaction was, "If you think I'd bust my butt for you after hearing that, you're dreaming." But it seems that there really are people who'll be motivated to go out and kill themselves to "show that so-and-so he was wrong." And I suspect that they're generally much more successful than I am. So it goes. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:40:40 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else On Tue, 14 May 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > I probably agree that if the band followed all of Salerno's advice re > (essentially) creating an atmosphere, I'd think they're poseurs. But > certainly, rehearsing, playing well, and promoting oneself without being a > smarmy huckster is necessary. And it's that part of the e-mail that I saw > as being too sadly true: bands that think Morrissey was utterly serious > when he said the world owed him a living as he lies back and is fabulous. i got no disagreement with any of that, provided you think that "playing well" includes re-tuning instruments when appropriate. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 19:55:29 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else <> Drive By Truckers' lead singer introduces EVERY FUCKING SONG by title, and then says EVERY FUCKING TIME, 'and it goes something like this..." No kidding. By the fourth song, I was shouting it simultaneously, which didn't deter him one bit. He's either deaf of clueless. Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:13:48 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else O Geier wrote: > > Drive By Truckers' lead singer introduces EVERY FUCKING SONG by title, > and then says EVERY FUCKING TIME, 'and it goes something like this..." > No kidding. By the fourth song, I was shouting it simultaneously, which > didn't deter him one bit. He's either deaf of clueless. Kinda like how the guy in Nickelback shouts, "Thank you very goddamn much!" after nearly every song. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:13:27 -0500 From: Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else Ha ha ha! Jen has just admitted she has seen Nickelback! Ha ha ha! (Just kidding) - ----- Forwarded by Wes Vokes/MKE/eFunds on 05/14/02 03:12 PM ----- jenny grover cc: loud-fans@smoe.org Sent by: Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else owner-loud-fans@s moe.org 05/14/02 03:13 PM Please respond to sleeveless O Geier wrote: > > Drive By Truckers' lead singer introduces EVERY FUCKING SONG by title, > and then says EVERY FUCKING TIME, 'and it goes something like this..." > No kidding. By the fourth song, I was shouting it simultaneously, which > didn't deter him one bit. He's either deaf of clueless. Kinda like how the guy in Nickelback shouts, "Thank you very goddamn much!" after nearly every song. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:20:19 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com wrote: > > Ha ha ha! > Jen has just admitted she has seen Nickelback! > Ha ha ha! > > (Just kidding) Twice! (not kidding!) This should be proof to you that there is not much to do in Huntington. I like their albums, but man, they pretty much suck live. I think Chad's voice is quite good on record, but live he hollers everything, and the softer things and nuances just get bulldozed out. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:31:56 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] oh go ahead...be a screw up! On Tue, 14 May 2002, jenny grover wrote: > O Geier wrote: > > > > Drive By Truckers' lead singer introduces EVERY FUCKING SONG by title, > > and then says EVERY FUCKING TIME, 'and it goes something like this..." > > No kidding. By the fourth song, I was shouting it simultaneously, which > > didn't deter him one bit. He's either deaf of clueless. > > Kinda like how the guy in Nickelback shouts, "Thank you very goddamn > much!" after nearly every song. see, if it's distinctive like that -- bob pollard muttering the full name of tunes and specifying what they're the b-side of also comes to mind -- then it goes back to being an expression of the artist's individual personality. "thanks for coming out" - -- d. np oxes _oxes_ (recommended for anyone who took my recommendations for the fucking champs and was a satisfied customer) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:44:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cd to wav? On Tue, 14 May 2002, Stewart Mason wrote: > Unless the person has an insanely fast web connection, he or she will hate > you forever if you email them a WAV file, which are huge. MP3s don't sound > quite as good, but they're much much smaller. Windows Media Player will do > for the CD-to-MP3 conversion. I will exile myself forever from the audiophiles' club, but...unless I'm A/B-ing and listening very closely in headphones, I don't hear that much of a significant dif. between a .wav and an .mp3 file. (Of course, that may be a function of the quality or lack thereof of the headphones and soundcard on my computer.) And when the latter are converted to .wav and burned to a CD-R, I don't hear much difference either (although I haven't actually *done* such an A/B comparison - point is, it doesn't sound objectively bad to me). But anyway, MP3s are ten times smaller than .wav files. I rather suspect if you googled "Mp3 converter" or "CD ripper," there'd be loads of freeware out there for your pleasure. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::"Shut up, you truculent lout, and let the cute little pixie sing!":: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:47:15 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cd to wav? winamp is utterly refusing to turn the track into a .wav. it acts like it's doing it, but it doesn't create a file. i even searched for anythign created today, in case it was dumping it somewhere weird - no dice. even downloaded the new version - still no dice. i don't get it. gr. - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart Mason" To: "me" ; Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cd to wav? > At 12:25 PM 5/14/2002 -0700, me wrote: > >i need to e-mail one track from a cd to someone who will probably listen > to it > >on a mac. i have winamp, realPlayer, quicktime, windows media player. do i > >turn it into a wav? mp3? > > > >how can i do this? > > Unless the person has an insanely fast web connection, he or she will hate > you forever if you email them a WAV file, which are huge. MP3s don't sound > quite as good, but they're much much smaller. Windows Media Player will do > for the CD-to-MP3 conversion. > > S > > NP: MY WAR -- Bear Quartet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:20:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cd to wav? > Windows Media Player will do > for the CD-to-MP3 conversion. A little correction here--Windows Media Player actually won't let you create MP3 files, although you can play them (at least, the latest version). Yet another example of how MS uses its monopoly in operating systems to gain control over other, unrelated markets. - --Michael NP A girl crying outside after scraping her knee. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:36:09 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cd to wav? i found a utility called CDex - it's pretty cool. seems to have done the trick. i have musicmatch at home, and have been pretty happy with it, but i wanted to do this from work. interesting stuff here: http://www.mp3-converter.com/mp3_converter_freeware.htm CDex here: http://www.mp3-converter.com/cdex.htm thanks for all the help! - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mitton" To: "me" Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cd to wav? > > winamp is utterly refusing to turn the track into a .wav. it acts like it's > > doing it, but it doesn't create a file. i even searched for anythign > > created today, in case it was dumping it somewhere weird - no dice. even > > downloaded the new version - still no dice. i don't get it. > > What is on the CD is in fact a .wav file--that's the format CD's use. You > just need to turn it into an MP3 file. Contrary to what Stuart said, you > can't use Windows Media Player to make an MP3 file since MS decided not to > include that functionaltiy (though you can play MP3 fils through Windows > Media Player.) > > I use "Musicmatch Jukebox" which is a free download if I need to make an > MP3 file. It's pretty easy to use, and yeah, it will give you a file with > an mp3 extention that you can find on your hard drive, and this will be > find on a Mac. > > mm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:43:05 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cd to wav? that came out weird - i like music match, but i didn't know it could do cd->mp3, and the site wants $14.99 or something, and i'm being impatient and don't want to hunt down wherever it's free, since i already have it. i paid $1149.00 for it, but it came with a computer. i found CDex before i got the e-mails about mm's abilities. - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "me" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cd to wav? > i found a utility called CDex - it's pretty cool. seems to have done the > trick. i have musicmatch at home, and have been pretty happy with it, but i > wanted to do this from work. > > interesting stuff here: > http://www.mp3-converter.com/mp3_converter_freeware.htm > > CDex here: > http://www.mp3-converter.com/cdex.htm > > thanks for all the help! > > > -- > "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." > -- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Mitton" > To: "me" > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 3:11 PM > Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cd to wav? > > > > > winamp is utterly refusing to turn the track into a .wav. it acts like > it's > > > doing it, but it doesn't create a file. i even searched for anythign > > > created today, in case it was dumping it somewhere weird - no dice. > even > > > downloaded the new version - still no dice. i don't get it. > > > > What is on the CD is in fact a .wav file--that's the format CD's use. You > > just need to turn it into an MP3 file. Contrary to what Stuart said, you > > can't use Windows Media Player to make an MP3 file since MS decided not to > > include that functionaltiy (though you can play MP3 fils through Windows > > Media Player.) > > > > I use "Musicmatch Jukebox" which is a free download if I need to make an > > MP3 file. It's pretty easy to use, and yeah, it will give you a file with > > an mp3 extention that you can find on your hard drive, and this will be > > find on a Mac. > > > > mm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 19:02:04 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cd to wav? At 06:20 PM 5/14/2002 -0400, Michael Mitton wrote: >> Windows Media Player will do >> for the CD-to-MP3 conversion. > >A little correction here--Windows Media Player actually won't let you >create MP3 files, although you can play them (at least, the latest >version). Yet another example of how MS uses its monopoly in operating >systems to gain control over other, unrelated markets. I was puzzled by this statement, since I can and have created MP3s in Windows Media Player (although I much prefer my Cakewalk Pyro, which is much speedier and doesn't try to second-guess my every move), so I went looking around in my version of WMP -- turns out that mine came bundled with a plug-in from a third-party company called InterVideo Inc. (www.intervideo.com) that allows MP3 conversions and CD->MP3 ripping, which if I wanted to buy on its own would cost me $9.95. Cheap enough, but if you're going to buy a CD ripper, I still recommend Pyro, which is faster and more flexible and only cost me about $20. Funny how the WMP in my copy of Windows XP comes with such a handy little utility (from a third-party company, yet), seeing as how Microsoft is so into protecting its monopoly and all... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 19:52:50 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cd to wav? Stewart: Funny how the WMP in my copy >of Windows XP comes with such a handy little utility (from a third-party >company, yet), seeing as how Microsoft is so into protecting its monopoly >and all... Hey, but didn't they *lose* their antitrust case? Think maybe they're required to do little things like that under the current consent decree? I dunno, I'm asking.... JS ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #174 *******************************