From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #173 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, May 14 2002 Volume 02 : Number 173 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Wacky Dog Action ["O Geier" ] RE: [loud-fans] Wacky Dog Action ["Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett" ] RE: [loud-fans] Wacky Bike Action [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] recent 'PUTER purchases, briefly ["Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] NS: The Junior Miss Pageant and impressionable lieutenants ["] Re: [loud-fans] NS: The Junior Miss Pageant and impressionable lieutenants [Roger Winston Subject: [loud-fans] Wacky Dog Action My wife opened our front door, put a load of groceries in the house, went back for the next load, and my three year old opened the front door, just as two men rode by on their bicycles. My German Shepard, who is good natured, but excitable, took off, barking (he has never bitten a person before, but likes a good chase. He gave up after the bikes turned the corner. One of them yelled, in full voice 'GODDAM IGNORANT PET OWNERS!!' I heard this from the back yard. It upset my wife and kid a bit, and infuriated me, so I hopped in the car to track them down, apologize and shame an apology out of them for cursing at my wife and kid. Caught up to them, and realized I knew one of them. I told him that I was sorry, and the for what it was worth, my dog intended no harm. He said he was sorry he overrected and upset my wife and kid. The man?? Dave Brockie-Founder and lead singer of GWAR. ps. He was wearing a helmet. Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 19:30:35 +0100 From: "Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Wacky Dog Action Oz sez: > My wife opened our front door, put a load of groceries in the > house, went back for the next load, and my three year old > opened the front door, just as two men rode by on their > bicycles. My German Shepard, who is good natured, but > excitable, took off, barking (he has never bitten a person > before, but likes a good chase. The thing here is that if you are on a bike and some damn great hound comes chasing after you and acting aggressively, how are you to know that he's just being playful? My usual reaction to barky dogs that I can see have an owner somewhere in the vicinity is to stop and ask them to get the dog under control - they normally then say "Oh, he's not going to hurt you, he's just playing etc etc" - possibly I won't get mauled to death or even bitten but I could still fall off my bike. On a related note, it's been a very wet day here in London. On my ride home I use a light controlled crossing to get across a busy road - just before the crossing was a large puddle caused by a blocked drain. As I stood at the crossing waiting for the lights this idiot in a smart Jaguar convertible deliberately swerves into the puddle presumably with the hope that I'll be drenched. I had full waterproofs on anyway, but I do really wonder at the mentality of some drivers. Not feeling particularly warm towards fellow human beings this evening, Ian Np Cloud Eleven - Orange and Green and Yellow and near ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 15:22:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Wacky Dog Action On Mon, 13 May 2002, Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett wrote: > The thing here is that if you are on a bike and some damn great hound > comes chasing after you and acting aggressively, how are you to know > that he's just being playful? My usual reaction to barky dogs that I Yes, that's true. But even when they're just being playful, it's still dangerous for both the biker and the dog. If I can't outrun a dog (which, I proudly note, only happens on a steep hill) I pull out my pump to try and keep them away from the wheels and to whack them if necessary. > Jaguar convertible deliberately swerves into the puddle presumably with > the hope that I'll be drenched. I had full waterproofs on anyway, but I I could keep this list busy for months with stories of drivers who go out of their way to make things harder for bikers. Here's the worst: On five different occasions, I've had oncoming cars swerve across the road toward me and the driver open up their door so that I'm riding directly into their door. A little game of chicken ensues--four times they closed their door and went back to their own lane, once I ended up in a ditch wishing I'd got the license plate. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 12:57:53 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Junior Miss Pageant that is pretty interesting. the religion thing doesn't surprise me at all. when my little sister was in high school (she graduated '95) she started a church group that now involves roughly 1/4 of the school (which has about 1600 students). that's pretty good, if you consider the number of kids involved in any one club. certainly wasn't that way when i was in high school - i remember kids viewing church groups as social opportunities, but any religious org. on campus was tiny and more or less ignored. random question - did the poi girl use fire, or just balls? - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mitton" To: Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 10:04 PM Subject: [loud-fans] The Junior Miss Pageant > I was unfortunate enough to be good friends with a woman who runs a Junior > Miss Pageant here in Portland, and she coerced me into being one of her > judges for the event. So yesterday, I spent a couple hours interviewing > the candidates and then went to the evening performance where they > (juniors in high school) demonstrated their skill in fitness, poise, and > performing talents. Let's just say it was a long day. > > But there were a couple of interesting things. In the bios they write > about themselves, the girls had to list the historical person they admired > most and all 11 girls listed Jesus. I keep hearing that religion has > become much more popular among high school kids, but I never really > believed it. Junior Miss contestants aren't the best random sample, but I > still thought it interesting. > > Also, about half the contestants had no musical talent at all (so we got a > demonstration of poi balls, a reading from Psalms, and a poem about her > Chevy she's fixing) but everyone of the contestants who did a musical > talent all said their favorite music was classical jazz (Billie Holiday, > Miles Davis, etc.) This also surprised me because when I was in high > school (ten years ago) nobody was listening to classical jazz. They still > listed current music, of course, but I thought it was interesting that > they actualy knew something about jazz. > > Anyway, if you're like me, you have an instant dislike for anythign > resembling a beauty program, but in the end, I decided it was a great > program for them. As my friend said, referring to a contestant, "When she > started, she could barely stand in front of the ten other girls and talk > about herself, and she just sang the National Anthem in front of 500 > people." And overall, I was actually impressed with their ability to > speak and perform. > > --Michael, who will not appreciate any Humbert-Lolita jokes which > inevitably follow from him stating he was a judge in a junior miss > pageant. > > > http://www.filmatters.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 16:59:40 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Wacky Bike Action On Mon, 13 May 2002, Michael Mitton wrote: > I could keep this list busy for months with stories of drivers who go out > of their way to make things harder for bikers. Here's the worst: On five > different occasions, I've had oncoming cars swerve across the road toward > me and the driver open up their door so that I'm riding directly into their > door. A little game of chicken ensues--four times they closed their door > and went back to their own lane, once I ended up in a ditch wishing I'd got > the license plate. holy cow -- i've never had that one, not even once. my worst experiences have probably been being pelted with garbage/food, soda (cold, wet, sticky and surprisingly painful if the speed differential is big enough) and in one memorable instance some metal part about five inches in diameter. i was also pretty pissed when the pair of cars leaning on the horn to watch me jump as they passed were police cars. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 17:22:00 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] recent 'PUTER purchases, briefly Thought I'd mention, apropos of computers sorta, that I still have the following items for sale: One Kenwood DPC-361 portable CD player w/ 1-bit Dual D/A Converter, Bass Boost On, Batter Charger Function (NB-77 or NB-88 batteries only, not included). $25 obo. One Canon A-1 SLR 35mm camera, near-mint condition, featuring Five AE modes and manual override, exposure compensation, field-of-view-only viewfinder, wide metering range, digital TTL display shutter speed, aperture, flash, manual operation, bulb, improper exposure warning and malfunction warning. Package includes 35-70mm f2.5 Access Zoom/Macro lens, leather case and strap, instruction booklet, body cap, long shutter cable. $125 obo. One hard drive unit, Gateway Pentium Pro 200 with 64 MB Ram, 3 Hard Drives (2 Gig, 1.6 Gig and 1.6 Gig), 4 Meg Matrox Millennium video card, SCSI Caravan 4 Tape Drive, SCSI Iomega ZIP drive, Adaptec SCSI controller. $100 or best offer. Responses off-list, please. I'll throw in shipping and handling free, even for the hard drive. Unless of course you still want to talk me out of it, Andy You'd think Dionne Warwick's psychic friends (or perhaps even her cousin Whitney Houston) could have warned her about this. The Grammy-winning singer and former Psychic Friends Network pitchwoman was busted Sunday at Miami International Airport after security guards allegedly found 11 marijuana joints stuffed inside a silver lipstick case. In a bust eerily similar to Houston's airport run-in two years ago, Warwick was stopped by baggage screeners at about 7:30 a.m. while preparing to board a flight bound for Los Angeles. Miami-Dade police were called to the checkpoint after screeners reported something suspicious in her carry-on luggage. The 61-year-old entertainer was charged with possessing less than five grams of marijuana and was released after signing an affidavit promising to appear in court. Warwick, who was in South Florida to pick up a Lifetime Achievement Award from the American Red Cross, missed her original flight to Los Angeles, but she hopped on a later flight Sunday afternoon. Warwick has racked up five Grammys during her career, recording hits such as "Do You Know the Way to San Jose?", "Walk on By" and "That's What Friends Are For," not to mention hosting the '80s pop-music series Solid Gold and, most recently, hanging around with her pals in the Psychic Friends Network infomercials. Friends of the singer were already sticking up for her Sunday afternoon (that's what friends for, natch). Ruth Bowen, a theatrical agent and friend of Warwick, told the Miami Herald that the pot was "medicinal" to treat her glaucoma. "She's not a drug abuser," Bowen said. Her sister, Deedee Warwick, was equally surprised about the arrest. "I'm sure Dionne doesn't use drugs," she told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel. "I don't know how this occurred. I think someone put that on her. It wasn't true." Whatever the case, it's nearly identical to what happened with Warwick's cousin Whitney Houston, who was busted in January 2000 at Hawaii's Keahole-Kona International Airport after security guards searched her bag and allegedly found marijuana in two plastic baggies and three partially smoked joints. Houston eventually pleaded no contest to the charges and it was later wiped from her record after she agreed to pay several fines and submit to a substance-abuse assessment. [--from http://entertainment.msn.com/news/eonline/051302_warwick.asp ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 21:10:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Walker Subject: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else All you bands out there... >From: "Matthew MacQueen" >Date: Mon May 13, 2002 04:51:28 PM US/Eastern >To: "Bass [if Mojo was AM] (E-mail)" >Subject: (bass) FW: letter to a rock band from their label owner > >this is priceless > > -----Original Message----- > >from bob salerno to the waxwings (from detroit) >Dean, Kevin, Dom & Jim, > >Your "Record Release" show was an absolute embarrassment! Every single >aspect of that show was chump! I CANNOT fucking believe that you did >not take that show seriously!!! That was your RECORD RELEASE show! Let >me say that again . . . THAT WAS YOUR FUCKING RECORD RELEASE SHOW!!! >IN YOUR HOME FUCKING TOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >This was your FIRST show putting your new record on a platform! AND AT >HOME!!! > >Your set was flat out HORRIBLE! Unrehearsed and sloppy. How the fuck >can that show have not been so important??? You were an embarrassment >to me AND to yourselves! YOU HAD MONTHS TO MAKE THAT THE BEST FUCKIN >SHOW YOU HAVE EVER PLAYED!!! AND don't give me none of that >bulllllllshit about Jim's wrist. He could have been playing only the >kick drum and shaker during rehearsals. You had MONTHS to knock the >fuck out of the people at that show. Instead you perform like a >fuckin' half ass cover band! You play to ONLY 300 people at your home >town RECORD RELEASE show and 80% of them were at the bar in the back >by the end of your set, if in the building at all! AND this is ALSO >the VERY FIRST DAY any of your family, friends and fans can see your >record . . . and you ONLY SELL 30 COPIES????!!!!!!!!! What the fuck is >that!!!! Your set was so fuckin' bad, that only 30 out of 300 people >wanted to own your new record after what they just saw!!! I'd also >bet money that most of those people bought your cd BEFORE the show! > >Your set was not even close to tight! And you think you should be >getting the attention The White Stripes get?? What a fuckin' JOKE!!! >What you did that night was the furthest thing from Rock 'n Roll I >have EVER witnessed in ALL my years in this business!!! How you could >not take that show seriously absolutely baffles me! You want your >artistic freedom? Fine, then show me whatcha got and lay it the fuck >on me . . . instead I stood there DISGUSTED!!! This is the band I >spent over $200,000 on of MY MONEY?? When I ONLY had to spend >$20,000??? Not to mention the fuckin number of hours I have spent >mentoring you!!! > >Strike 1: Soundman! >You are having your RECORD RELEASE show in your HOME town! Did it ever >occur to you boys that MAYBE, JUST MAYBE it would be WISE to choose a >soundman that actually KNOWS your record??? The one that you just >finished??? He made you guys sound like SHIT!!! EVERY SINGLE thing was >EQ'd and mixed wrong! Starting with NO REVERB on any vocals!!! Any >fucking band that can sing with no reverb??? Not to mention, he made >your voices sound all wrong. Dom's vocal was EQ'd way too bright, >Dean's as usual sounded like mud, Kevin were you just mouthing the >words up there?? Then Dean, you are playing an amp that sounds like >shit! Your fuckin' AC30 is the ONLY amp you should play in my opinion! >Don't give me the fuckin' schematics of it either! Get the fuckin' >thing fixed! Kevin, your bass sounded undefined and muddy. Jim, if >everyone stopped playing but you, and I closed my eyes, I would have >guessed I was listening to Poison >in '87! The kick couldn't have been any boomier and the snare sounded >like fuckin' shotguns with a faint tickle of your symbols. Keyboards?? >Percussion?? You should be proud that you paid them $100 of YOUR money >just to be on stage, cause you sure as fuck couldn't hear 'em! How >many times have I warned you guys about soundmen? I even told you what >to say to them!!! You should have chosen the soundman and made triple >sure that he knew your new album inside and out!!! > >Strike 2: Mick Jagger wouldn't be hangin' out in the club before HIS >RECORD RELEASE show! >Make a fuckin' statement!!! Your faces should not have been seen for >ONE SECOND before you took that stage! Do you think the Rolling Stones >would be walkin' around minglin' in the crowd before their RECORD >RELEASE show?? Do you think Jack White would be caught dead in the >crowd before he takes the stage?? Bush leagues!!! Dean, you're just >fuckin' hangin' out by the fuckin' entrance before the show, AND >SOMETIMES ALONE! PATHETIC!!! A REAL Rock 'n Roll band would have been >backstage getting psyched up for the greatest show of their entire >lives!!! Then take the stage uniformly and immediately lay into the >set. Also noting that they would have informed the guy at the lights >to keep the stage pitch black until he hears the intro to the first >song! Then, what REAL Rock 'n Roll bands do is mingle AFTER the show, >listening to all the fans rave about them instead of making excuses! > >Strike 3: Nice Set! >If you want to play the whole record in it's entirety, fine, then >FUCKIN' PLAY US THE GOD DAMNED RECORD!!! Play us that record SO >FUCKIN' GOOD that EVERYONE buys one after the show! Not only does >everyone buy it, but they go home and tell 2 friends how fuckin' >amazing you were while feeling LUCKY to have a copy of album BEFORE it >comes out! Then the next time you play it fuckin' sells out. There IS >A FUCKIN' REASON why the White Stripes are exploding! Cause they are a >fuckin' great Rock 'n Roll band. They pay great attention to ALL of >these details! The shit doesn't just fall into their laps for free!!! >If you choose to play the record in sequence, then you should have >made that show sound as if they were listening to that record LIVE!!! >I would have made every aspect of the live set absolutely flawless, >even down to the horns!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, by the way Kevin, that was real >pro of you to use the word FUCK about 12 times in 3 sentences on that >pathetic thing you would have called an encore (which was undeserved I >might add!). 80% of the whole fuckin' crowd lost interest!!! Fuck man, >if you weren't my band I would have left! In fact, I fuckin' should >have walked out!! Great addition too bringing in 2 extra people that >look ABSOLUTELY BORED on stage!!! The fuckin' guy playing keyboards >even put his fuckin' head down DURING THE FUCKIN' SET!!! Oh by the >way, the guys at 89X and the Riff were really impressed with the show, >or I should say the 4 songs they actually stayed for! I sure the fuck >hope that writer who is planning the feature on you there didn't >witness that horseshit! If so, you can kiss that cover story goodbye . >. . I sure as shit hope that writer from MOJO wasn't there either! And >I bet Jack White just can't wait to ask you out on the road >now . . . > >Strike 4: Never admit you suck! >Dean, you actually apologized ON STAGE for being unrehearsed at your >own fucking RECORD RELEASE show!!! You apologized for >sucking!!!???????? That ain't Rock 'n Roll man! I'm quite >sure I wasn't the only one in the crowd thinking, if they are >unrehearsed for this show, when the fuck are they EVER gonna be?? > >Strike Umpteen: >It's your fuckin' RECORD RELEASE show!!! How bout some fuckin' self >promotion!!! Or are you guys above that?? Your attitude sure the fuck >points in that direction! Plas> ter flyers all over town, tell every >mother fuckin' person you know to come to your show cause you don't >want to miss this one! Build some fuckin' anticipation!!! YOU fuckin' >do it!!! You expect people to buy tons of your records when you >perform like that?? All Billy and I have heard for months is how you >can do it on your own . . . you DEMAND that you are making a statement >with your records. Yet you don't take the biggest show of your career >seriously??!!!! Who the fuck are you???? You have sold less than >10,000 records! Instead of gettin' fuckin' drunk every night hangin' >out in the scene, your asses should have been in your basement fucking >rehearsing!!! You have become completely lackadaisical in every aspect >of your career! You turn shit into me late . . . if ever, you cancel >PAYING gigs last minute and piss off the clubs that were there >supporting you from the beginning . . . You fuckin' have the balls to >play the poor pitiful routinecause you don't have any money, yet you >have the leisure to turn down money??!!! And don't be handin' me >anymore of that bullshit about Jim's wrist . . . figure it out . . . >or fuckin' have the courtesy to let the club know sooner! It wasn't >long ago that you guys were making fun of The Chamber Stings for doing >the absolute same shit!! It takes you 4 FUCKING MONTHS to finish the >master! While you give ME attitude, in the tone of a threat, that the >record has to be released in March! You don't fuckin' communicate with >anyone, let alone yourselves . . . Dean you just dropped off the face >of the fuckin' earth during the SET UP of your record!!! Then you guys >turn in fuckin' shitty photos last minute to me that will actually run >and be seen by others. AND I STILL am yet to see the negatives!! I >just got a call from Roe telling me that you guys told him to call me >about getting paid for the artwork. That shit >charging me. If so, I would not have agreed, and I would have had you >do it with my guy. I ain't gonna fuckin' pay him! > >This is the way you choose to represent yourselves??? You guys think >that you don't need me and can do it all yourselves . . . well, keep >it up and before you know it, you'll all be PERMANENTLY working schlep >jobs!!! > >THAT WAS NOT ROCK 'N ROLL!!!!!!! > >Aste Del a Vomit, >Bob >P.S. YOU BETTER NOT FUCKIN' EMBARRASS ME AND YOURSELVES AGAIN in MY >home town!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 22:49:03 -0400 From: "Francis J H Park" Subject: [loud-fans] NS: The Junior Miss Pageant and impressionable lieutenants John Sharples notes: | Jesus is bigger than the Beatles right now! I think there was a running joke somewhere that during 22 months of command, I, the flaming heathen, had to rate three lieutenants who took their religion seriously. I mean, reaaaaally seriously to the point of wearing little black WWJD wrist bands. I think the first time I ran into it was during graduate school when I was in class with a few members of the Promise Keepers organization. Being that I was in grad school (this was a part-time program back at Fort Hood) primarily to troll for semi-intellectual Army women (stop laughing), I found it bizarrely ironic. Since I met my wife in a group that centers on long distance cross-country running coupled with massive consumption of cheap beer, I guess that one didn't work out so well. In any event, it finally got to the point where I had to ask my new lieutenants if they drank (alcohol) at all. Three of them emphatically did not. One of them was my executive officer, who put on one of his maps "Shadow 5 - Jesus is Lord!" My map was marked "Shadow 666," a spoof of my old callsign Shadow 6. There were Grim Reapers stenciled onto the sides of our vehicles when I arrived, so the callsign fits. I think my bosses were a tad startled when someone asked me during our last trip to the National Training Center if I was a religious man and I retorted that I'd been an atheist for the last 15 years. But, I'd definitely have to say religion is a lot more fashionable than it used to be when I was a teenager. Of course, I don't think most of those people lived with rabidly Roman Catholic parents who sent me to 12 years of an Episcopal prep school, either. One thing's for sure. I resorted to reading my gunner's really skanky European porn magazines that he brought back from Belgium when I was stuck in a range tower having to listen to his gospel rock music. I don't read porn, let alone Hustler-grade European field manuals, but I'll make exceptions when someone the morality on a little on the thick side. Then again, I do have most of Ennis' and Dillon's 'Preacher' in graphic novel form. Francis J. H. Park http://home.sprintmail.com/~durandal - -- "To Graves Registration: As you bag me up, kiss my cold dead ass." - the third tag on my dog tag chain ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 22:04:15 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] NS: The Junior Miss Pageant and impressionable lieutenants At Monday 5/13/2002 10:49 PM -0400, Francis J H Park wrote: >Then again, I do have most of Ennis' and Dillon's 'Preacher' in graphic novel >form. It's available in another form? (Yeah, yeah, I know you're talking about the trade paperback reprints...) For as long as I live, I'll never forget Odin Quincannon (aka Ross Perot) and his MeatWoman. *Shudder* Cradle the balls, smear the cheese, pluck the hairs, SAY THE NAME, Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 23:22:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Wacky Dog Action On Mon, 13 May 2002, Michael Mitton wrote: > I could keep this list busy for months with stories of drivers who go out > of their way to make things harder for bikers. Here's the worst: On five > different occasions, I've had oncoming cars swerve across the road toward > me and the driver open up their door so that I'm riding directly into their > door. A little game of chicken ensues--four times they closed their door > and went back to their own lane, once I ended up in a ditch wishing I'd got > the license plate. While such behavior is, of course, indefensible, be it noted that The Self-Righteous Bicyclist is a wholly annoying creature. Two examples: To draw attention to their cause (energy-saving transportation such as bikes), Critical Mass will often intentionally gum up rush-hour traffic with as many bicyclists as it can muster. The point being, I suppose, that bicycles can create as annoying a traffic jam as combustion-engine - -bearing vehicles - and can do so on purpose. Sure way to win over those drivers, eh? And I wonder what those folks would say if their little rallies prevented an emergency vehicle from its most efficient passage? Good work, folks... Second: the individual SRB, in promotional mode: I was driving (fwiw, in a 1996 Toyota Tercel that gets 40 mpg freeway, 30-35 city) to work one morning, when I noticed one lane of traffic backed up, and many of its vehicles jumping into the other lane in that irritated way that's so recognizable... I assumed there was some sort of accident, or lane closure...but no: as I got further up the hill, I discovered the cause was an SRB - this time with billboards on front and back promoting biking to work - riding his bike *right down the freakin' middle of the traffic lane* (even though there was plenty of room to ride like a normal bicyclist nearer the curb) at his maximum speed - considerably slower than the 30-35 mph traffic travels on on that roadway. As I passed him, I rolled down my window and said something like, "Good idea - but ride near the curb so you don't block traffic." He, in full dudgeon, flipped me off and yelled something indistinguishable. (To be fair, my words probably weren't clear either.) Of course, you can point to any cause and find folks who agitate for it in dopey, counter-productive ways - and certainly it'd be better if more of us (who could do so, practically) biked to work. But these folks aren't helping. - --Jeff Jeffrey Norman, Posemodernist University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Dept. of Mumblish & Competitive Obliterature http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 23:24:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Don't screw up... or else On Mon, 13 May 2002, Dave Walker wrote: > All you bands out there... [long rant deleted] I'm curious what people in bands think of this...because sadly, minus the zillion exclamation marks and with the rhetorical volume muted a bit, the guy's comments applied to too many bands I've seen. There's a difference between egotistically over-trumpeting yourself and working to be the best band you can be - too many bands think slacking is the most rock'n'roll course of (in)action... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism:: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 23:13:28 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] NS: The Junior Miss Pageant and impressionable lieutenants At 10:49 PM -0400 5/13/02, Francis J H Park wrote: >John Sharples notes: > >| Jesus is bigger than the Beatles right now! > >I think there was a running joke somewhere that during 22 months of command, >I, the flaming heathen, had to rate three lieutenants who took their >religion seriously. I mean, reaaaaally seriously to the point of wearing >little black WWJD wrist bands. I'm a bit bemused as to how they could un-ironically wear those wrist bands and serve the Army in their capacity; it seems fairly obvious in the context of the Gospels that Jesus would not have signed on as an officer in a combat unit... No offense intended, Francis, to either you or your profession. Matt Processed World, the magazine with a bad attitude...Time, the bad magazine with an attitude. Processed World flyer ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #173 *******************************