From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #171 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Sunday, May 12 2002 Volume 02 : Number 171 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [loud-fans] Peeves and Posies ["Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett" ] RE: [loud-fans] Peeves and Posies ["Larry Tucker" ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Steve's Mix ["John Sharples" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Peeves and Posies Miles: > I've only seen Jon and Ken live twice, at Monsters of Pop > 2000 in their > acoustic guise, and last summer as part of Big Star, so I > can't really > comment on how the full-band Posies came across. But both gigs were > splendid. Phil and I caught the Ken & Jon acoustic show and the full blown electric Posies a bit later here in London a couple of years back - the acoustic show had them throwing back the tequilas like there was no tomorrow (probably wasn't for them...) but they held it together remarkably and although Jon's voice was pretty shot by the end, it was a great show. I seem to remember the support act didn't show so we had an extended set which didn't seem to bother them too much. The electric Posies show was a real curates egg, good in parts but too much messiness and crummy cover versions which fizzled out after a couple of verses. A bit like that character whose name escapes me, when they're good, they're very good and when they're bad... Anyway, I still think that Ken's TOUCHED is a superb record, has that quality which can reduce me to tears in the right mood, something like Matthew Sweet's IN REVERSE can. And, like Miles, I'm a big fan of FROSTING - the first four or five tracks are just an unbelievable run - the same kind of rush that PABARAT gives me. Ian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 03:43:05 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Peeves and Posies Frosting is probably my favorite. Dear 23 is a bit snoozy for me. I like them when crank up the distortion and rock out more. That's not to say I don't like some of the softer, slower ones, but too much of the soft, slow stuff and I start to tune them out. When I was in Seattle ('90-'91) people seemed to respect and admit to liking the Posies, despite their not fitting the "grunge" mold. They were jokingly nicknamed the Posers, but it was said in fun. Like the Young Fresh Fellows, they seemed to be regarded as doing well with their own style, so I don't think they threw in rock elements to "keep from getting beaten up" or even ridiculed. The scene out there was and is varied enough to accept a variety of styles. I didn't see them back then, but we saw their last show in Seattle as a full electric band, at Bumbershoot. It was very good and being outside on a warmish, windy night was a great atmosphere. We were standing at the side of the stage and I was captivated watching Joe Skyward play. That show was very energetic, like they were throwing their all into it, and Ken and Jon both tossed their guitars into the audience at the end. I don't remember there being a lot of banter or any musical self-overindulgence, and they did talk to the audience. Then I saw them, again, at Bumbershoot, with Big Star, and that was a wonderful show. Saw them yet again do their acoustic set at, you guessed it, Bumbershoot. Couldn't really see them. They played the tiny NW Court stage outside, and it was really packed. It sounded good, though. They did chat a lot at that one, but mostly including the audience in it. I didn't see the drinking thing in evidence at any of these shows, but perhaps that's because they were at Bumbershoot and not in a club. Also saw Ken with REM. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 09:44:21 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Peeves and Posies From: Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett they're very good and when they're bad... Anyway, I still think that Ken's TOUCHED is a superb record, has that quality which can reduce me to tears in the right mood, something like Matthew Sweet's IN REVERSE can. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I talked with Ken after the show in Raleigh about that album, which I also think is excellent and thanked him for playing "Sparrow" which was my favorite track. Ken said he really enjoyed staying in NC and what a pleasure it was recording with Mitch at the Fidelitorium, and that second to Seattle/Washington, NC was his favorite place to be. He said he spent many a day by himself just roaming the woods behind Mitch's house between sessions, often with Mitch's dog. I'm sure this helped account for the introspective stripped down character of the album. I can remember talking with Shalini last spring about those sessions and she commented on how much time Ken devoted to that album and very particular he was about every thing on it being just so. - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 11:02:24 -0400 From: Cyndy Patrick Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Peeves and Posies I'll concur with the consensus of drunk Posies being almost unwatchable. And, like many of you, I found Ken by himself to be wonderful. Last September, when he performed solo to an audience of about 20 in Boston, he insisted upon playing in the audience. When he jumped back on stage to play keyboards, he said he felt lonely, and invited the entire audience to join him on stage. They did. - -Cyndy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 13:29:24 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Steve's Mix Cardinal007@aol.com wrote: > I got yer Article Nine right here, tough guy! Strange. I had heard it was more like Article Four-and-a-Half. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 16:12:31 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Heaven in Raleigh On Fri, 10 May 2002, John Sharples wrote: > think what could have been their best album, > FROSTING ON THE BEATER, is ruined by the way over-distorted (but not in that > deep, warm pleasing way - rather, brittle and cheap) guitar sounds, that > sounded so awkwardly mismatched to the material. That song about English composer Tristram Carey is right good, though. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 23:39:44 EDT From: Cardinal007@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Posies posing?? In a message dated 5/10/02 23:24:19, schmutz@erols.com writes: >the >audience would have been much happier with a couple more good Posies songs >and goodnight, instead of the self-indulgence. The really strange thing >to >me was that it felt like, for want of a better description, planned >spontanaeity; and reading the stories on the list today it seems like it >might have been. Odd. I'm not surprised, and don't find it odd; "Replacements envy" rears its head in all kindsa places. Literate, thoughtful songwriters, esp. those w/ a Beatles jones or those who laboured over every second of every thought on every multi-ed track (like they're not the same thing) desperately wished they'd had the balls to get fucked up and just have a good time. Or be known as the sorta band that did. I, on the other hand, have Rickles envy ... ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #171 *******************************